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    Aloha

    Found this today.

    t appears the Los Angeles Lakers are interested in reuniting with a player that last suited up for the franchise in 2018.

    NBA insider Marc Stein reported during a Spotify live session on Saturday (h/t Darryn Albert of Larry Brown Sports) that the Purple & Gold may pursue Julius Randle if the New York Knicks land Donovan Mitchell in a trade with the Utah Jazz this summer.

    Stein added that the Lakers wouldn’t mind taking on the remainder of Randle’s four-year, $117 million contract. He is owed $23.7 million in 2022-23 and his salary increases each season until he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2026.

    The article went on to say the Lakers could be involved in the Mitchell to the Knicks trade.

    Did a little trade machine exercise that worked.

    Knicks receive Mitchell.

    Lakers receive Randle and Mike Conley.

    Utah receives Westbrook, and a couple of the Knicks young prospects. many different combinations work. Of course there would be a lot of picks involved. Anyway it could be another angle.

    Randle

    Aloha

    Found this today.

    t appears the Los Angeles Lakers are interested in reuniting with a player that last suited up for the franchise in 2018.

    NBA insider Marc Stein reported during a Spotify live session on Saturday (h/t Darryn Albert of Larry Brown Sports) that the Purple & Gold may pursue Julius Randle if the New York Knicks land Donovan Mitchell in a trade with the Utah Jazz this summer.

    Stein added that the Lakers wouldn’t mind taking on the remainder of Randle’s four-year, $117 million contract. He is owed $23.7 million in 2022-23 and his salary increases each season until he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2026.

    The article went on to say the Lakers could be involved in the Mitchell to the Knicks trade.

    Did a little trade machine exercise that worked.

    Knicks receive Mitchell.

    Lakers receive Randle and Mike Conley.

    Utah receives Westbrook, and a couple of the Knicks young prospects. many different combinations work. Of course there would be a lot of picks involved. Anyway it could be another angle.

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    • That works for me perfectly, especially with Randle. I have been yapping about our need for a bruising power forward since last year, and Randle is the perfect prototype. Conley adds another steady leadership and can be relied upon for his shot-making ability and moving without the ball. I will go for this trade in a heartbeat and not look back.

    • The Lakers should definitely be rooting for the Knicks to land Mitchell as it opens up another option for moving Russell Westbrook. Wouldn’t rank the Knicks as the Lakers best trade partner but it always helps to have multiple teams interested in taking Russ to get the Lakers two draft picks. Right now, it appears the Lakers have multiple teams interested.

      The big question, of course, is what are the Lakers willing to give up to move Russ and THT and get back the three or four shooters they need to at least make the playoffs in the worst case or be a legitimate contender in the best case. While the latter may need a miracle, the Lakers having a shot at Kyrie qualifies as a miracle.

      Right now, Kyrie and Harris or Curry is Plan A and Turner and Hield Plan B. Not sure where the Knicks and Jazz stand. At any rate, even though it grates me that we might pass on a Russ trade because of a distant first round pick, making a limited trade with Utah or New York that doesn’t make us a contender is probably still a better option than keeping Russ. In my opinion, there is no option that involves keeping Russ.

      I have mixed feelings about Julius, both from a fit and a contract standpoint. He’s a 4/5, which we really don’t need. His hot shooting from three appears to be an outlier. And he has a 4-year contract. Julius has upside but he also has killer downside. Utah probably has better more easily moved rotation players than the Knicks. At least that’s what I think now.

      Personally, I’d have no problem rooting for Julius as I’ve always liked him as a player and thought he had Draymnd Green potential to impact a game as a small ball five with scoring, rebounding, passing, and defending. In the end, I’d take him over Russ any day of the year.

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    Aloha,

    While the league remains on pause waiting for the KD and Mitchell situation to be resolved the Lakers find themselves frozen in place as well. With the Pacers trade talks dead and Kyrie tied to the outcome of the KD drama what are other moves the Lakers could consider? By the way with COVID roaring back in California one wonders if the Lakers would even consider Kyrie at this point. You don’t trade for a guy to sit out most of a season.

    A couple of little blurbs caught my attention, one from Shams that the Lakers have chatted with the Jazz. While there hasn’t been a lot of details, the speculation is that the trade would center around Conley and Bogdanovic.

    First I would view this as a LeBron window trade. It would be a two year deal in my mind and while it may not make us a title favorite, it could give the team at least a punchers chance.

    Conley is the perfect point guard for a LeBron team. He can play off the ball, and shoot the 3. He was over 40% the last couple of years. While he is no longer is the bull dog on defense he was with the Griz, he’s still pretty good and much better then either Kyrie or Russ.

    Bogdanovic is a lifetime .392 3 point shooter. He is 6’ 8” so he would add some size to our forward rotation. While he is hardly a defensive stopper, he has a high BB I.Q and is decent in a team defensive scheme.

    Bogdanovic is in the last year of his contract, while Conley has 2 years left with the last year only partially guaranteed. So there isn’t any long term salary baggage to worry about. While this isn’t the sexiest deal and by no means a long term solution, it might be the best we can do to rid ourselves of Russ.

    Maybe the Jazz?

    Aloha,

    While the league remains on pause waiting for the KD and Mitchell situation to be resolved the Lakers find themselves frozen in place as well. With the Pacers trade talks dead and Kyrie tied to the outcome of the KD drama what are other moves the Lakers could consider? By the way with COVID roaring back in California one wonders if the Lakers would even consider Kyrie at this point. You don’t trade for a guy to sit out most of a season.

    A couple of little blurbs caught my attention, one from Shams that the Lakers have chatted with the Jazz. While there hasn’t been a lot of details, the speculation is that the trade would center around Conley and Bogdanovic.

    First I would view this as a LeBron window trade. It would be a two year deal in my mind and while it may not make us a title favorite, it could give the team at least a punchers chance.

    Conley is the perfect point guard for a LeBron team. He can play off the ball, and shoot the 3. He was over 40% the last couple of years. While he is no longer is the bull dog on defense he was with the Griz, he’s still pretty good and much better then either Kyrie or Russ.

    Bogdanovic is a lifetime .392 3 point shooter. He is 6’ 8” so he would add some size to our forward rotation. While he is hardly a defensive stopper, he has a high BB I.Q and is decent in a team defensive scheme.

    Bogdanovic is in the last year of his contract, while Conley has 2 years left with the last year only partially guaranteed. So there isn’t any long term salary baggage to worry about. While this isn’t the sexiest deal and by no means a long term solution, it might be the best we can do to rid ourselves of Russ.

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    • I’ve yet to see a single scenario that makes us a favorite to even get outta the 2nd round. I think that’s why Rob is so willing to roll the dice on Kyrie….could catch fire but could also burn down the whole damn building. Gotta take that risk I guess..lol

      • There’s an argument the Lakers should have a puncher’s chance to win #18 next season if:

        (1) We’re able to swap Russ for a few legitimate rotation players.

        (2) We can finish a top 6 seed in the West

        (3) We go into the playoffs with a healthy, rested, and motivated LeBron James and Anthony Davis.

        Lots of ifs. Here’s my ranking of possible trades:

        1. Kyrie and Harris
        2. Turner and Hield
        3. Conley and Bogdanovic
        4. Randle and Fournier

        Were we able to get Kyrie, we could even end up as favorites. I think we would be favorites for 6th seed if we got Turner and Hield. We’re a play-in team if we take ther other trades. We miss the playoffs again and pray we get the chance to pick Victor Wembanyama if we keep Russ.

    • I think if LeBron and Davis are healthy and dominant, we have a chance. If not, Pfff. The rest doesn’t matter.

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    Aloha,

    Well apparently Dennis wants to come back to the Lakers. I can’t see that happening as long as we have Nunn. He is also a very good defender but he’s a better shooter and can play off the ball. But if Nunn happened to end up in a trade, Dennis wouldn’t be bad as a back up PG. I did like his defensive intensity.

    Dennis anyone?

    Aloha,

    Well apparently Dennis wants to come back to the Lakers. I can’t see that happening as long as we have Nunn. He is also a very good defender but he’s a better shooter and can play off the ball. But if Nunn happened to end up in a trade, Dennis wouldn’t be bad as a back up PG. I did like his defensive intensity.

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    Aloha,

    When you read all of these different articles by all of these different “insiders” with an astounding number of different takes one thing is apparent to me. No one knows what the f**k is going on.

    There have been two recents reports that may give a little insight into what is actually going on behind the scenes. Kyrie recent 360 is one. Now he says he wants to return to the Nets whether KD is there or not.

    The other is LeBron, Russ and AD getting together for their phone pow wow that led to a commitment to make it work.

    However these two reports could be telling. All of the parties involved maybe hearing from their clubs and their agents that there is a strong possibility that a trade isn’t going to happen.

    I must admit that I was seduced by the click bait for awhile and believed that a trade would surely happen. But as time passes I am no longer confident that we will see one. At least not a blockbuster trade. As a matter of fact I am leaning more towards no trade happening then a trade will. Unfortunately we have a few more months of this before camp opens, so we will have a few more months of these endless trade scenarios. The only people that will be happy about this are the click bait traffickers.

    No one knows

    Aloha,

    When you read all of these different articles by all of these different “insiders” with an astounding number of different takes one thing is apparent to me. No one knows what the f**k is going on.

    There have been two recents reports that may give a little insight into what is actually going on behind the scenes. Kyrie recent 360 is one. Now he says he wants to return to the Nets whether KD is there or not.

    The other is LeBron, Russ and AD getting together for their phone pow wow that led to a commitment to make it work.

    However these two reports could be telling. All of the parties involved maybe hearing from their clubs and their agents that there is a strong possibility that a trade isn’t going to happen.

    I must admit that I was seduced by the click bait for awhile and believed that a trade would surely happen. But as time passes I am no longer confident that we will see one. At least not a blockbuster trade. As a matter of fact I am leaning more towards no trade happening then a trade will. Unfortunately we have a few more months of this before camp opens, so we will have a few more months of these endless trade scenarios. The only people that will be happy about this are the click bait traffickers.

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    • “No one knows what the f**k is going on.”
      -Michael H.

      This is the Quote Of The Summer.

      But then the article proceeds for 4 more paragraphs based on info from “sources”. Journalism has become a sad joke but we can’t help ourselves even while knowing it’s mostly bullsh!t.

    • Meanwhile, multiple credible sources inside MLB are suggesting Kershaw’s first pitch tonight might be a strike. But the Dodgers likely won’t trade him if it’s a ball.

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    Aloha,

    just a thought on how the Lakers could
    improve without Kyrie on 2 moves. To many if’s to happen but there would be some logic to it. I’ve posted before about OG Anunoby and how would love to have this 24 year old two way SF on the Lakers. But here comes the if’s.

    If the Raptors pivot from KD trade, likely. And if they fail to land a center they like, unlikely, then there could be a deal with the Lakers. First the Raptors have tried to land THT twice. 2nd they have forwards galore but are thin in the back court. 3.rd OG is unhappy with his role and wants to be traded. A THT and Nunn for OG would give the Raptors a quality back up point guard and a secondary ball handler in THT. I would spend a 1st rounder for a 24 year old with still a lot of upside over a has been like Gordon.

    Next move is a little more cut and dried. Russ and a pick to the Pacers for Buddy and TJ Mc Connell. This is simple, the Pacers save 20 mil on future salaries and pick up a pick instead of paying to move them.

    I would argue that OG, TJ and Buddy would give us a better team then Kyrie, without the migraines. Probably won’t happen. Although I’m sure Rob has called the Raptors. One never knows.

    Never going to happen but fun to think about

    Aloha,

    just a thought on how the Lakers could
    improve without Kyrie on 2 moves. To many if’s to happen but there would be some logic to it. I’ve posted before about OG Anunoby and how would love to have this 24 year old two way SF on the Lakers. But here comes the if’s.

    If the Raptors pivot from KD trade, likely. And if they fail to land a center they like, unlikely, then there could be a deal with the Lakers. First the Raptors have tried to land THT twice. 2nd they have forwards galore but are thin in the back court. 3.rd OG is unhappy with his role and wants to be traded. A THT and Nunn for OG would give the Raptors a quality back up point guard and a secondary ball handler in THT. I would spend a 1st rounder for a 24 year old with still a lot of upside over a has been like Gordon.

    Next move is a little more cut and dried. Russ and a pick to the Pacers for Buddy and TJ Mc Connell. This is simple, the Pacers save 20 mil on future salaries and pick up a pick instead of paying to move them.

    I would argue that OG, TJ and Buddy would give us a better team then Kyrie, without the migraines. Probably won’t happen. Although I’m sure Rob has called the Raptors. One never knows.

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    • I think it’s safe to assume that either Rob has his wings clipped and Jeannie won’t sign off in including them or he has called and they’re not too alluring. More will become clear on 8/4.

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    Aloha

    One thing that hasn’t been talked about is cap flexibility. The Lakers have went out of their way to maintain flexibility for next year. Now a trade for Kyrie, even if they had to bring back Harris makes sense because that trade could elevate them to contender status. But some of the other options like Buddy may not. Nobody is going to trade expiring deals to the Lakers. Teams that trade for Russ will want to dump long term contracts. Which could mess with that flexibility and make it harder to sign even Kyrie as a free agent next summer. So I’m thinking the Lakers will really examine if a trade gives them a real shot at contention before trading Russ just to trade him.

    One Thing

    Aloha

    One thing that hasn’t been talked about is cap flexibility. The Lakers have went out of their way to maintain flexibility for next year. Now a trade for Kyrie, even if they had to bring back Harris makes sense because that trade could elevate them to contender status. But some of the other options like Buddy may not. Nobody is going to trade expiring deals to the Lakers. Teams that trade for Russ will want to dump long term contracts. Which could mess with that flexibility and make it harder to sign even Kyrie as a free agent next summer. So I’m thinking the Lakers will really examine if a trade gives them a real shot at contention before trading Russ just to trade him.

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    Aloha,

    KD is an entitled crybaby whiner. The Nets paid him a entire season to rehab. He played 90 games which computes to well over a million a game played. And he is requesting a trade. Geez,

    he enormous haul of young star players and draft picks the Brooklyn Nets reportedly are expecting to receive in a trade for Kevin Durant isn’t the only reason the superstar still hasn’t been dealt after requesting a trade this summer.

    According to NBA reporter Marc Stein, “the persistent scuttle around the league, though, is that clubs interested in Durant mostly fear their ability to keep him content more than they feel any concern about his advancing age.”

    Cry baby

    Aloha,

    KD is an entitled crybaby whiner. The Nets paid him a entire season to rehab. He played 90 games which computes to well over a million a game played. And he is requesting a trade. Geez,

    he enormous haul of young star players and draft picks the Brooklyn Nets reportedly are expecting to receive in a trade for Kevin Durant isn’t the only reason the superstar still hasn’t been dealt after requesting a trade this summer.

    According to NBA reporter Marc Stein, “the persistent scuttle around the league, though, is that clubs interested in Durant mostly fear their ability to keep him content more than they feel any concern about his advancing age.”

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    • What I find odd is teams suddenly getting tired of the prima donna behavior by some superstars. KD, Kyrie, Simmons, Westbrook, Harden. All difficult players to trust.

      I must say, however, that Harden’s move to take a huge pay cut really impressed me. Can’t deny the guy wants to win in a big way. Lots of talk from everybody else but James walks it.

      • I think teams are pretty sick of signing a deal in good faith just to have it thrown in their faces a year or so into it. All of the players who are on that list have all stayed publicly crap like “we’re working to build something lasting here” or “we’re on the same page” or a ton of other convenient, lip service BS phrases. I know I’m tired of watching it from afar when a some star player whines his way out of not playing and/or getting traded. It’s not good for anyone, it’s becoming akin to how the steroid era turned a lot of fans away from MLB (for me the new rules are doing that). How a GM is expected to build anything in this era is mystifying to me. If I ran steam it would be 1 year deals and you can have your player movement freedom. Don’t get hurt, btw, or that next deal won’t be worth too much…

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    Aloha,

    Like Marvin Gaye, I think we all want to know What’s Going On. It appears on the surface like there isn’t any talks happening at this time. All the “Insiders” have different intel to offer. Some say it’s the Lakers fault, some say it’s the Nets fault for the stalled negotiations.

    I can see both sides. I can hardly blame the Lakers for their negotiation stance. After all they are bidding against themselves. And I can’t blame the Nets for taking their time and re-evaluating the situation.

    The Nets have added a couple of nice pieces to their roster. They maybe looking at their team and think they would have a real chance of competing for a title. A chance to compete for a championship is worth giving up the Lakers distant picks even if Kyrie walks this summer.

    And there is the issue of the Nets not wanting Russ. That is where it really gets complicated. In no universe would the Spurs take on Russ for a draft pick. They only have one contract that they would want to move that’s not an expiring deal. Add them all up and the Spurs save nothing. All to help the Lakers? Right. 😂

    The Pacers are also a complicated situation. They can save some money but where all the players go would be complicated. Buddy and McConnell would be redundant for the Nets considering they have shooters. Plus the Nets insist that Harris was part of a deal. Where does he go? The Lakers would need to send out THT and Nunn to take back Kyrie, Buddy and McConnell and where would they go. Send them to the Pacers and they are no longer saving as much money. And the Nets? Why would they want them?

    It’s all too complicated. At this point I would not not be surprised either way. My biggest fear is that the Lakers pass on other opportunities that may arise and then the trade doesn’t happen. We did that in the past and got burned when it didn’t work out.

    What’s going on?

    Aloha,

    Like Marvin Gaye, I think we all want to know What’s Going On. It appears on the surface like there isn’t any talks happening at this time. All the “Insiders” have different intel to offer. Some say it’s the Lakers fault, some say it’s the Nets fault for the stalled negotiations.

    I can see both sides. I can hardly blame the Lakers for their negotiation stance. After all they are bidding against themselves. And I can’t blame the Nets for taking their time and re-evaluating the situation.

    The Nets have added a couple of nice pieces to their roster. They maybe looking at their team and think they would have a real chance of competing for a title. A chance to compete for a championship is worth giving up the Lakers distant picks even if Kyrie walks this summer.

    And there is the issue of the Nets not wanting Russ. That is where it really gets complicated. In no universe would the Spurs take on Russ for a draft pick. They only have one contract that they would want to move that’s not an expiring deal. Add them all up and the Spurs save nothing. All to help the Lakers? Right. 😂

    The Pacers are also a complicated situation. They can save some money but where all the players go would be complicated. Buddy and McConnell would be redundant for the Nets considering they have shooters. Plus the Nets insist that Harris was part of a deal. Where does he go? The Lakers would need to send out THT and Nunn to take back Kyrie, Buddy and McConnell and where would they go. Send them to the Pacers and they are no longer saving as much money. And the Nets? Why would they want them?

    It’s all too complicated. At this point I would not not be surprised either way. My biggest fear is that the Lakers pass on other opportunities that may arise and then the trade doesn’t happen. We did that in the past and got burned when it didn’t work out.

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    • There’s always a danger in slow playing trades. Somebody can suddenly be willing to trade a player not expected to be on the market. Or teams can change their minds and get stubborn rather than get fleeced. Lakers may have waited too long.

      • There is no evidence that there was a deal that the Nets were ready to pull the trigger on. You have been following the NBA long enough to know that misinformation is floated out there from both sides. In this case there were many “insiders” reporting different narratives from each side. In business negotiations unexpected obstacles can pop up and stall a deal. In this case it was KD. And beyond KD the Nets never said they wanted Russ. That’s were all the 3rd team narratives began, and that was before KD. If bringing back Kyrie will appease KD the Nets will probably do it. From their perspective it’s probably better to roll the dice at one more shot at a title.

        • There’s also no evidence that the Lakers ever made anything close to their best offer to the Nets, Pacers, or anybody else. Just been nibbling around the corners and may have missed an opportunity to close a deal trying to be too cute and win the negotiations when the goal should be to win the trade.

          • That’s amusing, you have been praising Rob. You even said he was delivering a master class a few days ago. Your narrative went from praise to being too cute. Personally I am not a big Robb fan so I never believed he would deliver a great deal. I do hope I have to eat a lot of crow here but I’m not looking for crow recipes quite yet.

            • Glad you’re amused.

              I don’t see any conflict between criticizing Rob for not closing a Kyrie trade and what I’ve judged to be an excellent summer from Rob with several franchise changing decisions positioning the Lakers well for the future, including great decision on new coach, copying Bucks offense, going with young roster that matches the player development skills in the staff, and adding young centers.

              It’s not like what the Lakers have available to offer is a secret. It’s Russ, THT, Nunn, and 2 first round picks worth their most if unprotected. Now is that point in time IMO when the Lakers need to aggressively try to close the deal with the Nets or move on. Waiting is probably the worst thing they can do right now. It carries the risk of ending up with nothing but an unwelcome Westbrook sitting out.

    • “My biggest fear is that the Lakers pass on other opportunities that may arise and then the trade doesn’t happen. We did that in the past and got burned when it didn’t work out.”

      Yup, getting stuck in no man’s land is the worst situation one can find himself in. That’s one territory to avoid.

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    Aloha,

    Could the KD saga be coming to an end? And if so how does effect the Kyrie situation?

    ESPN’s Brian Windhorst (h/t RealGM) said the following about the state of Durant trade talks and where they currently stand:

    “As for Kevin Durant, here’s what there is: nothing. There is no movement here. The executives are leaving Summer League. The executives are going on vacation. At this point, the Nets’ preferred situation is for Kevin Durant to stay with them. There is no trade they’ve got that they like.

    “A huge question and what the league is in some ways waiting for is what does Durant feel? He’s the one who asked for the trade. Have his feelings changed with some of the avenues for trades dimming?”

    So what’s up KD?

    Aloha,

    Could the KD saga be coming to an end? And if so how does effect the Kyrie situation?

    ESPN’s Brian Windhorst (h/t RealGM) said the following about the state of Durant trade talks and where they currently stand:

    “As for Kevin Durant, here’s what there is: nothing. There is no movement here. The executives are leaving Summer League. The executives are going on vacation. At this point, the Nets’ preferred situation is for Kevin Durant to stay with them. There is no trade they’ve got that they like.

    “A huge question and what the league is in some ways waiting for is what does Durant feel? He’s the one who asked for the trade. Have his feelings changed with some of the avenues for trades dimming?”

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    • Who really wants that contract and an oft injured 34 year old KD?

      • I think plenty of teams are interested, just not for the price. I’ll test drive a Lambo but when that paper is put in front of me to sign I’ll walk right back out to my Honda Civic and take that home pleased as pie.

    • Honestly, KD’s saga is making him look like a green snake in green grass. At the end of his career, he will be remembered for all the bridges burned. From OKC to the Warriors, to the Nets. Where next?

      • I mean the dude is a 1st ballot HOFer and one of the best shooters of all time. He won’t be the first or last athelte to over-estimate his value or worth. He at least got paid, poor Dennis Schroder (and more importantly poor Lakers for not capitalizing ona desperate situation there…)

    • KD’s ego’s probably bruised right now. He’s probably shocked at the lack of teams wildly scrambling to sign a fickle prima donna player who is the best scorer in the league right now but who’s averaged just 30 games the last three seasons and is now 34-years old and a year off a terrible injury.

      It’s like the league is in the process of rebuilding and rising teams aren’t going to trade exciting futures for an ethereal shot a championship and fading teams don’t have the trading chips to pull off a KD deal. Or a LeBron deal.

      • I would agree. I think he thought he was going to be the talk of free agency, that teams would be blowing their rosters up for a shot to get him and he’d have his pick of the litter. Turns out the NBA has a crop of young world-beaters and GMs are seeing what it means to have loyal players who buy in to what you’re doing now vs. some of the guys who came up in the mid-aughts to now.

        The changes in enhancing competition are also a big factor. Everyone has a shot and the way New York and Atlanta made big waves in the playoffs means you’re often just a tweak or two away. Cost-controlled players are a huge thing, more like MLB where you fight tooth and nail in arbitration because you know at some point that protective shield will go away and you’ll be forking over the GDP of a small country to keep a single player.

    • I think they hold onto Kyrie if KD stays. 🙂

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    Aloha,

    The Suns have matched Aytons offer sheet so it appears he sticking around for a while. He can’t be traded until January 15th and he can veto a trade for a full year. That is going to really hurt the Suns ability to chase KD. Perhaps they gave up on that.

    Not sure what the Pacers do with Turner. The Pacers stated goal was to be competitive while building which Ayton at 23 fit perfectly. But Turner is only 26 so it’s not far fetched that might hold onto him. The Raptors were trying to trade for Turner and they have the forwards that would interest the Pacers. But again if they want to stay competitive they would be better served holding onto Turner. Then they could revisit Ayton after January 15th.

    Suns Match

    Aloha,

    The Suns have matched Aytons offer sheet so it appears he sticking around for a while. He can’t be traded until January 15th and he can veto a trade for a full year. That is going to really hurt the Suns ability to chase KD. Perhaps they gave up on that.

    Not sure what the Pacers do with Turner. The Pacers stated goal was to be competitive while building which Ayton at 23 fit perfectly. But Turner is only 26 so it’s not far fetched that might hold onto him. The Raptors were trying to trade for Turner and they have the forwards that would interest the Pacers. But again if they want to stay competitive they would be better served holding onto Turner. Then they could revisit Ayton after January 15th.

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    • While we nine of us know what inner machinations teams are engaged in on the surface this would seem to all but take the Sun out of the mix for Durant. Unless they’re planning on making an offer of Bridges/Crawford and whatever else they can wrangle, maybe from a multi-team angle but they just had the biggest chunk of change in one guy they could ina Durant deal taken off the board until 1/15, at the earliest. As noted below Ayton now cannot be traded to Indy and Ayton has veto rights for a year. With more movement on the Ayton front than Durant we are entering the phase in free agency where age is a big factor. Who is emptying the cupboard for KD? Teams can start to tighten the offer up now, no need to throw the kitchen sink into the deal if there are fewer bidders. Makes the Nets holding the line a little more likely now.

      • I don’t know, Jamie. I think KD getting put on hold may open up opportunities for the Nets to resolve the Kyrie situation. If there’s no deal before the summer league ends, we could be in for a long slow summer before things get resolved.

        I guess this also leaves Turner on the trading block, probably even unhappier now with Indiana. Lakers should see if Russ, THT, and two unprotected picks would get them Myles, Buddy, and T.J.

        • You know I would love Myles on the team, Buddy would of course be of aid in the shooting dept. I far prefer both to KI in every way possible. But especially with LA county about to bring back indoor restrictions. Bringing Kyrie here really doesn’t make a lot sense with COVID being what it still is, he needs to play in a state that won’t close back down come hell or high water. New York and Cali are just going to end up costing him money and the team a chance to gel.

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    The big question with Ayton is, has he actually put pen to paper. Or did the Pacer announce his intention. If he hasn’t actually signed then a sign and trade can still happen. If he has signed, and the Suns match then they can’t trade Ayton until January 15th. Either way this probably eliminates the Suns from the KD sweepstakes until January. The Pacers must have some confidence since they just let 4 players go for cap space.

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    Aloha

    The big question with Ayton is, has he actually put pen to paper. Or did the Pacer announce his intention. If he hasn’t actually signed then a sign and trade can still happen. If he has signed, and the Suns match then they can’t trade Ayton until January 15th. Either way this probably eliminates the Suns from the KD sweepstakes until January. The Pacers must have some confidence since they just let 4 players go for cap space.

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    • Sounds like Phoenix will match but nothing’s certain yet. Indy walking the line between tank and compete, really this was the only move they had left to improve the team while still building up a youth movement. So, while this may signal an ever-shrinking window for Durant and Kyrie finding new homes I think it would re-open the door to an Indy trade. Only question being do the Pacers want to see what Ayton and Myles and Buddy can do or just hit reset now.

      That’s the thing with this whole Russ situation, it’s not the biggest loss if you don’t make the deal for everyone but LA. Indy watches Russ get traded to another team? No big deal, we were just gonna buy him out anyway and we still got lots of tradeable players from now until the deadline should things break poorly (or well).

      San Antonio sees Russ traded to Charlotte or some such local? Cool, we knew that deal was either going to find another sucker, er, home. There is not one team that is doing the Russ deal because they want him to play. That is the biggest hurdle, you’re trading at a loss off the bat.

      Also everyone knows that deal for Russ will be on the table all year long right up until the deadline passes. Other teams not named the Los Angeles Lakers have both the luxury of time and the knowledge that if the deal isn’t made by anyone else this summer it’ll be there. Waiting.

      • Just read that the 48 he clock doesn’t start to tick until midnight. They can still work a sign and trade today. It should be interesting to see if they really want Ayton on the roster until January.

        • It’s a problem for Phoenix to match because it will throw them into the luxury tax although they would have time to make moves after Jan 15 to trade him or reduce payroll. Hard to imagine the Suns losing Ayton for nothing. Smart move would be to match and then trade him later. Can’t lose him for nothing.

          Problem though is sign-and-trades have to be agreed to by Ayton and the Pacers. Why would either want to help the Suns? Why would they want to give up players they don’t have to? They cleared the space and could very well decide that’s it. They’re done. Ayton takes up their cap.

          Of course, the Pacers can now trade Turner for something, maybe like the two unprotected draft picks from the Lakers for Turner and Hield. Be interesting to see if a S&T emerges before midnight. My guess is the Pacers and Ayton aren’t interested, which opens a door for the Lakers to talk to the Pacers.

          • I’m pretty sure that Ayton and the Pacers will agree to a sign and trade. That’s what the Pacers originally was trying to do.They just got tired of waiting per the reports.

            • Why would they agree to a sign-and-trade? Why do they want to send players to Suns? They can get picks for Turner and Hield, who would have to be included in S&T to match salaries. Unless Suns want to drop a bunch of picks on them, doesn’t make sense.

          • Tom again the reports from Windhorst said they were trying to do a sign and trade with Turner. Going to the Suns. They want Ayton. And they know that the Suns won’t let him walk for nothing. The sign and trade is they’re best chance at landing Ayton. They may even sweeten the deal with one of their 3 first rounders next year. It wouldn’t have made sense to have him sign an offer sheet when they knew that wouldn’t work.

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    Aloha

    We might actually have some movement. Andre Ayton just signed an offer sheet from the Pacers. The Suns have 48 hours to match or lose him for nothing. The most logical step now is a sign and trade for Turner. I actually like Turner better. But it could impact the Suns pursuit of a KD trade. They really needed Aytons salary for matching. Perhaps the Pacers send Buddy as well. Salaries line up. But they probably want to keep him for another move.

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    Aloha

    We might actually have some movement. Andre Ayton just signed an offer sheet from the Pacers. The Suns have 48 hours to match or lose him for nothing. The most logical step now is a sign and trade for Turner. I actually like Turner better. But it could impact the Suns pursuit of a KD trade. They really needed Aytons salary for matching. Perhaps the Pacers send Buddy as well. Salaries line up. But they probably want to keep him for another move.

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    Aloha,

    Just some random thoughts.

    Jerry West said he doesn’t think KD will be traded because no team can afford to pay enough. This makes sense, even if the Nets lower the asking price a little a team would have to give up so much you wonder if they would actually be better after the trade.

    KD and Mitchell has slowed the trade season down so much, that if one more star came on the market we might not see any deals until Christmas.

    We finally signed Max Christy. I was wondering about that. It brings the squad up to 14. I thought for awhile they might trade his rights. Kyrie will require 2 players coming back to the Lakers. If the trade happens it will be interesting to see how the open another slot.

    Absolutely no THT trade rumors this summer. That’s not surprising given his opt out option on his contract next year.

    I was waiting for it and I finally saw one. A KD for LeBron proposal. It’s funny because the justification made sense. LeBron is a great fit with the Nets with all their shooting, while KD can play with Westbrook. Of course it will never happen but it kind of made sense.

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    Aloha,

    Just some random thoughts.

    Jerry West said he doesn’t think KD will be traded because no team can afford to pay enough. This makes sense, even if the Nets lower the asking price a little a team would have to give up so much you wonder if they would actually be better after the trade.

    KD and Mitchell has slowed the trade season down so much, that if one more star came on the market we might not see any deals until Christmas.

    We finally signed Max Christy. I was wondering about that. It brings the squad up to 14. I thought for awhile they might trade his rights. Kyrie will require 2 players coming back to the Lakers. If the trade happens it will be interesting to see how the open another slot.

    Absolutely no THT trade rumors this summer. That’s not surprising given his opt out option on his contract next year.

    I was waiting for it and I finally saw one. A KD for LeBron proposal. It’s funny because the justification made sense. LeBron is a great fit with the Nets with all their shooting, while KD can play with Westbrook. Of course it will never happen but it kind of made sense.

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    Perhaps there will not be a trade.

    Aloha,

    While I still believe that there will probably be a Kyrie trade, there is an alternative narrative in which it doesn’t happen. And it has nothing to do with the Lakers.

    First I don’t think the Nets want to trade KD. I agree with Jamie that they maybe borrowing from the Lakers playbook when Kobe wanted out. The Lakers shopped Kobe asking a kings ransom in return. When nothing materialized, it was sorry Kobe we tried. KD said the Suns were his preferred destination so the Nets asked for Booker in return, knowing that there was absolutely no way that the Suns would do that. Now you could say it was just posturing for negotiating purposes but the Suns counter was built around a sign and trade for Ayton. With the Pacers set to offer a contract to Ayton, the Suns will have 48 hours to either sign and trade him, sign and keep him until December 15 or let him walk. They won’t do the latter. If the Nets were actually interested in the Suns counter they would jump in now. They have told the league they want two all stars. Most of the do not have two. Just leads me to believe that KD will play for the Nets. With a 4 year contract he doesn’t have any leverage.

    When brings us to the Kyrie situation. The narrative of course is the Nets want him out. Which is not the case. There were extension talks. They couldn’t come to an agreement, for dollars or years or perhaps both. That is when Kyrie asked for a trade. He opted in realizing that it was the only way a trade could happen. Now the Nets have made moves to become more competitive. They traded a 1st for Royce O’Neil and gambled on TJ Warren. These are not the moves of a rebuilding team. What if they look at the roster and think, we have a chance. A chance to win a ring now is much more valuable then distant draft picks, even knowing that he could walk for nothing at the end of the year. Besides they know that the Laker option is there if things implode. KD and Kyrie are best friends. KD only wanted to leave because of Kyrie. KD might lean on him to play out his contract.

    Like I said I still think it’s greater then 50/50 that a trade happens but I would hardly be surprised if it didn’t.

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    • Yep. Been tooting this horn for awhile and not just because it’s an “easy” or “lazy” notion. I think it’s just as easy to throw every trade proposal that comes along up and give it it’s due even if said proposal is basically all geared to benefit the Lakers…which many, many of these proposals have been. Hearing that Utah is taking calls on Mitchell further complicates any and all efforts for the two teams with players on massive deals but few draft assets in hand to grease the wheels.

      The doors are going to start closing for a Durant trade as teams have probably put their best, or fairly close to it, offers on the table. The Nets aren’t getting Booker or Bam. They either need to choose moving Durant for a lesser haul than what Gobert was traded for or hold onto him and see if something shakes loose after December 15 when all deals become trade worthy. teams won’t wait forever and most of the ones interested in KD will at least kick the Spyda tires with Utah to see what the ask is and how they feel about it.

      The fact is teams looking to rebuild don’t prioritize cap space these days, they want draft picks and they want them soon. Neither Brooklyn or LA has that kind of cachet, all they have is players entering their twilight, often with injury or other kinds of availability issues. It’s not just my world that kind of deal doesn’t rock, it’s every GM in the NBA who sees those deals. Hence the “meh” reaction we’re seeing.

      Durant isn’t a player on the rise, neither is Kyrie (when he chooses to play) and neither is Russ. If you’re in win-now mode you probably don’t mind the idea of adding Durant but not at the cost of the rest of the roster that you built to get to win-now mode. Only two teams went too far down the “Super Stars or Bust!” road: LA and Brooklyn. The rest of the Association has better balanced growth of role-players and , in some cases, future superstars, competitiveness in general, and their cap situation. Brooklyn went all in on a trio that barely played together, LA the same.

      For the Nets they’re down to a duo + Ben Simmons and whatever he ends being able to provide. Be interesting to see if he comes back from a year off with any substantiated changes to his overall game. For the Lakers they’re going all in on a trio of some kind or another and I’m calling Russ on the roster to start the season and it’s 50/50 he’s on it come next summer. The one thing both of those teams are lacking is the kind of grease needed to make big moves in the current trade climate. Draft picks within the next 2 seasons. Brooklyn’s are mostly tied up through a variety of swap options or outright trades already, most of those for Harden…who is now gone. LA gave theirs away for players no longer on the roster or for AD.

      Yes, rebuilding teams like cap space, all teams do. But they’re not pushing up against the apron and are generally looking to move 8-15 mil deals and not 2 or 3 of them. It’s why I see the smaller trades as being the more likely. Too much cap space, especially when measured against what free agents are coming onto the market as unrestricted for the next two seasons, is just a challenge on how not to overpay a decent role-player. They want picks and they want them now and they want them unprotected.

      None of those conditions are favorable to LA or Brooklyn. Neither is the sheer volume of money both teams would like to move. A trade is possible, all things are. I just see it as being less and less probable the more things settle down. It’s why I think, if they are serious about trading Russ (which, frankly, has become hard for me to buy since they’ve added all this internal obstacles to make it feasible) they need to work the Pacer angle and they need to work it quick.

      • Not sure why Michael and Jaime continue to believe the Lakers won’t trade Russ or why they’re so persistent despite the pundits and odds makers still believing L.A. will trade Russ to Brooklyn for Kyrie.

        Do they really believe the Lakers would be better off keeping Russ? Or that we would be worse off getting Kyrie? Or do they just want to be right? Wonder if they’re hoping for the same thing as me on Twitter? Hard to be objective when you’re so invested in a position.

        Frankly, it’s hard to imagine Russ returning to the Lakers or Kyrie to the Nets at this point in time. I think both of those ships have sailed and there truly is nowhere for either of them to go. That’s the bed they’ve each dugged and only a trade will save the Lakers and Nets.

        It’s not hard to imagine the Nets wanting to rediscuss reuniting with KD though or even with him deciding to stay. The problem is the same the Lakers will find if they were to trade LeBron. KD is a 34-year old superstar who’s averaged 30 games per year over the last three years. He has four years left on his contract.

        If he’s not happy, KD’s going to demand to be traded but will become harder and harder to trade. If he’s not healthy, he could set you back a couple of years.

        And it’s true you can say the same about Kyrie. I’m no fan of the man but a grudging fan of the player and his fit on the Lakers where LeBron James is still the unquestioned King.

        Kyrie is a gift from the basketball gods to takes us out of Westbrook purgatory and into Irving Heaven, if you can imagine that. Knowing Kyrie, it could also be Irving Hell.

        Kyrie’s a devil but hopefully, he’ll be our devil.

        • Where did I say I didn’t think they would trade for Kyrie Tom? I began the post and ended the Post with they probably will. Seriously point it out where I said that they won’t. I simply stated complications that could arise. Try reading completely before putting words in someone’s mouth.

          • I even posted how I thought Russ would be a better fit with the Nets then he was with the Lakers. I have commented on several occasions that I like Harris coming instead of Curry but suddenly I’m always saying there isn’t going to be a trade? Geez.

          • I guess I got confused by the title “Perhaps There Will Not Be A Trade” or the “greater then 50/50” odds comment. My bad.

            • There isn’t going to be a trade…that involves the Lakers. The guy talking about objectivity is the same one who stands on sand, shifts with the winds and takes any clickbait article in support of what he’d like to see as proof positive. That’s not objectivity, that’s confirmation bias lol.

              Anyhow, you consistently see what I think will happen as what I want to happen. In life, what I want to happen rarely (if ever) happens and almost never in totality.

              I’d like to see the Lakers move Russ for Turner and Heild. I don’t think the Pacers will make that deal. So, if everything informing my opinion (and these are alllllllll opinions here) tells me that what I want to happen won’t happen what is the use building myself (and potnetially others) up of a fairy tale fantasy with nary a hope of it becoming reality?

              I don’t want my Dr telling me that I’m gonna live if it’s more likely I’m going to die. Odds against me don’t matter, just another obstacle to overcome. But I’m wired in a way that if things look sunny and rosey I ease up. So I don’t ease up, keep the pressure on and embrace reality. Not pessimism, not a glass half empty and objective reality. 😉

    • To paraphrase Mongo, Call me when dinner’s ready.

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    It seems that KD has slowed the league down to a near stand still. But it appears that the Pacers are ready to rock the boat. From another little blurb I read this morning with the Brogdon trade now officially complete giving the Pacer more cap space, they are preparing to extend a near max offer sheet to Deandre Ayton. This really will mess with the Suns attempt to trade for KD. He is a major piece of their offer but apparently the Nets are not that impressed. The Suns can’t let him walk for sure. So do they restart the talks they were having for Miles Turner before the KD bombshell? And how do the Nets feel about Miles Turner? As for Ayton, the Pacers are about the only team that has the cap space to offer him a large contract.

    So many moving parts here. The earlier reports that the Nets will wait on Kyrie until the KD situation is resolved appears to be true. But one wonders when that will be. I honestly don’t see the Nets trading him at this point simply because of their asking price. KD is under contract for 4 years so they really don’t need to do anything. But they do have to decide something soon or not. After summer league, it’s usually the slowest time of the year in the NBA. With the KD road block in place it maybe even slower than usual.

    Appearing on Friday’s episode of Get Up, Windhorst discussed the possibility of the Pacers giving restricted free agent Deandre Ayton an offer sheet, or potentially adding him in a sign-and-trade that could send center Myles Turner to the Suns. Unfortunately for Indiana, however, Phoenix currently remains at the forefront of the KD sweepstakes after the 12-time All-Star listed the club as one of his preferred landing spots.
    “The Indiana Pacers are seriously considering giving him an offer sheet. They’re also interested in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns, potentially involving Myles Turner,” Windhorst said. “But holding everything up is the Suns’ negotiations for Kevin Durant, which are probably not going to end soon and Ayton may have to move on and do his own deal.”

    All trades effect the Lakers

    Aloha

    It seems that KD has slowed the league down to a near stand still. But it appears that the Pacers are ready to rock the boat. From another little blurb I read this morning with the Brogdon trade now officially complete giving the Pacer more cap space, they are preparing to extend a near max offer sheet to Deandre Ayton. This really will mess with the Suns attempt to trade for KD. He is a major piece of their offer but apparently the Nets are not that impressed. The Suns can’t let him walk for sure. So do they restart the talks they were having for Miles Turner before the KD bombshell? And how do the Nets feel about Miles Turner? As for Ayton, the Pacers are about the only team that has the cap space to offer him a large contract.

    So many moving parts here. The earlier reports that the Nets will wait on Kyrie until the KD situation is resolved appears to be true. But one wonders when that will be. I honestly don’t see the Nets trading him at this point simply because of their asking price. KD is under contract for 4 years so they really don’t need to do anything. But they do have to decide something soon or not. After summer league, it’s usually the slowest time of the year in the NBA. With the KD road block in place it maybe even slower than usual.

    Appearing on Friday’s episode of Get Up, Windhorst discussed the possibility of the Pacers giving restricted free agent Deandre Ayton an offer sheet, or potentially adding him in a sign-and-trade that could send center Myles Turner to the Suns. Unfortunately for Indiana, however, Phoenix currently remains at the forefront of the KD sweepstakes after the 12-time All-Star listed the club as one of his preferred landing spots.
    “The Indiana Pacers are seriously considering giving him an offer sheet. They’re also interested in a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns, potentially involving Myles Turner,” Windhorst said. “But holding everything up is the Suns’ negotiations for Kevin Durant, which are probably not going to end soon and Ayton may have to move on and do his own deal.”

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    • Just another reason I can see the Nets holding the line and not moving Durant for chopped liver and spare parts. A sign and trade for both Phoenix and Indy makes sense. Indy could care less about hard-capping themselves and Phoenix can bring in Turner who is arguably as good, if not a better fit, for what they want to do. Ayton is going to be a great center in this league, tons of upside, but he’s not what Phoenix needs in this exact moment. Frankly, neither is Durant at the current asking price. He isn’t an elite defender and they have scorers at all positions. Elite scorers? No, but ones who know the role they need to play.

      If I’m Indy I make a courtesy call to the Suns and say that they are going to give DA an offer sheet and would you like to do a S&T instead, otherwise drop the offer and let the Suns scramble. Phoenix will probably choose the S&T route since it could then feasibly come back to a Durant deal on down the line just without a S&T for Ayton as the centerpiece.

      We’re entering a phase in the NBA where teams are bumping up against taxes and the cap when trying to assemble a winner. Having three dudes on max deals isn’t an intelligent way to win. Honestly, it’s rare that it works at all. It’s why I never feared the Nets one iota, all flash and no substance doesn’t get you far in the playoffs. Fun for the regular season, admittedly, but that’s just the appetizer.

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