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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I have been looking at the state of the Lakers, searching for something that could turn the season around. The fan side of my brain was thinking, if we trade Russ and our 1st for Wall, and maybe find an upgrade by trading THT without a 1st attached and then luck out in the buyout market, then maybe in the next 25 games we can build chemistry and do some damage in the playoffs. The pragmatic side of my brain says, get real fan boy, you’ve watched the competition, that ain’t happening.
My pragmatic brain has won the argument. I think we have the same chance to win a ring standing pat as we would with the realistic trades we could make. Slim to none.
So I would make sure that no stupid panic moves are made and hope for the best this summer.
Right now Westbrooks trade value couldn’t be lower. Does it make sense to use that first just to move him? That Rocket deal will probably be available in the summer. If we bite the bullet and stay with Russ, he could possibly play better and increase his trade value. If he does increase his value, maybe he opts out this summer because of the humiliation of this season and signs a longer deal with another team. Unlikely but Who knows? But replacing him now with Wall really isn’t going to do a thing to win this year.
Same goes for THT. His value is low at the moment, although he has looked good at times. He’s just 21. Could he become more consistent over the last part of the season? It’s possible. Again, his value probably can only go up. By the way, doing a deal for say, Terrance Ross isn’t going to win a ring. Let THT play out the season and see if his value can increase.
Our situation could even be worse next year. It will be difficult keeping Monk who has emerged as our 3rd best player and at Melo’s age, who knows what he will do. So we will be in the same boat next year, needing to find good players. Nunn is a good player. He has a player option and because of his injury, he may have to opt in for another year. Trade him now and that’s one more good player we will have to find.
Unless there is a player that would be valuable next year as well, I don’t think I would even use any of our 2nd rounders just for a run now.
Like I said, I don’t see any of the options available to us making any real impact on this season. Every move we make in the next 24 hours should be made with an eye on this summer.
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I agree. If there’s something beyond a lateral move for THT then certainly go for it but at this point the Lakers need to be a lot smarter than they’ve been since we won the Bubble title. I can’t think of a title winning team that abandoned the team that won or the principles that guided it’s creation so quickly.
Stand pat, take the lump, learn and improve.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Just sitting around wondering if we are ever going to come out with any energy. I knew the game was over somewhere early in the 2nd quarter. I nearly didn’t watch the 2nd half, but I wanted to see if we could find even a little bit of pride. We did in the 2nd half but of course there was just to much to over come.
While our 1st half defense sucked, bad offense fed some of that. LeBron took 5 shots. 4 from 3. As a matter of fact, most of the 1st quarter was chucking up 3’s. And over the course of the game our 16 turnovers led to 25 points. It’s hard to play shut down defense with that kind of sloppy offense.
If one looks at the stat lines, both LeBron and AD had decent stats lines but I don’t feel either had what could be good games for them. After beasting since his return, AD faded back into the wall paper until he came back, in the 4th. LeBron just wasn’t aggressive as he has been.
Russ didn’t play in the 4th quarter. That also coincided with our late comeback push. Enough said.
We did have 4 guys that played hard. Malik didn’t have a good night from 3 but like all good scorers he found other ways to score. Trevor looked old again but Stanley played with energy on both sides of the ball. Both THT and Austin both played good defense during that comeback attempt. Actually it was the young guys energy that fueled the 4th quarter run.
At this point even a huge trade probably would do no good. The energy, desire and urgency just isn’t there. It’s one thing to come out flat against a bad team like the Knicks, but if you can’t get up for the world champions, at home, you are in serious trouble and this season is as well.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I kind of feel sorry for Frank. He was given this roster and asked to turn it into a championship contender. The real culprits of course were Rob, LeBron and AD. It would have been a hard task to accomplish without all the injuries. With the injuries, a nearly impossible task.
Of course as we all know the Westbrook acquisition has been a disaster. First it was folly to believe that LeBron would hand the wheel over to another driver and let them run the show. LeBron will always be LeBron and will continue to do LeBron stuff until he hangs it up. What the team needed was a secondary ball handler who can score and can play well off the ball. DeRozen anyone? LeBron and AD talked with him as well. But to be fair, he was with the Spurs and we all know how much Pop loves the Lakers, so perhaps that prevented a deal from getting done.
In every post game interview we hear LeBron and others say they want Russ just to be Russ. I feel a little sorry for Russ as well because he can’t be Himself with LeBron, and this roster construction. I knew it probably wouldn’t work. No, I’m not some brilliant basketball mind. The entire basketball universe knew it wouldn’t work, except for LeBron, AD and Robb.
After the dust settled, what we had was a mishmash line up, with poorly fitting parts. Perhaps the front office had to much confidence in Frank and believed he could fashion a top ten defense out of this collection of misfit toys. Unfortunately Frank is not a miracle worker and with all of the injuries could only do so much.
So what is the solution? Trading Russ would be an answer but perhaps the only team would be Rockets. And it would cost us a 1st round pick. I’m not sure Rob will do that. Trading for Wall maybe a solid move but Wall hasn’t played and it would be a huge gamble. Besides Wall is a guard that also needs the ball in his hands to excel. Could he adjust better than Russ has? That’s the big question.
Short of a trade the ball is in Franks court now. I do believe he has managements approval to do whatever is needed to win. So Frank can begin by reducing Westbrooks minutes. He can do that in a number of ways, depending on match ups. Start him but pull him earlier for a rest, and put him back later. And don’t eat him finish unless his confidence is high and he is on a roll. The key here will be Nunn. Once he is back, he is the perfect secondary ball handler to pair with LeBron, he can both run the offense and play off the ball. He can score and most importantly he is a very good defender. Giving Nunn some of Russ’s minutes could help turn this season around. And if Nunn plays at a reasonable level, I would start him over Russ. Let Russ run the 2nd unit. Russ might actually excel against other 2nd units. I know it’s a bad look having a 44 mil player coming off the bench, but if it can lead to some wins, and playoff success, you have to do it. It’s all up to Frank.
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One of two things happened in the off-season with this Russ trade.
Either…
Rob made all these major foundational roster changes without any input from his head coach. That would be the height of stupidity if he did this without hearing a strategy from Frankie about how he could make this roster successful.Or…
Frankie WAS consulted, signed-off on it, and put forth a gameplan that has just been woefully inadequate. Whatever the case, it’s been a failure for everyone involved.My biggest misgivings about this whole thing from the start was that we brought in Russ and immediately assumed he could be convinced to just stop being RUSS. He’s just not at that point in his career where he’s gonna be easily able to do that. We point to Carmelo and how he’s changed his game but we gotta recognize that it took Melo actually being out of the league for a lil bit before he came to that realization. Russ is nowhere near that point yet. Maybe next year…but he’s just so headstrong and self-confident (which has made him a Hall of Famer btw) it’s not gonna be an easy transition.
Crazy as it sounds…this could be where we miss Earvin Johnson’s presence in the front office. And also Jason Kidd to some extent. Because who in that building has the gravitas, the rep, the respect, the freakin AURA to sit down with Russ man to man and have him take his words to heart? Frankie? Obviously no. Rob? He ain’t never played in the League. Jeannie? Kurt? Doubt it. Maybe Lebron, but that doesn’t seem to be the way he communicates with his teammates. And Russ looks at him as a peer…not an Idol.
Not sure what the solution is. And the biggest problem of all is that those in charge of fixing this mess are the same ones who created it in the first place….
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There’s no question that the silence we’ve heard from the Lakers’ front office since Pelinka took over from Magic has not been as harmonious and copacetic as advertised. More like no leaks.
The Vogel situation basically exposed the the false idea that the Lakers were an efficient organization making decisions by consensus with everybody committed to same goal and direction, with everybody on the same page, front office, coaching staff, superstars. Now we see there just as fucked up as ever. Just doing a better job keeping the shit in house.
As I write this, it strikes me that this type of organization, without strong leadership, is not what the Lakers need at critical moments like we’re in right now. This is when we miss having Dr. Buss making the decision rather than the current front office committee.
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I just find it extremely hard to believe that Frankie had no input whatsoever on what went down last summer. The storyline that this whole thing was just thrust upon him just doesn’t sound plausible. If it’s true, then we might be in even worse shape than we thought. And let’s be real about Rob. He didn’t get Lebron here…that was Magic (Lebron said so on The Shop when Earv abruptly stepped down). Rob didn’t get AD here either..that was Klutch. AD was forced to get out of his comfort zone and become the bad guy because Rob couldn’t seem to get a deal done. Whiffed on the Kyle Lowry thing as well. As for Frankie….when I think about it, has any player (past or current) heaped alotta praise on him since he’s been in LA? I think he’s a good guy and well respected around the league and in the locker room but that’s about it. I don’t think the players look at him as a difference-maker and that could be a problem….
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Excellebt post, Michael. I supported the Westbrook trade because I trusted LeBron to make this work but I think even he was unable, with the injuries, to get this to work. In retrospect, Russ was a poor fit, needs the ball too much, has poor ball security, poor shooting from everywhere, including the rim.
I’m all for addition by subtraction now but doubt the Lakers will make the necessary move, althougn it may depend on what they have available in trades come Thursday. I could see them getting a chance at Turner or Barnes or Gordon and deciding to use the pick for that rather than to move Russ. In that case, they keep Russ and bet that LeBron and AD and the new starter and less Russ will still be a championship formula.
However, if the musical chairs don’t materialize, the Lakers may decide that small deals to get more size and addition by subtraction via trading Russ to create minutes for new additions to play. Or, I guess, we could keep Russ and control his role so he doesn’t get clutch minutes unless he’s earning it. Don’t see that materializing into a playoff run unless we were also able to get some help via trading THT, Nunn, and the pick.
As for Nunn being the savior, I’ve had the same hopes at times, only to see them crushed by another report that he’s nowhere near playing. At this point, I’ll believe he’s playing when I see it. Otherwise, he’s still just trade bait for real players.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
The Cav’s just traded for LeVert from the Pacer. They sent a 1st in this years draft, 2 2nd’s and Rubio’s contract. Like I have said before, there are not many GM’s with the kind of job security it take to wait 5 years for a draft pick to hit.
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2 or 3 expiring contracts totaling 47 would be golden. One contract at 47 mil could be very problematic. Not sure there are many teams with 47 mil in deals that they want to shed.
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Only option would be Thunder if we had a couple extra picks. They could eat Russ’ contract just to get to league minimum salary so wouldn’t really cost them anything to do it.
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I don’t know all the ins and outs of trade and I understand dreaming with pipes. Would that Nets would give us Harden for Westy, 1st Pick, Nunn, THT and Reaves?
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Ah, there is nothing more entertaining then watching your favorite team come out with zero energy. Display no transition defense, spot the opponent 21 points in the first half, make a huge comeback, take control of the game, only to miss 6 out 7 free throws, have the game go into over time before finally pulling it out. Whew…must see TV, anyway a few thoughts.
The Knicks are not a good team. If we come out this way against the Bucks we will lose by 25.
Barrett had 36, a career night. I wonder if records are kept for players that have career nights against the Lakers. Seems like there is a new guy every game that has a career game against the Lakers.
I bet the Knicks are on the phone right now trying to work a trade for Russ to come and energize their team. 😂
Russ is not a good player right now. Russ deserved to be benched. When Nunn comes back would Frank dare to bring Russ off the bench? At least cut his minutes down until he works through whatever it is he is going through.Now the good. We may have a big 3. LeBron, AD and Monk were sensational. It was a great move starting Monk at the 2. This is 3rd star level play. We may miss his offense with the 2nd unit but it’s with proper rotations he can get some time with the 2nd unit.
Currently AD is the best center in the NBA. 28 points, 17 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 steals. If he can sustain this level of play we always have a chance.
LeBron isn’t human. Coming in after missing 5 games and dominates. He continues to amaze.
THT has taken a lot of heat lately. While he didn’t contribute much on offense, he played great defense and had a team high +22 to show for it. He was especially effective in OT.
Trevor, another player who had been maligned also stepped up nicely with some solid D. This is the 2nd game in a row that he has looked decent on D. Hopefully he is finally finding his legs and getting back into game shape.
The Lakers are now only 3 games out of the 6th spot, and 4 1/2 out of the 5th spot. There is still time to make a move out of the play in round. But if we don’t come out with the proper energy, it will be hard to achieve. Hopefully playing the Bucks will light a fire under them and we come out swinging.
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Aloha, Michael,
Great post and great job balancing the continuing issues with the things were the silver linings in last night’s big win. This game was an absolute microcosm of the Lakers’ season. They played maybe their worst half of the season followed by maybe their best half of the season, ignoring the last 2 minutes they choked. At any rate, some gems to be happy about.
1. Two stars for Frank Vogel. First, finally pulling Bradley out of the starting lineup and reducing his minutes and second, pulling Russ out of the lineup for OT, sending a clear message to Russ that subpar play, missing critical free-throws, and playing lackadaisical defense will not fly. I was screaming at the TV for Frank to bench Russ in OT and thank God, Frank actually did exactly that. Thank you, Frank.
2. Time to trade Russ. Frank made a huge gamble by replacing Russ with THT, who had the best plus/minus for regulation. If THT had not played well and the Lakers lost, it might have been Frank who was in trouble last night. But THT played excellent defense in OT and the Lakers dominated and finally looked like a team. Russ must go. Addition by Subtraction. Give up that first. Better now than waiting for summer.
3. The new Lakers Big Three. Everything we do this midseason and next summer has to be aimed at re-signing Malik Monk, who is clearly a better fit as the Lakers’ third start. Malik may not have Kyrie’s amazing handle, but he’s a legitimate three-level NBA scorer and the the Lakers top priority has to be moving Russ to they can keep Malik. Without Russ, Lakers can give Malik 3-years and $30M. If they keep Russ, Monk is gone.
4. Bubble LeBron and AD. If anything is critical to the Lakers’ chances of winning #18 this season, it’s having a healthy, thriving, and rested LeBron James and Anthony Davis. If we have that, we always will have a legitimate shot at winning everything. Lebron 29/13/10 and AD 28/17/3. When LeBron and AD play like that, the Lakers will be hard to beat
5. Kendrick Nunn point guard? Hoping the news that Nunn may soon be ready to play could be important. Nows the time to see if Nunn can be the difference maker we were hoping for and maybe a way to delute the negativity that seems hang over this team with Russ in the lineup. I like your idea of Russ coming off the bench if he can’t be a starter but think the Lakers need to cut the chord right now. Use the pick, addition by subtraction.
6. Everybody but Westbrook, Jordan, Bradley, and Johnson had positive plus/minus ratings for the game. Lakers need to somehow get another starter (Gordon, Turner, Williams?), hopefully by trading THT and the pick. Time to move Jordan, Bazemore, Howard, and Bradley and add players who still can impact the game and give us consistency.
7. Zero free throws for LeBron. The anti-Lakers refereeing has become prevalent. The league needs to do something about how LeBron is being disrespected by the zebras while guys like Harden and Embiid get 10 free throws per night regularly to pump up their points per game. LeBron attacks the rim more than any other player in the league and has the lowest free throw rate. Where is the justice here?
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Just now recovering from the Clippers loss. That was a hard one to take because it was a winnable game without LeBron. And we don’t have many more of those coming up.
The good news was we stormed back from 17 down. The bad news was we played inconsistent basketball yet again for 3 quarters and stunk up the place in the 3rd…again.
The good news was we held the Clippers to 17 in the 4th. The bad news was 7 of those points came in the last 50 seconds.
The good news was that Russ led that 4th quarter push. The bad news was he helped build that deficit through the first 3 quarters with only a couple of points and assists and his usual suspect defense.
The good news is we got a very good performance from our bench. We finally saw Trevor who was a plus 14 play the kind of defense we had hoped to see. The bad news is Melo went down with an injury, removing our best 2nd unit scoring option.
The good news is we shot 25 free throws to the Clippers 11. The bad news is we missed 8 and lost by 1.
The good news is AD played like the best center in the league again. The bad news is we waisted the effort with the same old mistakes that we repeat over and over again.
My glass half full spilled over a couple of weeks ago and it’s now bone dry. I don’t think we can make a big time trade and honestly I’m not sure if any of the big names on the trade market would translate into a championship. As for the buyout market, there hasn’t been a whisper of who might be available. There are just so many teams still in the hunt for a play in slot, that there may not be many vets that are bought out.
So can anything be done? I guess you can never say never. Of course nothing can happen without health. But beyond that health a few things need to happen.
I think it’s important to land one more player. I would look at Kenrich Williams. A vastly underpaid 3 and D guy that could bolster our SF rotation. And he’s under contract for another year that would be golden for a cap strapped team like the Lakers. The Pacers Holiday would be also a good addition. Another 3 and d guy that can defend both wing positions. Unfortunately he’s not vaccinated and I doubt anyone trades for him unless he does. Both guys can be had for draft picks and filler.
I look at Nunn as a major add to the rotation. He is ramping up again and with the all star break coming up I think he could be good to go down the stretch. I believe he was the guy that was going to be starting in Bradley’s spot before the injury. He will be an upgrade over Avery in every conceivable area. His return will be better than just about any realistic trade we can make.
THT and Austin both need to find more consistency. Both are young and will continue to make mistakes but it would be helpful if they can cut down on them. Both need more consistent offense. On defense it would be great if THT could become more like Austin in team defense schemes and it would be great if Austin to get a little bit more like THT on ball because quick guards blow by him a lot.
Trevor and Stanley. Trevor is simple. Show us that defense you showed against the Clippers. As for Stanley, raise your 3 point % to at least 35/36%. He maybe our best point of attack defender but he’s been wasted a bit at the 4 and 5 where he is a bit undersized. LeBron coming back allows Stanley to take on big wing and that’s what we need the most.
Can we find a small role for Wayne? We still need 3 point shooting and it’s asking a lot to sit him for 4 or 5 games then expect him to come in and hit shots. If not, trade him. He’s maybe the only one of our bench sitters that could bring at least a pick back. A lot of teams need shooting.
If we had a few more wins under our belts I would say, hold LeBron out until after the break but we are not in the position to do that. We will probably rest him today but it’s important that he’s back after that. Every single game is precious. As for the all star game, I wish he wouldn’t play but if he does I hope it’s just a token appearance.
The last piece of good news is the all star break will give this team some practice time. This is important considering we haven’t had anytime to do so with all of our players available. We won’t have a lot of games left to find a rhythm as team so the break will be extremely important.
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Good assessment, Michael. I’m hoping we can still trade THT and Nunn. I especially do not want to see Talen waste any more possessions. Add one player and he should be the current player to go out of the rotation. Can’t deliver at either end of the court. Should have been traded last year in another Pelinka brain fart.
The Lakers need to get creative and find a trading partner who can give them players to help right now. I have zero faith in THT or Nunn as players and think the absolute worst thing the Lakers could do right now is some version of stand pat. If they do that, they will miss the playoffs and handcuff themselves from upgrading the team this summer.
Moves made now to free up options this summer is maybe more important than making the playoffs right now. Lakers are screwed and have nobody to blame but themselves, especially if they leave themselves in this same dumb situation this summer.
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Why Nunn Tom? Looks like he is ready to come back. He was productive with the Heat, he was the talk of trading camp and was considered one of the steals of free agency. He could be as big of an addition as any realistic trade options available. He also will definitely replace Avery in the starting lineup at some point.
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LOL. One day, Nunn is worthless. The next day he’s your savior. I’ve always been tempted to keep Nunn because I tend to see him as a good fit for what we need. And there’s a good chance we might be able to keep him. However, I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him for more size and depth at small forward.
I feel the completely opposite about not trading THT. I woiuld trade him for the best we could get right now, even if that were only Muscala and Williams. All THT does is screw up every lineup Frank puts him in with his predictable poor shooting and defense. Guy almost never anticipates where his defender wants to go and has zero abiliity to stop or stay in front of his man.
He and Avery Bradley both need to go or Frank Vogel will play them until we lose in the playin or first or second round. They’re both players who do not belong in a championship team’s rotation. They’re why Frank Vogel should be fired tomorrow and Handy given the team.
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Again, words in my mouth. Lol. When have I ever once said Nunn is worthless? I said he isn’t going to get us a big name. He is a free agent this summer. And a package of him and THT can’t complete with some of the other packages. I’ve always maintained he’s a very good player and over and over and over have said he could be a big addition once he’s back.
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Nevertheless, Nunn alone is not going to bring back a player worth the TP MLE. Combine that with his injury status and he is considered to be the least valuable of our three trading chips. Your opinion from the beginning has been that none of our trading chips were valuable and it appears you may be right.
Since he is reportedly been upgraded to game time decision tonight, maybe we’ll see first hand. Lakers would be smart tonight to just rest LeBron and AD and let THT and Nunn and Russ start and hope they play so well the Knicks will want to trade for them.
Love to see Russ, Monk, LeBron, Johnson, and AD tonight but we all know Frank’s boyfriend AB will start again no matter how poorly he has played or how terrible his stats are for the season. By the time the deadline comes, THT will have played himself completely out of the Lakers’ rotation and become more untradeable than Russ.
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Tom you’ve been as much a proponent of Nunn and his ability to help grease a big trade as anyone, lol. Not trying to stir the pot but he’s been among the Calvary Lakers in print and on podcasts. I’m amazed he could just come out of the woodwork like this…feels odd to me. This whole season has rubbed me the wrong way from the summer to now though so I may not be the best one to have an unbiased viewpoint.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
The disaster of this season keeps rolling along when even some wins feel like losses. This is one of those games. Last night the Lakers wasted what was a solid defensive effort with our same old demons. We took a big lead and then rolled over in the 2nd quarter. 16 turnovers led to 24 Blazer points. We turned the blazers over 12 times for one point. Then there was 18 offensive rebounds we gave up. And in the spirit of keeping the game interesting we missed 7 free throws down the stretch that allowed the Blazers heartbeat to stay alive. Another game. Same issues. On a night when offense eluded most of our players it could have been another devastating loss. Against a better team, it would have been.
AD was a monster. 30 points 15 boards and 3 blocks. Even when healthy AD has been an enigma this year. He outplayed Embid and had this kind of game against another solid center. But there have been games where you hardly notice him. He has to be monster AD for the rest of the year for us to even have a chance.
Melo had another solid game. If it wasn’t for his offense it wouldn’t have mattered what AD did. But we don’t get this Melo constantly either. I’ve said before he has been either hot or cold we little in between. We we will need more of these games moving forward.
We have 3 more winnable games without LeBron coming up and 3 tough ones before the all star break. The Clippers and Knicks are the next 2. I’m not sure when LeBron will be back. It follows a pattern of no big deal, then he misses a month. We absolutely have to win those 3 and upset at least one of the Bucks, Warriors, Jazz. The Jazz have been falling so that might be the one. Although we gave the Bucks all they could handle last time without LeBron. I’m hoping the break will allow the team some practice time that they haven’t had. Also Nunn is ramping up his work outs, so it would be great to have him ready for the stretch run. If we can put together a winning streak down the stretch the 5th and 6th seed are not out of reach. But it will never happen with games like last night.
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Michael, I completely agree with you. Thank God we were able to squeak by with a win.
The game was not fun to watch. We shot the ball 42% from the field but that was deceiving as our shots were few and far in between. That is because we failed miserably to get points off of Blazers’ turnovers. One point out of 12 turnovers? That won’t cut it. Giving up that many offensive rebounds are just not good hustle.
I really like what I saw in AD last night. He completely took ownership of the game and was very aggressive. If only he could sustain that level of dominance for the rest of the season. We are going to need that if we are going to have a fighting chance. Great to see Melo do his part and I am liking his midrange shots a lot. I almost gave up on the team in the second and third quarters. We can’t play like that against good teams, not even against the Clippers who we facing tonight.
Thanks for the post.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
In the spirit of Tom’s trade hunting, I’ve come up a plan to land KD! Kidding but looking at team needs I have come up with a possibility. The Cav’s biggest need is shooting at the 2 and perhaps another secondary ball handler as well. We know that they have their sights set on Gordon and LeVert but so do other teams. If they fail to land a big name how about Ellington and THT for Cedi Osman. I would even throw in a 2nd rounder. Ellington gives them some 3 point shooting and THT gives another ball handler with play making ability. Gives us a 6’ 7” small forward who can defend a little and score a little as well. Since the Cav’s went with their jumbo line up, he’s been coming off the bench. He could actually start for the Lakers.
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They would probably have send maybe Ed Davis to as well. He’s only played in 15 games and only about 8 minutes a game. We could cut him or keeps him. He probably would be more useful than DJ.
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Aloha, MIchael,
The Lakers will find takers for THT and probably Nunn and the pick. It makes zero sense to keep him as he fills no needed role on the team and would be a DNP if and when Nunn comes back.
They may not get what I would hope for but there are many deals out there where the Lakers would be a better team as a result. Lakers are desperate so it will be interesting to see what they do.
I think Osman is a perfect example of player who would make sense for the Lakers but I still see those as backup moves that you consider once your higher priorities don’t come through.
Right now, it looks like anything big or small that’s going to happen is likely to happen right before the deadline. Unlike other trade deadlines, there doesn’t seem to be any one player or trade that’s the domino to open the flood gates.
I do think there will be lots of action, however, because they’re are so many more buyers.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
I seriously am not expecting the Lakers to be able to pull off a significant trade this season, primarily because THT is the center piece for any major trade. I personally believe that THT has real potential and he has flashed it from time to time. But his inconsistency is not that appealing right now for sure. But there is a secondary issues that’s not brought up by anyone on the blog. Okay, not brought up by Tom, since no one else thinks we can trade him for a star either 😂 THT has a player option for the 2023 season. Call it the Rich Paul effect. If THT does take a big step forward next year, can a rebuilding team that is several years away from contending keep him? Or would he walk to a win now organization? That is something that GM’s will consider. A 2027 1st rounder and a inconsistent player that can be gone in 2023, along with another player that hasn’t played and can walk this summer isn’t exactly a strong package.
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LOL. You do realize that there are 29 general managers out there and the chances that they all agree with your bottom feeder assessment of the value of THT, Nunn, and the 2027 pick are slim and none. Teams will tell themselves that THT is just a poor fit on the Lakers and they’re probably right. Teams will tell themselves, just as you yourself did, what a steal Nunn could be since he’s undervalued due to not having played. Predicting who is worth whom on the trade market is just speculation until the trade is finalized.
There’s reasons why players are on the trade market and there are always surprises and differences of opinion on what players are worth or who won a specific trade. It’s Pelinka’s job to find the right players to target and put together packages that have a shot a getting that player. Anybody who thinks its science is crazy. It’s more about the art of the deal. I think there a trades Rob can make that we win, come out even, and even lose but will result in the team being a better team. It’s all about the synergy of the pieces once the puzzle has been put together.
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Bottom line, Lakers will move THT because he is not a good fit on this team and moving him for whatever turns out to be the best we can is what is needed to be done right now. Keeping him would only exacerbate what’s already too many guards and not enough minutes.
Lakers need to move THT, Nunn, and the pick for the best starter they can get to go with their superstar big three. Keeping THT would only hurt the Lakers rotations. chances they would keep the pick or Nunn are much higher. Just no reason to keep THT.
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Lol. The consensus around the league, appears to be we don’t have a strong package. Even the writers like Pincus with strong inside information says that a trade is unlikely, even the ones he proposed, as examples. With little inventory and stronger packages available for every name player and the those players all being under contract so there is no urgency to trade them, a GM would be foolish to take our package. I mean why would a rebuilding team even want Nunn who can walk in the summer and is already 26? The Rockets are open to trading Wood because he’s 26 and doesn’t fit their time line. With so few players on the market and no chatter on buy out candidates the competition for the few guys out there will be fierce. The Rockets want a first for Kendrich Williams for goodness sake, and the Pacers want 2 firsts for Turner, because they may get it from a team desperate for size like the Hornets. Now Joe Ingles is done for the season so even more competition for any small forwards out there. We may be able to find a small deal, like a Holiday if he got vaccinated but something big just isn’t going to happen I’m afraid. I’ll gladly eat crow if it happens, will you if it doesn’t? Lol.
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LOL. Come on, Michael. You know I’ve never had a problem admitting I’m wrong just as I’ve never been afraid to go out on a limb and support a move one way or another. Anybody who would rather be right than the Lakers do better is not a true fan in my opinion.
My objective is always to look at options to make the Lakers a better team. Unlike others, I could care less what my right or wrong score was. My goal is to create out-of-the-box thinking and analysis of what the Lakers can do to get better, including changing their roster.
Additionally, as Blog publisher, my goal is to create a smartly curated version of Lakers news to give blog members and visitors a cohesive and intelligent review of what’s going on in the Lakers universe. Many of the trades I post are not trades that I would support. If a trade is raised and it makes any sense, I will post it and discuss it. It’s why I blog.
Finally, the trade market is highly volatile and subjective. It’s also very difficult to predict of project. That scares most bloggers from taking strong positions. Or from changing those positions as events and landscape change. I never take a position that my latest opinions are final. Everything is always up for review.
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The Lakers have shown interest in the Pacers Holiday a 6’ 6” 3 and D guy that play both wing positions. But I came across this.
Holiday is one of the many players the Pacers are believed to be shopping in trade, but his vaccination status could make a team (such as the Los Angeles Lakers) less inclined to make an offer.
One league source on a top-10 team guessed that Holiday might get vaccinated if he had a chance to join a contender. But a source close to Holiday acknowledged that vaccination status could be an impediment.
Would be a good add but not if won’t get vaccinated.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
After watching the issues we had with Ish and scary Terry, it was clear to me that LeBron and AD’s injuries were not the only ones that severely impacted this team. Now Austin is a promising young defender but it was painfully apparent that he doesn’t have the quickness to hang with players as quick as Ish. And it was folly believing that THT was going to come in and be a defender as good as Alex or THT. While THT has shown enough flashes of defensive ability, it’s rare for a 21 year old to become a defensive stalwart. That usually takes several years.
It’s easy to see, considering Russ is not much of defender that Nunn would have been playing the Bradley role on this team. Avery has taken a lot of heat from some, but we were lucky he fell into our lap, there was no plan B and without Avery, it could have been worse against some of the quick guards in the NBA. While Malik has some quickness and has shown some defensive improvement, at only 23 he also has a lot to learn.
So to me I think of Nunn as our secret weapon. It’s tough when you can’t defend the opposing point guard with your own point guard, but Thats our situation with Russ as our point guard. With our lack of trading chips, Nunn could be our best mid season acquisition. He is quick, a good defender and a 3 level scorer. I know we dangled him in the trade offer for Grant, which made sense but I doubt he’s been part of a package for a lesser player. I mean it would be disastrous to have a Westbrook/Buddy starting backcourt. It would be like a sieve that would make AD’s life miserable. It would also be a lot to ask of a 33 year old Eric Gordon to stay with guys like , Tre, Ja and Steph.
For us to even have a chance, it’s going to take more than just LeBron and AD being healthy, we are going to need Nunn as well. Hopefully he will be returning soon enough to find a rhythm before the play offs.
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Great post, Michael. I’ve found myself wondering if being injured might make Nunn not worth trading, in which case he could turn out to be a monster silver lining for the Lakers. Unlike THT, Nunn’s game is perfect for the small ball style we play and he would be perfect as out backup point guard.
In many ways, Monk is doing right now what we expected Nunn to do: score at all levels and defend physically and athletically. So I agree with you that Nunn could be our wild card.
By the same token, I think there are teams out there who see what Nunn could bring despite not yet playing or what THT could turn into on a team that had great shooting. Will come down to who needs to make a move, whom they pursue, and what they’re willing to offer to land him.
Lakers need two new starters next to the three superstars. Nunn or Monk should be one but the other starter should be a 3&D four or five to give our starting lineup another big and another shooter. We may end up having to settle for a shooting guard big enough to play the three but really need a true three, four, or five.
Watching Dwight play today, I’m leaning towards Myles Turner maybe being the perfect player for us to trade THT, Nunn, and the pick for. Russ, Monk, James, Davis, and Turner would be a killer starting lineup with LeBron or AD playing backup center depending on matchup. Turner may be easier to land than players like Grant or Barnes and would give us the ability to go superbig as well as small ball.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Russell Westbrook is the single most frustrating Laker I have ever followed. He helped bury us in the first and dug us out in the 2nd half. Then he puts up a 3 at the buzzer. The floor was spread and he took the 3.
🤷♂️It’s really hard to have any kind of rhythm as a team with the rotation shuffled all the time and it did hurt us, especially in the first quarter. So that’s why it was so fun to watch these guys battle when they could have given up.
It was great to see Bazemore hit some shots. For awhile he couldn’t make a layup. Hopefully this gives him a little of the confidence he clearly had lost back.
Austin had a nice bounce back game. He had trouble defending Ish but over all he was real solid. And it was good to see him finally hit a couple of 3’s.
There was some very questionable coaching moves, the biggest being going with DJ over Dwight. I think we win the game if Dwight starts. DJ’s 6 missed free throws killed us.
That blocking call on THT that resulted in a 3 point play have may have been one of the worst calls I have seen this year. It was even challenged. That turned out to be a huge bad call that may have cost us the game.
Ellington went 3 for 5 from 3. Hit his last 2 and never got another shot. This is a season long frustration for me. Our inability to look for our shooters. Steph Curry might only get five 3’s a game on this team.
One thing that won’t show up on the stat sheet. Stanley set great after great pick to free Russ. He might be the best at setting picks on the team.
It was a great team effort game. They kept knocking us down and we kept getting up.
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Thanks for the post, Michael. I haven’t had a chance to comment for a little while. But you made great observations on the game. True, Russ can be very frustrating to watch. But in my opinion, this is the kind of game he needs to finally unleash himself out of the slump he was in. Now he will be able to figure out how to make things happen without the burden of turnovers. Only one turnover tonight and six for the team as a whole. Russ finding his game can’t come at a better time and if he continues to perform like this going forward I like our chances when everyone gets back healthy.
You and I have always had the same opinion about Ellington. I have always felt the same way for a long time, and it was great to see him get a chance to play. I can’t say enough about Stanley Johnson. Where was this guy all these years? He is such a dependable guy I don’t even have words to describe his value to this team. Much is not being said of Melo but the man has a midrange shot that is proving to be extremely lethal and I am very pleased to see him using that to the fullest extent. Great games from Reaves, Bazemore, and all the bench players that came in and change the game completely from the starters, who looked confused for most of the first quarter.
And speaking of starters, why would DAJ start ahead of Dwight? Going 2/8 from the free-throw line was just plain bad. I don’t ever complain about him as most fans do but I have never seen him this bad. Could be due to him being out of the rotation for a while. As for Ariza, it is good to see that they are taking it slowly with him which could end up being beneficial to both him and the team.
The calls at the end of the game definitely helped tilt the outcome of the game to the Hornets. My overall feeling about the game is one of surprise. With our main rotation out, I was expecting a whopping but man, these young lions came to fight. I have said it the other day that sometimes a team is more dangerous without its stars, and you just don’t mess with a wounded lion. Did you remember the Pacers beating us and the next day they beat the Warriors, or whoever it was, without their starters?
I like this version of the Lakers who showed a lot heart, too bad we lost.
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Aloha, Michael,
Man, I feel you on Russell Westbrook. Much as I love how hard Russ plays. At the worst point in the first half, I screamed enough was enough. I could no longer support keeping Russ. The chaos and dysfunction is just too much to bear.
Then, of course, Russ turns it around 180 degrees and brings the Lakers all the way back with great play after great play. I must have screamed “Great pass, Russ” or “Great shot, Russ” over a dozen times. Might have been one of the best halves he ever played. And “F” anybody who complains about Russ taking that last shot. He earned it over a dozen times in the second half.
Would I have liked to have seen more shooters on the court? Just don’t understand why Frank doesn’t get the entire concept of spacing. You’re right about our 3-point shooting in that we don’t optimize or run plays to create threes and Frank often almost deliberately undermines his lineups by packing them with non-shooters. Far as I am concerned, the sooner we replace him with Phil Handy, the better our chances of winning will be this season.
As for starting DJ, I can only assume Dwight can’t handle back-to-backs. Either that or Frank Vogel’s boyfriend might have shared some information with DJ to get him another shot at starting. Watching him start was like having DJ stuck in our faces one last time just for revenge. I no longer want Frank Vogel to be the Lakers head coach. We cannot win with a coach who doesn’t understand the nuances of the modern game of baskertball or how to build a balanced and effective lineup or rotation.
The major problem right now is Vogel’s starting lineups are putting us in double digit deficits almost every game. The pattern is frustratingly simple. A starting lineup gives the other team a 20 point lead which the Lakers spend the entire game trying to overcome. The Hornets loss was a perfect example: lost by 3 after overcoming a 20-point first half deficit. As was the 76ers’ game, where we faded late after making up most of a 22-point lead. Same with the Heat, where we came back to lose by 6 in a game where we trailed by 26 in the first half.
The bad news is we lost those games because Vogel is terrible at putting together winning starting lineups. Even during the bubble championship season, the Lakers faced similar first half deficits with McGee starting. It’s like Frank wants to give every team an early lead. We need a coach who understands that you cannot start every game by giving the other team an early lead because of inept offensive lineups to start games.
The good news is the dysfunction created by Vogel’s resistence to playing small may finally have been ended with a commitment to play AD and LeBron as our centers. It’s also good news that the Lakers need to make major moves if they have any hope of competing for #18 this season. As you’ve pointed out, it’s going to be tough to to make major improvements due to our limited trading chips. The one thing we cannot do is stand pat. This team is not good or deep or big enough to win a ring this season unless they make a major trade for at least one new starter who is a high volume and high percentage 3-point shooter.
Finally, I also could not believe that was not an offensive foul. That’s two major calls that ended up screwing the Lakers’ chance to win a game. And people wonder why Lakers fans, who watched Shaq and Kobe get brutalized for years without help from the zebras get incredibly angry as they watch LeBron be disrespected so often despite attacking the rim relentlessly. Same with Russ. The refs clearly do not like the Lakers.
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Oh well, this should be interesting, AD, LeBron and Malik are all out today. What else is new.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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Last night was a battle between two of the best in the league and AD won the battle but the Lakers lost the war. This is the AD that we all hope to see going forward. On just AD’s second game back I was hoping he would just hold his own. I was elated to see him out play Embid, who was on a historic run. The most important aspect of AD’s night was his found jump shot. It had gone missing after he sustained that thumb injury, early in the season. Perhaps the time off gave his thumb time to properly heal as well.
The rest of the game went down hill from there. Despite his decent offensive night, Russ is just not a good fit for this team when we are in the half court. LeBron organizes the floor. And he finds the open man. May not always be the right guy but at least they are open. Russ does none of that. Our 3 point shooters struggled last night but part of that was because they didn’t have many clean looks. And the 3 assists that Russ managed is unacceptable with LeBron out. Malik was the guy setting up AD with 5 assists. Throw in Russ’s wild turns overs, whether it’s a very bad pass or dribbling into 3 defenders, it’s clear Russ is not the guy to carry the load with a star out.
Our defense was good enough to win this game. Considering the way Embid was playing, 26 on 9 for 20 was good effort. Harris had 23 but that wasn’t a back breaker. 105 over all was okay. Our offense just has to be better. Both Austin and THT are slumping which hurts. I would like to see Wayne get a little run every game. As a shooter, it’s just asking a lot of him to come in after not playing for long stretches of games and expect him to be sharp.I’ve seen enough from Malik and Melo that I’m not too concerned by an off night.
If there is any silver lining it’s that when I looked at this road trip I actually had at 2 and 2 at this point, thinking they would beat the Hornets and Hawks with AD back. But the Hornets are a good team and the Hawks are on a 5 game winning streak. Hopefully LeBron will be back, because it will be tough without him.
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Michael, double click the title of the article to go to the landing page.
Then click Edit Post at top and you can change or correct title or body.
That’s how I fixed it. You should have the ability to do that. Please check and confirm.You should also be able to edit comments by clicking the edit button.
Thanks.
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