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    Aloha,

    James Harden has proven again that he is not in anyway a big time player. He shrank yet again in the playoffs. 4 for 9 and 11 points. And just 2 shots in the entire second half. One can have a bad shooting game and not score but it’s criminal not to at least take the shots when your season is on the line. The stupid thing is someone will pay him a lot of money. He is up for an extension this summer. Will the 76ers max him out? If they do they are doomed.

    By the way, please, please, please no Doc Rivers Lakers. His coaching was as dismal as Hardens game.

    James Harden

    Aloha,

    James Harden has proven again that he is not in anyway a big time player. He shrank yet again in the playoffs. 4 for 9 and 11 points. And just 2 shots in the entire second half. One can have a bad shooting game and not score but it’s criminal not to at least take the shots when your season is on the line. The stupid thing is someone will pay him a lot of money. He is up for an extension this summer. Will the 76ers max him out? If they do they are doomed.

    By the way, please, please, please no Doc Rivers Lakers. His coaching was as dismal as Hardens game.

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    • You are absolutely right, Michael. I can’t believe what I saw in James Harden’s performance. I actually saw his regression coming in slow motion even before the playoffs started. But to fall back to earth in this fast and ugly manner is beyond my imagination. In many ways he looks slow, out of shape, and uninterested. Now to talk about a max deal? There is no way I would give him that.

      Embid needs help in a big way before he fades away into the sunset. Harden certainly can no longer be the one to count on that role and time and tide waits for no man if you are the Sixers. Who knows, Morey may get him a max deal as they are buddies.

      As for Doc Rivers, he just needs to retire. There doesn’t seem to be enough gas left in his tank after all these years of failures at playoff levels. I wouldn’t want him to coach the Lakers either. Hope I am not the only one with that opinion.

    • Other than enjoying some great basketball, we have to look for little blessings while we wait for next year like Harden imploding again in the playoffs and the Celtics blowing the series at home.

      And I don’t understand the fascination with Doc Rivers as the potential Lakers coach. If we’re going to have a bias in favor of former Lakers, we should also have a bias against anything that smells of Celtics.

      • Fortunately the 76ers announced that Doc will be back next year. That’s a relief. Lol

        • Great news, Michael. I could take almost anybody but Doc. Still think Lakers will end up with Quin but we’ll see. Kurt might be biggest worry right now. 😎

          • Agreed. Doc is washed up and needs to either straight retire or take some time away and get some R&R with the fam.

            Kurt hasn’t interviewed has he? Lord help us if he does because that’s the moment we can write off next season quicker than an accountant in March.

      • Celtics ain’t out yet…not going to celebrate early in the Sweet household, lol. Still, I don’t enjoy ‘misery loves company’ moments all that much. Would rather the team I like be playing to win rather than me rooting for teams I don’t like to lose.

      • Meanwhile, the Celts ain’t even giving us a 2nd thought. Doubt they even see us as rivals at this point. I mean…we’ve gotten outta the 1st round one time in the past decade.

    • James over Westbrook? I’d still go to battle with Russ. Two seasons ago I might have said differently…maybe…but I’ve never seen the dude play well when the moment demands it of him. He shrinks quicker than a Shrinky Dink in the oven. D-Mo unlikely to abandon his “basketball Jesus” (his words, not mine) so I don’t see them trading him when he opts in. Ain’t no “if” about that one. James needs to have extra dollars for the club he’s rehabbing his hamstring at.

      • This is what Presti said earlier before the playoffs,

        “Kevin Durant is a basketball god, James Harden’s a basketball genius and Russell Westbrook’s a basketball warrior,” said Presti.

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    Aloha

    Jokic just won the MVP, which I believe he deserves but it is somewhat frustrating for me. Between The Shaq years and the Pau years, Kobe had some of the most dominant years the league has ever seen. He was the undisputed best player in the world but didn’t win the MVP during that stretch. The logic was always, well his teams were not dominant. They weren’t very good. Well the Nuggets were not dominant, barely avoiding the play in game. While Jokic deserves the award, so did Kobe.

    The Joker wins MVP

    Aloha

    Jokic just won the MVP, which I believe he deserves but it is somewhat frustrating for me. Between The Shaq years and the Pau years, Kobe had some of the most dominant years the league has ever seen. He was the undisputed best player in the world but didn’t win the MVP during that stretch. The logic was always, well his teams were not dominant. They weren’t very good. Well the Nuggets were not dominant, barely avoiding the play in game. While Jokic deserves the award, so did Kobe.

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    • Valid argument since the Nuggets were not a great team.
      League needs to change title of award to Player of the Year.
      MVP just confuses voters. We have an award for the regular season and the finals but not for the entire year.

    • Yep, but Lil Stevie got his. I mean got one of Kobe’s and one of Shaq’s.

    • “The logic was always, well his teams were not dominant. They weren’t very good.”

      That’s where everything got screwed up. Seems like hard work don’t matter.

      Those years that Kobe missed out on the award were frustrating to me, and that’s why I don’t put any stock to it anymore. It has become a joke to me.

      You just have to be in the right circumstances at the right time to win.

    • The mvp of the season should be the player you’d pick first if you were building a team. The best in the league that year. The finals mvp is the big one though, and renders the other a consolation prize.

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    Aloha,

    If a team was every going to stretch a large contract it’s this one. If Russ gave up 5 mil in salary with the full MLE and Bi annual exception we could have up to 28 mil in spending power. Here are some names that I believe there salaries could fall to this year.

    6 to 10 mil guys.
    Malik tops my list because of all the 10 mil names he is the one guy I believe still has star potential. You could split the 10 mil between two decent guys but I would spend it on Malik. A few Other guys are.
    Chris Boucher PF Raptors
    Nurkic C Trailblazers
    Dennis Schroeder PG
    Bruce Brown G/F Nets
    Kyle Anderson PF Griz
    Tyrus Jones PG Griz

    Then there are the high risk high reward guys due to injury history. All these guys will probably be had for the 6 mil mini MLE or less
    TJ Warren SF Pacers
    Oladipo PG/SG Heat
    Thomas Bryant C Wizards
    Gary Harris SG
    Ricky Rubio PG (won’t be available until January at the earliest)
    I probably wouldn’t sign more than one of these guys.

    Other 6 mil and under guys

    Otto Porter Jr Combo forward Warriors
    Hartenstein C Clippers
    Damien Jones C Kings
    Bjelica C Warriors
    Muscala C
    That Young PF
    Delon Wright PG Hawks

    My favorite category is the next Malik. I think we should try and sign one guy to develop. These guys have all shown flashes but haven’t put it together yet.

    Kevin Knox SF 23 was a young player on a Thibs team. Which means little opportunities. He had moments with the Hawks but his qualifying offer is 9mil and the Hawks won’t do that. He could possibly fall all the way to vet min range.

    Jalen Smith PF 22 had his moments with the Suns and Pacer. Still he could actually be a bi annual candidate.
    Mo Bomba C. The number 2 overall pick played a little better after the trade but he will not get his 10 mil qualifying offer for sure.

    While Phil Handy has not been given an interview I would love to see him back to mentor these young guys.

    There are a lot of names out there and there will be a few solid players taking the Vet min. I’m interested in some of the other names out there that you guys are interested in. Try and stay at 10 mil or less guys. No Andre Ayton suggestions. lol

    More thoughts on stretching Russ

    Aloha,

    If a team was every going to stretch a large contract it’s this one. If Russ gave up 5 mil in salary with the full MLE and Bi annual exception we could have up to 28 mil in spending power. Here are some names that I believe there salaries could fall to this year.

    6 to 10 mil guys.
    Malik tops my list because of all the 10 mil names he is the one guy I believe still has star potential. You could split the 10 mil between two decent guys but I would spend it on Malik. A few Other guys are.
    Chris Boucher PF Raptors
    Nurkic C Trailblazers
    Dennis Schroeder PG
    Bruce Brown G/F Nets
    Kyle Anderson PF Griz
    Tyrus Jones PG Griz

    Then there are the high risk high reward guys due to injury history. All these guys will probably be had for the 6 mil mini MLE or less
    TJ Warren SF Pacers
    Oladipo PG/SG Heat
    Thomas Bryant C Wizards
    Gary Harris SG
    Ricky Rubio PG (won’t be available until January at the earliest)
    I probably wouldn’t sign more than one of these guys.

    Other 6 mil and under guys

    Otto Porter Jr Combo forward Warriors
    Hartenstein C Clippers
    Damien Jones C Kings
    Bjelica C Warriors
    Muscala C
    That Young PF
    Delon Wright PG Hawks

    My favorite category is the next Malik. I think we should try and sign one guy to develop. These guys have all shown flashes but haven’t put it together yet.

    Kevin Knox SF 23 was a young player on a Thibs team. Which means little opportunities. He had moments with the Hawks but his qualifying offer is 9mil and the Hawks won’t do that. He could possibly fall all the way to vet min range.

    Jalen Smith PF 22 had his moments with the Suns and Pacer. Still he could actually be a bi annual candidate.
    Mo Bomba C. The number 2 overall pick played a little better after the trade but he will not get his 10 mil qualifying offer for sure.

    While Phil Handy has not been given an interview I would love to see him back to mentor these young guys.

    There are a lot of names out there and there will be a few solid players taking the Vet min. I’m interested in some of the other names out there that you guys are interested in. Try and stay at 10 mil or less guys. No Andre Ayton suggestions. lol

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    • One thing I haven’t seen mentioned about Monk is that he’s proven that he can thrive while playing with this version of Lebron. That’s not an easy feat and it’s partly what made losing Caruso so painful. You HAVE to have guys who know how to get in where they fit in and Monk was particularly adept at it. That fact alone makes him very valuable and less of a risk than bringing in a new guy who may or may not be able to adapt to Lebron. It ain’t for everyone… Perfect example were the dudes who surrounded Kobe on those back-to-back teams. Pau, LO, D-Fish, Metta/Ariza, Drew….they weren’t nearly the best players in the league but they knew what was needed to mesh with Kobe. That’s half the battle when playing with some of these transcendent mega-stars.

      • I agree. And Monk did it with little effort on a Franks part to utilize his skills and expand his role some. A smart coach will see a guy that can get you 18 to 20 a night. Not the greatest defender, but he try’s which is what you need to see.

    • Aloha, Michael,

      “If a team was every going to stretch a large contract it’s this one. If Russ gave up 5 mil in salary with the full MLE and Bi annual exception we could have up to 28 mil in spending power. Here are some names that I believe there salaries could fall to this year.”

      Wish that were true as that’s a pretty good list of free agents. Unfortunately, buying out Russ for $42M and then only taking a $14M hit to the salary cap does not open up $28M in money to spend. It just spreads the $42M over three years.

      Waiving and stretching Russ is not going to create any cap space for free agents. We would still be over the cap even if we renounced Reaves, Johnson, and Gabriel. The only money we will have for free agents will be our $6.4M MLE. If we hardcap ourselves, we could then have the full $10M MLE and $4M BAE, which is 8M more than without hard cap.

      I do agree with you that it makes sense to hard cap ourselves so we can get an additional $8M to spend on free agents. That could be a big difference maker for this roster. Hard cap is almost a necessity.

      Here’s a breakdown on what the Lakers would have available in the form of cap space were they to waive and stretch Russ.

      Please let me know if I have any of the numbers incorrect. Easy to make mistakes with this salary cap stuff.

      Russ makes $47,063,478 if he declines his player option. Taking away $5,000,000 million for buyout would leave $42,063,478, which would then cost the Lakers $14,021,159.33 in dead money per year for three years.

      Here’s our salary cap situation

      Russell Westbrook: $14,021,159
      1. LeBron James: $44,474,988
      2. Anthony Davis: $37,980,720
      3. Talen Horton-Tucker: $10,260,000
      4. Kendrick Nunn: $5,250,000

      Total Guaranteed: $111,986,867

      5. Stanley Johnson: $2,351,521
      6. Wenyen Gabriel: $1,878,720
      7. Austin Reaves: $1,563,518

      Total Not Guaranteed: $5,793,759

      8. Rookie Minimum $1,004,159
      9. Rookie Minimum $1,004,159
      10. Rookie Minimum $1,004,159
      11. Rookie Minimum $1,004,159
      12. Rookie Minimum $1,004,159

      Cap Holds to 12 Roster Spots: $5,020,795

      Total Salaries: $122,801,421
      Salary Cap: $122,000,000

      Lakers will be over the salary cap by $2,801,421

      They could save $2,781,282 by not guaranteeing Johnson, Gabriel, and Reaves, but that would still leave them $20,139 over the salary cap.

      • Which is why if Jeannie had any backbone, she would’ve insisted on not just a single amnesty clause, but as many as a team wants during cba negotiations. The fact that bad contracts have no viable remedy is a blight on the league.

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    Aloha,

    While everyone would love to see a Westbrook trade that would bring back a couple of decent players, there is no guarantee that a trade will materialize. You look at all the teams that might want to shed salary, there is reason to believe they could shed those contracts without having to eat to Westbrooks huge contract. A lot of those players maybe useful to other teams.

    So what should the Lakers do if a trade does not materialize? Everything I’ve read so far doesn’t close the door on a waive and stretch. Now Russ probably won’t leave a lot of money on the table unless his agent finds a deal, but at least for now, that doesn’t look likely. But just to get out of the Lakers would he be willing to give up say 5 mil? If so this will be the best year in the next few to have money to spend. Money will be near historically tight this summer. The wave and stretch would give us about 13 mil in cap space. Plus we would have the full 10.2 MLE and the 4 mil bi annual to spend. That’s 27 mil and this year that could be huge. It is conceivable we could actually come away with a better, deeper group then some of these trades. The added bonus of course we would maintain our trade assets. Now it will be hard to become a contender but we could easily be a much better group.

    The Stretch

    Aloha,

    While everyone would love to see a Westbrook trade that would bring back a couple of decent players, there is no guarantee that a trade will materialize. You look at all the teams that might want to shed salary, there is reason to believe they could shed those contracts without having to eat to Westbrooks huge contract. A lot of those players maybe useful to other teams.

    So what should the Lakers do if a trade does not materialize? Everything I’ve read so far doesn’t close the door on a waive and stretch. Now Russ probably won’t leave a lot of money on the table unless his agent finds a deal, but at least for now, that doesn’t look likely. But just to get out of the Lakers would he be willing to give up say 5 mil? If so this will be the best year in the next few to have money to spend. Money will be near historically tight this summer. The wave and stretch would give us about 13 mil in cap space. Plus we would have the full 10.2 MLE and the 4 mil bi annual to spend. That’s 27 mil and this year that could be huge. It is conceivable we could actually come away with a better, deeper group then some of these trades. The added bonus of course we would maintain our trade assets. Now it will be hard to become a contender but we could easily be a much better group.

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    Aloha,

    Evidently Phil Jackson is fully engaged along with Kurt in the Lakers head coaching search. While Phil was one of the greatest coaches of all time, he was also one of the Greatest flops as a GM. Ya, we’re doomed.

    Triangle anyone?

    Aloha,

    Evidently Phil Jackson is fully engaged along with Kurt in the Lakers head coaching search. While Phil was one of the greatest coaches of all time, he was also one of the Greatest flops as a GM. Ya, we’re doomed.

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    • This is why I continue to ask…why would a top-notch coach want to walk into this mess? If we can all see it as fans from the outside then you gotta wonder what’s being said inside among the coaching fraternity? The culture here is borderline toxic right now.

      • The answer, which will differ among players and coaches, is they’re the Los Angeles Lakers, the most profitable and second most valuable franchise in the league with 17 NBA championships and two top-five players.

        There’s a belief you’re not the best until you do it in the toughest or biggest markets. For basketball, that’s the Lakers. We’ve been able to win despite not being run by the sharpest tools in the shed. So far that is.

        Are their some players or coaches who don’t want to play for or coach the Lakers? Certainly but that is balanced by others who embrace the challenge of winning on the biggest and baddest stage. Lakers, Yankees! It can be a blessing or a curse. Stern would never have voided a trade for the Celtics or Knicks.

        • Probably have to continue maybe winning with tools of a lesser sharpness at this point…

        • I’m guessing guys like Pop, Jerry Sloan, Chuck Daly Steve Kerr, & even Erik Spoelstra would beg to differ (all members of the Top 15 All Time and from smaller markets). This ain’t the Lakers of Dr. Buss, Jerry West, & Riles and they haven’t been for some time now. We’ve been to the playoffs 3 times in the last decade and advanced past the 1st round only once (in the Bogus Bubble Covid Cup exhibition tournament). Who’s the great coach who felt the need to leave their current situation to “prove themselves” here? It wasn’t Phil…he was already out of coaching before he came here the 1st time. Matter of fact…outside of Phil, what top coach was ever drawn here? The list of guys who said “no” is probably far more distinguished. Time for folks to wake up and see this job for what it really is….

          • I believe The everyone wants to be a Laker is something perpetuated by the franchise. After we landed Shaq as a free agent we couldn’t get another star free agent to come until LeBron, 20 years later. And after LeBron arrived we couldn’t land another star free agent even though we had the cap space. There is a lot more that goes into a free agents decision then just the teams legacy.

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    Aloha,

    There are two reasons why trading Russ will be harder and likely more expensive.

    1. Internal Laker leaks reporting the tension between Russ and the coaching staff.

    2. Westbrooks own big mouth.

    Everyone in the NBA, with the exception of apparently the Lakers, knew that Russ was a poor fit for LeBron and Franks system. If it was left at that there might have been GM’s that could think that their system and players would be a better fit.

    Instead you have Laker insiders reporting of the classes with the coaching staff and Russ. They painted a picture of a player that was un-coachable. Exactly what purpose does that serve? You can always tell when an organization is toxic and dysfunctional because of all these leaks. One thing about Mitch, there never was these kind of reports coming out.

    Then Russ goes off on an unhinged toxic exit interview. Many of the reporters wrote that they had never seen anything like it before.

    Russ still has skills and could probably help the right team but no GM wants to bring a malcontent into their organization. The Lakers will pay for this and so will Russ, when it’s time for his next contract. .

    Two reasons

    Aloha,

    There are two reasons why trading Russ will be harder and likely more expensive.

    1. Internal Laker leaks reporting the tension between Russ and the coaching staff.

    2. Westbrooks own big mouth.

    Everyone in the NBA, with the exception of apparently the Lakers, knew that Russ was a poor fit for LeBron and Franks system. If it was left at that there might have been GM’s that could think that their system and players would be a better fit.

    Instead you have Laker insiders reporting of the classes with the coaching staff and Russ. They painted a picture of a player that was un-coachable. Exactly what purpose does that serve? You can always tell when an organization is toxic and dysfunctional because of all these leaks. One thing about Mitch, there never was these kind of reports coming out.

    Then Russ goes off on an unhinged toxic exit interview. Many of the reporters wrote that they had never seen anything like it before.

    Russ still has skills and could probably help the right team but no GM wants to bring a malcontent into their organization. The Lakers will pay for this and so will Russ, when it’s time for his next contract. .

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    • Good post, Michael. There’s no question that the Lakers’ ownership, front office, and coaching staff have made a lot of poor decisions the past two years that should make any player or coach thinking about joining the team have second thoughts.

      We’re just fortunate that we have such an illustrious legacy, history, market, and fanbase that we can often overcome our own misfortunes to win regardless. Truth is we’ve left championships on the table because of incompetence.

      Will that apply to teams looking to trade for Russell Westbrook? For those teams who might be thinking Russ they might be able to get a good year out of Russ, hope they didn’t see Russ this past season or hear his exit comments. Russ hasn’t helped his case. He’s essentially closed the door on returning to the Lakers, which other teams cleary see and note.

      Fortunately, most of the teams who will be interested in trading for Russ are doing so as a financial transaction and plan on buying Russ out or flipping him at the trade deadline. None of the teams the Lakers are likely to trade Russ to – Pacers, Hornets, Knicks, Thunder, Pistons, and Rockets – are trading for Russ the player. They’re trading for Russ the expiring contract.

      I’m more worried about how the Lakers dysfunction could adversely affect the coaching search or recruiting free agents with our MLE or, if we hard cap, our BAE. Those are the places where our incompetence can negatively impact us.

    • SHHHHHHH! We tryin to trade him, ha, ha.

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    Aloha,

    Of course the big topic of conversation is going to be trades going forward. There are a nauseating number of trade scenarios with the same players involved. One doesn’t know what will happen moving forward but when examining the usual suspects I can’t see trades alone as catapulting the Lakers into contention. If we had to give up picks to make these trades work, I would almost rather take the OKC option and send Russ there. We could waive and stretch Favors and maybe land a solid 3 and D wing in Kenrich Williams. That would leave us with around 20 mil in cap space plus the full MLE and the bi annual exception. We could retain Malik and still add someone like TJ Warren or Porter Jr, and have money left over to fill out the roster.

    All of these other trades alone will not be enough. Even the OKC deal I mentioned won’t be enough. There is a lot of talk about turning THT and Nunn into a quality player. The problem is team control. Rob bowed to Klutch when he gave THT a player option in the 3rd year of his contract. So in essence he can be a free agent after this year. And Nunn will be a free agent with only early bird rights. So how much will another team be willing to give up? Yes THT has shown promise but if he has a great year he could be gone. So I’m not holding my breath.

    But let’s say we do land one of these trade packages for Russ. I think a lot of other things would need to happen for us to contend. First, all of these young players we have under contract would need to take serious growth spurts, including THT if we keep him which at this point is at least even odds that we do. Nunn assuming he is here again even odds, will have to be healthy and realize the promise he showed in camp last fall.

    Then there needs to be luck. Rob really needs to do a better job with free agents. With tight money this summer, quality may trickle down. We need to hit a home run with the mini MLE. Whether it’s keeping a Malik or a quality player slipping through the cracks we need a big score there. Then we need a big surprise like Malik was. Could that be a guy like a Kevin Knox? Like Malik, he has flashed potential but not enough for the Hawks to retain him. I expect he will hit free agency. I would like Rob to gamble on at least one roster spot. It would also be great to find a 2 way guy with Promise like Austin.

    It will be an interesting summer for sure but it will take a lot more than trades and good health for this team to rise to serious contenders.

    More than trades

    Aloha,

    Of course the big topic of conversation is going to be trades going forward. There are a nauseating number of trade scenarios with the same players involved. One doesn’t know what will happen moving forward but when examining the usual suspects I can’t see trades alone as catapulting the Lakers into contention. If we had to give up picks to make these trades work, I would almost rather take the OKC option and send Russ there. We could waive and stretch Favors and maybe land a solid 3 and D wing in Kenrich Williams. That would leave us with around 20 mil in cap space plus the full MLE and the bi annual exception. We could retain Malik and still add someone like TJ Warren or Porter Jr, and have money left over to fill out the roster.

    All of these other trades alone will not be enough. Even the OKC deal I mentioned won’t be enough. There is a lot of talk about turning THT and Nunn into a quality player. The problem is team control. Rob bowed to Klutch when he gave THT a player option in the 3rd year of his contract. So in essence he can be a free agent after this year. And Nunn will be a free agent with only early bird rights. So how much will another team be willing to give up? Yes THT has shown promise but if he has a great year he could be gone. So I’m not holding my breath.

    But let’s say we do land one of these trade packages for Russ. I think a lot of other things would need to happen for us to contend. First, all of these young players we have under contract would need to take serious growth spurts, including THT if we keep him which at this point is at least even odds that we do. Nunn assuming he is here again even odds, will have to be healthy and realize the promise he showed in camp last fall.

    Then there needs to be luck. Rob really needs to do a better job with free agents. With tight money this summer, quality may trickle down. We need to hit a home run with the mini MLE. Whether it’s keeping a Malik or a quality player slipping through the cracks we need a big score there. Then we need a big surprise like Malik was. Could that be a guy like a Kevin Knox? Like Malik, he has flashed potential but not enough for the Hawks to retain him. I expect he will hit free agency. I would like Rob to gamble on at least one roster spot. It would also be great to find a 2 way guy with Promise like Austin.

    It will be an interesting summer for sure but it will take a lot more than trades and good health for this team to rise to serious contenders.

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    • Aloha, Michael,

      Execellent post and point about this summer. I agree 100% that the Lakers are going to need more than trades to contend next season. Frankly, they’re going to need a perfect storm of smart decisions, right players, good health, and lucky bounces like we had in the bubble to win it all. Not that that isn’t always a major but looking at the way the Lakers are going and the way the league is going, next year could be our best shot in this decade to win another title. And we’re going to be top ten candidate at best based on last year and our current situation.

      But enough for reality. There’s no question the Lakers will have chances to move Russ. We’ll have to be lucky with the musical chairs but hopefully we’ll get a deal for Russ. I think if we can trade Russ for Hield and Brogdon, that could be the big move and maybe without a pick. There’s a part of me that also thinks looking for a sign-and-trade could open up chances to use the full MLE and BAE, which could get us two better rotation players.

      Anyway, I’d feel a lot more comfortable if we had somebody other than Rob making the decisions and better contributors than Jeanie, Kurt, and Linda chiming in but it is what it is. Rob just needs to make smart moves. Hopefully, we’ll get dealt four aces and Rob will understand now is the time to go all in.

    • Great analysis, Michael. I like the suggestions, but I can only hope Rob works his magic and get us a roster next season.

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    Aloha

    I’m stepping down as an editor for this blog. I’m really tired of the insults. Being a used of having a boy toy affair by Tom just because I have a high opinion of Malik Monk was just too much. Aloha.

    Stepping down

    Aloha

    I’m stepping down as an editor for this blog. I’m really tired of the insults. Being a used of having a boy toy affair by Tom just because I have a high opinion of Malik Monk was just too much. Aloha.

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    • Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Please rethink! LT blasted me once and I told him and he apologized. We all get a little off balance. Hope you stay!

    • Man, this can’t be real. Where did this all begin and where will it end? Seems like a total confusion to me. I am completely blindsided.

      This blog has been one of the most regarded and respected blogs for the Lakers nation, and everything Lakers, as evidenced by a poll posted here last year where the blog ranked 4th among the top 10 if my memory serves me.

      While I would like to express my appreciation for both of you I am also concerned about the bickering. Disagreement exists in all facets of life but disagreements don’t have to have a negative ending! Dealing with or overcoming disagreement together can make us stronger.

      We must accept that our perspectives can be different but not wrong. And even if those perspectives are thought to be wrong, let’s just remain calm and seek commonalities that lead to a win-win situation.

      We must have a forward-looking focus on making the blog a better hang-out spot and just let the dead bury the dead.

      Let us all chill and calm down.

    • I’m sorry to hear this Michael, I must have missed that exchange but know that Sean also felt. Tom can have a heavy-handed way of enforcing his points and ideas without allowing for many other viewpoints to be seen in the same light. I don’t think he intends for some of those things to come off as being insulting but they do. Sean had a similar issue in a podcast , which I personally believe he took too far but also who am I to say how another person should feel or think? At any rate I do how you reconsider or at the very least continue to pop by from time to time. Regardless of the choice you make keep on enjoying life, be well and go Lakers.

    • I have apologized to Michael for my hurtful comment and have asked him to reconsider remaining as Blog Editor. I also explained that I never intended to accuse him of any sexual connection with Malik Monk and should have not used the words I did. I was trying to say he was just infatuated with a great young Lakers player much like I was with THT and then also with Monk. At any rate, my apologies for this happening. It’s my fault and I accept responsibility and will try hard not to allow it to happen again. I do hope Michael will accept my apology and reconsider. If not, my best wishes to him and he will always be welcome to return. Thanks.

      • Great step, Tom. I hope this will help clear the air. I am glad you reached out. I felt like something unintended happened, and you and Michael have good rapport with each other. Let’s hope Michael lets it go.

        • I accept your apology Tom. One can strongly disagree with another but I just believe that the blog should be free of name calling and personal attacks. I feel this can result in greater participation amongst those in that visit the blog.

          • Very true, Michael. I agree with your statement. You accepting Tom’s apology is truly admirable and goes to show we all can move past our differences. Always remember you are a pillar and a reasonable voice on this blog. Looking forward to more of your posts.

            • You are more than welcome, Michael. I hope the weather in Hawaii is treating you well. We’ve been having great weather here in Atlanta. It looks gorgeous and pleasant. We are bracing for a rainy week next week, starting Sunday.

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    Aloha,

    I was thinking about LeBron and his extension. He has stated that he won’t take less then a max salary. If that’s true he needs to either sign an extension this off season, sign a new contract after next season with the Lakers or ask for a trade this summer. There will not be a team with the kind of cap space it would require to sign him to a max contract in free agency. And at close to 50 mil I doubt a team would want to do a sign and trade that would hard cap them.

    From the Lakers stand point of course they will try to sign him. But the question remains, should they? Even if both AD and LeBron had relatively healthy seasons, it’s hard to see a path to becoming true contenders with any of the Westbrook trade scenarios. The Lakers really need to be careful this summer or the could screw the franchise for years to come.

    Lebron’s extension

    Aloha,

    I was thinking about LeBron and his extension. He has stated that he won’t take less then a max salary. If that’s true he needs to either sign an extension this off season, sign a new contract after next season with the Lakers or ask for a trade this summer. There will not be a team with the kind of cap space it would require to sign him to a max contract in free agency. And at close to 50 mil I doubt a team would want to do a sign and trade that would hard cap them.

    From the Lakers stand point of course they will try to sign him. But the question remains, should they? Even if both AD and LeBron had relatively healthy seasons, it’s hard to see a path to becoming true contenders with any of the Westbrook trade scenarios. The Lakers really need to be careful this summer or the could screw the franchise for years to come.

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    • The assumption is that the Buss family’s ultimate goal is to win the title…they’ve shown in the past (and recently) that it isn’t. The business side is just as important and Lebron is great for business. They’ll pay what it takes to keep him here and continue to fill the arena, appear on national tv games, and rake in the money…title or no title. They did the same thing with Kobe’s last contract and proceeded to be the worst team in the league for about 5 seasons iirc. Time is always on the side of ownership.

      • Mongo is spot on. The Laker PR machine is all about title talk. The Lakers as a team are all about making sure star players know they have perks here. Input, play out your days in max deals, pick your locker.

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    Aloha

    The Celtics have 2 scorers and a rock solid defense. We used to have that. Sigh.

    Defense rules

    Aloha

    The Celtics have 2 scorers and a rock solid defense. We used to have that. Sigh.

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    • That is a very lethal combination and a proven formula that works. Quite a similar to a situation where you have to pick your poison.

    • By the way, Michael, do you remember which one of our previous teams had 2 scorers and a rock-solid defense? Kobe and Shaq? Kobe and Pau?

      • All the Lakers championship teams were good defensively Buba. Think of the last championship. Kobe was 1st nba defense. Meta, I believe was a defensive player of the year in his career. Lamar, Pau and Bynum were all good defenders. As a matter of fact I can’t think of an NBA championship team that didn’t have a good defense. I mean when you think of the great Warriors teams you think offense but they were solid defensively as well.

    • Teams win with guys in their primes, it’s simple as that. Sure there are instances when the team leader has just begun his decline and has an ascending guy alongside him and they managed to make it back to the mountaintop. Think Kobe in 2010, Lebron with Kyrie and then again in the Bubble. It’s certainly not something anyone can bank on going forward.
      When the athleticism and durability are gone, and teams are stuck continually paying the guys who can’t carry the team annually increasing salaries, championships are a pipedream.

    • Celts also seem to have found a great young head coach in Udoka…something we seem to be unable to do. I’d like to see Rondo get a shot but then I look at how bad Nash is getting schooled by a guy with actual experience.

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    Aloha,

    Down 2 to 1 to a Dallas team without Luka, I’m wondering how that Lakers job is looking to Quinn now, because he could find himself unemployed after this series. It’s clear that Utah misses Joe Ingles but I’m thinking Dallas misses Luka a little more lol. It’s a shame Kidd got the Mavs job, because he has completely turned that team around. He would have been first in line for the Lakers gig this summer.

    Quinn Snyder

    Aloha,

    Down 2 to 1 to a Dallas team without Luka, I’m wondering how that Lakers job is looking to Quinn now, because he could find himself unemployed after this series. It’s clear that Utah misses Joe Ingles but I’m thinking Dallas misses Luka a little more lol. It’s a shame Kidd got the Mavs job, because he has completely turned that team around. He would have been first in line for the Lakers gig this summer.

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    • Utah lost it when they traded Joe Ingles. Never understood that move. Utah Jazz is becoming more and more irrelevant to me. Regular Season juggernaut? Sure. Playoff soul? Nada.

      Surprisingly, why hasn’t Donovan Mitchell’s name been mentioned in any Lakers trade scenario? And why is there no mention of Rudy Gobert to the Lakers? We could use his defense. One thing is for sure this Jazz team has run its course and the Quinn Snyder to the Lakers has never been in my cards. Nick Nurse? Sure. But I would rather have Rondo or Sam Cassel as our next coach.

      Not sure why but those two guys keep banging on my head even before Frank Vogel’s casket was being prepared.

    • I asked the question when Snyder’s name first got mentioned for the Lakers job….what has he done? He’s had 2 years to figure out the Gobert switching problem and still hasn’t done it and now finds himself down the the Mavs without Luka. We’ve just seen what happens with a coach who can’t make adjustments. If he doesn’t take want this job it’ll be no big loss for either party…somebody else will hire him.

      As for the desirability of this job..the bloom seems to be off the rose. The stories about what a fiasco our front office has devolved into are all out there for the world to see. They didn’t want to give T-Lue the years and also wanted to pick his coaching staff; this is a guy with a ring as a head coach. Snyder made his comments after seeing the bush-league way they handled the (justified) firing of Frankie. Kidd saw the inner-workings up close & personal and chose to leave. He had to know there was a great chance the job would be his next season when the Lakers only gave Frank 1 extra year on his deal…and he still chose the Mavs.

      I just hope we don’t end up with Dantoni again….

      • @MongoSlade
        Excellent points. I completely agree with you, man.

      • Mike D’Antoni again? While I doubt it would happen, there’s part of me that would love to see what Mike would do with LeBron and AD and a version of our smal-ball-on-steroids lineups.

        One thing I’m sure of is D’Antoni would solve the spacing issues that have plagued the Vogel Lakers every season. The key is to make sure to give Mike players who can also play defense. That’s what Morey focused on doing to balance the team’s defense and offense. Guys like Gordon and PJ were outstanding defenders.

        LeBron and AD can be great defenders. If we built the right roster, I wouldn’t mind Mike D’Antoni as our head coach. Would want him to hire a good defensive coach as his associate coach but I’ve always liked and respected Mike.

        I also think D’Antoni would be interested in the Lakers job if approached, which I know isn’t going to happen. I remember the glowing comments about the Lakers’ small ball lineups by Mike. I think he’d love to try his philosophy with LeBron James and Anthony Davis.

        • LakerTom has a Pavlovian response to the words “Mike D’Antoni” perks him right up, lol. For my part that would basically be surrendering next season away before it even starts. We don’t have the assets to build a winner so we need a coach that understands NBA defense at a basic level. That ain’t Mike.

    • This discussion has to lead to whom should the Lakers be looking at as their next head coach? I think chances are remote that the Lakers hire somebody brand new who hasn’t been brought up yet. So of all the names bandied about, which coaches would you be satisfied as the Lakers next head coach?

      1. Mike D’Antoni
      2. Mike Brown
      3. Quin Snyder
      4. Mark Jackson
      5. Shaquille O’Neal
      6. Doc Rivers
      7. Sam Cassell
      8. Rajon Rondo
      9. Kenny Atkinson
      10. David Fizdale
      11. Phil Handy
      12. Steve Clifford
      13. Terry Stotts

      • Lol, Shaq made the list? Man we doomed

        • This job, currently, is a lot less about X’s and O’s or philosophy. The philosophy is easy: LeBron. So who among those on that list has the best chance to get LBJ to listen? Rondo, Handy, Brown (maybe) and possibly Sam “Big Ballz” Cassell. Guys who have won it all, who understand what he wants them to understand: that it happens s between the lines, not on a clipboard. MDA is maybe the second worse on the list only to Fizzy. MDA is like the Westbrook of coaches, don’t give him exactly the right players (shooters and an elite PG) who are all in on the Rootin’ Tootin’ Shootin’ Mike D’Antoni System and get along why bother? Also, his time has well come and gone. One trick pony, which is more tricks than Fizzdsle has, for what that’s worth. Clifford, Storts and Atkinson all top out at great assistants, for me. Shaq is a joke, like Magic showing up to work Beverly day. We don’t need a Jester, we need a General. That sentence brought to you by The General car insurance sponsored by Shaq. Same goes for Jackson, we don’t need a pastor we need a leader. Rondo and Snyder intrigue me but Mongo’s pints about Quinn are spot on. Like MDA he seems limited in his thinking. Luke Walton didn’t mKe the list?! I’m outta here…

          • Poor Luke, he had the Lakers at 4th in the west with LeBron and a bunch of kids and then LeBron gets hurt. He missed 31 games, along with Rondo, Ball and Bi all missing time. Then came Luke’s fatal mistake. He went to the land where coaches go to die. Sacramento. One wonders what he could do with a good team.

            • “He went to the land where coaches go to die. Sacramento.”

              Man, I can’t tell you how much you got me laughing good at this one, Michael.

    • I know Buba. Lol. Poor Kings fans. They have had 11 head coaches in the last 16 years, since Adelman.

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    Aloha

    Looking at all the possible trade partners and returns from different articles I really don’t see a game changer . Yes with health we would be better but at best we maybe 4th or 5th in the west.

    My first reaction to giving up draft picks to OKC was no way. But after thinking about it, it maybe no worse than some of those he other options. First it could net us the best player.

    That could be Malik Monk. I had a lot of frustration with Franks coaching this year but his inability to get Malik more involved was at the top list. At don’t know how many time I wrote about Maliki not getting shots. At 24 he still has a very high ceiling and could be a solid 3rd option or 2nd when LeBron or AD rest.

    If we did do that trade I would try to include Kendrich Williams, a solid 3 and d forward, along with Favors. I would waive and stretch Favors 10 mil. He really is no longer worth it. And it would only amount to 3 mil a few years on the books. So we would be at about 103 mil including Williams. We could use 10 to 12 to sign Malik. We could even back load it, if needed. The beauty here is we could still use the full 10 mil MLE and the 4 mil bi annual. It would hard cap us but we have enough cheap contracts in Reeves, Stanley and Gabriel to fill out a roster.

    Now I don’t know what Ricky Rubio’s recovery is looking like but if he is ready for the season we could use some of that money on him. I would also look at bringing back Damien Jones as a back up center.

    The tax apron is 149 mil. Using the full MLE and Bi annual and signing Malik it would leave us 22 mil to fill out 3 to 4 slots. There will be tight money this summer so some talent will trickle down. We wouldn’t need to fill all the remaining slots with min players. We could sign a couple at say 5 mil. To 7 mil. This summers tight money could land a couple of solid role players at that rate.

    Would these moves make us contenders? Probably not, Our players would have to take big steps for that to happen. Of course they would need to do the same with any of the other trades as well.

    Why not Malik?

    Aloha

    Looking at all the possible trade partners and returns from different articles I really don’t see a game changer . Yes with health we would be better but at best we maybe 4th or 5th in the west.

    My first reaction to giving up draft picks to OKC was no way. But after thinking about it, it maybe no worse than some of those he other options. First it could net us the best player.

    That could be Malik Monk. I had a lot of frustration with Franks coaching this year but his inability to get Malik more involved was at the top list. At don’t know how many time I wrote about Maliki not getting shots. At 24 he still has a very high ceiling and could be a solid 3rd option or 2nd when LeBron or AD rest.

    If we did do that trade I would try to include Kendrich Williams, a solid 3 and d forward, along with Favors. I would waive and stretch Favors 10 mil. He really is no longer worth it. And it would only amount to 3 mil a few years on the books. So we would be at about 103 mil including Williams. We could use 10 to 12 to sign Malik. We could even back load it, if needed. The beauty here is we could still use the full 10 mil MLE and the 4 mil bi annual. It would hard cap us but we have enough cheap contracts in Reeves, Stanley and Gabriel to fill out a roster.

    Now I don’t know what Ricky Rubio’s recovery is looking like but if he is ready for the season we could use some of that money on him. I would also look at bringing back Damien Jones as a back up center.

    The tax apron is 149 mil. Using the full MLE and Bi annual and signing Malik it would leave us 22 mil to fill out 3 to 4 slots. There will be tight money this summer so some talent will trickle down. We wouldn’t need to fill all the remaining slots with min players. We could sign a couple at say 5 mil. To 7 mil. This summers tight money could land a couple of solid role players at that rate.

    Would these moves make us contenders? Probably not, Our players would have to take big steps for that to happen. Of course they would need to do the same with any of the other trades as well.

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    • Excellent post, Michael. There is a lot to like about OKC as a trading partner if we don’t connect with Hornets or Pacers. As you pointed out, the route is not straight forward but it does provide a path to keep Monk and have tools to fill out the starting lineup and roster with better players than we could get for the minimum. And that, I agree, is a big point in favor of this route.

      I also agree you’re right that we probably wouldn’t be a championship team but I think that’s the outcome of any of the various trades being discussed because LeBron and AD have to prove they can stay on the floor. Otherwise, all the season is about is where is the pick we traded away going to land.

      Pincus also listed this as what he thought was most likely to happen. My big worry is going this route will require Pelinka and the front office to make a series of smart moves whereas pulling off a trade with the Hornets or Pacers is likely to be a one-shot deal. Hornets and Pacers are easy deals to make compared to the OKC deal but I agree it’s a viable option.

      Anyway, Lakers have multiple options and I’m confident we will find one of them that the front office and Klutch can agree upon so we can move forward. Lakers will have solid options to rebuild this summer.

      In terms of desirability, I doubt the Lakers would go this route unless they had no better option. It doesn’t have the pizazz or big names the Lakers could need to get LeBron to jump aboard. And, as I said, it will require some smart follow-up moves to execute this option.

      • Thanks Tom, no one really knows what will happen. i asked myself of the players named who do i like best. I thought probably the Pacers deal. but i i started to think about it. Brogdon is better than a guy like Rubio because of his shooting. Ricky is also a good defender and a better play maker than Brogdon. and Malik is a better player than Buddy across the board, he still has star upside and could be a 20+ scorer with a coach that actually has an offense. so the back court would be a wash at best. its the additional cap space that made the OKC deal for me. we could have a much better collection of role players than another group of minimum salary guys. for me that makes it a better deal. of course you are right, Rob would have to still make the right moves but I would roll the dice on that.

    • Injuries and all I would take a flyer on Rubio. Has great skill, defense and is big for a PG.

    • Heard a Dame for Westy deal?

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    I got home in time to start watching the Bulls Bucks. In less than 2 minutes Alex had a 3 pointer, a steal, a strip, an assist and drew 2 fouls on the Greek freak. He played stellar the rest of the quarter. Good job Rob, good job.

    Alex

    Aloha

    I got home in time to start watching the Bulls Bucks. In less than 2 minutes Alex had a 3 pointer, a steal, a strip, an assist and drew 2 fouls on the Greek freak. He played stellar the rest of the quarter. Good job Rob, good job.

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    Aloha

    Someone has to put a stop to all this information that is being leaked inside the Laker camp.

    The Los Angeles Lakers aren’t in an advantageous position with hypothetical Russell Westbrook trades, but the 17-time NBA champions will still be careful when exploring their options surrounding the nine-time All-Star.

    NBA insider Marc Stein reported the Lakers “have more boundaries than advertised when it comes to weighing Westbrook trades” and that “injury histories would be a prime consideration in any deal.”

    With that in mind, Los Angeles is “unlikely to consent to a Charlotte trade headlined by Gordon Hayward,” per Stein.

    Stein reported April 7 the Charlotte Hornets were “increasingly mentioned by league insiders as a team to watch on the Westbrook front.”

    It really isn’t helpful to let the whole league know this. All it does is make it harder to negotiate with other teams, if they know that Hayward is not a Laker target. All it does is lessen the return other teams may have been willing to give. The entire organization is a train wreck.

    Loose Lips

    Aloha

    Someone has to put a stop to all this information that is being leaked inside the Laker camp.

    The Los Angeles Lakers aren’t in an advantageous position with hypothetical Russell Westbrook trades, but the 17-time NBA champions will still be careful when exploring their options surrounding the nine-time All-Star.

    NBA insider Marc Stein reported the Lakers “have more boundaries than advertised when it comes to weighing Westbrook trades” and that “injury histories would be a prime consideration in any deal.”

    With that in mind, Los Angeles is “unlikely to consent to a Charlotte trade headlined by Gordon Hayward,” per Stein.

    Stein reported April 7 the Charlotte Hornets were “increasingly mentioned by league insiders as a team to watch on the Westbrook front.”

    It really isn’t helpful to let the whole league know this. All it does is make it harder to negotiate with other teams, if they know that Hayward is not a Laker target. All it does is lessen the return other teams may have been willing to give. The entire organization is a train wreck.

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    • This is why I’m not holding my breath for any great positivity to come out of this summer. At best we’ll lateral, at worst we’ll somehow manage another step back…

    • if you read the entire article it’s obvious that the Lakers are not going to refuse to trade for Hayward because of his injury history. They’re just not going to make him the featured player in the trade and their going to adjust what they give to reflect the risk in trading for Hayward. It’s nothing more than the Lakers posturing to make sure Charlotte knows that part of the price to dump Hayward is going to be including Terry Rozier.

      I would even go so far as to require PJ Washington and THT to be added to the deal. Washington is an elite 3&D wing who’s only 23 and could be the most important player in the trade for LA. His defense, 6′ 7″ 230 lbs size, and 43% shooting from deep are exactly what the Lakers need at the three.

      While I love the idea of trading for Turner, being able to get Rozier, Hayward, and Washington for Russ, THT, and our 2 picks could actually be our best possible deal. I might start Washington at the 2 to help cover Terry’s lack of size at point guard. Bottom line, Rozier and Washington are two great young players to get for Russ and Hayward is perfect if he can stay healthy.

      The only problem I have with Rozier is his size, which makes him almost impossible to play alongside Malik Monk., You can cover for one small defender if the rest of the lineup has great size but two smalls will often lead to a leaky defense.

      Turner, Brogdon, and Hield is still first for me.
      But Hayward, Rozier, and Washington is close second.

      • I did read the whole article. Obviously you got a lot more out of it than I did. Lol.

        • Stein does NOT say Lakers will not trade for Hayward, just that they wouldn’t make a trade where he is the headliner.

          “Yet it has since been conveyed to me that the Lakers have more boundaries than advertised when it comes to weighing Westbrook trades. One league source said that injury histories would be a prime consideration in any deal, given how injuries have so routinely intruded upon the last two seasons for both 37-year-old LeBron James and 29-year-old Anthony Davis.

          “Translation: The Lakers are unlikely to consent to a Charlotte trade headlined by Gordon Hayward — not after Hayward’s first two seasons in Charlotte have likewise been injury-filled. The Lakers surely understand that they need to factor in durability if they are taking on long-term money, which suggests that Terry Rozier would have to be the Southern California-bound headliner if the Hornets and Lakers eventually progress to serious trade talks.”

      • If we got Washington I’d be stoked. I think they use cap space to sign him to an extension as he likely figures to be a part of their plans going forward.

        • Word is they may have to give max deals to Ball and Bridges so may prefer to move Washington, who’s also up for a big raise after next season.

          First, the stories saying the Lakers don’t want to trade for Hayward are just posturing by LA. They just don’t want Gordon to be the reason for the trade.

          Their position is that Terry Rozier is the featured player. They will take Hayward because that’s what Charlotte wants but they should cover Hayward’s injury risk by making PJ Washington as the third player and insurance in case Hayward gets hurt again.

          That’s a trade that makes sense:

          Lakers get Hayward, Rozier, and Washington

          Hornets get Russ, THT, and 2 first round picks.

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    Aloha,

    LeBron was live tweeting throughout the Cav’s game. Just saying….

    Lebron

    Aloha,

    LeBron was live tweeting throughout the Cav’s game. Just saying….

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    • Great narrative to send him home and jump start the Lakers rebuild. Look truth is, he ain’t the guy no more. No shame in it, but had he not blown up the Lakers roster for one bubble ring, he’d be in that same position in LA. BI is certainly closer to being a team leader than AD.

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