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    5 (late) Things: Lakers showing some grit

    Three overtimes of late, three wins. We may not be where we want to be as a team, yet, but we’re finding ways to win while we learn. That’s huge in a loaded western conference that features several teams leaking out ahead of us in the seeding race. While there were many things that almost derailed the win we overcame them and that’s a step forward for this team in this moment.

    1. Malik Monk’s huge game. We needed every one of those points Monk poured in to bring home the win. Malik has a unique skillset on this team. Like THT he can get his own shot, get into the paint to create and is possessed of youthful vim and vigor. Unlike THT he has a killer jump shot. If we can unlock something like this version of Malik on a nightly basis we can live with the occasional defensive lapse or two. We need someone to provide scoring off the bench other than Melo and if it can be Monk that’s cool with me.
    2. Melo continues his Sixth man of the year campaign. He may not have been raining threes but Melo knows how to apply pressure on a defense from anywhere on the floor. Anthony has also been playing with a nice amount of vinegar since becoming a Laker. You can see him engaging with AD about defensive concepts in stoppages (and even after the game last night) and he finds ways to win like superstars tend to do. While he is definitely removed from his “alpha” days in the NBA he is still a respected force that creates his own, unique gravity on the floor that forces a defense to react.
    3. Russell’s triple-double. This is life with Westbrook and you might as well buckle up and enjoy the ride, bumps and all. Intense is the word I have landed on to describe Westbrook’s game. Applied with as much force as skill, always ramped up to 100 MPH all with the audacity of a swashbuckler Russ is gonna drive the team forward. This time without LeBron has been good for Russ. It’s not that he’s changed his game or unlocked a heretofore unseen skillset it’s that he’s been free to be himself. If anyone is going to see where he fits in amongst the budding rapport between Russ and AD it’s The King. So letting Russ run wild for a few games has had it’s benefits and warts but that’s the package we bought when we traded for O.
    4. Avery Bradley should stick as a starter. I don’t buy into the idea that Avery doesn’t have the right skillset, mentality or ability to be a starter on this team. In fact I happen to think he’s the perfect compliment to Russ at the 2 to kick things off. He’s yin to Westbrook’s yang: where Russ is always playing in 5th gear, Avery has a control and pace to his game that allows him to speed up his game when called for. He shoots the three well enough and his defense is sorely needed in a starting unit that will seemingly end up featuring DeAndre Jordan on most nights. I’m not sure Kent is the long-term answer at the three, I have no doubt in my mind that AB should start at the 2.
    5. The free throw disparity issue. OK, this has gotten absurd. Once again it was a more than 2-1 disparity in free throws attempted. While some of this is on us and our defensive lapses, it’s not like the Lakers a re a jump shooting team. Frank needs to pick up a T, challenge some calls, something to start to bring this thing back into a manageable realm because this isn’t a winning formula. It took ridiculous games from role players, hitting nearly 50% from three and a series of out of character misses late from the Heat to pull this out. We have to play better defense, yes, but the Lakers also need to start getting some calls going their way. I’m sure this will start to even out…eventually.

    We ought to win against Minny. Here’s hoping we do. Go Lakers.

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    If you want to ask me if I’ll die on Caruso Hill, don’t bother. My body has already been found and the autopsy shows I died of incredulity.

    Most used Bulls lineup:
    Ball/Caruso/LaVine/DeRozan/Vucevic: 9 games / 60 minutes / 105 Ortg / 93.8 Drtg / +11.3 net rating

    Caruso is 6th in the entire league in deflections (40). He’s 2nd in the entire NBA in STL% among guards who actually play legit minutes and 3rd overall in steals.

    Yeah. I’m sure Nunn will replicate that kind of defensive impact.

    Ridiculous.

    Rob is a fool

    If you want to ask me if I’ll die on Caruso Hill, don’t bother. My body has already been found and the autopsy shows I died of incredulity.

    Most used Bulls lineup:
    Ball/Caruso/LaVine/DeRozan/Vucevic: 9 games / 60 minutes / 105 Ortg / 93.8 Drtg / +11.3 net rating

    Caruso is 6th in the entire league in deflections (40). He’s 2nd in the entire NBA in STL% among guards who actually play legit minutes and 3rd overall in steals.

    Yeah. I’m sure Nunn will replicate that kind of defensive impact.

    Ridiculous.

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    • Definitely a mistake at this point in time. We’re missing his defense and savvy play and will miss him as a trading chip at the deadline. Jeanie must have given Rob a tax breaking point.

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    5 Things: Lakers hang on and beat Hornets in OT

    I have been saying that before. Having AD and Russ figure out things while LeBron waits is the first step in developing a synergy among the three of them. So LeBron out for some time might help in a big way while it hurts. Chemistry takes different forms to materialize.

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    • Who takes him? Seriously, what deal could there possibly be that works for both sides?

    • My issue, as I indicated on the post game podcast, is that if you offense that has AD, Russ, and LBJ is relying on 37 year old Melo to make it all work there is a fundamental flaw in that offensive system.

      • Many instances of older elite 3-point shooters helping winning championships: Kyle Korver, Ray Allen, Steve Kerr… Just add Melo to that list.

        • “Helping win” and “making the offense work at a basic level” are two very different things dude.

          • Every LeBron team has had a designated 3-point shooter who played on his strong side wing or corner. That’s always been part of the formula for success with LeBron. Lakers finally found their version of that shooter in Melo, which is a huge positive development for this Lakers’ team.

            Hilariously, I see above that I never finished my response to your fiver so I fixed that and responded to your remaining 4 points. Damn, getting harder to juggle those mental balls as I get older.

    • “Melo light up as in the days of yore” Yes, days of yore, indeed. Great 5er. Thanks, Jamie.

    • Good fiver, Jamie. And thanks for being there on Lakers Fast Break so Gerald did not have to go solo.

      1) We started out hoping for 1 out 4 great games from Melo. Then it was 2 out 4. Now it’s looking like 3 out of 4. Melo is the one player the Lakers signed who has the stones to shoot better rather than worse like everybody else who can stand the bright lights. Melo and AD showing grit and guts to lead the Lakers are two huge reasons to be high on the Lakers despite the record and injuries. Every win without LeBron is like two wins in the end.

      2) I think we’re getting out in the break fine but we’re still not finishing at an elite level. Russ and Baze missing bunnies at the rim. We’ll get better. When you play at such a fast pace, you turn the ball over more and increase the number of possessions and thus points scored and allowed. So I think it’s a misconception that playing fast hasn’t helped us win games. It has but it’s only one component.

      3) When you look at the last six games, we’re 4th in defensive rating in the league with similarly impressive individual player defensive ratings. That tells me what Frank is doing defensively is working. Pace is just distorting it and we still haven’t played enough games for the true rate to emerge. The key is we are getting better and should continue to improve once LeBron, THT, Nunn, and Ariza get healthy.

      4) Completely agree with you regarding composure. We’re getting hosed by the refs but we’re compounding the situation by complaining, arguing, and sometimes not getting back into play. I think that’s an early season issue that will resolve itself. As we start getting healthy and winning, the frustrations will go away.

      5) There’s always two sides to the story. No, we didn’t win comfortably but, like Russ responded to Bill Oram, “Who won?” The key is this is a win without LeBron James. This is why we traded for Russell Westbrook. For situations just like this when LeBron or AD are out. Russ is the insurance and last night, it worked. That’s such important progress that it should have been at the top of your five things.

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    5 Things: Forget the Trailblazers, Lakers have major issues

    The Trailblazer’s game was garbage. Terrible effort on every front, got played off the floor by the better team and the biggest issue is this is happening when we face what are considered to be bottom-feeding teams. The Lakers have an age problem in that we are an old team. Our superstars are old, our role-players are old and all but 1 of the young guys signed over the summer and a rookie are injured. On top of that we are counting on guys who put their bodies through a lot just to feel healthy. As soon as they get dinged up a little, it seems to mean they get dinged up a lot. Pro sports are a younger person’s affair, for the most part, and this ain’t golf or baseball.

    1. LeBron’s injury-riddled time in Los Angeles. However you care to quantify this it’s becoming an unavoidable topic of debate: LeBron is getting older and it’s showing in his shot selection and his availability. LA got vintage LeBron, a finely aged player still capable of putting up quality performances. Then came the groin injury and a mostly lost season. 2019 will always be looked at through the lens of LeBron turning back the clock in the playoffs and helping bring banner 17 to the rafters. However, that also has to come with a big “But” in the form of a 3 month break midseason as planet Earth grappled with COVID-19. Then came the following season where LeBron was playing at a high level, again. Until Solomon Hill accidentally took him out with a high ankle sprain. Since his, at times shaky, return from that injury one thing has stood out: LeBron now shoots a lot of threes. Now he’s out with another ankle injury, one that some say could take as long as a month to heal. At 36, with the mileage that body has accumulated, it makes sense for the Lakers to be as cautious as they can afford to be given the impact James’ health has on our title chances.
    2. Anthony Davis aka The Man Who Falls Down A Lot. I love AD and the way he plays the game. He really does play in the style of a throwback power forward a la Bob McAdoo but with better range (“Doo” would have been a beast in the modern game, btw). If you listen to Bill & Stu on the Spectrum broadcasts you’ll there’s a running joke about AD hitting the floor and how many times he picks himself up off of it. It will not surprise me if, at some point, we see AD attempt a FG from said floor. The dude is elite, no doubt, but he also gets nicked up easier and quicker than a lot of other elite players. I’m not questioning his heart, the world of pro sport is littered with guys who had the talent and the heart but their bodies simply did not cooperate for them to have the kind of careers many expected. AD, like LeBron, benefitted greatly from the COVID time off when he turned in a playoff performance for the ages. That is not something that will be replicated and so the question facing him now is: can you do it within the confines of a true, 82 game NBA season? I believe he can. I am of the opinion that, if the roster is relatively healthy and LeBron is at something like 80% we can win a 7 game series against any other team, east or west. That will depend, as it always does, on a modicum of luck. But good health, especially to your superstars, is a must for any team that wants to do more than place SHOW.
    3. The Russell Westbrook puzzle. I’m not too proud to admit that I might have been wrong. That Mr. Sean Grice and Mr. Gerald Glassford may have been correct when they said that Russ was not a good fit on the Lakers. I still believe they will all figure out some way to make it work, though that way has certainly not yet been discovered. Westbrook had a golden opportunity against Portland to impose his will on the game. Instead he turned in the worst performance I have personally seen from him, ever. Toss in that the bench we normally deploy gave us nada and the route we all yearn to forget went down. It’s almost impossible for me to conceive a world where the Lakers entertain trading Russell Westbrook, it feels like it would take Dame specifically telling Portland “trade me to the Lakers” and that Russ would be the one to swap. We would also have to still be at, or below, .500 for that to happen. I just can’t see that happening…yet. Even I, of the realistic and pragmatic approach (as opposed to those with glasses of rose), really have a hard time seeing what lead the Lakers to such a dismal conclusion to the Russell Westbrook as a Laker saga. But it is starting to take shape in my mind, which is not a good thing. Because if I can kinda see it now then there are people within the Laker organization that saw back in the summer and likely submitted a memo or bent Rob’s ear for a hot minute only to be over-ruled. I still believe that the Lakers, as constructed now, have enough to win a banner. They suffer from Brooklyn-itis right now: too many pieces that have specific needs that really haven’t played together much. If we can cure that, we got a great chance.
    4. The rest of the team. It is certainly no secret that, as a result of having three max contracts on the books, the rest of the roster is essentially filler. Composed of a lot of aged vets on minimum deals, Malik Monk on a minimum deal, Nunn for the MLE and THT on his extension with a dash of “hey look at Austin Reaves go!” that’s the Laker bench. This is another area where the age of the roster is an obstacle to overcome, especially in the regular season. All of the guys we play in support roles with either the starting five or off the bench are over 30 except for Monk and Reaves since both THT and Nunn have been out since camp. Carmelo is going to come and go, but like any aged gunslinger he’s only good until the bullets run dry in any one gunfight. Dwight hasn’t been able to recreate his 2.0 Laker magic, DeAndre Jordan looks as washed up as he did at the end of his tenure with the Clippers, Ariza has been hurt and Bazemore and Bradley are decent support, at best. There is no young blood who has the skill and talent to impact the game in a winning way that i available. To be honest, I don’t really see that in him, to begin with. Whatever the impact they can make, we need some of the younger guys to get back competing and see what they can do to help turn this around.
    5. All things filter from the top down. Rob built this team. Yes, it was with a nod of acquiescence from AD and LBJ but it was his hand that put it together. It’s now Frank’s team to coach. I wondered before camp if Frank had the gravity and voice in order to bring these disparate identities, skill sets and egos into a cohesive force that could consistently win basketball games. I still have many, many doubts in this regard. It’s not Frank’s fault that he was given a roster of either old guys who have defensive reps or young guys who do not but that is in essence the team he was provided with this season. His rep as a defensive coach has been put to what I would imagine is the biggest test it has faced, yet. The Lakers suffered a pretty significant brain drain on the coaching staff, the team is not built for the style the coach likes to play, and many of the key pieces have yet to play significant minutes with each other. In an of themselves, none of these are enough to sink a team’s season. Taken as a whole and at at the same time and this looks more and more like an iceberg in the ocean…waiting…waiting…

    I still believe we can overcome all of the above. The question is when more than if. This team was always built with the playoffs in mind, even with Westbrook. While not as much as in the past there is generally more time between games, you’re facing the same team and we got guys who know how to perform under pressure of all kinds. I don’t think too many teams will be trying to position themselves to face the Lakers in the playoffs, so long as we’re relatively healthy. Time, however, is a major factor. We want to be assured of a seeding, not fight for a play in. We want to make what we have work as is, not add more time to what is already a lengthy process of discovering fit, building chemistry and figuring things out. We want the coach we have to do his job right and stick around for awhile because Frank’s a funny guy, helped us win a banner, and if you bring in another coach (even one off the bench) you’re still going to have to re-adjust on the fly. None of that is desirable. So, in the interest of title #18 here’s hoping this group can push through this time of difficulty and figure out a way to win now. Go Lakers.

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    • Aloha Jamie, nice post. The way I looked at our age before the season started was that we went 14 deep, so there would be enough rest to go around for our younger players. Unfortunately injuries have mucked that up. Four of the guys l thought would play heavy rotation minutes have been hurt. And making matters worse, two of them were our young guys. We are really paying the price for not resigning Alex.

      I have never quite been all in to the 3 superstar approach. But I bought in this year, thinking that in Westbrook we had a guy that could carry the load if LeBron or AD went down. There were a lot of concerns about Russ. There was the good Russ and the bad Russ. I thought we could live with the bad. Unfortunately we haven’t seen enough of the good Russ and this last game was pathetic. It’s early and we will get guys back. But Russ needs to play like a superstar when LeBron is out. While there is fit question with LeBron, he should be taking over and playing like a superstar when LeBron isn’t on the court. So far he hasn’t done that enough.

      • I agree with you, Michael. Russ needing to play like a superstar without LeBron is the very reason I want to see LeBron stay out a little longer so he can figure things out. I know that is going to cost us some games, but aren’t we built for the post season? Reaching the post season is not a guaranteed thing but trial by fire seems like a viable option to me.

        • I too am looking at LeBron being out as an opportunity for Anthony and Russ to figure out how to win the non-LeBron minutes. That should be an achievable goal. Last night was hopefully the first of many wins without LeBron.

    • Hi, Jamie. As always your posts are always fair and objective if not brutally honest. Your take on LeBron’s age and health and AD’s situation is right on the money. Likewise, your take on the rest of the team is also very true. I will refrain from adding anything to this post as it should be left as-is for its excellence and truth, although the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

      Your emphasis on when this team will gel remains unknown but one that needs patience. For a team that’s been built almost from scratch, and with all the flaws it has, the possibility of having a smooth transition to the promised land is almost zero. Add in the players that have yet to play this season because of injuries, then you have an undesirable situation. The truth is, as you already stated, time is of essence here and it is certainly not going to be on our side forever.

      Finally, while I agree with you on almost everything you said, I am finding it difficult to agree with you about the three months rest we had before embarking on a run to championship #17. Yes, we had rest before that, but didn’t the other teams also have the same and equal chance of rest? Didn’t we stumble out of the gate because of rust and lack of conditioning? I would rather we wait until we have everyone back in the fold before we lose all hope.

      Man, I am pretty sure writing a post like this is very hard especially after an ugly loss like this one. Thanks for expressing your opinion in a very candid manner, and keep up the good work. I enjoy reading your posts.

    • Michael’s comment about good Russ and bad Russ kind of encapsulates this Lakers team. Good Melo, Bad Melo. Good LeBron, Bad LeBron. Good AD, Bad AD. Good Baze, Bad Baze. Good Reaves, Bad Reaves. Good Vogel, Bad Vogel.

      Or maybe it’s just early in the season and players haven’t had a chance to develop rapport or chemistry because of all of the crazy lineups due to injuries and inconsistent play. After all, we did have 11 new players and right now are missing three of our five highest paid players who are out with injuries.

      Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer.

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    5 Things: Lakers fail to learn lesson and get beat by OKC

    Michael’s comment about good Russ and bad Russ kind of encapsulates this Lakers team. Good Melo, Bad Melo. Good LeBron, Bad LeBron. Good AD, Bad AD. Good Baze, Bad Baze. Good Reaves, Bad Reaves. Good Vogel, Bad Vogel.

    Or maybe it’s just early in the season and players haven’t had a chance to develop rapport or chemistry because of all of the crazy lineups due to injuries and inconsistent play. After all, we did have 11 new players and right now are missing three of our five highest paid players who are out with injuries.

    Sometimes the simplest answer is the correct answer.

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    • Great fiver, Jamie. Love the Get Back theme and video. Thanks.

      I also appreciate the more nuanced criticism and acknowledgement of the positive things that we’re seeing. There’s definitely a ways to go and injuries are rearing their ugly head again but we’re good enough to fight through it so no need to panic. Bron out is just going to make it take longer.

      The silver lining. I’m rooting for AD to go crazy and put-up stats like he did at times in New Orleans and Russ to continue to show that winning without LeBron is why we traded for him regardless of fit. That’s what I want and hope to see but not predicting. But I’m primed to be happily surprised. That would be sweet.

      1) No doubt defense has at times been problematic for this team, especially when you must give minutes to poor defenders like Rondo, Jordan, and Monk. Honestly, though, the problem is we seem to have an underrated talent for going into scoring droughts at the same times as when we lapse at defense.
      I realize that the label of a 3&D guy is given to way more players than really deserve it, both as shooters and defenders. We have shooters and defenders but few who do both. That means each lineup must be balanced so the team can score and defend.

      Frankly, no pun intended, some of Frank’s rotations were just terrible. Yes, partly due to injuries and limited roster, but really, a lineup of Howard, Rondo, Bradley, Bazemore, and Reaves? Come on, Frank.
      2) There’s no doubt that AD was on his way towards a career type night but I’m thankful he could come back and hopeful he’ll play tomorrow. Waiting for AD to become the next LeBron has been fraught with disappointment and concern due to injuries and, for me at least, motivation to be the greatest. His play is raising hopes this may be the season when it’s AD who wins Finals MVP instead of LeBron.

      3) Westbrook’s Jekyll and Hyde game, indeed. Talked about the offensive and defensive self-inflicted wounds. Here’s where LeBron and AD need to take Russ aside and tell him to be smarter in the clutch and in general. Anyway, like I say this early in the season, it’s only one game and Russ is looking like he can a force. We’re especially seeing how having a third superstar can be a great insurance policy as well as a ceiling raiser.

      4) There’s no question Bradley is the best we have right now as a fifth starter. Unfortunately, I don’t think that’s going to be good enough for us to win. At the least, we need Nunn and THT to show they can take the starting two and three jobs. They’re the highest paid non-superstars. They will show it or be traded at the deadline for players who can. Can’t spend $10M and $5M on two guys who can’t start. That would be foolish. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lakers push them into those spots when they come back for just that reason. That $15M should be spent on starters, not bench players.

      5) Thunder and SGA played great and they clearly won the second game and in game adjustments over the Lakers. Good coaching. Good young talent who hit clutch shots to take us down twice. Good reminder for the Lakers of how far they need to go and how important the little things and synergy that make a cohesive team on the court better than their parts.

      • Nice post Jamie, for me the biggest issue is still injuries. Although a close 2nd is our bad habit of taking our foot off the gas almost every game. That has to stop immediately. One would think that after they beat us the 1st time would have applied even more pressure up 19. I do believe we would have won if either Nunn or THT were available. Rondo is now a break glass in case of an emergency type of player. With either Nunn or THT available Rondo doesn’t play. Also both are very capable of creating offense so we may not have had that scoring drought. And of course they both can defend. I’m also impressed with Bradley. I do believe they will guarantee his contract. If a desirable player is cut and available at the deadline I wouldn’t be surprised if we cut Rondo to make room. And please, Dwight should be getting all the minutes at center when AD sits. He has played much better than DJ. When we have to start AD at the 4 Dwight should be the 5. Go out early and then start the 2nd quarter when AD rests. And when we get everyone back AD should start at the 5 and Dwight should relieve him. DJ should join Rondo as a break glass in case of emergency player.

        • Hey-O Michael, yeah Rondo should be put on ice until the playoffs. DAJ should just be put on ice. The 1 or 2 lob dunks a game are meaninglessness. Dude can’t defend a tree right now. Injuries this season are more of the contact/accidental type which is better? I guess? But still means guys are out.

      • You should have seen the first draft. Much gloomier but then I had coffee and the world is always a bit brighter after that.

        • Frank really has his work cut out for him. I think both Beadley and Bazemore are actually the right kind of guys we need to set a tone early. They’re system guys who fit in where needed and take the open shot. I think where we see a lot of slippage across the board is when it’s left to the supporting cast to run the show. This is where our bin-dynamic offense hits hardest. Russ doesn’t need a scheme, just a shred of daylight. AD needs the ball 15 feet out. That’s the offense. But, with LBJ out and those guys both sitting for about 15 mpg we see a huge fall off in every measurable category. That’s where I’d love to see Nunn or THT or anyone really shine. Can’t put it all in Melo, dude is playing as well as can be expected given the mileage.

          • You are right about the fall off Jamie,, when guys rest. But we have 3 very capable guys that haven’t seen the floor yet. Both Nunn and THT looked really good in their limited preseason appearances but even more impressive was what the coaches and teammates were saying about them and what they were seeing in practice. There is also Ellington. I’m interested in seeing what he will bring. My expectations for him last night was pretty low, considering it was his first game back. The big question is, will he be a 42% from 3 guy or will he suffer the shooters curse that haunted Danny Green, Wes Matthews and others that we have brought in for shooting.

        • Glad to see the caffeine doing it’s work. The injuries have made Frank struggle with lineups but it’s doubtful answer for starters at the 2 and 3 will be a pair of minimum salary players like Bradley & Bazemore or even Ellington & Ariza. Nunn and THT must be answer due to $10M & $5M salaries or be traded.

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    Cue the “One does not simply replace LeBron James!” memes.

    Still, Lakers gotta try. DeAndre Jordan will go back to starting, Russ will have the ball more but someone has to help put points on the board. Or rather, some people. Looking for some bounce-back from Monk, maybe some Ellington minutes. Monk in particular has had a spate of bad luck in the form of shots rolling off the rim, rimming out and so on. Of course, a vintage Carmelo Anthony performance would go a long way and I also expect to see some Rondo minutes.

    I’d love to be able to call this a revenge game but I still just see it as another trap game where we need to let our defense and our points in the paint lead the way and not overly-rely on three-point shots. Still, hate to say it but here it comes…

    Next man up?

    Cue the “One does not simply replace LeBron James!” memes.

    Still, Lakers gotta try. DeAndre Jordan will go back to starting, Russ will have the ball more but someone has to help put points on the board. Or rather, some people. Looking for some bounce-back from Monk, maybe some Ellington minutes. Monk in particular has had a spate of bad luck in the form of shots rolling off the rim, rimming out and so on. Of course, a vintage Carmelo Anthony performance would go a long way and I also expect to see some Rondo minutes.

    I’d love to be able to call this a revenge game but I still just see it as another trap game where we need to let our defense and our points in the paint lead the way and not overly-rely on three-point shots. Still, hate to say it but here it comes…

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    • Will the NBA whisper a little sumpin-sumpin in the zebras ears and Lo, the Lakers shall shoot a bevvy, nay, a cart full of free throws!

      • Hi, Jamie. I just want to say thank you for posting that “Pressure drop” song by Toots and the Maytals in your last 5er. They are one of my favorite groups. Unfortunately, Toots Hibert passed away in September of last year. Him and the likes of Desmond Dekker and Johnny Nash are greatly missed. In terms of loss and hardship, some losses stand out for the love, inspiration and joy they represent for so many.

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    5 Things: Lakers defense reverts to early-season form but Lakers squeak by Houston

    Well that felt like it was closer than it needed to be. A lot of extraordinary things happened in last night’s game but perhaps the most was the fact that the refs decided to just lose 2 points the Lakers had as a result of their terrible officiating. In the end it didn’t mater (barely) and the Lakers came away with the W. More important to me is that after holding a Houston team to 85 points that exact same team blew up for 116. Defense is still a work in progress.

    1. The Legend of the Missing Points. So the refs made a mistake. Cool, it happens. The way they “fixed” that mistake was absurd. To simply remove those points from the board doesn’t fix a damned thing it only penalizes the Lakers in the form of a lost possession for something they didn’t do. This needs to be addressed by the NBA on down the line but at the end of the day it is not a team’s fault, nor should they be essentially punished for, an officiating error. Players don’t get do-overs. Coaches don’t get do-overs. Officials shouldn’t either. A cooler, in-house way of dealing with that would have been to tell coach Silas about the error and let him know there would be some gift free throws coming his way. but to take away the points, and thus the possession which nobody can say how it would have worked out, is just plain wrong. NBA refs have a tough job, agreed, but they still need to do it well and they are not handling much of anything very well at this stage in the season.
    2. In reality, those two points shouldn’t have mattered, The Laker defense was by far the uglier issue fromm last night’s win than the blown officiating. We almost let the young Rockets run us off the floor, with some transition buckets off our own made baskets and with some terrible three point close outs. Credit the Rockets for a bevvy of adjustments but also you have to worry about a defense that is still giving up a ton of points. The issue is the bench and centers not named Anthony Davis. However, since the roster is essentially minimum contracts, the onus is on Frank to make it work. The man has his work cut out for him. Getting some guys back in the next couple weeks should help as well as more film sessions but at the end of the day defense is a heart and hustle stat and the Lakers as a team need to show a little more and rely on talent and past accolades a little less.
    3. Best game by the trio to date. This game did give us one particularly awesome highlight: solid games by Russ, LBJ and AD. They all scored 27 or more points, as a trio they only turned the ball over 11 times (considering what it’s been in some games this is a vast improvement and one that I hope continues) and chipped in 22 rebounds, 20 assists, 5 steals and 3 blocks (AD handled the blocking all on his own). That is gonna work more often than not to bring home a W. The rest of the team only scored 35 points so the balance between the Trio and The Others is still a work in progress but give me solid games from those 3 every night and we’ll have a chance to win. Nice to see them gelling.
    4. The Lakers three point shooting. I’m sure it’s no secret that I don’t have a strong belief in the power of the almighty three in the modern game. It’s an unreliable scoring mechanism unless you have the following: elite shooters at multiple positions, a well-integrated offensive system that enables and maximizes those specific shooters, and the will to let it fly in the face of absurdity. We have had decent three point shooters on this roster for years. Be it Danny Green, Wes Matthews, Wayne Ellington, or whome-ever the Lakers have brought in they, to a man, seem to regress here in LA. That is, in my opinion, because of points 2 and 3. Much was made of the new offense Frank installed but on the court, in reality, I’m not really seeing much of a difference. We come down, guys screen, the ball moves from strong to weak (often with an ill-advised cross court pass) sometimes we dump it into AD at the post, sometimes Russ asks for a screen, sometimes LeBron does LeBron things. Really, to me, it looks very much like the same offense we run which is to say a pedestrian one at best. 5 out sets could be the answer, I suppose, but the team has to commit to running them and they don’t seem to be. But the real issue is point three: let it fly in the face of absurdity. This isn’t just from the coach but it definitely starts there. Mike D’Antoni, I’m sure, talks about defense when he’s coaching. I’m sure he spends just as much, if not more, time talking about how if you see daylight you shoot. That you will never be taken out of the game for missing a three, that there are no bad shots, and he drills that into your head. I don’t think Frank is that kind of coach, at least not on offense. I’m sure he drills defensive terms and conspets in a similar fashion and then, of course, talks about how it would be great to shoot the open shot. But not in the face of absurdity, he wants the quality shots, the good looks and not the “I’M FEELING IT MAN!!!!” shots. In truth there is but one, maybe 2, Lakers who are possessed of the correct shooters mentality and that is Carmello Anthony and maybe (we’ll see) Wayne Ellington. Hence the 6-25 from three because that wasn’t great Rockets defense, just bad shooting on our part and a lot of that comes from within.
    5. The Kent Bazemore effect. While I’m not sure that Avery Bradley as a starter is set in stone I feel like Kent Bazemore has etched his name into the Stone of Lakers Starters for the season or until something displaces him. The dude has been beyond solid on D, takes and makes the shots that are created for him and flat out plays the game the way you want to see when sharing the court with multiple HOFers. I don’t think Kent has had a single “Wow, look at Bazemroe go off!” but rather has been the model of stability and even-keeled contributions. That low level of variance in his play is a huge factor in my wanting him to stay a starter. Melo has all the tools and all the credentials but a lot of his impact relies solely on his shot falling. That can’t be counted on every night. Bradley has a lot of the tools but is on the small side and we have a PG in Westbrook and a need for a better-defending playmaker off the bench to keep Rondo on ice until the playoffs. Monk is just too inconsistent on both ends. I’ll be surprised if Frank sticks with AD at the 5 but we’ll see soon enough, still i think it likely that both the matchup provided by Houston and the injury to Dwight are what’s pressed Vogel to this point, I suppose the only thing we can collectively hope for is that he likes what he sees so much that he lets it roll for a few games. Bottom line for me is, even when Nunn and THT and Ellington come back (and eventually Ariza but I’m thinking we want to keep him on little bit of ice until the playoffs, as well), I think we need Kent on the floor to start games. Maybe someone comes on like gangbusters and changes this equation but nothing I saw in camp, which was admittedly limited because of injuries, makes me think his fit isn’t nigh perfect for the style of basketball we want to play.

    2 wins against a team we ought to beat. Good enough to keep me pleased if not ecstatic or willing to declare this team anything but one that is slowly improving. if we can improve while we win, so much the better . Seeing the Trio thrive the way they did last night was awesome, more of that please but with better contributions from the bench. Go Lakers.

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    • Good fiver, Jamie, but still too much doubt and not enough faith.

      1) The Legend of the Missing Points. Talk about a crazy move by the zebra. Glad to see Lakers challenging this. Could easily have cost them the game. Your point about players not getting do-overs is spot on. It’s like when refs call makeup fouls.

      2) Laker defense was by far the uglier issue from last night’s win. Just one of those games where everybody on the Rockets was suddenly an elite 3-point shooter. What can you say? Great O will usually beat great D. I mean Green was lethal from deep as we saw with those last two threes, including the Hail Mary.

      3) Best game by the trio to date. No doubt. 30/27/27 was best effort by our superstar big three yet. All three superstars did their part in getting to the rim. Lakers have shown over the last few games that they can get all three superstars on the same page. Steady progress, especially fitting Russ into the team.

      4) Lakers three point shooting sucked. You missed biggest point, which was Lakers scored 78 points in the paint, the most by any NBA team this season. We lost the 3-point battle by 30 points but won the PIP battle by 28 points and free throws by 10 points. By the way, Lakers are still a top ten 3-point shooting team.

      5) The Kent Bazemore effect. Baze has been playing great. His effort on defense has been magnificent. Problem with Baze is he’s playing the three right now and really does not have the size to play that position. He’s really a two guard and that’s where his chance to start will be. Ariza is likely to replace him at the three. Ideally, we still need to upgrade both the two and three.

      • I see, more faith and belief, eh. If you have such faith why are you already trading 1/4 of the roster man? lol,,,one side says: have faith! The other: these guys can’t get it done, ship ’em out! One side says: you’re chicken little! And the other says: This roster can’t win a championship as it is!

        Too funny…tooooo funny…

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    5 Things: Lakers defense leads the way in win over Rockets

    Before anyone tells me about how the Rockets are in rebuilding mode I’m gonna say it doesn’t matter. That’s an NBA team with potential All Stars, solid young pieces and a good coach. They are, in short, an NBA team. Just as the loss to OKC was an indictment against the veteran team, keeping the pressure on a young team shows the kind of poise one should expect from this version of the Lakers. In what is quickly becoming an improbable theme: Carmelo Anthony led the way.

    1. Settling for the team you are or becoming the team you are destined to be? In some ways this was a game that was going to define the early-season Lakers. Lose and suddenly you can’t say the loss to OKC was a fluke but rather the beginning of a trend. Win and you can start to build some early season momentum, which has certainly been lacking up to this point. I doubt anyone expected the Lakers to come into this contest at .500 and needing to prove that they can beat a team like Houston with defense and not just watching the points crank upwards and hoping we end the game with more. But in many ways this game was as must-win of an early season as there could be for a team loaded with banner aspirations and with the caliber of talent and vets. The Lakers did right by their expectations and themselves with perhaps their most complete defensive effort to date by holding Houston to a mere 85 points.
    2. Adjusting to the new rules and how the refs and each crew interprets them. It’s far too easy to lay the blame of a bad game or bad stretch at the feet of the referees, it’s why I really go out of my way to explicitly not do that. But this getting absurd. I’m fairly certain this is the 7th straight game where we haven’t shot anywhere near the number of free throws as the opposition and it’s not because we’re a jump-shooting team. Nor are we a team populated with drifters, leg-kickers, sideways jumpers or any of the other clues the league is trying to crack down and limit. So…what gives? LeBron gets hit across the head on a layup? Nothing. Ad gets hit on his way into the paint and across the arms on his shots? Nothing. Russ gets mugged driving the ball? Nothing. This one of those things that one would imagine would balance out over time but it’s definitely affected more than one game in this young season and it’s hard to see how it’s based on reputations.
    3. AD started at the 5! Likely this was due to the injury to Dwight Howard (stiff neck) but it still happened and it definitely helped set a more intense defensive tone early and made it easier to keep that vibe going through out. Adding Avery Bradley to that starting group helped as well in that it gave the team a legit ball hawk to start the game off. I really hope Frank sticks with this line up moving forward. It takes pressure off of Russ and LeBron to make every play happen, gives us plus defenders in the paint and the perimeter and AB can score when called upon. Add in Bazemore or Ariza (when he’s healthy) and that’s a solid defensive line up that can also score in a variety of ways. It just sets us up to play the brand of basketball we want to see from the jump and, unless the play of Dwight or DeAndre warrants it, I don’t see why we should go back.
    4. Valuing possessions. One really easy way to keep the lid on a young team is to value the ball and make the most of every possession. With only 14 turnovers the Lakers did just that which is good because it seemed like every time we coughed the rock up Houston went down and scored to the tune of 32 points off of turnovers which helped get them back into the game. The Lakers used their own defense to force 27 turnovers and stymie the run of the Rockets even if we couldn’t pull away like one would like to see.
    5. Carmelo Anthony 6th man of the year. Let it begin now: Melo should definitely be in the running for the 6th man of the year award if he continues to play at this level. For the season AD is leading the way with 179 points, Russ is behind him at 128 and LeBron and Melo are neck and neck with 119 and 117, respectively. This is the 2nd time Anthony has led the team in scoring off the bench and often in fewer than 30 minutes. He’s shooting a blistering 52.2% from three and 50% flat from the floor. He’s playing decent D for Melo and he’s fitting in perfectly. He also blocked 4 shots tying a career high. While it’s likely Carmelo cools off eventually and has a down game or stretch of games it is quite enjoyable watching him hoop. Love Melo as a Laker and I’m just gonna keep right on saying that.

    Lakers should win on Tuesday but they have to beware of the trap-like nature of this game: we just beat the Rockets, they’re young and scrappy and we still have a lot of room for improvement. Shave off some of that room by coming out and dominating the Rockets for a full 48 and win going away. Go Lakers.

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    • Aloha Jamie, nice 5. I agree with most of your points but there were a couple of things for me that was a little troubling. I really loved the defensive intensity. But it’s been a while since I’ve seen a team commit so many unforced turnovers. It seems like for every turnover the Lakers earned the Rockets gifted them another. One wonders what the outcome would have been without as many gifts, considering we allowed the Rockets to hang around in the 2nd half. But at least this time, it was offense not defense that provided the Rockets 2nd and 3rd chances. I can’t remember the last time a Lakers teams missed that many easy shots. Again lack of focus? Or just one of those weird things that’s happens occasionally. I had predicted that we would win ugly early on and this was ugly. Not sure if Avery starts when Nunn gets back. Nunn is also a pesky defender so we will see. I do know that our 2nd unit will be one of the best when we are healthy and Melo will lead the way.

      • Good points, Michael. I think Nunn and Ellington will challenge Bradley to start at the two and Ariza could challenge Bazemore to start at the three.

        Nunn might have the edge because of his shooting and defense but if Ellington can shoot the three like Melo, it may be hard to keep him out of the starting lineup.

        If Ariza can still hit threes and defend, his 6-8 size will be hard to keep out of the starting lineup as Kent is really only 6-4 but has those 7-0 arms.

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    5 Things: Lakers do it with defense and beat Cavs

    It took awhile for the Lakers to show the kind of defensive intensity that we’ve all grown accustomed to from a Frank Vogel coached team and having a generally healthy LeBron James didn’t hurt, either. The Lakers got back to .500 with a solid second half defensive effort that, if truth be told, really started with a couple minutes to go in the first half to bring the two teams back to a tie going into the break. Keyed by a stellar scoring night from Carmelo and the dominant interior presence of Dwight Howard the Lakers won at STAPLES for just the second time in 4 tries.

    1. The stealth impact of Avery Bradley. Not much was made when the Lakers claimed AB off of waivers save for some folks to quip about the overall age of the team just keeps on creeping north. While there are issues with the team age adding Bradley should have been a no-brainer who saw how he was able to flourish on the floor with LeBron and AD in the regular season prior to COVID-19. That has continued in his second tour and he was one of the keys to last night’s win. I’m sure Frank will dust off Rondo on occasion, break the glass when the ball stops and we need a little more on court savvy, but for the most part those minutes should go to Bradley for the time being. Getting back THT and Nunn might change that but for now I don’t see sense in not putting Bradley on the floor especially when Russ is running the show. He plays the slow-control Yin to Russ’ hyper-force Yang. It gives us another defense minded guy who can hit from the outside and run a set play.
    2. The juice Carmelo brings to the arena. Is it just me or does it feel like Laker fans have waited about 20 years for Carmelo to suit up for the Lakers? I remember when he was out of basketball being utterly mystified we didn’t make him an offer. Well, here he is and he’s kicking booty. Yes, you will get some bad shooting performances. Yes, you will get some lackluster defense. You also get the equivalent of an old west gunfighter who has never lost a quick draw. The man can flat score the basketball and he can do it from anywhere. As soon as he gets off the bench the crowd gets juiced, even in most away arenas since Laker fans dominate planet Earth. Last night he missed his first shot and missed not but 2 more out of 12 going a deadly 6-8 from three. In short, Melo is a joy to watch hoop. Even for crusty, defense-first guy like me.
    3. Getting the King back out there. I know one of the big reasons we got the third superstar caliber player to go along with LBJ and AD was to give us a cushion for when one of them goes down, needs to sit, foul trouble, etc. But…c’mon, this is LeBron’s team people and it has been since he signed here. He says things that indicate otherwise but the Lakers need LeBron like Earth needs an atmosphere. We need to do everything we can to not replicate the issues the Brooklyn Nets have faced with their big three in that they have barely played together and frankly that may end up being the only legend they forge at this point depending on how long Kyrie chooses not to sit (hint: until NYC changes it’s vaxx mandate). The Lakers are going as far as AD, Russ and LeBron take them and in the spirit of that the Lakers need them to get time together and for Frank to figure out what works when they’re not on the floor in the flow. In terms of last night’s game, James didn’t blow the roof off the arena but his presence is so stabilizing. On defense he can be a game-changer and he is the engine that drives our offense, this was all on full display last night as he continued his dominance over the team that drafted him #1.
    4. Davis chipping in, too. Davis has been focused a lot more on playing in the paint and it’s starting to become a weapon. Fewer step back, fade away shots and more drives to the rim. He was 1-2 from three which we will also need. But he can be, and is, such a dominant paint presence even playing the style of basketball he prefers. AD was a big part of our defense which was key in a game where we once again gave up 20+ free throws to the opposition. He was also a big reason why we reverted to type and dominated in the paint, again.
    5. Some interesting numbers: 27 being the number of threes we shot which is right in line i regards to that being the number of attempts we ought to be shooting. Much more than 30 and I feel like it reveals a lazy, unorganized approach on offense. 60-44=16 being the difference in paint points we scored which helped offset the 6 points we gave up at the free throw line. 9 which was the number of field goals we made more than the Cavs as our offense executed at it’s highest level to date. Lastly, and most importantly: 16 which was the total number of points the Cavs scored in the 4th quarter. The Lakers need to bottle that quarter and send it to the brewery or wherever basketball mojo is brewed because I could stand for a lot more of that kind of thing.

    We kept a team under 100 for the first time this season in any game played. We had our best defensive effort so far and we got the majority of the roster playing together. Could this be the page-turning game we’ve all been looking for? The one where the Lakers as a team can overcome the individual warts in the singular games of each of it’s players? Where superstars known more for scoring can chip in and play decent defense? I sure hope so because up until this point there just hasn’t been much that’s fun or exciting to watch. I’ve started the process of talking myself into accepting that 20 turnovers is an acceptable number for this team since you basically have to spot LBJ and RW 5 each which leaves 10 for the rest of the team. At any rate, solid win and one that is to the form we hope to see from the team going forward. Go Lakers.

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    • Best fiver this young season, Jamie. Pretty much agree with everything you said. Glad to see you back away from the ledge. Great sign for our defense in the fourth quarter. Now they need to keep their pedal to the metal going forward. Top priority is not to allow any backsliding. Let’s win games and get healthy.

      • While one quarter does not a season make it certainly gives a bar to reach for every night. Cause if you can do it for a quarter do it for a half and so on.

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    5 Things: Lakers collapse against Thunder then lose composure

    I hearken back to last season in moments like these. Moments when I was ridiculed, berated and told to “stop worrying” when I brought up the incredible number of turnovers the team coughed up last season. In the moments that I thought to myself, “Maybe I am worrying about nothing…?” I would, as I generally do, stick to my guns and continue to insist it was an issue that could (and ended up being a major culprit in) derailing our repeat title hopes. This season, since we solidified the roster, the defense has been my #1 concern as it would seem both on paper and in reality that this team couldn’t stop a hobbled turtle from escaping. In short, this Laker team has some major issues to address.

    1. 115. That’s the minimum number of points the Lakers have allowed in every single game this season. Don’t worry, we’ve allowed even more in some games, too! This continues a trend in preseason (which some believe doesn’t matter at all, I feel differently) where we gave up an average of 119.3 points per game. So, while one might assume that things would improve once the intensity of the regular season became a factor and the games really matter, in reality it’s gotten slightly worse as we now are giving up 119.6 points per game. That’s a number that will get coach Vogel canned sooner than later. If a defense-first coach can’t get a team to buy in and/or execute the defense then the defense-first coach becomes expendable. Especially when the roster has been filled out with minimum contract players.
    2. The minimum contract players. I was worried about the composition of the roster before preseason and it’s a full blown concern now. The issue isn’t that the roster doesn’t have talent, one could actually make a point that the talent level is possibly too high and we need more yeoman type of guys to put forth the proper effort on defense. The issue is that these guys are all defined already, some of them are fighting for their first ring, Dwight wants a parade, and so on. Only a handful are young players still looking to prove themselves. We have 5 bonafide first ballot Hall of Famers on the team (LeBron, Davis, Dwight, Russ and Carmelo), role players that have championship pedigree and guys who have accumulated the ancillary NBA accolades. It just feels like we lack the right kind of fire and hunger that you want to see in a team that can go all the way.
    3. The lack of composure. Russ’ late game meltdown (which I felt was unwarranted, with 1.5 seconds to go and being up only 3 that dunk sealed the win for OKC and was not pouring salt in the wound) is just the latest in an early string of surprising losses of composure from what should be a veteran team. Dwight and AD fighting, Russ losing his mind at a game sealing dunk, and the loss of guys like Kidd and Lionel Hollins and…yes…Jared Dudley have all eroded the locker room chemistry that even through the litany of injuries and myopic play last season stayed strong. At least to the public. No longer. Like a daytime soap opera the drama is on full display for all to see and it’s getting ugly real quick. This one circles right back to the coach, again. Vogel seems content to let the team police itself, that he seems to feel his job is to set forth the plan and then yell at refs. Would Phil Jackson have allowed the spirit and harmony of the team to get to this point? Certainly not, he would’ve come up with an obscure ceremony that helped put things in perspective and then benched the young guys, of course.
    4. Wasn’t there a game last night? Yes, and we lost it in stunning fashion to an 0-4 team we were up 26 points to. The issues above have been here from the start and I didn’t even touch on Russell’s quadruple double that he achieved via 10 turnovers or our inability to generate a quality shot over the last couple of minutes in the 4th quarter or our mediocre three point shooting (but with volume!) or inability to defend without fouling (the Thunder shot 29 free throws last night, were the more physically aggressive team and beat our azzes, kudos to them but we should have won this game going away). If we can’t solve these basic, core issues this team will win a decent number of games and be bounced out of the playoffs within two rounds. I don’t care how much center Anthony Davis plays or how many threes we shoot. If the spirit of the team isn’t right, if we can’t defend or come up with something resembling a quality offense, this season is going to be another wasted one for LeBron and the Lakers.
    5. Well Mr. Grumpus what do YOU think we can do to fix this? Get healthy and that’s not happening soon. By the time we get guys like Ariza, THT and Ellington back we could be in quite the hole in the loaded western conference. Depending on how truly severe LeBron’s ankle injury is (listed as questionable for tonight and nobody saying the kind of things like “if it were the playoffs I’d play”) it might not really matter anymore. Our 2 wins came in the form of Ja Morant missing a free throw and failing to force overtime and against the Spurs…in overtime. The Spurs are another rebuilding team and it’s feeling to me quite lucky that Ja missed that free throw or this could be `1-4, at best. Luckily for Frank we won those games because the last Laker coach to start the season 0-5 lost his job by the 8th game. If that happens this season, with the roster not having any continuity at all, I don’t think much will improve. Firing Vogel won’t fix what ails us at this point, or at least it’s not likely to fix it soon enough. The truth is that this will fix itself if, and only if, Russ, LeBron and AD can figure out a way to dominate as a trio. Other than that we just don’t have what it takes on the roster.

    The only good thing is that we’re not 10 games in and it’s possible we’re getting all the bad mojo out of the woodworks early. Dwight and AD seem to have truly squashed whatever beef that they had, LeBron isn’t likely to be out for the whole season as I think they’re just waiting for him to not feel limited with the ankle, and Russ will get better. Time is the Lakers enemy right now. The more time it takes for things to coalesce the harder the road gets. We need to feast on these rebuilding teams and treat them like the pond scum they are. If we can’t fatten up on the early portion of the schedule and build a little cushion for ourselves it just means the tight rope gets longer and higher as the season wears on. Best to get across it early.

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    • I’m always amazed at how glass-half-empty people totally lose perspective whenever early troubles hit their sports team or political candidates. They become veritable Chicken Littles, pimping how they were right last season when their predictions of disaster came true while ignoring how many times their crying ‘Fire’ on the blog turned out to be false alarms two years ago when we won our 17th NBA championship.

      1. No, Frank Vogel’s is not going to be fired based on his record 5 games into the season. The NBA season is a marathon and we’re just leaving the starting gate. If the defense doesn’t improve as we get healthy, then we will see major trades before the deadline. Lakers knew they had holes that still needed filling. My bet is we will see modest improvement but will still make major moves at the deadline to get a stretch four who can guard wings.

      2. Frankly, we haven’t seen many of our minimum salary players, including Ariza and Ellington, two guys touted as likely starters by the pundits before the season. I think we’ve seen excellent starts to the season from Monk, Reaves, and Bazemore. The injuries have just hit us at the positions and roles where we were weakest.

      3. I have mixed feelings about the lack of composure. First, I do think chemistry is far more important than most fans do. Second, however, I think you have to differentiate between recurring behavior and single incident behavior when you’re criticizing players. 5 games is far too small a sample size. I don’t think there’s any chemistry problem with this team.

      4. Yeah, we got problems, especially defensively, but come on, man. This is just one game. And only the fifth in a long season. We’ll have 77 more games to fix the problems we have and several months before the trade deadline to consider moves to upgrade the roster. It’s silly to lose faith in the team this early.

      • Aloha Jamie,
        I was concerned coming into the season about our defense. and i still am. Last night was embarrassing, and there was no excuse for it. Even big game James ripped them on air. he is usually more diplomatic then that. That said, we havent had the oppurtunity to see what this defense will eventually look like. Nunn has a defensive reputation and he was receiving rave reviews in training camp. Of course Trevor is a solid denfender. while THT was also looking very good on the defensive side. i will reserve my judgement until after we get those guys back. probably wont see much of Rondo, once Nunn returns. and i doubt you will see Melo in crunch time when we need stops once we get guys back. one could make an argument that 4 of our 6 best defenders were out. i wasnt one of those guys predicting a 19 and 2 start. I knew it would take a while.

        • Yeah, it’s going to take more than a little time. Just a question of how long. If it’s the whole 2 months that Ariza is out for…that could be too long. If it’s in the coming weeks and we get a couple guys back and the fit right in and contribute at a high level…different story and it’s impossible to say which way things will go. More losses like last night though and it won’t matter who is play where and when: changes of some sort will be made.

      • 1) 2 words: Mike Brown. If this continues into game 7-10ish, Frank will be bye-bye.

        2) Agreed, but that’s life in the NBA. If you can’t adapt and figure out a way to win then someone will be brought in to replace you.

        3) I think there are a lot of issues with this team, being one comprised of vets and already having Russ tossed over what was decidedly not an “in your face” showing and Dwight and AD literally WWEing on the bench coupled with everything else is a red flag, to me.

        4) I don’t lose faith, I don’t really deal in faith. Life is a “prove it to me affair” what you did once is awesome. Now go do it again, and a again and so on. So, with that in mind, the Lakers need to prove it. They have won 2 games and have yet to hold an opponent under 115 points in any game they’ve played since assembling. While this wasn’t supposed to be a defensive juggernaut it also wasn’t supposed to be Matador Training School for Beginners. The 36 year old Ariza is not the solution i and of himself. Right now I feel like I can count on Kent and AD and that’s about it on D. So, even if this isn’t a huge issue in the regular season (I still see us making the playoffs, after all) it does mean we will be outted quickly if this is the best they can muster. So far, this is the very best they can muster and it isn’t anywhere near enough.

      • Also in regards to this: I’m always amazed at how glass-half-empty people totally lose perspective whenever early troubles hit their sports team or political candidates. They become veritable Chicken Littles, pimping how they were right last season when their predictions of disaster came true while ignoring how many times their crying ‘Fire’ on the blog turned out to be false alarms two years ago when we won our 17th NBA championship.

        I vividly recall an early season podcast last season where I brought up turnovers and you said something essentially like this only to see you come around and by season’s end be harping on the turnovers. So, it’s not about “pimping” my brain and it’s ability to discern patterns it’s the fact that that, and these, patterns are so very easy to discern. Frankly, I’d rather be wrong if I’m honest even though it is fun to be right. No Lakers fan should want to be right about the current state of the team. I would very much like to see Russ succeed in the purple and gold because he’s one of my favorite players to watch play. So far, they’re not proving they can make this work and until they do, well, this is reality baby and not rose-colored dreamland.

        • And, in the spirit of pimping my big old brain, I also vividly recall a discussion with a co-worker in which he told me that there was no way Trump would win the GOP nomination and I told him that he wasn’t just wrong about that but that he was going to be surprised when he saw how close it could be between Trump and whomever the DNC nominated.

          Never underestimate the power of hate and resentment, it drives people almost as much as the desire for money and success. Sad, but true.

        • I’ve always believed I would rather be wrong about my criticism and have the Lakers win than be right and have them lose. Nothing wrong with stating your opinion. Just have to be man enough to take the heat for your position, admit when you’re wrong, and don’t be an ass when you’re right.

          Regardless of GHE, you , Sean, and Gerald have always met those other criteria so I don’t really have a problem with it. Just find it laughingly funny and predictable. So blog on and we’ll see who’s right in the end; cancer or championship?

      • Westy is playing better except Turn Overs are awful.

    • It’s not the coach, it’s the players. They wouldn’t be here without LeBron’s approval. But if it turns out to be the coach, remember who replaced Mike Brown. I trust the people who are infinitely smarter and better informed than me to get it right. Cheer the wins, accept the losses until I can’t watch anymore. Which has never happened.

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    5 Things: Lakers outlast pesky Spurs in OT

    It’s no secret that the Lakers are figuring this out on the go. Already behind the 8 ball a bit due to new faces, injuries and with Frank introducing a new offense the Lakers haven’t looked like a team with championship aspirations out of the gate. It’s games like the one last night that we need to win, regardless of how it happens. With the easier part of our schedule coming over the next couple of weeks the Lakers would do themselves a big favor by feasting on some of the bottom-feeding teams they’re slated to play. Lose those games and you could put yourself in the unenviable situation of having to fight uphill for lower seeding. Win, keep pace with the west, all while improving and you set yourself up to be a top four seed. This is our chance to get off on the good foot after a rough start, time to seize the moment.

    1. Anthony Davis playing large. Davis did a lot more damage inside, had a phenomenal game on the glass and was a presence on defense with 4 blocks. With LeBron sitting out to manage a sore leg after another collision the Lakers needed their other two superstars to step up and help bring home the win. That box got checked in a big way last night. After the 3rd quarter it looked like LA was going to squander a winnable game as a result of defensive breakdowns and poor execution. AD was everywhere in the 4th quarter and OT, grabbing boards and playing big. While he missed all his three pointers in the game I’d prefer AD to be dominant in the paint where we need him to be a consistent force. Even when LeBron comes back I feel like the Lakers are at their best when they play through AD and force the other team to contend with his size, skills and talent. When he plays in the shadows we’re a weaker team.
    2. Russell Westbrook finding his way. Small surprise that Westbrook asserted himself with LeBron out, it’s that exact kind of situation that Russell thrives in: ball in his hands, big man screening and presenting a lob target and the defense having to choose. #0 uncorked some vintage moves in the paint last night and was a force equal to Anthony Davis and had it not been for some of the shots he set up not going in it’s likely he would have had a triple-double last night. On a ight where we needed every possession to be a good one Westbrook also had one of his better games thus far in regards to taking care of the ball. 3 turnovers is quite livable when it comes to a guy like Russ. In a game where we needed another high wattage player to get us over the hump, Westbrook delivered.
    3. Here one game, gone the next. The Laker bench, which was such a strength in our first win, was almost non-existent last night. At least in terms of scoring. Carmelo couldn’t throw it in the ocean, Reaves and Rondo struggled defensively and Monk was pressed into starter duty (at which he excelled, more on that later). Of the 4 guys who came off the bench only Dwight had a positive impact and it would seem the on-court dust up was enough for him to get back focused and contributing in a positive way. Where they did show some mettle was on the glass and that’s a good thing. The Lakers have been getting out-rebounded which, for a team that starts DeAndre Jordan and grants Dwight Howard major minutes alongside AD and with superlative rebounder Westbrook in the fold, is unfathomable.
    4. Austin Reaves had a great growing pains game. While Austin got lost on more than a few pick and roll coverages (and he wasn’t alone, either, as a team the Lakers are really struggling out of the gate defending simple pick and rolls) he was our most efficient three point shooter and got major minutes. The quicker we can get some of the younger guys like Reaves, Monk and Nunn acclimated into our system and how we want to defend P&R actions, where their shots are going to come from and how to fit in alongside three superlative NBA talents the better. While Reaves isn’t likely to make fans forget the impact of Alex Caruso any time soon he has a chance to forge his own “gritty glue guy” legend in his own way.
    5. Malik Monk had his best game as a Laker. While he didn’t have the most efficient game Monk was huge in that he kept the pressure on with his outside shooting helping keep the middle of the floor open for Westbrook to attack the rim. Monk is basically playing for his next deal which, because of how the CBA works, all but assures it won’t be as a Laker. Still, Monk can up his value by contributing in the exact way he did last night. We have a lot of guys that fit this mold and may be one year showcases on the most popular team in sport. Since there are so many guys on minimum deals it limits what we can offer them this summer to stay and, should a better deal come along it’s all but certain they’ll take it. Still, a legacy can be formed in a single season and if Monk can show he’s up to the task the big deal he didn’t see this season may be out there next summer.

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    • Very good writeup, Jamie. The only thing I would add to this excellent post is about AD. I have said multiple times last season that he needs to attack the paint more as his modus operandi. He needs to minimize his penchant for long jumpers. Occasional three-pointers are okay if the situation calls for it. His three- pointers can be very demoralizing to opponents, and they boost the team’s morale. But AD is at his best when he makes a living in the paint. So, I am glad he did exactly just that last night.

      • Nice 5 Jamie. If AD plays even close to that all year he will definitely be an MVP candidate and DPY winner.

        Monk was great, his offense was nice but he played good defense as well. I’m mean he was +31 and the team was -27 without him. All is not lost with Monk. If Russ were to opt out of his contract like C3P to negotiate a longer deal. We could have up to 21 mil in cap space if Nunn also opts out, which he probably will. Now I’m not sure on this but I believe we could sign Monk before resigning Russ. Now we may have denounce Russ’s bird rights but I doubt they will be offering him 50 mil a year anyway. Somewhere in the 35 mil range over 3 or 4 years.

    • Great fiver, Jamie. Always a struggle to finish an article when there are back-to-back games. Appreciate the effort.

      1) AD playing large. Elite defense and 10 of 12 makes in the restricted area. Davis dominated at both ends of the court. Looking like early season candidate for DPOY with his elite blocks and steals. This may finally be the year AD takes the baton from LeBron. At any rate, AD did his part in the Lakers figuring out how to win without LeBron. I agree with you that we need AD to be a force down low more than a 3-point shooter, although I like him taking 5 threes per game.

      2) Russ finding his way. This is why I’ve pushed for the Lakers to add a third superstar. Even if that superstar is flawed in some ways like Russ, the ability to have two superstars on the court when LeBron is on the bench or taking a game off due to injury cannot be underestimated. It’s the key to Lakers winning the championship. Winning the non-LeBron minutes is going to transform this team.

      3) Lakers’ bench comes up short. Part of why the bench didn’t have the impact they did the previous game is Carmelo only scored 4 points and Malik Monk started the game instead of coming off the bench. Also, we’re still missing four players who were going to be in our rotation. We’ll have to struggle with the rotations until we get healthy or make a trade at midseason.

      4) Austin Reaves played over 30 minutes, quite a vote of confidence from Frank Vogel for the undrafted heir to Alex Caruso’s Lakers BENCH GOAT title. Hit 2 of 4 from deep, played excellent defense, and continued to show he belongs. What hurt Reaves’ plus/minus is he was on the floor when the Spurs took over the game in the third quarter, which hurt his plus/minus. Overall, another good game by Austin.

      5) Malik Monk got only his second start in five years in the Association and made the most of it, scoring 17 points, including 4 of 10 from deep, including a 31-foot splashing three with about a minute left in the fourth quarter that was almost the Lakers’ game winner. Monk also dished out three assists and showed he could put the ball on the floor and attack the rim with his floater. Great game. Looking forward to Melo and Monk lighting it up from the bench.

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    5 Things: Lakers bench rises to the challenge in win over Memphis

    There it is, the first of what should be many more wins for this iteration of the Lakers. The Lakers gutted out a gritty win over the Grizzlies from Memphis and in the doing quieted some of the chatter surrounding the cohesion, chemistry and composition of the team. While the issues that were troubling remain so (points in the paint, defense without fouling, turnovers) the Lakers, as a team, were able to overcome those and bring home win #1.

    1. What a game by Carmelo Anthony! On a night he passed Moses Malone on the All Time scoring list to move into the #9 slot Carmelo also sealed the win with a couple of free throws and paced the team in scoring with 28 points. There will be nights where Melo won’t be able to throw it in the ocean and not be up to the task on defense. But then there will also be glorious nights like last night where you just think it’s going in when it leaves his hands. We needed every one of those highly efficient 28 points to overcome Ja and the pesky Grizzlies. Anthony went a superb 10-15 from the floor, 6-8 from three and chipped in 3 boards, 2 blocks and an assist and a steal leading a stellar effort in general from the Lakers bench.
    2. Malik Monk had a solid bounce-back effort. Monk is fighting to prove he should stick in the rotation when some guys get back healthy. Frank went with a shorter, 10 man rotation last night and Monk featured prominently in minutes that had been going to Rondo. He did well on both ends and shot well from beyond the arc. His 4 assists were a boon and were a big part of the benches success last night as the second unit did a great job moving the ball and not letting the rock stick. Malik did pretty well on defense which is where he needs to prove he can contribute consistently if he wants a prominent role.
    3. Austin Reaves continues to impress. It’s getting harder and harder to come up with reasons as to why Frank doesn’t play Reaves more. While he will certainly go through some growing pains, especially on defense, it makes sense for the Lakers to get through those as early as possible because the kid has what it takes to be a force in the NBA. Maybe not an All-Star, but certainly a key cog on a team with banner expectations. In just 18 minutes Reaves played some decent defense and kept the ball moving by finding the open man for 3 dimes. Again, as with Monk, it’s the defensive end which will determine the extent of his role but the intangibles Austin brings are already having an impact.
    4. The starters are still struggling. Not one starter logged a positive +/- in what has become a fairly consistent pattern thus far. I’m sure there are metrics and measurements Frank and his staff use that allow them to justify this starting group but from my perspective it’s not working very well. I’m guessing this is pretty much set in stone at this point, barring injury, though. Frank is not one for changing things up, likes a set look and adapts to things in-game. While we could go on and on discussing the pros and cons of that approach it is the way things are run at this point. Therefor the best we can hope for, as fans, is that Frank, LeBron, Russ and AD can figure out how to make it work with DeAndre Jordan to start halves. I’m not thinking that there is anything else to hope for.
    5. While getting that first win was great the issues that are worrisome remain. We gave up an astonishing 62 points in the paint, got out-rebounded 49-36 and allowed the Grizzlies to shoot 53% overall. We were a Ja Morant missed free throw away from OT and who knows what happens then. It would appear it doesn’t mater which player plays at the five, we can’t stop anyone at the rim and teams are feasting on easy shots against us. They’re also killing us on the glass. If we want to reach our goals that area needs to improve as we’ll lose more games than not if that trend becomes the status quo.

    Fun fact, I happened to be at the Forum last night to see Phish and it’s always nice to be back in that building. We’re going to need a little old school LA magic for this to come together quickly and the quicker it does the more we can get around to the business of seeing what this team is really capable of. I think it will happen but the defining question of our season is when. When can this group put it all together on both ends consistently? We have a nice stretch of games coming up that feature teams we ought to beat. We pick up a couple wins, improve our defense and cohesion in the doing, and things should start to look up. While it is just one win, as the first two games were only two games, maybe this will be the thing that helps to start bringing it all together. We get another chance tomorrow night. Go Lakers.

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    • Thanks for the fiver, Jamie. It pretty much sums up everything that went on in the game.

      The game against Phoenix was the worst Lakers game I have ever watched. It goes without saying, that is why the preseason is very important in building chemistry. Our stars were left out of the lineups in the preseason instead of trying to integrate every one in the early going. It should have been known to everyone that a team with so many new parts need more than just the first week of the season to get started. The preseason should be treated as ” we need the preseason” instead of “the preseason needs us.”

      The loses to the Warriors and the Suns shouldn’t come as a surprise. Those teams already have built-in cohesion and continuity, and to think you are going to use them to prepare yourself at the start of the season, you are literally acting like drunkard begging for a knock out punch which is exactly what they got. The Lakers were completely punch drunk in these two defeats.

      There is hope with these Lakers team, and I mean a lot of it. They just need time to get this chemistry issue taken care of. There are 79 games to go for the season and this team will eventually explode in every team’s face. I like how they grind out the win against the Grizzlies. There will be more games like this as we go on.

      Just like the super team of the Miami Heat that went 9-8 to start the season, this Lakers team has the potential to eventually embark on harassing and tearing up teams as if they were asking for every team to hand in their resignations or else they will be smothered. This team will come alive at some point and it wont be good for many teams.

      There are a lot of wrinkles that need to be ironed out in terms of rotations and substitution patterns before the team reaches its potential, but we will get there.

      Finally, I want to thank everyone for the contributions to the blog.
      By the way, I am still recovering from my shoulder replacement surgery. So I am having difficulty typing with my left hand. That is why I have not been commenting that much.

      • Glad you’re on the mend Buba! It’s all good man, people do what they do and we carry on. Wrinkles indeed but I agree, the biggest question is the amount of time and where we’ll be in the standings when it all really comes together.

        • I think it will be in early December when this team starts going full throttle. However, it could be earlier than that if we have most of these newcomers having heroic moments like Melo did in the last game. Once their individual level of confidence goes up, we will see a well-oiled machine firing on all cylinders. I just don’t want to hear any more about injures as it takes away the wind out of our sail. Things will look rough before taking a turn for the better.

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    What amount of leash does Vogel have? 0-5? 4-10? 2-7? We’ve lost to 2 teams that have their whole core returning from last season. Sunday is Memphis, same situation : key cogs return, playoff team, All Star PG. Then San Antonio which is the the first game I have us winning (1-3 start). If we’re not at .500 after 10 games I think Frank could be in some real hot water.

    Thoughts?

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    What amount of leash does Vogel have? 0-5? 4-10? 2-7? We’ve lost to 2 teams that have their whole core returning from last season. Sunday is Memphis, same situation : key cogs return, playoff team, All Star PG. Then San Antonio which is the the first game I have us winning (1-3 start). If we’re not at .500 after 10 games I think Frank could be in some real hot water.

    Thoughts?

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    • I’m not sure. I think we win some of the upcoming games. They received serious servings of humble pie. If they bring that same 4th quarter energy as last night they are going to win a few. It might be ugly but they will win. I think it was a mistake not playing our stars together much in the preseason. They obviously didn’t get enough game time together. We were not ready for 2 of the best teams in the league out of the gate. Hopefully we can stay afloat while we wait for some of our other guys to get back. I’m reminded of the Heats first season with their new big 3. They lost a lot of games and had a losing record for awhile. So it does take time, especially when you have 11 new faces. I really wished that had kept Alex and Morris for a little more continuity. As well as energy and defense.

      • I want to say the Heat were 8-8 when they basically gave the ball to LeBron and got out of his way. That was over a decade ago, though…

        Agreed on Caruso and Morris. Re-acquiring Bradley is nice but he didn’t play in the Bubble, didn’t get forged in the same fire.

    • So…it’s not just 0-2 it’s cumulative…his offense became pedestrian w/o both Superstars…prob avoided because Russ…however his defense will suffer as a result…I was hoping for a 12-15 middle of pack defense…if we’re dealing with injuries and rotation tweaks and guys having to pick up slack (???) even more…the next 6 games are all winnable…If the Lakers go 2-4 or worse…there will be blood 🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸🩸

      • That sounds and feels about right. Frank got the “Hey, thanks for that 17th banner guy!” 1 year extension, that’s not job security. Really, in pro sport, coach takes the fall first almost always. Especially since they Fizzy in the wings now. If you thought the offense was bad before…lol

        2-4 when we’re already 0-2 means something like this:

        GSW – L
        PS – L
        Memphis Grizz – calling an L
        Spurs – calling this the first W but you know Pop will have an expensive Bordeaux in everyone’s locker if they win so…
        Thunder – W (they WANT to lose, lol…not sure what that long term vision is OK…)
        Cavs – L which would kinda be the shocker

        After that we got a back-to-back vs. Houston and another one against the Thunder. If we’re not at .500, or better, after that the knives will come out and the fire under the spit will be lit.

        However, the one thing you really want to avoid is “new ideas mid season guy” so the new coach will be either Phil or Fizzy. Does Phil want to be that guy? Can he be that guy? Not gonna lie, I think I’d rather see Handy than anyone else on the bench.

        (Jeannie Buss: “What’s Phil’s home number in Montana again…”)

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    5 Things: Lakers bumpy start turns rocky, fall to Suns

    Thanks for the fiver, Jamie. It pretty much sums up everything that went on in the game.

    The game against Phoenix was the worst Lakers game I have ever watched. It goes without saying, that is why the preseason is very important in building chemistry. Our stars were left out of the lineups in the preseason instead of trying to integrate every one in the early going. It should have been known to everyone that a team with so many new parts need more than just the first week of the season to get started. The preseason should be treated as ” we need the preseason” instead of “the preseason needs us.”

    The loses to the Warriors and the Suns shouldn’t come as a surprise. Those teams already have built-in cohesion and continuity, and to think you are going to use them to prepare yourself at the start of the season, you are literally acting like drunkard begging for a knock out punch which is exactly what they got. The Lakers were completely punch drunk in these two defeats.

    There is hope with these Lakers team, and I mean a lot of it. They just need time to get this chemistry issue taken care of. There are 79 games to go for the season and this team will eventually explode in every team’s face. I like how they grind out the win against the Grizzlies. There will be more games like this as we go on.

    Just like the super team of the Miami Heat that went 9-8 to start the season, this Lakers team has the potential to eventually embark on harassing and tearing up teams as if they were asking for every team to hand in their resignations or else they will be smothered. This team will come alive at some point and it wont be good for many teams.

    There are a lot of wrinkles that need to be ironed out in terms of rotations and substitution patterns before the team reaches its potential, but we will get there.

    Finally, I want to thank everyone for the contributions to the blog.
    By the way, I am still recovering from my shoulder replacement surgery. So I am having difficulty typing with my left hand. That is why I have not been commenting that much.

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    • I don’t want to think about the last time they went 0 for the preseason. Dwight shouldn’t either. Hopefully it comes together soon.

    • Aloha Jamie, great post. I agree with everything you said. I nearly turned off the game to watch Dune after the 3rd quarter. I’m glad I didn’t. I saw some signs of life in the 4th. The question that popped into my mind was, where was this energy in the 2nd and 3rd quarters? They played with a sense of desperation for the first time this year. We need that kind of effort all game. We are thin right now but when we get more bodies back we have the depth to play all out, all the time. One of the biggest disappointments for me was that they let the truly awful officiating get in their heads. This is a veteran group and that should never happen.

      Like everyone I believe AD should play at the 5 against most line ups. And I was thinking that the only time one of the other centers should see the floor was when AD rested. Now I’m wondering if we should see them even then. The stretch with Lebron at the 5 was one of the most impressive stretches in the game. I could imagine how that would look when we get our other guys back.

      You are right that the defense sucks, big time. I am encouraged by the guys that we will be eventually be getting back. Ariza is a very good defender and both THT and Nunn were both impressing the staff defensively before they were hurt. Still there is too much remaining talent to look this bad. I agree that Reeves impressed. At some point the league will have a book on him and we will see how he adjusts to that. Until then, we should take full advantage of him.

      We fortunately have a stretch of lesser teams but unless we ramp up the intensity and begin to figure it out, every team in the league will be a challenge.

      • Its saying something that the one guy who plays with any kind if fire within the system paradigms is a rookie looking to stick. I had hoped that the collection if vets which haven’t won a ring would play with similar fire but I ain’t seen it yet.

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    Carving up the Clippers like a Thanksgiving turkey that owes them money. I have the Warriors pegged as a top 6 seed and that may have been an under-sell…looking like world beaters right now.

    Warriors playing with knives out

    Carving up the Clippers like a Thanksgiving turkey that owes them money. I have the Warriors pegged as a top 6 seed and that may have been an under-sell…looking like world beaters right now.

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    • Clips turned it around to end the half but if Kerr has a halftime adjustment speech like he did against us this thing isn’t going to be interesting for much longer. Bledsoe playing like this could be huge for the Clippers, hasn’t found a coach who could unlock him next to high talent players, yet, and if Ty can do it they can hold their own until KL gets back.

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