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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
The chatter around the league is that the Hornets are talking to the Pacers about Turner. The Pacers love Hayward and the Hornets have the 13th and 15th pick in the draft this year. It’s very possible that we see Hayward and a 1st going to the Pacers for Turner.
But I don’t think that would necessarily kill a deal for Russ. The Hornets seem to still be interested in Russ. The Pacers owe Scary Terry around 70 mil over the next 3 years. And while he’s a good player he’s not the best fit with Ball, now firmly in charge at point guard. Terry would be a much better fit on the Lakers because he is a decent shooter and can play off the ball. I would suspect we would see Terry and maybe Plumlee to the Lakers for Russ and a 1st round pick. I would love Ubre but if the Hornets move Hayward then they probably want to hold onto Kelly. I actually like this better then Hayward because he’s 32 and hasn’t been able to stay healthy.
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The player I would love to get is P.J. Washington. They may not want to keep and pay him with Bridges and Melo coming up the next two years. Throw him in with Terry and Plumlee and it’s maybe better than Hayward. Those three fit the Lakers needs perfectly.
The other thing is from everything I read, MJ does not want to pay taxes. There was even talk he would look to trade Bridges instead of extending him. Hayward’s contract is a lot for most teams to absorb, especially a cheapskate ownership like Indy. Let’s see what happens. Won’t be long now.
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"The [Charlotte] Hornets are expected to gauge trade interest in Terry Rozier, P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre Jr. and Mason Plumlee in advance of Bridges' restricted free agency." (via @JakeLFischer)
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— The Trade Deadline (@_TradeDeadline) June 21, 2022
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Michael H wrote a new post
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Tom was right, the Lakers will offer 1st round picks in trades. But it appears that the Pacers are not impressed.
Lakers Rumors: Westbrook, Horton-Tucker, 2026 1st Offered in Malcolm Brogdon Trade
The Los Angeles Lakers offered Russell Westbrook, Talen Horton-Tucker and a 2026 first-round draft pick to the Indiana Pacers for Malcolm Brogdon, ESPN’s Jonathan Givony reported on The Lowe Post podcast
That offer was reportedly rejected.
The Lakers are looking to bounce back in 2022-23 after finishing 11th in the Western Conference with a 33-49 record. The Pacers are in rebuilding mode after going 25-57 last year.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Over the last couple of weeks we have close click bait headlines that the Lakers are interested in LaVine, Beal and now Kyrie. Of course they are. Duh! I’m waiting for the headline for that some team is interested in Westbrook, even THT. That hasn’t happened yet. Until it does it’s all click bait.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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The first big man trade just hit. The Rockets received an unremarkable
Collection of players BUT, they also receive the 26 th pick in this years draft. Like I’ve been saying all along, a pick 5 years down the road is not as valuable as a pick that can be used right away. I expect more of the same this summer.Shams Charania
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Sources: The Mavericks are sending Boban Marjanovic, Sterling Brown, Trey Burke, Marquese Chriss and the No. 26 pick to the Rockets for Christian Wood.-
Rockets were looking to move Christian Wood to clear playing time for Alperen Sengun and likely the No. 3 overall pick, whether that’s Paolo Banchero or Chet Holmgren. They pounced on chance to acquire a first-round pick (and no long-term salary) in the process.
— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) June 16, 2022
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It’s interesting that the Lakers did not appear to have any interest in Wood although there was some at the trade deadline last year. His defense is certainly suspect as maybe his team first character but he is a huge talent offensively to get for a late first round pick.
Wood is not a logical pick for a Darvin Ham team although I think out picks will have a lot more value than normal since they’re post LeBron but may have to be unprotected for max value. At any rate, hopefully this is a sign the Lakers believe they can do much better than a defensive challenged Christian Wood.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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Jabari Walker is a guy I’ve been hearing about lately. The son of former Laker Samaki Walker he worked out today for the Lakers. Definitely the kind of forward we should be looking at. By the way he is a huge a LeBron fan which would be a plus if he goes undrafted.
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We didn’t quite get a full-blown breakout season from Jabari Walker at Colorado after he thrived in a small role as a freshman, but the foundation is there for him to continue his development into a solid role player in the NBA. The 6-8 forward has good positional size and length, strong shooting touch (he was in the 93rd percentile as a frosh in spot-up shooting situations) and really good rebounding instincts for his position. If he can return to form as a knockdown catch-and-shoot guy (after being miscast in a big role as a sophomore) and add that to his length and defense then there’s more than enough here for him to return value as a real value late in the draft or even as an undrafted priority free agent.-
Good prospect, Michael. I would prefer gambling on young guys with size and talent like Walker rather than retread minimum salary vets for bottom third of roster.
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The lakers have 3 things going for them this off season. 1. Not a lot of free agent money out there this year.
2. It’s an extremely deep draft. Especially at the backend. Covid prevented a lot of guys from coming out earlier.
3. a lot of open roster spots for both pro’s trying to rebuild their value and undrafted rookies with visions of becoming the nect Reeves and Caruso.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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It is too early to tell if there will be trades or what free agents we can land. But one hire that needs to happen is a all world shooting coach. All of our young guys showed a lot of potential in certain areas. The one area they all need help in is shooting. If these young guys can be elevated into the 35% range they could become a very useful core. Perhaps a great coach could help Russ with his 3 point shot. What is clear, trade or no trade we will need contribution s from at least a couple of these guys. I believe in their abilities to defend and even improve in that area. It’s the shooting that will tell how far we can go with these kids.
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Great point, Michael. The fact that we did not bring back our shooting coach Mike Penberthy confirms we were not happy with his work. So far, we have not seen Ham add anybody to replace the shooting coach. We could certainly use somebody who could get our low 30’s shooters hitting around the 35% league average.
I also think it’s going to be critical that the shooters we bring in also help fill out other two major needs, which is for defense and size. Shooters who can’t defend or lack positional size are not the answer. We need legitimate 3&D players who have size to get their shots off and defend their positions. We got shooters last summer but not guys with the size and defensive ability we needed. Must do better this time around.
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I agree with both of you. But while helping players become good shooters is of paramount importance, it is also important for a coach to know how to get them involved in the offense. That’s an area Vogel didn’t do well. We had a bunch of shooters but never utilize them offensively. I Hope Ham could address that.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
So it appears that Rasheed Wallace one of the great villains of Laker lore will now be one of the coaches. Ironic isn’t it? All I know is Rasheed was one nasty dude. Hopefully some of that nasty rubs off on our young guys. Heck I hope some of the Nasty rubs off on AD. I wonder though, are coaches suspended after 16 technical fouls like players😂
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Well the Russ trade proposals keep coming hot and heavy and will only intensify over the coming weeks. Now of course all of these are writers coming up with them. There actually has only been two teams that are said to be possibly interested in a trade for Russ. The Hornets and the Rockets.
So what I have been doing is pulling up these teams on Bleacher Report just to see what the local writers with some inside information have to say. Sadly Russ is never mentioned. For instance the Pacers are interested in Colin Sexton. They could offer Buddy to the Cav’s for Sexton. Considering the Cav’s need floor spacers they would probably go for it. It would depend on the offers Sexton receives.
This is the way it is with every team. Even the Hornets site aren’t talking about Russ but they are talking a lot about other targets. Primarily centers with Hayward mentioned. This is why I think the Lakers have asked for plans on using Russ. Not so much that they want to keep him but after a month of talking to teams there is the very real possibility that they won’t be able to find a trade.
The same thing goes for THT and Nunn, neither are talked about on other sites. On the brighter side Monk is not being talked much by the teams that could sign him for more then the mini mid level.
It’s still early and deals that no one has even thought of may surface. Still, I’m not holding my breathe.
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I think the Lakers will end up trading Russ but I believe they will include a pick to do it but will be able to get two better players as a result of giving up the pick. I think the Lakers have no real intent to bring Russ back. He burned that bridge and Rob is not going to make the same mistake twice. Burdening a rookie head coach with Westbrook would be criminal idiocy. Russ must go, even if it costs a pick.
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I think the Lakers want to trade Russ as badly as you do Tom. But I also believe that they are being realistic. Russ is no one’s plan A. If he were a deal probably would be done. He maybe a last resort for a few teams. That’s going to play out after free agency opens up. I truly hope they can find a deal but like I said, I’m not holding my breathe.
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We’ll find out over the next month, Michael. I think there are teams for whom cleaning up their cap sheet will have a high priority.
Again, it’s going to be a version of musical chairs. I believe there will be teams who want Russ’ $47M expiring contract and there will be pressure to make a deal that will help the Lakers make a reasonable trade.
I also do believe the Lakers will probably take the best deal they can get rather than keeping Russ because they really don’t want to jinx Ham’s rookie season by giving him Russ. Ham was a big win for the Lakers long-term. They’re not going to screw him with Westbrook.
That could mean the Lakers take a trade like the Knicks trade, which I still think is Plan G or H, which would then extend the rebuild to the trade deadline. One way or another, Lakers are going to end the Westbrook experiment.
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I doubt there is anyone who wants to keep Russ. But the reality is when there is a decent player involved a teams just isn’t going to dump a player without exhausting all possibilities first. Especially small market teams like the Pacers that are not a draw for free agency. I used the Sexton for Buddy example that is out there. Now let’s say the Knicks can’t find their PG in free agency which maybe the case since there are only a couple of good ones on the Market. They send Reddish , Walker and one of their 3 1st rounders in the next two years. So they have moved the contracts that they want, picked up the young guard they want, added a promising young forward and added a first rounder. And they only will have to eat Walkers 9.5 mil. This is what all these teams will look to do. Our only chance is that they can’t find a good deal and fall back on Russ. And even then they could hold a player till the trade deadline. These are useful players.
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Me either, I also don’t think Russ has burned any bridges that can’t be fixed. Kobe wanted to play on Pluto, Magic wanted out. These guys are expected to give perfect answers, Russ has never been good with the media, either. I long ago prepared myself mentally and physically for us to, at a minimum, start next season with Russ on the team and on the court starting.
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Russ’ play and response to coaching was how he burned bridges with everybody on the Lakers. We’re at a crisis point for the franchise, which is the worst possible time to be thinking about doubling down on Russell Westbrook. That is the worst option and it’s not going to happen.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Marc Stein has reported that the Lakers are telling
Anyone who will listen that they are keeping Russ. That they will not give up future assets to move him nor will they waive and stretch him. Posturing? Perhaps, or it could be reality setting in. The Front office has had ample time to talk with everyone in the league and gage what opportunities are out there. There simply may not be a trade that they see as a path to elevating the team into contender status. And why waste assets on players that won’t do that.A good example is the Pacers. Buddy and Brogdon is everyone’s favorite trade. Yet there hasn’t been one hint of interest coming from the Pacers camp. They have repeatedly said they are going to build while trying to stay competitive. That are not tearing it down. Considering they are way under the salary cap and not an ideal destination for free agents there really isn’t a need to create additional cap space. They can simply hold onto their players until the right opportunity comes along.
Perhaps the Lakers would consider adding draft picks to obtain the two but it’s likely that a trade isn’t available.The two teams that the rumors were supposed to come from the front offices are the Rockets and Hornets. The Rockets want a first and I wouldn’t do that either. I’m sure the Hornets interest revolves around Hayward. The Lakers probably have talked with a Mitch. Maybe the Lakers do not like the Hornets proposal. Honestly I could see why the Lakers would hesitate about giving up picks for Hayward.
The Lakers will have cap space again after Russ falls off the books. Perhaps they are not willing to take on contracts for the players that maybe available for several years after Russ would have been gone, if it is not a championship move. Or Perhaps after talking with other teams there just isn’t a trade available. While expiring contracts are valuable 47 mil for one player is problematic. And if that player is seen as a negative it becomes even more difficult. While I rarely say never, I’m not optimistic that a trade will happen for Russ this summer.
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I made similar points and comments both in-season and recently. I believe Tom’s response prior to the deadline was LMFAO. Ahhhh yes, yes indeed it was. One of us has been laughing ever since and I’ve been studying recipes in how Crow can best be served. It’s hard for some folks to accept simple logic like “small market teams don’t need to clear $47 million dollars in cap space because whom will they spend it on?” Those kind of questions get brushed aside and tossed out the window. The reality and truth of the matter is the Wall deal may be all that could hapoen and, at best, that is a lateral move. Russ and his deal will have the most value at next season’s trade deadline. Depending on how he’s playing maybe notveven much then. Which is exactly why I’ve been floating the notion that simply acquiring cap space when his deal is up isn’t the worst outcome. Far worse to cut the feet out from inder the future by giving up picks to take on bad deals. Especially if Ham has some good ideas how to make it all work.
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It’s hard for some folks to accept that dumping bad salary is more important to some NBA teams than winning. in any given year, the main focus of half of the teams in the NBA is making sure to make money, not spending to win championships. It’s a business and profits and growth of assets are the primary objectives of most of the small market teams.
As for the notion that there is value in the Lakers keeping Russ to clear cap space when his contract expires, I wholeheartedly agree. If LeBron extended 1+1, the timing would be perfect. The problem with that theory is it sacrifices what is probably going to be the Lakers best shot at winning #18 in this decade. Like trading LeBron and/or AD, it’s a move that could work out better long-term but is highly unlikely to happen in my opinion. Fortunately, we won’t have to wait to long to find out who eats crow.
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Aloha, Michael,
Looks like the Lakers posturing is working as they even have you convinced that they would not give up a draft pick in any Russell Westbrook trade.
All everybody is doing right now is establishing their starting bargaining position. Rarely do we see teams refusing to adjust as we get closer to free agency.
I also don’t buy that teams are out to give it to the Lakers because they know they’re desperate. In the end, each team is going to do what’s best for them.
I still believe the Lakers will trade Westbrook and that all of the current hullabaloo is just posturing. Being able to clean up their cap will be enough for the Lakers to move Russ. They’ll end up giving up a pick but will also get better players in return as the quid pro quo.
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Great points made by all. There is a tightrope that needs to be walked when dealing with Russ’ contract. Just using round numbers for simplicity…say our cap number is $150mill with Russ and the league cap is set at $115mill. If we just let him walk at the end, we don’t automatically have that $150mill and his $47mill to work with anymore. Our number becomes $103mill and we only have $12mill to work with…not quite the same flexibility. Teams that are willing to spend the money (and I’m not totally convinced that Jeannie is) want to keep that cap number inflated to provide added manuverablity, but with good players who can either contribute to a title run or become trade assets in the future. Hence…..the tightrope.
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There’s also a perfect storm happening in that the Lakers don’t want to pay exorbitant luxury taxes and they could really use the $10.3M MLE and $4.1M BAE plus ability to receive players in S&Ts that being hardcapped would give them.
In many ways, the Lakers might end up getting better players via free agency than trade. The MLE and BAE and S&Ts open up a world of free agents the Lakers cannot get in a straight trade. The free agents won’t cost as much, will be younger, and will have more upside and none of the injury and performance questions as players in bad contracts.
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For me, the dominating factor that tells me the Lakers trading Russell Westbrook this summer is a slam dunk is the coming season is probably the team’s best opportunity to win #18 this decade. The Warriors, Clippers, and Grizzlies are all going to get better every year while the Lakers have to try and play catchup.
If the Lakers keep Russ, I don’t see any way the team is going to be successful. Russ is not going to change anything and he will be a year older and a year less explosive. Even if we send him home like the Rockets did to Wall, we’ll miss the rotation players that trading him could have gotten us.
The math is pretty simple. If the Lakers want the LeBron era to end on a positive note, they have to go all in this summer. They have two trading chips with questionable value – Westbrook and THT. In the end, I bet they will use a draft pick to enhance the trade for each of them. Russ + Pick will get LAL something like Brogdon and Hield and THT + Pick will get them something like Christian Wood.
Lakers need to get 3 rotation players from Russ and THT.
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i dont a trade being a slam dunk and i certainly dont see a trade that will bring back players that elivate the Lakers into true contenders. this is not a good year for free agents because of tight money. teams will look at trades. and teams like the Pacer will look for more value. at over 30 mil in cap space in a market that doesn’t draw high end free agents they have no incentive to dump even more salary. they can wait for the right trade to come along that will help them build now. not wait 5 years to spend a draft pick.
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I do agree it would be hard to get enough back to be a legitimate contender but that’s probably going to depend more on a healthy and peak playing LeBron and AD than anything.
We won’t be favorites for sure, even after a great summer, but hopefully we’ll make good progress, get rid of Russ, and end up with players who will at least be viable trading chips or rotation players.
I think the decision to hire Ham is a positive sign that we may see more intelligent decision making by the Lakers. At least I hope so. LOL. It’s hard sometimes to be a loyal fan. Anyway, good so far. And I like the posturing. Don’t know whether it works in the end but it’s a game we all have to play.
Sometimes different opinions are the result of philosophical points, like analytics or rim protection. But most of the time, it’s how we look at the proverbial half-empty, half-full glass. That sets the range of what each of us thinks is going to happen.
We glass half-full types shoot for everything we want knowing we won’t get it all while you glass half-empty types predict what they expect will happen hoping that they’re wrong but not wanting to be hugely disappointed.
Fantasy vs Reality? Sometimes but not always.
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Actually in 2023 we only have 51 mil on the books. But of course LeBron will be a huge cap hold and there will be minimum cap holds as well. But the cap is estimated to be 128 mil in 2023 that coupled with access to the full MLE and bi annual would give us money to spend on several decent role players. I think the days of big 3’s are behind us.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
The Lakers have dug themselves a nasty hole with their foolish attempt to build a big 3. A hole they will have a hard time climbing out of. LeBron could help. Lebrons net worth is estimated at 850 million dollars. He is well on his way to becoming a billion dollar basketball player like MJ. He could retire today and still hit the billion dollar mark in a few year through endorsements and his various business ventures. So it begs the question, how important is winning another ring to him? He has stated that he won’t accept anything but a max contact but if he wants to win, signing another max contract will make winning another ring very difficult. If he took less, say 25 to 30 mil that would leave money for a couple of quality role players and could even open up the full MLE and bi annual slot. And if he goes into free agency who could even pay him that? Or want to at his age. It will be interesting to see which is bigger, his ego or his desire to win another championship. He probably can’t get paid 50 mil and win again, no matter where he is.
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Michael H wrote a new post
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Michael H wrote a new post
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The Los Angeles Lakers hired Milwaukee Bucks assistant Darvin Ham as their new head coach on Friday to replace Frank Vogel, according to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski.
Ham is being signed to a four-year contract, per The Athletic and Stadium’s Shams Charania.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
There is only 30 head coaching jobs in the NBA. So of course when one opens up you do want it. Still in the back of these candidates minds they have to be asking themselves, do I really want this? Luke had LeBron and a bunch of kids 4th in the west until LeBron and other key players went down with extended injuries and he got canned. Frank inherited AD and they win a ring. The roster is fiddled with and injuries plagued the team again and they only managed getting into the play in before AD got hurt again. Then the remaining pieces of the championship squad are moved or allowed to walk, replaced by basically Russ and senior citizens. Injuries strike again and Frank is canned. These candidates have to be asking themselves, how much of a chance will I be given? Considering the roster will need to be overhauled yet again, I’m sure they must have some reservations. Who will the lucky guy be😂
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The flip side of your argument is the Los Angeles Lakers are still royalty when it comes to the NBA. The most superstars, the most championships, the greatest fanbase in league. Make it in LA and you’ve done it in the hardest place with the greatest pressure in the league. Nothing tops being a champion as a Laker and that’s not going to change. Our next great coach could be Darvin Ham.
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I just hope the FO learned the lessons from the last coaching search…conducted just three short years ago….
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha,
Long time Lakerholics may remember Dave Murphy’s excellent Searching for Slava blog. As it turns out Slava Medvendenko is currently fighting in the Ukraine. It kind of put our basketball obsessions in perspective. My prayers go out to Slava and his country.
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Wow, my hat off to him. That’s bravery right there. My prayers go out to all those sacrificing their lives to save their country from evil. That the only way to resolve our differences is to kill one another is beyond me. Such a sad world we live in.
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Michael H wrote a new post
Aloha
Regardless of what happens with trades there are two silver linings for the Lakers. First this is the tightest money market in the NBA in years. There will be talent that slips through the cracks. Whether it was a vet with a injury history looking to re-establish value like Otto Porter Jr last year or an under performing young player like Malik. The draw for the Lakers is if Lebron and AD are healthy playing with them will elevate their games on a large stage. And with so many open spots there will be a lot of minutes available that may not be there in other situations for these guys.
I’m thinking of a Guy like TJ Warren that has only played 4 games in two years. I could easily see him sliding down to a vet minimum level. Olindipo is another guy that could free fall, although perhaps not all the way down to vet min status.
Is there another Malik out there? I’m thinking Kevin Knox here. He has shown flashes of promise but he has a 8 mil qualifier and there is no way the cash strapped Hawks are going to pick that up. Another guy is Mo Bamba. His qualifier is over 10 mil. Again I don’t see the Magic picking that up. Another name to watch is Jalen Smith. Now he might be more of a mini mid level guy. He looked good for the Pacers but because the Suns declined his team option before the trade the Pacers can not offer him more then 5 mil.
One other thing to watch is undrafted free agents. With the Lakers development reputation and roster spots galore we should be able to snag some best ones available.
I would like to hear from you guys. Is there any free agents whether it’s an established guy or a young under performing one that you feel might be available on a vet minimum deal? Maybe we can compile a list and send it to Rob. Lol. What I don’t want to see over the hill 35 year olds chasing a ring.
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As always, Michael, this was a well-thought-out and well-written post. I agree with your assessment of the whole situation. One player you mentioned – TJ Warren – is someone that intrigues me even though he hasn’t played much the past couple of seasons. What are your thoughts on him despite having gone through all those injuries? I definitely like him as a shooter/scorer.
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Thanks for reading Buba. Warren is certainly intriguing but missing 2 years is going to hurt his value. I would take a shot on a vet minimum contract but I don’t think I would go more. We have two players that already are having health issues. That’s why trades for guys with injury histories like Gordon in Houston and Hayward in Charlotte make me nervous.
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Aloha, Michael,
Great post. Despite the various areas of dysfunction, the Lakers scouting department led by the Buss brothers keeps coming up with players who can contribute and become solid rotation players. Reaves and Caruso are both excellent examples. Be great if we could find another this year.
I’m not as high on the importance of minimum salary players. We had some good and some bad and that’s pretty much what you can expect from those players in my opinion. For every Monk, you have a couple of Jordans and Bradleys.
More important to me is the performance of the three or four non-superstar, non-minimum salary players. Last season, we only had three – Westbrook, THT, and Nunn – and Russ and THT regressed while Nunn never made the floor.
The Lakers will hopefully get two rotation players from trading Russ and a pick, one from trading THT and a pick, and two from their full MLE and BAE. To me, the benefit of getting the full $10.3M MLE and the $4.1M BAE are worth hard capping.
Those are our five shots at landing legitimate rotation players this summer in my opinion. How good we will be will, of course, depend on LeBron and AD staying healthy and the non-superstar, non-minimum salary players coming through.
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The big question to me is if we hard cap and have the $10.3M MLE and $4.1M BAE, do we go after one player for the MLE like Warren, Hartenstein, or Monk or do we try to get multiple players? Kind of like a mini version of the Russell Westbrook dilemma. What we are able to get in the trades will likely determine who and how we spend our MLE. I agree some good prospects will be available.
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Thanks for reading Tom. While trades may or may not happen, I was more interested in finding options of guys that might slip through the cracks. If you have any names to watch I would love to hear them.
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I think you’re right that there’s going to be more talent than money out there this summer. Most of the guys I like though are going to get more than the minimum.
Here are the players I would be interested in pursuing with part (or in some cases, all) of the full MLE:
Malik Monk
T.J. Warren
Victor Oladipo,
Isaiah Hartenstein
Bruce Brown
Ricky Rubio,
Tyus Jones
Gary Payton II
Joe Ingles
P.J. Tucker
Chris Boucher
Otto Porter
Nic Claxton.Love to hear your take on each one.
I don’t know if any of these are going to make more than $10M.
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