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    Of all the trade proposals we have endured since April, the Kyrie deal is the only one I have thought could actually happen. KD and his trade request certainly slowed the progress of negotiations but I’m now thinking if the Nets can’t find a trade partner, Russ would not be terrible for the Nets.

    For starters, KD and LeBron are different players. LeBron has always been the pseudo PG for ever team he’s played for while KD has played off the ball at every stop. He fits much better with a ball dominate PG and he’s played with Russ.

    Then there is the issue of spacing. The Lakers didn’t have any. Russ would often be met by several defenders that resulted in some truly awful decisions. The Nets have KD and Paddy Mills. They will have either Curry or Joe Harris and they just signed TJ Warren. All of those guys will space the floor for Russ to do what he does best, attack.

    In a way the Kyrie trade makes more sense for the Nets if KD stays then goes. All they get in Russ if KD leaves is a distant pick and cap relief if Harris is included. If KD stays Russ may actually help them win.

    But here is the interesting question. Why did KD ask out? Was it because he is tight with Kyrie? Or was it because of the trade speculation for Russ. Russ and KD’s partnership didn’t end well. That makes me wonder if that is playing a part in this drama.

    Russ and the Nets

    Aloha

    Of all the trade proposals we have endured since April, the Kyrie deal is the only one I have thought could actually happen. KD and his trade request certainly slowed the progress of negotiations but I’m now thinking if the Nets can’t find a trade partner, Russ would not be terrible for the Nets.

    For starters, KD and LeBron are different players. LeBron has always been the pseudo PG for ever team he’s played for while KD has played off the ball at every stop. He fits much better with a ball dominate PG and he’s played with Russ.

    Then there is the issue of spacing. The Lakers didn’t have any. Russ would often be met by several defenders that resulted in some truly awful decisions. The Nets have KD and Paddy Mills. They will have either Curry or Joe Harris and they just signed TJ Warren. All of those guys will space the floor for Russ to do what he does best, attack.

    In a way the Kyrie trade makes more sense for the Nets if KD stays then goes. All they get in Russ if KD leaves is a distant pick and cap relief if Harris is included. If KD stays Russ may actually help them win.

    But here is the interesting question. Why did KD ask out? Was it because he is tight with Kyrie? Or was it because of the trade speculation for Russ. Russ and KD’s partnership didn’t end well. That makes me wonder if that is playing a part in this drama.

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    • There’s so much controversy surrounding Russ at this point that it’s hard to imagine him playing anywhere next season, which is a shame because the guy is such an amazing athlete and if he could learn to dial it down and under control could still be a valuable part of a team. Unfortunately, he probably cannot do that for a championship caliber team. For a team looking to tank and wanting to have some reason to attract fans, Russ could work.

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    Steins reporting that LeBron won’t sign an extension without a Kyrie trade. If true WTF is he thinking? Talk about killing your teams leverage. The Nets can hold out for more. Honestly I’m too the point where I could care less if he signs an extension. He wanted Westbrook and it left team on life support. Now he wants to finish the job, like he always does. Let him walk. Let’s see how much he gets on his next deal.

    Thanks LeBron

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    Steins reporting that LeBron won’t sign an extension without a Kyrie trade. If true WTF is he thinking? Talk about killing your teams leverage. The Nets can hold out for more. Honestly I’m too the point where I could care less if he signs an extension. He wanted Westbrook and it left team on life support. Now he wants to finish the job, like he always does. Let him walk. Let’s see how much he gets on his next deal.

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    • I put the blame on Jeanie rather than LeBron. Both know LeBron is going to sign the extension if they trade for Kyrie and won’t if they don’t. That makes Jeanie’s decision simple. Trade for Kyrie or get stuck with Russ. There is no parallel universe where you don’t take the risk. You’ve already cost us the MLE. Stop the baby crying. Do what is needed for Lakers to win. Don’t Ef up the Kyrie trade.

      First, you know very well the Lakers can’t make wild or emotional decisions regarding superstars. This is just another rumor that probably matches what most pundits think is going on. There’s a battle between the Lakers and Klutch over the team direction.

      Everybody knows LeBron wants the Kyrie trade. They also know Jeanie doesn’t want to commit to multiple years or increases in salary cap. In a way, In fact, if we’re going to start conspiracy theories, The Lakers have done such a great job convincing everybody that they’re difficult rather than desperate. It’s the best job I’ve seen them done this decade.

      Of course, there’s a point where talking tough won’t work and the Lakers do desperately need the Russ/Kyrie trade and the last thing they need to do is make a mistake like declining to make the trade due to giving up a draft pick 5 or 7 years away. You have a chance to dump Russ for Kyrie and resurrect the Lakers chances for #18 this season.

      Jeanie should sell the Lakers if they somehow screw up the gift from the basketball gods that this trade is. This is not a competition between your will and LeBron’s. It’s a chance to take advantage of a miraculous break that fell into your hands despite your gross mismangement of the team. It’s a slam dunk. Don’t blow it, Jeanie.

      • I would love it if the Lakers could keep everything behind closed doors. These leaks hurt our negotiating position. I’m not saying a deal won’t get done, but it could cost more then it needed to. Of course LeBron doesn’t care about draft picks or salary cap but do not give the Nets a negotiating advantage. it’s his team and he should be doing what he can for his team to make the best deal they can. And he always does this. He pressures his team to make a deal, regardless of what it does to the team.

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    Aloha,

    Here is a trade with the Pacers using Russ if they really wanted to dump Buddy and a Kyrie trade can’t happen. The Lakers send them Russ, an unprotected 1st and a 2nd. Pacers send Buddy plus 3 of the contracts used for filler in the Brogdon trade. They would probably want to keep Theis in case of a Turner trade. You can have 20 guys under contract during the summer, so the Lakers could take on those 3 guys and Buddy. That would total a little over 30 mil going out to the Lakers. But Buddy has another year at 20 mil so in essence the Pacers save about 3 mil. I could see the Pacer doing that for a distant pick. The Lakers could cut all 3 since 2 are expiring and one has a team option next year. That would also give the Lakers a decent TPE. And reduce salary by about 8 mil.

    Pacers deal

    Aloha,

    Here is a trade with the Pacers using Russ if they really wanted to dump Buddy and a Kyrie trade can’t happen. The Lakers send them Russ, an unprotected 1st and a 2nd. Pacers send Buddy plus 3 of the contracts used for filler in the Brogdon trade. They would probably want to keep Theis in case of a Turner trade. You can have 20 guys under contract during the summer, so the Lakers could take on those 3 guys and Buddy. That would total a little over 30 mil going out to the Lakers. But Buddy has another year at 20 mil so in essence the Pacers save about 3 mil. I could see the Pacer doing that for a distant pick. The Lakers could cut all 3 since 2 are expiring and one has a team option next year. That would also give the Lakers a decent TPE. And reduce salary by about 8 mil.

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    In its effort to protect small market teams from losing their stars, the have created a monster. Damien Lillard has signed an extension for 61 mil a year. That’s half of the salary cap. Lillard is a great player but how do you build a championship level team with half of your cap going to one guy. How can a small market team compete if half their cap is going to one player. It really has gotten out of hand but I don’t know how it’s resolved. The NBA is now controlled by a handful of superstars. What is puzzling to me is why the rank and file members of the union put up with it. They hold the votes yet they allow themselves to get the shaft.

    Monster

    Aloha,

    In its effort to protect small market teams from losing their stars, the have created a monster. Damien Lillard has signed an extension for 61 mil a year. That’s half of the salary cap. Lillard is a great player but how do you build a championship level team with half of your cap going to one guy. How can a small market team compete if half their cap is going to one player. It really has gotten out of hand but I don’t know how it’s resolved. The NBA is now controlled by a handful of superstars. What is puzzling to me is why the rank and file members of the union put up with it. They hold the votes yet they allow themselves to get the shaft.

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    • I’ve posed this question multiple times. 20-30 guys getting all the money and perks, while the remaining 420-30 get the shaft. The only thing I come back to is that if max salaries were limited to something tenable, and the rank and file able to get more for themselves, then the stars would all pack their bags and join up in desirable markets. AKA – it’s anti-Lakers policy. Plain and simple. They’d rather be forced to overpay to keep their guys than to see max deals amount to say only 20-25% of the cap so the top tier guys can all join up in big, cosmopolitan cities.

      I think one thing to temper this down is to limit the teams to one of each max slot. Only the team you signed your first NBA deal with can give you at 30% max deal. Then you have one 25% slot, one 20% slot, and 3 15% slots. They can’t outpace the cap growth, so raises may not be the full 7-12% if the cap doesn’t grow accordingly. Let’s see guys flee small markets or demand trades if they can’t keep their bloated salaries in the process, am I right?

    • It’s almost as if these things weren’t collectively bargained and voted in by both sides. Maybe Lebron rigged the election….Stop The Steal!!!!!

    • I think that there are enough mechanisms in place that allow all teams to compete. We’re seeing the largest market team choosing not to spend, we just saw Memphis blast past the cap to keep most of that core together. The Warriors function as if money didn’t matter and to the owner it probably doesn’t. The real issue I have is players not coming close to honoring contracts. Dame Time asks out next summer and the Blazers will be forced to move him for a lesser return, exactly what we’re seeing Brooklyn deal with for the last year. Stars almready are choosing to leave any market they’re in, the contract isn’t much better than the single ply apocalypse TP folks stockpiled.

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    Aloha,

    James Harden opted out of his 47 mil deal and signed a 2 year deal at 32 mil a year. He did it so the 76ers could be improve the roster for a title run.

    If LeBron is truly interested in championships he would need to do the same. It’s estimated that if LeBron is not already a billionaire, he’s close. Unfortunately i don’t get the sense that LeBron will do that.

    Harden Takes a pay cut

    Aloha,

    James Harden opted out of his 47 mil deal and signed a 2 year deal at 32 mil a year. He did it so the 76ers could be improve the roster for a title run.

    If LeBron is truly interested in championships he would need to do the same. It’s estimated that if LeBron is not already a billionaire, he’s close. Unfortunately i don’t get the sense that LeBron will do that.

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    Lonnie got off to a horrible start from 3 last year. But he found his stroke after the all star break he shot nearly 37% from 3 on 6 attempts. I’m sure that the Lakers are counting on that trend continuing this year. With his youth, ridiculous athleticism, and 6’ 11” wing spam the Lakers gambled on him with their MLE. Our scouting department has been right far more then wrong with these young dudes. We are seeing it again in summer league and it would be huge if they are right about Walker as well.

    Walker IV

    Aloha,

    Lonnie got off to a horrible start from 3 last year. But he found his stroke after the all star break he shot nearly 37% from 3 on 6 attempts. I’m sure that the Lakers are counting on that trend continuing this year. With his youth, ridiculous athleticism, and 6’ 11” wing spam the Lakers gambled on him with their MLE. Our scouting department has been right far more then wrong with these young dudes. We are seeing it again in summer league and it would be huge if they are right about Walker as well.

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    • Whie we probably only signed Walker because of Klutch telling him to take the one year offer to showcase him, I do think he has potential. I’m very interested to see how all of the new players look like in Ham’s offense and defense.

      Looking forward to the changes and seeing the Bucks more modern offense with better spacing for LeBron, AD, and young studs like Lonnie who have the atheticism to take advantage of wide open lanes to the rim.

      Still need the elite shooting from Kyrie and Joe or Seth to put it all together but it’s a game plan that I think has a good chance to succeed and elevate the Lakers back into legitimate contention.

    • I can’t wait for camp. Be interesting to see who is still here and who isn’t. Once that’s settled we’ll be a few weeks away from camp and preseason. Then comes the part of the season where I ignore all the “preseason is meaningless” clickbait and try to discern the patterns and trends that’ll indicate how we’ll do, given good health.

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    I can see why moving Joe Harris as part of the Kyrie deal is important to the Nets. The Nets maybe looking at an immediate rebuild. The Lakers future picks really doesn’t help them much in that regard, but moving Joe Harris does. It clears 19 mil of cap space next year. The Lakers want Curry but he is expiring so there is no benefit to the Knicks. Besides Curry could be a useful trade chip. Contenders are always looking for snipers. The Lakers may have to bite the bullet on Harris get a trade done. Not taking Harris could delay a trade until the deadline or it may not happen at all.

    Joe Harris

    Aloha,

    I can see why moving Joe Harris as part of the Kyrie deal is important to the Nets. The Nets maybe looking at an immediate rebuild. The Lakers future picks really doesn’t help them much in that regard, but moving Joe Harris does. It clears 19 mil of cap space next year. The Lakers want Curry but he is expiring so there is no benefit to the Knicks. Besides Curry could be a useful trade chip. Contenders are always looking for snipers. The Lakers may have to bite the bullet on Harris get a trade done. Not taking Harris could delay a trade until the deadline or it may not happen at all.

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    • The issue with Harris is partly luxury taxes. The Lakers paid $45M, 5th most, and Nets $98M, 2nd most. Neither team wants to increase payroll as a result of the trade. In fact, both would like to reduce salary. Harris makes $18.6 per year while Curry only makes $8.4M. That’s a $10M difference. Eventual trade will likely be a close match with neither team adding salary.

      The other issue with Harris is the second year. Unless LeBron verbally agrees to sign extension, the Lakers will not take back contracts that go beyond how far LeBron has committed, which right now is just next season. That’s why we got stuck with Lonnie Walker IV. He’s all we could get offering just 1 year. Now we’re saying we won’t take Harris because of the second year.

      Then there’s the draft picks. We’ll give up one I think but need the second one to move THT and Nunn. Solution then is to expand trade to include THT and Nunn but in the end, the Nets don’t have enough 1-year deals other than Curry to make this trade work. So Lakers will have to take back multi-year contracts.

      At some point, LeBron has to realize that he needs to commit so that Rob can close the deal. Or demand a trade. Can’t sit on the effing fence like he is doing right now without risking wasting this valuable one of the few remaining years in his championship window.

      • This is typical LeBron. The problem is, he’s always left, leaving his team hanging. While I have no desire to sign Kyrie beyond this year, there is a better chance at a ring then with Russ. We will see how important another championship is too LeBron.

      • The issue with Harris is he has bad ankles…

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    Aloha,

    The Laker kids had another blow out win over the Warriors 100 to 77. There were contributions from a lot of different players.

    One thing I can’t understand is why the NBA does not have a true minor league like baseball. I’m sure it’s all about the small market but it’s not fair for teams that spend more on scouting and development. These teams can find hidden gems and develop them, and then watch other teams pick them off.

    Huff is really looking like a keeper, but our two ways, Pippin and Swider are as well. We will need to keep 2 roster spots open for a potential Kyrie trade. Unless we find a 2 for one trade Huff will be fair game down the road.

    Even expanding the number of two ways to four or five players would be helpful. As it is with the salary cap rules that favor the small markets, the G league does as well.

    Lakers Blow Out Warriors

    Aloha,

    The Laker kids had another blow out win over the Warriors 100 to 77. There were contributions from a lot of different players.

    One thing I can’t understand is why the NBA does not have a true minor league like baseball. I’m sure it’s all about the small market but it’s not fair for teams that spend more on scouting and development. These teams can find hidden gems and develop them, and then watch other teams pick them off.

    Huff is really looking like a keeper, but our two ways, Pippin and Swider are as well. We will need to keep 2 roster spots open for a potential Kyrie trade. Unless we find a 2 for one trade Huff will be fair game down the road.

    Even expanding the number of two ways to four or five players would be helpful. As it is with the salary cap rules that favor the small markets, the G league does as well.

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    • Great points, Michael. The league need to evolve by increasing the number of two-way players on route to allowing the team to control all the players on their G-League team.

    • I can’t remember the last time I enjoy watching the Laker’s summer league play. Probably that year Kuzma and the boys went on a rampage and played like men among boys. This Lakers’ summer league squad is loaded. The front office has some very difficult decisions to make. No doubt. Also, just like I suggested during the pandemic hardships last season, Jay Huff should be given a roster spot. McClung? He is that good. I mean, I could go on and on. This Lakers squad is very impressive. They play defense and can shoot too.

    • “These teams can find hidden gems and develop them, and then watch other teams pick them off.”

      That is exactly what I never understood. That needs to change for the sake of fairness and make retention of your own players a reward.

    • I think a couple of things affect the G-League to NBA pathway. #1 it’s still a relatively new development kn terms of the CBA, it’ll take time for there to be an easier and quicker pipeline between the two. #2 not every team has a G league team, its not mandatory and thats why the league created the non affiliated G-league team (The Ignite, I believe…).I think they will soon, potentially in the next CBA. #3 Coaches may not be all that excited throwing a guy out there who hasnt practiced with the team, been a part of film sessions or knows the habits and tendencies of the other players on the team. Lastly, and this is a pessimistic way of looking atvghjngs,nobody wants to see some two-way guy take out a well paid superstar and make them miss time. It gets bad enough when a vet minimum or some such player does. Having said that I think they will look to add more mechanisms for more two way guys to get PT.

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    Aloha,

    Taking a closer look at our incoming 1st rounders it is not as daunting as I thought. 2024 is the last year we may not get a pick. But because of a deferment option in 2024 and swap rights. We can’t trade a pick until 2027. So In reality we will have a first round pick every year but one moving forward. That to me makes trading one or both of our tradable picks a little more tolerable. I would tell the Nets we will take Harris but you only get one pick.

    We will get picks.

    Aloha,

    Taking a closer look at our incoming 1st rounders it is not as daunting as I thought. 2024 is the last year we may not get a pick. But because of a deferment option in 2024 and swap rights. We can’t trade a pick until 2027. So In reality we will have a first round pick every year but one moving forward. That to me makes trading one or both of our tradable picks a little more tolerable. I would tell the Nets we will take Harris but you only get one pick.

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    • If we do agree to trade future picks they should go out with protection, in case we are really bad by then.

      • With all of the unprotected picks the Nets gave the Rockets and the Hawks and Wolves gave the Spurs and Jazz, the Lakers should not hesitate to give picks with no protection. Kill any pick swaps as they make odd year picks untradeable but picks will have to be unprotected for the deal to go through.

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    Aloha,

    Have you wondered how Walker ended up as our MLE signing? I read a disturbing little blurb about our free agency stance. Apparently we ended up with Walker as our MLE signing because the Lakers were not offering a 2nd year, even with a player option, which is standard with MLE signings. We may have lost Otto Porter Jr because of this.

    Now the Lakers are resisting taking Joe Harris back in a Kyrie trade. Yes he makes twice as much as Curry and yes he has two years left on his deal, while Curry is a expiring contract, but his contract isn’t terrible. And if it’s winning that matters Joe is a much better fit. He is a knock down 3 point shooter and at 6’ 6” he has the size you want at the 2. Plus he can defend a little, while Curry is a liability.

    Now I’m no fan of Kyrie, and At this point I’m probably against resigning him. But for one year bringing him in along with Harris would give us a legitimate shot at a title. With Kyrie and Harris shooting we could plug in Stanley at the 3 for defensive purposes and we would have a very strong starting line up. You couldn’t really start Curry with Kyrie because they would just be too small.

    Pay the money Jeanie, titles are hard to come by. Worry about Joes contract next year.

    How badly does Jeanie want another championship

    Aloha,

    Have you wondered how Walker ended up as our MLE signing? I read a disturbing little blurb about our free agency stance. Apparently we ended up with Walker as our MLE signing because the Lakers were not offering a 2nd year, even with a player option, which is standard with MLE signings. We may have lost Otto Porter Jr because of this.

    Now the Lakers are resisting taking Joe Harris back in a Kyrie trade. Yes he makes twice as much as Curry and yes he has two years left on his deal, while Curry is a expiring contract, but his contract isn’t terrible. And if it’s winning that matters Joe is a much better fit. He is a knock down 3 point shooter and at 6’ 6” he has the size you want at the 2. Plus he can defend a little, while Curry is a liability.

    Now I’m no fan of Kyrie, and At this point I’m probably against resigning him. But for one year bringing him in along with Harris would give us a legitimate shot at a title. With Kyrie and Harris shooting we could plug in Stanley at the 3 for defensive purposes and we would have a very strong starting line up. You couldn’t really start Curry with Kyrie because they would just be too small.

    Pay the money Jeanie, titles are hard to come by. Worry about Joes contract next year.

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    • None of the guys who took the TPLMLE were really worth a squat, and LW was yet another bone thrown into the, according to Tom, oh-so-beneficial Klutch alliance. At least this way the Klutch bums all expire with their self-serving egomaniac boss. Other than AD, who should be tradeable still, barring a truly catastrophic injury.

    • It’s disturbing to no end to hear things like this, MIchael. Lakers desperately need this trade and will be set back by 1 or 2 years if this trade does not go through. Refusing to take Harris because of a second year on his contract? I view the second year as an advantage because we could have him locked for two years.

      While it’s not a guarantee the Lakers will be winners because of Kyries’ baggage, there is no way the Lakers don’t do this deal because they want Curry or won’t make picks unprotected. Do what you have to, Rob, but don’t come home empty handed. If you do, you should lose your job. And Jeanie Buss better be ready to pay luxury taxes to keep Kyrie if he cleans his act up. You’re in the big leagues now, Jeanie. Don’t fuck up.

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    Aloha,

    One of the fun aspects of the NBA off season is all the speculation as to where different players could be traded to different teams. Writers look at a player that a team wants to move or the player themselves wants out and they come up with trade scenarios that excite fans and insure clicks, especially if it’s the Lakers. The big problem of course is these trades never look at why both teams would do the deal. And if they rarely ever happen.

    When Pincus wrote an article on how the Lakers could move Westbrook, he made it clear that these were just examples
    of what could be done, not anything that was in the works. He pointed out that the Pacers had 2 contracts in Brogdon and Buddy, that may no longer fit in their plans and they may be willing to dump. This took the internet by storm. Before long a slew of writers were parroting the same trade. In many fans minds this was a done deal. But no one was really asking why the Pacers would just dump two quality players with value on the market. As it turns out the Pacers are good business people and moved Brogdon for 4 players and more importantly a first round pick in next years draft, not two distant picks that the lakers have to offer. They can cut 3 of those players and it would cost them 3 mil. Theis was the fourth and he is a very good backup center that they can keep or trade. Plus they still have Buddy for the bench or a future trade. Good shooters have value in this league.

    OKC was another popular destination among writers, because OKC has a history of taking on salary for draft picks. But we are talking 47 mil here. OKC only had 18 mil in bad contracts that they had to send back but both were expiring deals. And could be traded in smaller deals or cut for far less. So the suggestion that they would take on an additional 30 mil for one 1st in 5 years seemed a absurd to me. Especially when considering that beginning in 2026 they have 2 first round picks each year through 2029.

    The only proposal I actually took seriously was the Hornets rumors because those were actually coming from the Hornets camp. Plus MJ is a terrible owner and talent evaluator. Even worse then Magic. Alas now that Bridges has been charged with felony abuse any trade for Hayward or Oubre is probably off the table until this situation is resolved.

    There were other proposals but those were the most realistic. We never were going to get Randle for Russ or Grant for THT and Nunn alor other crazy things.

    This brings us to Kyrie. Like I’m fond of saying, never say never, still dumping him, while bringing in even more salary would not be good business. And including Joe Harris and THT in the deal would be criminal, considering he could be moved for something useful. In this case a lot of what happens, depends on what happens with KD. Neither Kyrie or KD have played much and the Nets don’t owe them anything. The Nets are in a position to play hardball. KD is under contract for 4 years. So if they don’t receive a package they like, they have the next couple of years to find one they do. A KD trade is the only way I see Kyrie being dumped. Now this is about as real as these click bait proposals get. Still, like I’m also fond of saying, I’m not holding my breathe.

    The problem with click baits

    Aloha,

    One of the fun aspects of the NBA off season is all the speculation as to where different players could be traded to different teams. Writers look at a player that a team wants to move or the player themselves wants out and they come up with trade scenarios that excite fans and insure clicks, especially if it’s the Lakers. The big problem of course is these trades never look at why both teams would do the deal. And if they rarely ever happen.

    When Pincus wrote an article on how the Lakers could move Westbrook, he made it clear that these were just examples
    of what could be done, not anything that was in the works. He pointed out that the Pacers had 2 contracts in Brogdon and Buddy, that may no longer fit in their plans and they may be willing to dump. This took the internet by storm. Before long a slew of writers were parroting the same trade. In many fans minds this was a done deal. But no one was really asking why the Pacers would just dump two quality players with value on the market. As it turns out the Pacers are good business people and moved Brogdon for 4 players and more importantly a first round pick in next years draft, not two distant picks that the lakers have to offer. They can cut 3 of those players and it would cost them 3 mil. Theis was the fourth and he is a very good backup center that they can keep or trade. Plus they still have Buddy for the bench or a future trade. Good shooters have value in this league.

    OKC was another popular destination among writers, because OKC has a history of taking on salary for draft picks. But we are talking 47 mil here. OKC only had 18 mil in bad contracts that they had to send back but both were expiring deals. And could be traded in smaller deals or cut for far less. So the suggestion that they would take on an additional 30 mil for one 1st in 5 years seemed a absurd to me. Especially when considering that beginning in 2026 they have 2 first round picks each year through 2029.

    The only proposal I actually took seriously was the Hornets rumors because those were actually coming from the Hornets camp. Plus MJ is a terrible owner and talent evaluator. Even worse then Magic. Alas now that Bridges has been charged with felony abuse any trade for Hayward or Oubre is probably off the table until this situation is resolved.

    There were other proposals but those were the most realistic. We never were going to get Randle for Russ or Grant for THT and Nunn alor other crazy things.

    This brings us to Kyrie. Like I’m fond of saying, never say never, still dumping him, while bringing in even more salary would not be good business. And including Joe Harris and THT in the deal would be criminal, considering he could be moved for something useful. In this case a lot of what happens, depends on what happens with KD. Neither Kyrie or KD have played much and the Nets don’t owe them anything. The Nets are in a position to play hardball. KD is under contract for 4 years. So if they don’t receive a package they like, they have the next couple of years to find one they do. A KD trade is the only way I see Kyrie being dumped. Now this is about as real as these click bait proposals get. Still, like I’m also fond of saying, I’m not holding my breathe.

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    • The articles leading up to the draft/free agency are 90% bullsh!t. Guys like Woj & Shams don’t have any real “inside” info…they’re just parroting what they’ve been spoon-fed by the agents & GM’s and the bloggers take it & run with it. None of these “journalists” are actually in the room.

      As for the hardball question…you can play hardball all you want but these players & agents all talk to each other and that stance can bite you in the azz down the road when you’re trying to get free agents to your franchise. That’s one of the main reasons the superstars usually get their way in these things and the teams rarely get equal value in return. Like one analyst said yesterday…in the NBA, 4 quarters don’t necessarily equal a dollar.

      • The other thing everybody forgets when they talk about teams not wanting to help the Lakers or Kyrie Irving is that the Nets will do what is best for them, including trading Kyrie to the Lakers for Russ if that is the best deal they can get for Kyrie. They may not go out of their way to help the Lakers or Kyrie but they’re clearly not going to do anything but what is best for the Nets.

    • I don’t parrot that stuff, it’s mainly from when we traded Shaq and ended up with not Dwayne Wade. Also from the failed Kobe trade demand. You have to look at why a team not named The Los Angeles Lakers would make a trade. The problem with the whole period between being booted from contention and the opening of free agency is anyone with a job as sports writer needs to fill content. They can’t just take a few weeks. Since the league cracks down on teams and players for prediscussing anything at all they frame it all as semi or actual fact and then fans repeat it as being even more of a certainty. This is why a lot of Laker fans get worked up when they would be better off just being objective.

    • Aloha, Michael,

      I still see Kyrie logically ending up on the Lakers and Russ leaving. Sometimes, you just have to believe something good is going to happen instead of always expecting the worst. Of course, it’s hard not to have those feelings considering the hole the Lakers have dug for themselves.

      Odds are heavily in favor of the Lakers ending up with Kyrie. Doesn’t mean something could spoil the ending or that Kyrie won’t be a huge disappointment due to his weird personality and behavior.

      Just means thay the Lakers are favorites to get Kyrie and he is a superior player and fit than Russell Westbrook. That’s why I think it’s silly to continue to post negative expectations when things are looking up.

      • What you call negative, Tom, I call realistic. There is a reason none of these proposals ever happen. They don’t have a balanced approach and look at both sides to see if there is value for the other team. And If the other team could do better. You told me that teams would line up for Russ to dump salary. You literally guaranteed that the Pacer deal was a done deal at one point to me. There is nothing wrong with posting these proposals but I do think it’s silly to talk down to people along with your lol’s and Lmao’s sprinkled in when someone disagrees. Like I said in my post I took the Hornets semi seriously because it was coming from the Hornets camp, not a random writer. At this point I don’t know if the Hornets will do anything at this time because of the Bridges situation. They may still, but I could see them keeping Hayward in the short term until they can sort out a plan to move on without him. I also never said a Kyrie deal will not happen. It could but again I think my caution is realistic. Im not privy to the Nets discussions. It could happen this summer or it could happen at the trade deadline or not at all. A lot depends on KD, and word is they just upped their asking price after the Gorbet trade to the T-Wolves. They have him for 4 years so I’m sure they will take their time to find the right deal. That could take time. And they really do need that sorted out. Like I said I never say never. But I try to stay realistic and look at all sides of a transaction. Who knows, there could even be a team that is willing to give up something better then Russ and his 47 mil even if it’s for a one year rental. Perhaps a team could make a deal sending less in salary, not more. Along with a draft pick in the next year or two. Probably won’t happen but it could, and if it does the Nets would do it. These trade proposals happen every singe year, and every single year they don’t happen. I will save me excitement for when it does happen.

        • You make excellent points, Michael. What you call realistic is just pessimistic to me but that’s why we blog. I surely don’t mean my lol’s or smh’s to be talking down to you. Just expressing my amazement at your constant negativity, excuse me, ‘realism.’

          In the end, no NBA team is going to offer the Nets more than expiring contracts and two unprotected first round draft picks to trade for Kyrie Irving. That’s why Russ will be leaving and Kyrie will be coming. It’s just a matter of time and addressing the KD situation. Something wild related to that is the only way to derail Kyrie to the Lakers at this point IMO.

          • Tom I truly hope you are right this time. And it does help for me that the Nets are actually talking. Most of the proposals are just dreamed up by writers Looking for clicks. It would be huge if a deal is made and Kyrie can stay on his meds and not slip into crazy mode😂 It’s a contract year so he needs to behave himself if he wants to get paid.

            • Thanks, Michael. I don’t remember if it was you or Jamie who said something like the only thing that could save the Lakers’ offseason might be something crazy happening that shook the league. Now that was a prescient statement because that’s exactly what happened.

              Seriously, the Los Angeles Lakers did almost everything wrong last offseason but through a fluke of good fortune, the Brooklyn Nets imploded and Kyrie Irving was left with nowhere to go but to the Lakers. There’s a good chance we’re going to be able to turn Russ into Kyrie. And no, even a glass overflowing guy like me would not have predicted that.

              It’s funny. I always loved Russ from his UCLA days so it was easy to get behind him when he became a Laker. Just like it was easy to get behind LeBron when he became a Laker. It won’t be as easy with Kyrie, whom I’ve ridiculed and laughed at for the chaos and dysfunction he causes, as exhausting as Russ’ shot selection and carelessness with the ball.

            • LOL. You’re right, Michael. Swapping Russ for Kyrie saves us from sure disaster but could expose us to future disaster. The best part of any deal is we’ll have a year to see how this works before having to commit to Kyrie long term. And this should assure that LeBron signs the extension so we have two sure years of he and AD. Fingers crossed.

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    Aloha,

    The more I think about it, the more I don’t see a Kyrie trade happening this summer. While I always say never say never, I’m not confident. The Nets have stated that will not help him, and why should they? They know he’s leaving so they don’t have to make him happy. He’s barely played so there is no loyalty angle and they know they always have the Lakers in their back pocket in case they decide to trade him. Russ makes a 11 mil more then Kyrie does and to make the trade they need to add to a little extra salary. Why trade another player to make Kyrie happy? Why take on that much money for a player they don’t want? I’ve heard the proposal to add THT and bring back Joe Harris as well. Why would they do that? That would hurt the team. Joe Harris is a quality player and can bring back a better return then THT, like the Pacers did with Brogdon. I think their best move is to enter the season with Kyrie and see what happens. They can always revisit the trade at the deadline. By then a big chunk of Westbrooks salary will have already been paid. And if KD is still there, they might even be contending and keep him. This is a business and I believe the Nets will do what’s best for business.

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    Aloha,

    The more I think about it, the more I don’t see a Kyrie trade happening this summer. While I always say never say never, I’m not confident. The Nets have stated that will not help him, and why should they? They know he’s leaving so they don’t have to make him happy. He’s barely played so there is no loyalty angle and they know they always have the Lakers in their back pocket in case they decide to trade him. Russ makes a 11 mil more then Kyrie does and to make the trade they need to add to a little extra salary. Why trade another player to make Kyrie happy? Why take on that much money for a player they don’t want? I’ve heard the proposal to add THT and bring back Joe Harris as well. Why would they do that? That would hurt the team. Joe Harris is a quality player and can bring back a better return then THT, like the Pacers did with Brogdon. I think their best move is to enter the season with Kyrie and see what happens. They can always revisit the trade at the deadline. By then a big chunk of Westbrooks salary will have already been paid. And if KD is still there, they might even be contending and keep him. This is a business and I believe the Nets will do what’s best for business.

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    • Michael, I think you have helped temper my expectations of Kyrie coming to the Lakers a little bit. I was getting so overconfident about the possibility that I fail to err on the side of caution. I had to recalibrate the way I was looking at the whole situation after reading your post. It is full of cautionary points, and they all made sense. Thanks for the post.

      • Kyrie is a different dude. Clearly didn’t care about the money and sat out due to his vax stance. You think he won’t just not show up in this case? He’s a pro athlete, and a fragile one at that – you don’t think there’s a knee that couldn’t use a scope, or some other lingering injury that an NBA doc will sign off on? Nets don’t have much leverage either. That said a combo of oft-injured guys in AD & Kyrie with a fast fading Lebron likely don’t make much noise next season, and there may not be much beyond.

        • Thanks for the well-written answer, @therealhtj. I agree with both you and Jamie. I am basing my opinion on a change of scenery and the fact that people learn from their mistakes. Compared to the Nets, the Lakers have the better angle to tame him. Also, I have always believed that people learn from their mistakes. Another thing to keep in mind, Durant is not the kind of leader who is suited for knuckleheads like Kyrie. With a different kind of leadership, we may have a different situation. But I agree with all that you said.

    • Exactly. They just endured an entire season of basically not having Kyrie until 2/3’s of the way through. Granted they had a motivated KD and James Harden. They have almost none of their draft picks, same as us. Every good player just re-upped with their current team or did that last summer. They already have a $37 million dollar deal expiring next summer in Kyrie, they don’t need to lose another quality player just to pick up Russell for even more expiring money. They will want draft picks and not ones 4-5 years out but next summer. If you watch the draft special from Lakers Fastbreak Tom was really trying to speak into existence and I applaud him for his dedication to the sunny side of the street but the reality is the Nets will probably work from a strategic place like Michael indicated.

    • Joe Tsai is done with all this stuff and Kyrie & KD won’t play another game in a Nets uniform. And he’ll be the proud owner of a 40 win franchise for a coupla years. The fact of the matter is that once a superstar player decides he wants to be traded, he gets traded (regardless of how many years left on his contract) and it’s almost always to one of his preferred destinations. The nature of basketball is that when one of your top players is unhappy it has an outsized effect on the entire organization. That’s why the Nets won’t keep them and they won’t end up someplace they don’t wanna be. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see KD expand his list of preferred destinations.

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    One thing I noticed this year is teams guys that were considered possible vet minimum player a little more then the minimum. And teams with the full MLE gave players a little more then the tax payer MLE. The Lakers were really handcuffed by this, since we had so little to work with. With that in mind the Lakers did pretty well. The only bummer was DiVencenzo was let go after we committed to Walker IV. Although Walker is a Klutch guy so that was probably pre-ordained

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    One thing I noticed this year is teams guys that were considered possible vet minimum player a little more then the minimum. And teams with the full MLE gave players a little more then the tax payer MLE. The Lakers were really handcuffed by this, since we had so little to work with. With that in mind the Lakers did pretty well. The only bummer was DiVencenzo was let go after we committed to Walker IV. Although Walker is a Klutch guy so that was probably pre-ordained

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    • Three things that caught my attention.

      First, almost every player the Lakers were supposedly targeting ended up getting paid more than the Lakers could pay with just the MLE. Waiting to confirm this but that’s the sense I got. Lakers would have needed somebody to take less and they didn’t.

      Second, was Klutch Sports the backup? Who was helping whom is always the question. Hopefully a win-win. I value the Klutch/Lakers alliance and hope we continue to take advantage of it so I’m happy to see

      Third, I agree with you that we really got a lot younger, taller, and longer with the players we added. The guys we got we’re probably guys Darvin thought could be plus defenders and competitors. Now we will need to develop them but that’s supposedly our staff’s strength.

      But we need the shooting, scoring, and playmaking Kyrie and another shooter could bring us. It’s a gift from the basketball gods if it happens and the perfect solution for the Lakers. If it works, it could be multiple championships for Lakers and each of their three stars.

      Kyrie and I think a rebounding LeBron and AD will transform the Lakers superstar long range shooting game. Frankly, we could even win with Reaves at the 2 and Jones at the 5 for defense. Suddenly, the Lakers Big Three fit problems are solved.

      • May as well have blown it up. This team has a 47 win ceiling currently.

        • I’d say 55ish if health is on our side all season long which is a huuuuge if.

          • I’m taking into account reasonable health from AD (60 or so games) and maybe a handful or more from Bron while only showing a slight decline from his already slight decline. Throw in a bunch of “hey, he’s still in the league?” guys and that’s where I come up with my number – a possible avoidance of the playin. Get Kyrie without sacrificing too much depth and relative health, and I could see that 55 number come to fruition. The floor in both cases with bad injury luck (or do we call it luck or just who they are at this point) is another struggle to make the play-in.

      • I think the ‘more than the Lakers could afford’ is more a reflection of the level of competition the playin and lottery odds have created than anything. Houston, San Antonio and Orlando…maybe Sacramento are the only 4 I have as being 100% not competing for a playoff spot. After that it’s wide open to at least get in and make some noise. Second we had chump change to offer. Lastly , and mainly due to teams embracing building from an analytics model, everyone is looking for the exact same thing. It’s why Cleveland so surprised everyone playing in a more traditional style with two bigs who don’t really can threes. Lakers had an uphill climb and got players in their price range. No surprises from where I’m sitting.

        • This will be a far better defensive team than last year. The two way guys were out of our price range so you pick something a guys does well. In every case each guy can defends. Walker IV is as athletic as Monk, can really defend and attacks the basket well. But he’s not a good 3 point shooter. Troy shot around the league average from 3 and defends. I think they were both signed because they still have upside. Both are younger then Malik. A guy like Tony Sell is still out there. Very good defender and .398 from 3 lifetime. He’s just 30 so he can be useful as is Thomas Bryant if he can stay healthy and return to pre injury form. Unfortunately we may not make any further moves until the Kyrie situation is resolved. The more I look at it, the less optimistic I am that something will happen. The Nets have stated they won’t help him. And really why should they? It’s not like he is a beloved long time Net. If they can get a haul for KD and the Nets go full rebuild, then maybe. But KD has no leverage so they will not trade him for anything less then they feel is a fair return.

    • We did what we could with what we had to work with.

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    KD said he wouldn’t accept a trade to the Heat unless they keep Lowrey, Bam and Butler. Really? why in the world would the Nets trade him under those conditions. Hero is the only other real good player left and he only makes 5. 5 mil. Duncan Robinson? Please. This super star entitlement thing has to end. If the Nets can’t get back a quality package they should just tell him no. And if say the Kings offer a great package I would tell KD, enjoy Sac town dude.

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    Aloha

    KD said he wouldn’t accept a trade to the Heat unless they keep Lowrey, Bam and Butler. Really? why in the world would the Nets trade him under those conditions. Hero is the only other real good player left and he only makes 5. 5 mil. Duncan Robinson? Please. This super star entitlement thing has to end. If the Nets can’t get back a quality package they should just tell him no. And if say the Kings offer a great package I would tell KD, enjoy Sac town dude.

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    Well another Russ target is off the board. Brogdon has been traded to the Celtics for Nesmith, Theis and a first round pick next year. I’m not surprised. That is the way teams move contracts they don’t want, especially when it’s a quality player like Brogdon.

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    Aloha

    Well another Russ target is off the board. Brogdon has been traded to the Celtics for Nesmith, Theis and a first round pick next year. I’m not surprised. That is the way teams move contracts they don’t want, especially when it’s a quality player like Brogdon.

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    • The Pacers hold a team option for Neismith this year and Theis next year. So they can cut them for very little if they choose too. That’s how it’s done.

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