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    5 Things: 5 wacky trade proposals of my own

    As the playoffs continue without the Lakers in them and since MLB is just getting warmed up (Go Angels) I’ve had ample time to come up with some trade proposals we could make of my own. Fair warning, not all of them involve Russ as I am of the opinion he has a 50/50 chance of being on the roster next season. Feel free to comment or add your own to the mix.

    1. Sorry, love me some Primus. Nobody all that foolish here ‘cept maybe yours truly. Anyhoozle. Here we go, trade notion #1: Jordan Clarkson ($13.3 mil) for THT and Nunn, straight up. Jazz get younger and add a shooter/playmaker to approximate what Clarkson does for them. This is contingent on the Jazz not making it out of the first round. They may not want to/be able to get good value for Gobert and THT and Nunn could start for a rebuilding Jazz, should they choose that route. They could also keep much of the core and make a peripheral change like the one above. No draft picks, just players. Jazz, like the Pacers, aren’t exactly known for tearing it all down. This allows them to make a real change that maybe allows them to keep Donavon while looking to trade Rudy somewhere else. I’d consider tossing in a first rounder on down the line to make this happen. Love me some Jordan Clarkson!
    2. Malik Beasley for THT and Nunn and a 1st rounder. This one takes a 1st rounder because of the team option on Malik’s deal. Depending on how it all shakes out in the playoffs the T’Wolves may also be looking for a peripheral change and this trade gives Minnesota a shooter in Nunn and another young player in THT. Again, contingent on Minnesota getting bounced out of the first round. This one might be hard since they finally made the playoffs, they may want to give the core another season to grow. Also why I toss a 1st rounder in.
    3. Portland. The Trailblazers have sorta, kinda just faded into the background. All is quiet from the Pacific Northwest. Could a trade for Dame and Westbrook happen? Probably not, while the money works the Trailblazers can certainly do better. So here’s the best shot the Lakers can take: Dame Time, Josh Hart, Justice Winslow, and Trendon Watford (total of $55.6 mil in combined salaries) for Russ, THT, Reaves and both 1st rounders ($54.6 mil in combined salaries). Russ can play it out in Oregon and the Blazers rebuild next summer with Reaves and THT as young cornerstones, 2 future draft picks that may have some value closer to the rebuild and the Lakers can reload on both ends with Dame and Hart. Watford is in there to make the dollars and cents work. Now, do I think that deal has a chance in Hell of happening? No, not unless Lillard says “I done good by you guys, trade me to the Lakers please and thanks”.
    4. An even more unlikely proposal: Kawhi and Clippers 2022 2nd rounder for Russ and the 2027 1st rounder. This gives up a little more to the Clippers in the draft piucks but the money would work and both teams get a chance to tweak something that could work. Want to swap George for Kawhi? Sure, but of the two Paul has been slightly healthier. This gives the Clippers a player who is battle-tested that they can depend on to take the floor, a large issue for them since acquiring both George and The Klaw. A risky move for the Lakers as it ties Kawhi tot he franchise for a long time and he has a tendency to play even less than AD does. There are no zero risk trade scenarios this summer, though.
    5. The absolute most unlikely trade proposal. Again, contingent on the team not making it further into the playoffs. Milwaukee Bucks trade for Jrue Holiday and Brook Lopez. Russ ($47 mil) for Jrue and Brook (combined $46.2 mil). Hard for me seeing the Bucks breaking up the core that won them their first title in forever but winning comes with the burden of expectation. So, while they don’t NEED to keep Giannis happy they likely would if he felt like Jrue and Brook (who barely played this season and Jrue is streaky) weren’t dependable enough. The franchise, and star player, are loyal and compounding the issue is Holiday having his best regular season yet. If they get bounced early the questions will come though and this allows them to quickly reload around Giannis. Again, the most unlikely of trade scenarios but I wanted to go full Laker Tom here and not let logic get in the way.

    There you have it. some of those could actually happen, although all of them feel farfetched to me on a pragmatic level. Still, it is the NBA and anything is possible. Early playoff exits beget big questions and uncomfortable situations and the Lakers need to be ready to pounce on those moments as best they can. Could some of these trades be outdone by other teams? Most certainly, but you never know what a franchise is willing to do to appease a star player (see Lakers, Los Angeles) or if a GM will make a trade happen from pressure. Anyhoo, some different things to talk about other than Wall, Hayward and the other popular topics these days. Enjoy.

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    • Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. Russ and THT have to go. Period. Neither is a good fit for LeBron or AD. Get the best you can for both of them.

      1. I do like the trade for Clarkson. He’s exactly what the Lakers need coming off the bench as a scorer.

      2. I like Beasley but don’t think THT and Nunn will get him. He’s the kind of shooter we need though.

      3. Don’t see any trade opportunities with Portland.

      4. I would not trade for Kawhi Leonard out of principle.

      5. LOL. That’s crazier than any trade I’ve ever proposed.

      • Easy to say, LT, harder to actualize. Like I said, I feel like these are all farfetched but the more likely trade scenarios are either just as unlikely (i.e: the walk off grand slam ones) or in most cases actually, somehow, make us worse. Wall or Hayward would in all likelihood be a worse deal than any of the above, except for maybe Kawhi who will seemingly be rehabbing his leg for a year every other year.

        “5. LOL. That’s crazier than any trade I’ve ever proposed. ” Nah, the walk off grand slam trade is, in my opinion, way crazier. Hard to see any team blowing up that much cap space for three guys likely to walk in a season. Especially a small market team that will have a real hard time getting good value for said cap space. Especially when said small market team that’s not getting good value also doesn’t do rebuilds. Just too much uphill for that to work. Could it? Sure. Will it? Nah.

        I’d actually throw both draft picks at the Milwaukee deal. Lopez checks all of the center boxes, even for you. Jrue is the perfect fit alongside LeBron and AD. Only way it could happen is if Milwaukee loses to the Bulls which isn’t likely to happen. Other than that I think they chalk it up to fatigue if they don’t make the conference finals and bad luck if the lose in the NBA finals. That’s an “all-in now” kind of trade but unlikely as all get out. Would take extraordinary circumstances for that to happen and would need Giannis to sign off on it, which also feels unlikely. Hence it’s title.

        Hard to see that Portland deal happening, as well, but they are the one team I can see wanting to shed that much salary, honestly. If they trade Dame it’s a full tear down/rebuild. All of the money coming in walks after the season. No issue playing Russ since no Dame to compete with and he can go get his triple-double. Plus future picks to augment whatever they put together now. Also, THT and Reaves can mature at the same pace as other young guns a la the Pelicans.

        The first two are my personal favorite THT and Nunn trades. I far prefer Clarkson to Buddy and he slots back into a starting 2 role. In all of the above scenarios I don’t see us keeping Malik. I think he gets an offer higher than what we’ll be able to muster and that’ll be that. This all also assumes we get a more offense-oriented coach to re-introduce “excitement” to the franchise but only because Rob traded away all the good defenders for streaky, poor defensive scorers.

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    LeBron needs to talk to this dude

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    Man that Mitchell to Gobert dunk might have saved two careers and a coach. Rudy had largely been played off the floor and Luka setting him up for that step back three didn’t help anything. In the end, the defense showed him a little too much disrespect and they evened the series. Don’t forget about the big man!

    The Dunk That Saved a Team?

    Man that Mitchell to Gobert dunk might have saved two careers and a coach. Rudy had largely been played off the floor and Luka setting him up for that step back three didn’t help anything. In the end, the defense showed him a little too much disrespect and they evened the series. Don’t forget about the big man!

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    • “Man that Mitchell to Gobert dunk might have saved two careers and a coach.”

      That’s exactly my thought. Interesting how life can be forgiving and give a second chance. Talk about live to fight another day.

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    Coulda had DeMar and Caruso…

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    Coulda had DeMar and Caruso…

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    • I was thinking that LBJ loved Caruso?

      • After he left he said he was in favor of it but, honestly, it’s hard for me to take anyone involved in the debacle that was last summer at their word.

    • True. But to be fair, nobody predicted DeMar raising his game to an MVP level like he has. No excuse for the Caruso debacle tho…..

      • Even from a contract management point it made more sense to bring in more players and not 1. Everybody felt like they had to compete with the Nets, who never did much of anything. I could never understand why that phenomena occurred…I don’t think they ever made it to the ECF with their purported Big 3.

    • Man letting Alex walk is unforgivable. His defense, the blocked shots, offensive boards, the assists, actually staying in front of the Greek freak and making him pass. Then watching him coach up the team like Rondo. Sigh indeed. One more thing, why didn’t we bring Wes Matthews back? He’s been much better than a lot of the old guys we brought in.

      • Michael you are pretty much echoing what I was saying since the summer of last year.

        “One more thing, why didn’t we bring Wes Matthews back? He’s been much better than a lot of the old guys we brought in.” I kept asking the same question till the cows came home. Just puzzling.

        Also, was it worth it for one championship, to get LeBron and AD, at the cost of throwing away all the huge asset base of baby Lakers that had been so painstakingly built up? I keep coming back to Zubac for Muscala as the poster child for the miserable asset management decisions, although the overpay for AD and the trade for Westbrook are close.

        Losing Dennis the menace for nothing was a travesty in itself, but losing Caruso for a much bigger zero? That’s serious malpractice and a violation of oath from the front office.

        • Yup. We traded Green and a draft pick for Schorder then got all miffed when he wanted to look for a bigger deal. Fans can get miffed, Rob should act like a pro and he didn’t, he acted like a whiny little man-baby and the result was assets tossed out the window for no reason at all.

          • Yep. When the point guard market bottomed out we could have gotten Dennis at a reduced rate. Dennis wasn’t exactly the best fit but he was better than Russ, especially on defense. Just from a system stand point, odds are he would have improved some. We would have had a 1st round pick, and still would have had our experienced core. We also would have been able to Add Melo, Malik, Austin and Nunn. With all the injuries we would not have had a shot at a ring but at least we would have made the playoffs. We would have won a lot of those games we lost with our old core. Plus we would be set up much better from an asset stand point moving forward. if Rob wasn’t “family” he would have been out the door after that performance.

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    “Everybody is looking for the same, conventional box for winning a championship. It can be done in a lot of different ways. Jimmy is a max guy, a go-to guy, a killer,” Spoelstra said. “However you want to describe it, who cares? He knows how to win, he knows how to help teams win, and the game is played on both sides of the floor, and it’s played with IQ, it’s played with toughness, it’s played with making plays in those winning moments. It’s not necessarily what everybody thinks it is.

    “He’s just a winner, and he showed that tonight.”

    Spo is right. There is no one all-consuming manner in which a banner winning team is assembled, no analytic metric that makes winning easier and it’s not always about stats. It takes a whole carousel of skills, talents and grit.

    We’ve brought in what were thought to be volume three point shooting marksmen in each of the last 2 seasons. From Wes Matthews to Ben McLemore to Wayne Ellington (again) we have run the gamut of guys whose shooting was supposed to open up the floor for LeBron and AD only to, mystifyingly, not see that happen. Why? Because teams would rather defend LeBron and force someone else to beat them regardless of where that shot comes from.

    Whatever we do this summer, this quote should be at the heart of it. We need high IQ guys with more than just shooting as a skill. Defense, playmaking, and, yes, scoring are all parts of a winning combination. No need to focus on one, we need guys who have some of all three.

    Also, Jimmy B is the man. Wish we had 6 guys like that on the roster…

    Love this quote from Spo

    “Everybody is looking for the same, conventional box for winning a championship. It can be done in a lot of different ways. Jimmy is a max guy, a go-to guy, a killer,” Spoelstra said. “However you want to describe it, who cares? He knows how to win, he knows how to help teams win, and the game is played on both sides of the floor, and it’s played with IQ, it’s played with toughness, it’s played with making plays in those winning moments. It’s not necessarily what everybody thinks it is.

    “He’s just a winner, and he showed that tonight.”

    Spo is right. There is no one all-consuming manner in which a banner winning team is assembled, no analytic metric that makes winning easier and it’s not always about stats. It takes a whole carousel of skills, talents and grit.

    We’ve brought in what were thought to be volume three point shooting marksmen in each of the last 2 seasons. From Wes Matthews to Ben McLemore to Wayne Ellington (again) we have run the gamut of guys whose shooting was supposed to open up the floor for LeBron and AD only to, mystifyingly, not see that happen. Why? Because teams would rather defend LeBron and force someone else to beat them regardless of where that shot comes from.

    Whatever we do this summer, this quote should be at the heart of it. We need high IQ guys with more than just shooting as a skill. Defense, playmaking, and, yes, scoring are all parts of a winning combination. No need to focus on one, we need guys who have some of all three.

    Also, Jimmy B is the man. Wish we had 6 guys like that on the roster…

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    • Couple reasons, I’ve always maintained that LA is where plus shooters go to die. Get that money, soak up the lifestyle, stink it up on the court. 2nd, Lebron just ain’t that Lebron any more. Drive and dish only really works if you can actually get by someone and draw the defender.

    • Outstanding post, Jamie. You’re right that we’ve focused on shooters who in most cases have forgotten how to shoot when dressed in purple and gold but the bigger problem was we did not have a head coach capable of creating an offense to utilize that shooting because of the terrible roster construction where Russ used up one of the spots you could put a shoot while DeAndre Jordan used up a second spot, leaving room for just one shooter on the floor. And no plays run to create shots for our best shooters like Monk.

      I hope we learned three things this terrible season:

      1. We need size at every position. That’s how we won in 2020. We can play small ball style but we need to do it with bigger players.

      2. We need to surround LeBron and AD with three players who can shoot the three and defend their positions.

      3. There’s still room for elite midrange shooting, especially to close games or take advantage of players like Melo.

      Build a team following modern offensive and defensive philosophy but understand there are big and small teams out there so be prepared to be elite playing both ways.

      • “1. We need size at every position. That’s how we won in 2020. We can play small ball style but we need to do it with bigger players.”

        Well said, Tom. Unlike the bubble roster, size has been our biggest shortcoming this season. It’s been a glaring problem that needs to be addressed. I would also like to thank Jamie for such a nice piece of article.

      • Ehhh, I’m not really worried about the three point offense. I’m certainly not worried about a starting spot being occupied by a big that isn’t a three point shooter. We had a traditional big man all season long when we took the #1 seed in the (at the time better) western conference. Here’s something worth looking at:

        2019-20: 2,242 total 3pt FGA, 782 made for 34.9% = #1 seed, title
        2020-21 (70 games): 2,248 3pt FGA, 796 made for 35.4% = playin
        2021-22: 2,826 3pt FGA, 982 made for 34.7% = crap season

        Three point shooting is not the problem. Each season after we won it all we attempted more threes, even the short season was more than our #1 seed season and we only got worse as a team. Frank’s offense, while unimaginative and overly reliant on LeBron, wasn’t a problem in our title winning season. If anything I would say he strayed too far from the principles that garnered him a ring every season after. The problem is now we don’t attack the paint like we did in the season we won it all. We also let all the high IQ good defenders walk or traded them.

        Since we won it all we have gone through the “Who’s Who” of NBA marksmen. That’s not how we won. We won with defense, high IQ and grit. Not exactly on-brand for the perception of Laker basketball but it worked. A lot better than the jack it up teams have since then, anyhow. Did we make some timely threes? Sure, but we also did a much better job of forcing the opposition into tough shots, contesting threes, and having a defense first mentality. The defense was how we won.

        To your point about size, that was, again, a hallmark of the team we broke up. I think you have to run it back after a banner, it means you’ve unlocked something special and difficult to re-create with other players. We instantly chose to deviate from a winning formula and will continue to pay the price for it next season. Not running back was a mistake we doubled-down on last summer. Now we’re strapped for assets and hoping for a miracle trade to stay relevant. Not contenders, mind you, relevant.

        So, while there’s no going back in time to not break up the title winning team, make something positive happen from the Dennis Schroeder debacle, not let Caruso walk, or any of the long list of blown opportunities by the Laker front office, we can look to use the team that won it all as a blueprint for the future. I doubt the Lakers have it in them to admit that kind of failure and short-sightedness but you never know.

        • The reason teams were able to make it hard for LeBron, AD, and Russ from getting into the paint and attack the rim was because the roster construction and coaching were not designed to create more or better 3-point attempts.

          Failure to create spacing for our poor shooting superstars to get lanes for them to attack the rim is why our offense was so poor. Your claims that 3-point shooting don’t matter are silly.

          The Lakers would not have won the bubbe championship if LeBron hadn’t shot 37.0% and AD 38.3% from deep. Nobody could match us with them shooting like that from deep.

          The Lakers need to surround LeBron and AD with 3-point shooters who can are well rounded players who can also pass and defend. They have three slots to do that. While I’m not totally opposed to their dedicating the center spot to a traditional low post center, the smarter move is to find somebody who can play low post and five out.

          Versatiity is better than being a team that only relies on playing big or small. Same with shooting and analytics. Threes, layups, dunks, and free throws do rule but when you need two to tie or win a game, a midrange jumper could br the best option.

          Versatility!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • I’m assuming you were going to say something about teams keeping LeBron out of the paint. I don’t think that’s the case at all. If so how were we able to take the #1 seed with a traditional big man and taking fewer threes?

            No, I think LeBron has consciously chosen to drive less in order to reduce the potential for injury. That’s also why I see his window for a title here all but closed. We won’t see freight train LeBron much anymore, we’re going to see Perimeter LeBron more and more.

            • The reason we were able to win #1 seed with a traditional low post center but abandoned that except for a few starts by Dwight in playoffs where we replaced Dwight and JaVale with Markieff Morris who shot 42% from 3.

              While I do think LeBron is taking more threes and driving less due to age and injury, it’s silly not to admit that the main problem is a lack of spacing due to lack of 3-point gravity and offense designed to shoot more threes.

            • It’s equally silly to say that’s the sole reason, dude. This is my entire point: we need defenders first and foremost. Size helps with that, size (not length) helps with rebounding, too.

              Morris? He had almost zero part in us taking the #1 seed my friend, he didn’t even get minutes until after the pandemic started. He did play great in the Bubble, not so much at all the following season.

              If size and defense comes with a three point shooter, wonderful, that’s nothing to sneeze at. but the list of players that checks those boxes are both few and mostly unavailable to us this summer.

              Thus my point being we need to focus on getting the best defenders and high IQ guys as possible. Three point shooting is like 5th or so on the list of important skills.

            • I wouldn’t rank 3-point shooting fifth. I think there are some things that are almost requirements. Shooting and defense. If you can’t do either, you better be the world’s greatest at something else because fit is too important. It’s what makes a team better than five individuals.

              Other then the importance of spacing and 3-point shooting, we’re pretty much in agreement. We need players who are good at the shooting and defense to start with and then have a game that fits what we want for the team and what works with LeBron and AD.

              Besides shooting and defense, the players we add need to be smart, work hard, play hard, make the right plays, and fit. And be bigger and more physical than others at their position. That’s what we need.

            • I suppose when I see you reply “Three point shooting” I go back to last offseason where you had “volume” along with that. That’s where I completely disagree, the only thing we need in volume are wins. How we get there is borderline irrelevant to me. The number of players who are elite three point shooters and elite defenders can be counted on one hand, those who will be available for us this summer are zero. So, for now, I am hoping we get some high IQ, good (not elite) defenders.

              And all of this without even knowing what the coach will want to run or how the franchise wants the team to look, lol.

          • I’m all in on versatility. I also am in favor of size at all positions. But we don’t need guys who are elite three point shooters, they just need to be willing to take the good shots that are created for them. I think the numbers bear that out.

            Also, and again, we did not win a title because AD ad LBJ shot well from three, that only helped the cause. No more or less than the excellent defense that team was able to play, the rebounding acumen our non-shooting bigs had, and something that has been lost lately: good health.

            • I agree with everything but the 3-point shooting. Maybe one backup center who doesn’t shoot the three or a legit lock down defender. Other than that, every player on the roster needs to be able to stretch defenses.

      • I will add that I agree 100% on needing better skilled size. Like I said, not as worried about guys who can shoot the three as I don’t think it’s a part of the problem, if anything we shoot too many now.

        #3 is a big thing for you to say so appreciate that, LT. 😉

        • I’ve never been against midrange jump shooters who can make those shots with ease. That was always Kobe’s game, MJ’s game. Guys like Booker and CP3, Durant, those are like layups to them. For the average NBA players, however, step back and take a three or attack the rim unless you can shoot over 50% from midrange.

          We’re starting to see an adjustment to the pure analytics extreme, which is part of the evolution that happens in professional sports. It all comes down to the percentage of shots the player can make from different zones on the floor. In the end, it’s been proven though that 3 > 2. Analytics has changed the game for good and there’s no going back.

          • Tom, speaking of midrange shots, that is one reason why I want Melo back next season. He sure can be counted on that.

            • His midrange kept us in many games, Buba. He’s proof the midrange is not dead. It’s just limited to a handful of guys for whom those shots are layups.

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    For all of 5 minutes you saw what a small glimpse of what the Warriors had hoped would be a staple of their season: a line up featuring Curry, Thompson, Wiggins, Poole and Green. It swung the game in the Warrior favor. It also started with defense. While it also has great spacing provided by their shooters, to a man that line up has solid to great defenders starting with Green. Green hasn’t shot well from three in years, in fact he has more seasons shooting under 30% from three than over it. Now he does share the floor with some elite shooters but his true contributions are his defense, smarts and passing. I would even say in that order. My point here is, while Green can certainly make a three it is certainly not the aspect of his game that makes Golden State so lethal. They maximize his better talents by putting him in perfect places to use his passing and IQ to break a defense down. The coach didn’t show up with a predetermined role for Draymond, he created an environment for the natural skill set to evolve and eventually thrive. The point I’m driving at here is, with limited resources by which we can improve our team it’s important to remember that the thing that makes Golden State work is a smart, effective defense, an offense with a foot in both modern and old school basketball, and high IQ players. If they can hit a three, wonderful, that’s another useful weapon. Does it need to be requirement #1,2, or 3? In my opinion, no it does not. We should target the best defenders we can acquire who hopefully have a diverse skillset/high IQ and trust in LeBron and hopefully some smart guy coach to work that out over time.

    If you think about it, and want to go down a bummer of a rabbit hole, we had guys that checked a lot of those boxes: KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, Green, Dwight 2.0 and JaVale McGee all understood what they were supposed to do on both ends and we blew that squad up. Having Rondo was enough to take the pressure off LeBron to make a play every possession, and the defenders on the perimeter along with our centers allowed AD to play the free roamer role he’s elite at. Whatever reasons as to why we strayed from that path are the wrong ones when building an actual team that can play on the floor. Teams on paper always look good, just about anything can look amazing before it’s counted on to perform. Finding players who can both excel in a role and co-exist with the greatness of LeBron and AD in a supporting and positive manner is difficult. Hope we can find some more that can…

    #highhopes #lowexpectations #betternotblowitRob

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    For all of 5 minutes you saw what a small glimpse of what the Warriors had hoped would be a staple of their season: a line up featuring Curry, Thompson, Wiggins, Poole and Green. It swung the game in the Warrior favor. It also started with defense. While it also has great spacing provided by their shooters, to a man that line up has solid to great defenders starting with Green. Green hasn’t shot well from three in years, in fact he has more seasons shooting under 30% from three than over it. Now he does share the floor with some elite shooters but his true contributions are his defense, smarts and passing. I would even say in that order. My point here is, while Green can certainly make a three it is certainly not the aspect of his game that makes Golden State so lethal. They maximize his better talents by putting him in perfect places to use his passing and IQ to break a defense down. The coach didn’t show up with a predetermined role for Draymond, he created an environment for the natural skill set to evolve and eventually thrive. The point I’m driving at here is, with limited resources by which we can improve our team it’s important to remember that the thing that makes Golden State work is a smart, effective defense, an offense with a foot in both modern and old school basketball, and high IQ players. If they can hit a three, wonderful, that’s another useful weapon. Does it need to be requirement #1,2, or 3? In my opinion, no it does not. We should target the best defenders we can acquire who hopefully have a diverse skillset/high IQ and trust in LeBron and hopefully some smart guy coach to work that out over time.

    If you think about it, and want to go down a bummer of a rabbit hole, we had guys that checked a lot of those boxes: KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, Green, Dwight 2.0 and JaVale McGee all understood what they were supposed to do on both ends and we blew that squad up. Having Rondo was enough to take the pressure off LeBron to make a play every possession, and the defenders on the perimeter along with our centers allowed AD to play the free roamer role he’s elite at. Whatever reasons as to why we strayed from that path are the wrong ones when building an actual team that can play on the floor. Teams on paper always look good, just about anything can look amazing before it’s counted on to perform. Finding players who can both excel in a role and co-exist with the greatness of LeBron and AD in a supporting and positive manner is difficult. Hope we can find some more that can…

    #highhopes #lowexpectations #betternotblowitRob

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    • Aloha Jamie, excellent post. Many people don’t understand that through the Warriors successful season the foundation has been a rock solid defense. And continuity is really important on the defensive side of the ball. Wiggins never was a great defender until he came to the Warriors. After a few seasons there he is solid. It is really hard to build the way the Lakers tried to do. The Warriors drafted 4 of the 5 players you mentioned. But we had a solid core that needed to be tweaked not tore down. If we had run last years squad back, we would have made the playoffs. Even without Dennis. Alex as the secondary ball handler played so well with LeBron we really didn’t need a ball dominate point guard. Even Wade and Kyre became secondary ball handler with LeBron. If we had added Monk, Melo, and Dwight, along with the emergence of Austin, that would have been a good squad. But instead we went the star route. Besides the obvious poor fit on offense, Russ was never a good defender and it was folly to believe that Frank could turn him into one, this late in his career. I really have low expectations as to what we can do. Good health could get us back into the playoffs but that’s about it. Looking at the realistic trades out there for Russ, there isn’t one that is a big game changer. Brogdon is a good defender but Buddy’s not. Hayward use to be pretty good but it’s anyones guess how effective he can still be. Ombré is decent or if Rozier comes he is undersized. And Wall and Wood from the Rockets are both poor defenders. If we are going to make some noise it really is going to be up to the guys we already have, regardless of who comes over in a trade. Hopefully we can keep Malik, he grew as a defender over the year. Gabriel and Stanley need to take steps offensively because they are actually pretty good on defense and a full summer and camp will help. Nunn didn’t play but he is a tough defender and has some offensive skill. He is a bit like a young Avery Bradley with better handles. THT and Austin both need growth spurts and consistency but are promising. And please sign Damion Jones as a back up center! That is a lot to ask but it really is are only chance if we are to become somewhat relevant.

      • I’m thinking we, at best, move on laterally from Westbrook. That’s what I’m expecting and I’ll be quite content to be wrong. Anyone who doesn’t see how out of his depth Rob is at this point must be delusional. The Klutch Krutch is and will continue to be the only pipeline by which we can hope to acquire talent from. To me, that’s a problem IMO. It shrinks tour talent pool considerably. We need more than Klutch Klients on the roster. Since the THT over Caruso choice it’s become clearer and clearer to me that we’re overly reliant on one agency. Anyhow, we’ll see what Rob can manage. I wouldn’t hold your breath on the Lakers creating less drama.

    • Outstanding post, Jamie. Living in NorCal, I’ve probably seen more Warriors games than any other NBA team than the Lakers. I’ve always thought they’ve been the best run franchise in the league since Joe Lecob bought the franchise.

      From a coaching standpoint, I don’t think there’s a better two-way coach in the league than Kerr. They play the ultimate share the ball team that plays great team and individual defense. His assistants keep changing but the vision and identity have been there since day 1 of Steve’s reign.

      It was tough living in NorCal and being a Lakers fan when the Warriors were playing like I wanted the Lakers to play and winning while the Lakers organization was dysfunctional. Hell, even my son, who grew up bleeding purple and gold and my two granddaughters now consider themselves Warriors fans. I was only able to keep my wife and my grandson Nick as Lakers fans.

      Talk about a tough act to follow but the Lakers would be wise to look north and emulate some of the savvy organizational and on-court vision the Warriors have. Lakers couldn’t go wrong copying everything Golden State’s front office and coaching staff does. Makes me wonder too whether Mike Brown should be given more consideration as the Lakers’ next head coach.

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    KAT Emerges

    Minny going to show the Grizz up. Love Ja but they are about to learn the lesson of talk and bravado. It might be fun, it might be a real laugh on the sideline with your teammates but when the game matters it doesn’t mean jack shit. Congrats  KAT, after the year you had you and your team earned this the right way: with your play. I’m sure this will be a tough series but I doubt many picked Minny to win many games this series in Memphis.

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    • Folks picked Memphis before the games even started. I hope they get a brutal wake-up call. This is the playoffs, man.

      • Yeah, I read a looooot of articles about how the Grizz are going to have fun when they want, rub it in people’s faces and not care what anyone thinks. Those are the words of young men who have yet to learn hard lessons about competition. Now they get Patrick Bev who yaps more than their entire team but shows up when you need tough and gritty. Like I said, love Ja, but every parent knows that some lessons need to be learned the hard way. Gonna be a fun series.

        • Teams and stars that win championships always have to go through growing processes. That’s what we’re watching right now. The other thing that jumps out at me is we are seeing a transition to a new generation of NBA stars, which is making these playoffs very exciting. Just a shame the Lakers didn’t make it.

          • Yeah, definitely a new crop coming up and it’s quite possible the Lakers window slammed shut as quickly as it cracked open. The shame is in the Lakers. They were given every chance to do something smart and blew it.

            • There’s still maybe two years left in LeBron’s window but the competition has gotten better while we’ve gotten older and less healthy. Going to need to be lucky to win another with LeBron though. But there’s a chance.

            • I don’t think we should be predicting he’ll be here in 2 seasons. He’s shown everyone for awhile now his first loyalty is to his legacy. Which is totally fine, just means that he’ll walk if we’re mediocre.

            • Lebron’s window was pretty much closed after that last one in Cleveland. He needed two all-NBA guys at all stops, short of the bubble. Even the most homerific of you have to admit, without that 3 months off, both Lebron and AD would’ve been far off the peak condition they luckily found themselves in. This was my fear from the moment they signed him. He’d show up, realize he couldn’t cut it with some emerging talent, and force some shortsighted moves to become competitive asap. Well he did, and then realized AD was fragile and pushed for the absolute disaster that was the Westbrook deal. Now it’s clear he can’t get it done as the focal point of a roster, and neither can AD. So there’s literally no scenario where this roster becomes championship caliber. It’s time to cut losses and look to the future. Old Lebron, hobbled AD, and a handful of rotation players keep you relevant, but really not in the championship discussion. Who tf needs that?

              We’re at that late stage where the player rankings will come out. Lebron will passive aggressively tweet about how low he’s ranked, and come season’s end, everyone will realize it was too generous to begin with.

              This isn’t some career Laker. This isn’t even a dude with sustained excellence throughout his Lakers tenure. Dude was a bad houseguest who threw one cool party in 4 years. He stuck around too long, you found your house trashed, and if you don’t get him out soon, your wife will leave you, your kids will be flunking out of school, and your ass will be left with nothing.

        • Yup. You made a great point about Pat Bev, as much as I disliked him.

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    The notion that Russell Westbrook will accept a buyout upon arriving at his new team (all assumed at this point, no actual evidence he will be traded) has come under little to no scrutiny. Well, let’s change that. Because you can’t truly buyout Westbrook unless he obliges his new team by forfeiting money he is due to be paid. Waiving him leaves his salary on the books. In fact, any salary NOT forfeited will remain on whatever team he may end up on’s cap sheet.

    So…what amount does anyone think Russ will willingly walk away from? Knowing this is his last big payday he’ll ever get what is a number that would make sense. Frankly, if it’s me I forfeit zero. Pay me. I earned that money. But I’m not a pro athlete looking for a situation where I can come in and help a team win a ring.

    I would imagine the cutoff is no lower than half of that massive amount of money. So half of $47,063,478 is exactly $23,531,739. Honestly, even that feels like a big “if”. Unless you’re planning on tanking outright that’s a gargantuan chunk of cap space to account for. Most ownership groups will think twice about either paying out that much money just to watch sign with Team X (potentially in their division and/or major rival) and I find the idea that Russ will walk away for more than half absurd.

    So, since team’s in contention in large markets value cap space more than just about anything else when it comes to filling out a roster that means zero contending teams will be interested in Russ but we kind of knew that already. They won’t pay Russ to not play. Same, I would imagine, for teams on the cusp of contention (Knicks, Hornets, really any team that is 10-6 seeding wise in this year’s playoff/playin). That shrinks your trade partners to less then a handful of teams: Houston, Orlando, Oklahoma and maybe, just maybe Portland.

    Now a team could choose to waive and stretch him meaning they stretch his salary out over the next 3 seasons (this is a not malleable, the 3 seasons is based on the number of years remaining on Russ’ deal which will be 1) and maybe a team like Charlotte or Indy and possibly others (most of whom have already signaled “No thank you!” on a Westbrook trade) looks at that scenario as being better than paying a broken down player of their own. Hard to say.

    In the end the question seems like a big one considering the implications of someone taking Russell’s contract on. Very hard for me to imagine Russ walking away from so much money or a team allowing him to clutter up their cap space to such a degree while he plays elsewhere on their dime. Again, while it’s likely to happen this summer seeing as how poorly the Westbrook fit has been, the devil is often in the details.

    The Buyout Question

    The notion that Russell Westbrook will accept a buyout upon arriving at his new team (all assumed at this point, no actual evidence he will be traded) has come under little to no scrutiny. Well, let’s change that. Because you can’t truly buyout Westbrook unless he obliges his new team by forfeiting money he is due to be paid. Waiving him leaves his salary on the books. In fact, any salary NOT forfeited will remain on whatever team he may end up on’s cap sheet.

    So…what amount does anyone think Russ will willingly walk away from? Knowing this is his last big payday he’ll ever get what is a number that would make sense. Frankly, if it’s me I forfeit zero. Pay me. I earned that money. But I’m not a pro athlete looking for a situation where I can come in and help a team win a ring.

    I would imagine the cutoff is no lower than half of that massive amount of money. So half of $47,063,478 is exactly $23,531,739. Honestly, even that feels like a big “if”. Unless you’re planning on tanking outright that’s a gargantuan chunk of cap space to account for. Most ownership groups will think twice about either paying out that much money just to watch sign with Team X (potentially in their division and/or major rival) and I find the idea that Russ will walk away for more than half absurd.

    So, since team’s in contention in large markets value cap space more than just about anything else when it comes to filling out a roster that means zero contending teams will be interested in Russ but we kind of knew that already. They won’t pay Russ to not play. Same, I would imagine, for teams on the cusp of contention (Knicks, Hornets, really any team that is 10-6 seeding wise in this year’s playoff/playin). That shrinks your trade partners to less then a handful of teams: Houston, Orlando, Oklahoma and maybe, just maybe Portland.

    Now a team could choose to waive and stretch him meaning they stretch his salary out over the next 3 seasons (this is a not malleable, the 3 seasons is based on the number of years remaining on Russ’ deal which will be 1) and maybe a team like Charlotte or Indy and possibly others (most of whom have already signaled “No thank you!” on a Westbrook trade) looks at that scenario as being better than paying a broken down player of their own. Hard to say.

    In the end the question seems like a big one considering the implications of someone taking Russell’s contract on. Very hard for me to imagine Russ walking away from so much money or a team allowing him to clutter up their cap space to such a degree while he plays elsewhere on their dime. Again, while it’s likely to happen this summer seeing as how poorly the Westbrook fit has been, the devil is often in the details.

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    • I’m no salary cap/CBA expert so if I am wrong on something written above please feel free to leave a correction. Thanks.

      • Aloha Jamie, here is how it works. If the Lakers waive and stretch Russ. He becomes a free agent. Any team that signs him will not owe any money. What could happen is his agent might find a deal out there for let’s say generously offers him 2 years at say 15 mil. Each. Russ might agree to reduce his buy out figure by 15 mil to 32 mil instead of the 47 he is owed. Unfortunately teams might just wait to see if Russ is bought out without a promise. If no promise exists Russ might want out so badly that he may agree to give up a little of that 47 mil but realistically it probably only be maybe 3 to 5 mil. Or Some figure that his agent feels he can realistically get on the open market. I definitely would give his agent permission to talk with other clubs. Now we all know that his agent can’t talk to anyone before free agency begins. Wink wink nod nod.

        • That part I get, I was wondering more about the potential cap hit a team trading for him would have to deal with after buying him out as has been semi-reported/theorized.

    • In exchange for his freedom, he might be willing to give up a small bit of salary. Typically it’s somewhere in the ballpark of a vet’s minimum (1-2mil) he can easily collect elsewhere. It’s never anything remotely close to half the remaining salary. Let’s just say he gives us 2mil, leaving around 45. Then anything else he earns, even including deals in other leagues, can partially offset the remaining money owed. It’s a complicated equation, but if Russ gives up a couple mil to be free and signs a minimum deal, it’ll offset another 3-400k from whichever team ends up waiving him. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm #Q64

    • Russ ain’t about that leaving millions on the table life. I’m not even sure he’s about that winning a title to legitimize his legacy life. I think he’s about that F*%k You, Pay Me life.

    • Good post, Jamie. Russ being more willing than Wall to buy out his last year rather than sit is a wild card and you don’t know where he might end.

      Lots of teams might be willing to gamble on Russ on $5 to $7M contract than a $47M one. I could see him ending up with the Knicks or even the Clippers (one can hope, LOL).

      Most buyouts are limited to how much the player can get on the market once he is bought out. I think Michael’s $15M over two years could be high for Russ at this point. $6.2M ME for a year could be his limit.

      • That’s my theory as well, Tom. Which still begs the question of what team wants to play next season with a $30ish million handicap? Feels like you’re choosing to tank out of the gate.

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    5 Things: The Last Gasp

    I am remembering the entertaining and informative ESPN docuseries, The Last Dance. A poignant reminder to Laker fans as to how quickly and utterly things can deteriorate internally when the blame game starts, or front office executives think they know what a coach needs or which players are worth more than others. As far as the game today is concerned, for me it’s a non-event as I’ll be going to a friends wedding so enjoy. There wasn’t anything left worth paying attention to in this season a couple games after the All Star Break. This team does not, and never did, have the goods.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2vwr-ln8D4
    1. The Blame Game. This is where all parties involved need to tread more carefully than any of them seem to acknowledge. LeBron James is not a robot and if you actually want him to play here beyond next season then they should start acting like that. Great NBA players are people, too. They have wrinkles, bad days, and personality issues of their own. In LeBron’s case it’s that he demands the front office surround him with star power enough to compete for championships and is willing to say or do just about anything to make sure that happens. The fallout from Scottie Pippin not checking back into a game has lasted decades. The fallout from the front office throwing LeBron under the bus while seemingly taking almost zero onus on themselves for the Westbrook trade can do as much damage over the course of this summer. There is never, ever a winner in the Blame Game. So stop playing it.
    2. The Health Issue. It’s no secret our two best players have missed a grip of games over the last two seasons, benefitted from a three month break in the season when they did win a banner, and are, indeed, aging as we speak. Barring an unlikely as hell trade for either AD or LeBron they are who we will be building around this summer and so keeping them on the floor for 3/4’s of the season moves to the second highest priority after fixing the team. We said it last season, this summer, during the season and still today: we are going as far as James and Davis take us. It will be true until they depart. THT is not taking us to the highest level. Matt McClung, Wenyan and Stanley are window dressing at the mall, they will not alter the direction of the franchise in a meaningful way. We NEED James and Davis to play and they need to play at a fairly high level. Putting the injuries aside, LeBron turned in a historic campaign and played his rear end off all season long. Davis…well, he was pretty good on D but otherwise continued his regression from three and his jumper continues to become a secondary weapon. This won’t help our spacing issues. We need Davis to be the perimeter threat he once was.
    3. The Westbrook Dilemma. The fit of Russel is poor, that is no longer debatable. The ability to move Westbrook for players of true impact is also poor and, frankly, unlikely. When the best you can do is John Wall, Gordon Hayward or a player exception for your $47 million dollar PG you’re backed into a corner. That’s putting it nicely. Russ’s best ability is his availability, he’s not an elite scorer and his elite passing comes with equally elite turnover capacity. His price tag, while expiring, is enormous and will make smaller market teams who are constantly wary of going into the luxury tax zone more wary to deal for him. Large market franchises have signaled through the same channels the Lakers use to troll their superstars that they aren’t all that interested in bailing us out. That leaves us with some fairly unpalatable choices. At least that’s how it looks now. You never know what can change over the course of a playoff series or what other costly player will demand this summer (I’m looking at you Dame…). But, regardless of what LeBron says in his interviews about Steph Curry or other elite shooters, the return for Russ will likely be, at best, a break even affair. At worst we’ll trade our two draft picks for John Wall or Gordon Hayward who play for less than half of a season and don’t impact our winning chances all that much.
    4. The Young Dudes. Look…it’s really great that Stanley has a team option and got back into the NBA, that Wenyan found a team that could use his athletic ability and Matt McClung will get some run today. These are not needle moving players. They are roster spots 12, 13, and 14 on a championship team. They are DNP-CD during the playoffs, maybe Johnson sees some consistent minutes of the three in a specific match up. There’s a reason why these guys were in the G-League, 6th team in 3 seasons and waiver wire fodder. It’s because they’re just not that good but play really hard. Now I will be the first one to embrace a player or two on a roster like that, they are a necessary component to the recipe that constitutes a successful NBA team and we don’t need three of them. But they do not make us contenders in any way. Depending on the coach we bring in they might not even play just because they lack touch from the outside.
    5. Farewell Frank…? The funny thing about all the blame game chatter is how it predicts Frank as being the fall guy while being short on reasons why. The scuttlebutt is more focused on the front office, James, Davis and Westbrook. While whomever is leaking this BS (Kurt) out of the Lakers (Rambis) is likely congratulating themselves on shielding themselves (Kurt and Linda) from Jeannie’s wrath it also has the duplicate effect of shielding Frank from some of the blame. For every “Westbrook didn’t respect Frank guys!!!” article someone leaks to Silver Screen and Roll or to the Kamentzky Bros. there is also a ready-made excuse for Jeannie to ultimately retain the coach they are certainly going to be paying for next season. Given the ownership groups issues with spending, Frank’s recent banner he helped hang, and the fact he’s under contract next season it’s not outside the realm of reality that Frank mans the sidelines once again next season. I won’t go so far as to predict that will happen, feels like somebody other than Russ needs to take the fall, but it could happen.

    Anyhow, that’s the last Fiver for this season. There’s nothing else to say that I haven’t said since training camp and the horse is well-flogged. If you were to put a gun to my head I would predict Frank gets fired, we trade Russ and our picks for Wall and we have a season a lot like this one next year. I don’t have any faith left in Rob or ownership to make smart decisions and our assets aren’t going to bring back great talent. Wall and Hayward are awful options, our coaching search last time didn’t inspire any confidence, and LeBron can’t keep this up forever. At some point he will begin to age and it could simply take the form of impressive stats in losing efforts and games missed. One way or another Rob has to thread quite the needle this summer and he doesn’t have any more mulligans to spare. The Lakers have their proverbial back against the proverbial wall.

    Here’s hoping he can. Go Lakers.

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    • Wow, what a way to hit the nail squarely on the head. I am struggling to add anything except that you said it all.

      Man, this is going to be a long offseason, and I will miss the Fivers as that’s the first thing I look forward to after every game. In this particular one, which is the last one for this season, you have concisely summarized the post mortems.

      Well done, Jamie, and thanks for all you do. Great job!

    • Great takes, Jamie! Nice to see a voice of reason among the sunshine pumpers. It’s one thing to try and speak sh!t into existence and see the glass as half full, but a whole other to be sipping on a LSD-infused smoothie.

      I’m all for Frank being gone, but not because of this season. He was never up to the task. Quite honestly, when AD went down before the league went dark, this bunch was probably going into a downward spiral and Frankie boy didn’t have the chops to at least keep the ship afloat in the meantime. He could never get Kuz to fit in with these guys. KCP and Danny Green were overpaid, inconsistent journeymen. The rest of the Jetsam-Flotsam were just warm bodies to let AD and Bron catch their breath – as long as those two were available and playing at a high level, then pretty much anyone on this blog could coach this squad. Frank’s proven repeatedly he’s out of his depth. While this season was sunk when they made what’ll likely go down as a top-3 worst trade in NBA history, dude’s just not a championship coach.

      But the real Elephant in the room is the oversized burden of the aging superstar. We can hope for maybe 60 healthyish games outta Lebron over these final few seasons as a best case? Maybe not even that. When you wrote “At some point he will begin to age and it could simply take the form of impressive stats in losing efforts and games missed,” today raised its hand and said “Hi, I’m some point!” He alone doesn’t even guarantee you a playoff spot, much less a real shot at it all. Not saying dude is washed, but with what he and AD are making, the rest of the sad roster, and the constraints of the salary cap, there’s no move of any of the proposals that’ll make this team contenders. Barring of course, the unlikely defeat of father time and the injury bug, a return to Lebron and AD both being top-5 players is unlikely. We’ve seen it now in 3 of 4 seasons, the mustard is off the hot dog. I don’t think anyone outside glossy, eyed homer # 1, Mr Wong, thinks is a given they wanna pay old dude 97 mil for years 20 & 21.

      I just worry for this franchise and the course going forward. Does anyone think if we trade for Wall, LeKlutch won’t see dollar signs and want an extension? They’ll put their own concerns ahead of the franchise, just like they did with the Russ move. They know Lebron can’t carry the load any more and AD will more than likely miss a ton of games, so let’s throw a hail mary at another guy past his peak and see if he can take some of the load off. Hearing AD just doesn’t have the work ethic and clearly no leadership qualities is also disconcerting. If they make more of these ill-fated moves, we could end up like the Knicks, or even worse, watch the Clips hang a banner!

      It’s time to clean house. I don’t think Jeanie’s got the cajones to do it, but they really should settle all family business this summer. Otherwise, the guys leading this team to #18 likely haven’t even been born yet.

    • Good fiver, Jamie. Thanks.

      1. Blame game. Hope this doesn’t get too messy during the offseason. It’s already looking like open season on throwing everybody under the bus. What else is new?

      2. Health game. Lakers ain’t going to win any more titles with LeBron and AD unless both are healthy all season long. If they don’t believe they can keep both healthy, then they should trade them right now.

      3. Westbrook dilemma. I’m actually optimistic that Russ’ expiring contract and the two first round picks are going to be valuable trading chips that will get us at least two new starters.

      4. Young dudes. Bring back Reaves, Johnson, and Gabriel via team options and re-sign Monk with mini or full MLE.

      5. Farewell Frank. Vogel got a bum deal this season with the roster given him but there’s no way he returns. Lakers should have let him go early in the season to optimize the roster they had. Big mistake. Time to look at Rajon Rondo as Lakers next head coach.

      • Thanks LT, going to be a long summer of BS before any of it even starts to take shape. Planet Earth loves to love and hate the Lakers all at once.
        Hopefully we get a little trade kick and a lot of health luck due us.

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    The horse is dead and well-flogged. No need to continue. There should not be a player Rob doesn’t at least take a call for. When Frank gets fired you’ll see the band aid that’s trying to cover a deeper, far more serious wound. We need to tear it down and, to quote a campaign slogan, “build back better.” The problem is we won’t. Rob will stay, AD and LBJ will be here, maybe even Russ. Feels like Frank is doing everything he can to make certain he’s fired at this point. Worst season ever by a country mile. The end is, mercifully, nigh.

    5 Things: Nothing good to say

    The horse is dead and well-flogged. No need to continue. There should not be a player Rob doesn’t at least take a call for. When Frank gets fired you’ll see the band aid that’s trying to cover a deeper, far more serious wound. We need to tear it down and, to quote a campaign slogan, “build back better.” The problem is we won’t. Rob will stay, AD and LBJ will be here, maybe even Russ. Feels like Frank is doing everything he can to make certain he’s fired at this point. Worst season ever by a country mile. The end is, mercifully, nigh.

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    • Let us not forget that the Injuries to AD and LBJ were freak, stepping on someone’s foot. It happens. To me the biggest failure were the xtras on the team. Melo filled his role pretty well. Monk was a small surprise. Everyone else were pretty much failures. Even Reaves and THT were weak links as to what we needed. Spurs have a challenging sched, as do we. Suns will probably drive the stake. But a famous phrase from Yogi “It ain’t over till it’s over.”

    • FIVE THINGS:

      1. Fire Frank
      2. Trade Russ
      3. Extend LeBron
      4. Hire Quin
      5. Win Games

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    1) No D
    2) Guys trying hard
    3) Rest of the league younger, better, etc.
    4) Too many holes to fix in one trade
    5) Ownership still cheap.

    5 Things: ...

    1) No D
    2) Guys trying hard
    3) Rest of the league younger, better, etc.
    4) Too many holes to fix in one trade
    5) Ownership still cheap.

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    • 5 Things to be encouraged about tonight:

      1. AD playing like the best player on the planet
      2. Rested AD ready to repeat bubble performance
      3. Russell Westbrook figuring out how to fit in
      4. Energy from youngsters Monk, Reaves, Johnson, and Gabriel
      5. Scoring from savvy vets Melo and DJ Augustin

    • When a team gets old and broken down, it falls into the lottery and rebuilds through the draft. Oh yeah, gotta wait awhile for that…

      • Lakers sign LeBron to a 2-year extension with player option in second year. That lines his contract up exactly with AD. Last guaranteed year is 2022-23 and player options are 2023-24, when Bronny is draft eligible.

        Lakers will re-sign or trade AD and then use free agency to load up again for an AD led championship run. So Lakers will not have to go through complete rebuild like they did after Kobe because they have AD.

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    5 Things: Lakers free fall continues against Mavs

    Might not see another win the rest of the way at this rate. It’s gotta be hardest for the guys in the locker room that seem like they’re trying. They just lack overall roster talent. Frank threw the entire team at the Mavs except Wayne Ellington. Didn’t matter, game was over from the jump.

    1. No defense. The Lakers have been scoring enough to win basketball games. We just defend like crap. Could we use a better three point shooter? I don’t have that anywhere near the top of my list. It’s like 5th or so after paint defense, rim protection, perimeter defense, better on-ball defense and leadership. Only Houston, Portland and Sacramento give up more Opp. PPG than we do but we’re the 12th best offensive team. If we were even in the middle of the pack on defense we would be a very different team. For those who believe the solution lies in improving the offense we would have to be a top 3 offense in the NBA to overcome the differential our awful defense allows. Not happening now or this summer. Focus on the end with the most problems, AD and LBJ can score the basketball and if they’re not healthy it’s all moot.
    2. Luka looking really good. Dallas is my sleeper/dark horse pick to win it all based on how Luka is playing right now and that all the pieces around him fit well. They’ve improved on defense without giving up much on offense. Kristaps, who was never an intimidating defender despite his size, had too many holes in his game and moving on from him allowed the Mavs to make the game simpler. It’s worked and they look great.
    3. Monk was great. The kid is playing with passion and can do it all. Scores inside and out, makes plays for his teammates and takes care of the basketball. He’s making himself money and there are few scenarios remaining that allow me to see him staying unless he truly over-values the opportunity we’ve given him. More likely is we offer him whatever we can, someone offers more and he walks. Malik helped keep it as close as it was, which was not close at all.
    4. I’d keep DJ as a backup PG next season. Better than whatever option exists now. Could even start since he doesn’t need the ball, in many ways reminds me of D-Fish who would have been as perfect a compliment to LeBron as he was to Kobe. Ball-dominant players don’t need another ball dominant player. Why people keep trying to force that is beyond me. Get a solid backup and call it a day. DJ fits that mold and could maybe even be gotten for cheap.
    5. Hey look, Trevor Ariza. Remember when people were predicting he would be an X-factor? I had hoped he could fill a Rondo-esque role in the playoffs while working his way into shape during the regular season. Turns out all those calls were wrong as we won’t need a Rondo-esque player once the post-season starts without us.

    If it sounds like I’ve given up on this version of the Lakers you would be correct. I don’t see a path forward that reality allows for. AD coming back and fixing everything? Don’t see it. LeBron getting like super-dooper healthy with a couple of days off? Physically impossible. Some combination of trash heap players and the AARP equivalent of pro NBA players getting it done? The current results speak for themselves. Best to, essentially, tank. Reward the teams we bullied into trading with us, pay homage to the basketball Gods in a proper way by not treating preseason like an extended vacation, and show up next season with some fawking pride.

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    • Thank you, Jamie. Your take on Monk and DJ Augustin is a slam dunk. I would like to see those two guys back next year. On another note, is it just me but Reaves seems a little winded last night. Could it be fatigue setting in? Anyway, I am ready to accept whatever this team ends up with. 82 points at the half? Not sure if I ever heard of that before.

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    5 Things: Nothing left but to wait for the fork

    Done. If you saw what I saw I thought we were done the first game back from the ASB but kept coming back out of a stubborn belief in the purple and gold. Not so much the players currently wearing it but the spirit of what the Lakers are, to me anyway. In the end, like many things in life, faith wasn’t enough for this team to actually accomplish great things on the court. You need luck and, more than that, young players with skills and talent. We ain’t gone none of that. We got problems. Epic problems.

    1. LeBron should shut it down right now. There really is no conceivable reason that he should push it. San Antonio is just as likely to overtake us with or without him playing on one leg and a bad ankle. But if he blows out a knee or an Achilles compensating for his injuries we’re in trouble next season and that’s an avoidable situation now.
    2. No need to activate AD. Same as the above. Why risk anything now that will have an impact on next season? Makes no sense. Take the hit on the chin, realize whatever you did wasn’t enough, stop with the excuses and show up ready to ball in October when camp breaks.
    3. What to do with Russ. Frankly, at this point, I think that all depends on Monk. If we can keep Malik without having to move Russ I think the Lakers run this back again. They’ll have ample excuses as to why it will work now. They’ll have fired Frank, Russ and LeBron have already figured out how to co-exist on a basketball court together, and injuries/bad luck/COVID/blah blah blah/ hampered us this season and lightning can’t strike the same team/players three times…can it? The options seem few and far between. W&Sing him sounds like it’s pretty much off the table based on reports coming out of Laker Land. Trading with the Knicks seems off the table at this point as well which is a bummer as that was a team I thought just might want to actually add Russell. That basically leaves two options:
      -trade Russ and either Reaves or a pick or two for Houston to turn around and buy him out for John Wall (I don’t see them sending us players who can actually contribute)
      -Dame asks to be moved specifically to the Lakers and reminds ownership how much he’s given to the franchise.
      The Wall option to me is a no-go. Watching Klay Thompson play like a shell of himself save for a game or two here and there is all I need but I could easily cobble together a length list of speedy guards who never came close to re-capturing the impact they had prior to an injury like John Wall suffered. We don’t need more old, hobbled or slow. Toss in that we’d be starting all over, again, trying to incorporate three ball-dominant players after the ones we have basically just figured out how to kind of play together and I just don’t see the logic. I can even see letting Monk walk rather than go down the Wall path, honestly. I’d have to give that some serious thought as to which side of the fence I’d want land, though.
    4. Fire Frank? Again, there are a plethora of excuses why they might keep him on. Injuries, bad luck, he started playing the way the analytics told him, he listened to Kurt and also played Dwight more, he won us a banner, and so on. I think his time here has come to an end…but I also didn’t expect the Lakers to cheap out on this season like they have. So now another factor gets introduced: is there such a liquidity problem amongst the Buss kids/Laker ownership that they don’t want to pay 2 coaches? Remember they low-balled 4 other candidates prior to landing on Frank. My gut tells me they’ll still let him go…but I’m far from 100% certain of it at this point. Too many odd, terrible choices have been made in the name of saving some money to be ignored.
    5. The rest of the team. Maybe keep Carmelo? Maybe, maybe keep Dwight? After that burn it down. Trade Nunn, if you can, maybe package him with THT for a player’s exception we can turn around and sign Monk and a real center with. No offense to the player who has the Bone Bruise That Will Not Heal but you need to go. I don’t honestly care what a 2 year old highlight reel shows you used to be able to do, I don’t believe you have heart anymore, that you’re willing to do the work needed to be a winner. So see the door Kendrick, if he opts in. I think he will based on how terribly this has all gone and how little money will be out there. Wenyan…not gonna lie, he shouldn’t be playing on a championship team. Has it been a fuzzy and warm story for this dismal campaign? Sure, and I always root for the under dogs. But we’re not trying to film the NBA version of The Mighty Ducks we’re trying to win. Does anyone really believe that WG is a rotational player on a winning team? I don’t see it. Since we’re likely keeping Stanley Johnson we have already checked the “plays with a high motor but can’t shoot well” box. We should learn from our mistakes of this season, that you need players who can do something other than take up space in order to compete in the NBA. All the aged vet minimums after anyone listed above should not be re-signed, I don’t care how chipper they are in the locker room.

    Bonus point, for me, would be to fire Rob Pelinka who basically orchestrated this poorly run garage sale of an NBA team. I hold him to the fire more than anyone because it’s his job to evaluate and sign the best talent available and we didn’t do that. It’s his job to let the superstars know whey we’re not just going to do whatever they want and we didn’t do that. It’s his job to convince ownership that spending a little more on a player like Alex Caruso, who to be sure would not have been enough to make this season drastically different but when it comes down to a game or two he does swing that needle your way, is totally worth it. Rob failed every test presented to a GM of an elite sport franchise this season and should pay the exact same price Frank Vogel will. He won’t, and he should go to every mural of Kobe and Gigi in Los Angeles and the world beyond and thank them personally. I’m not sure anything other than his relationship with Kobe is saving him, to be honest.

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    • Why Rob Needs To Go:

      2018: Waived Thomas Bryant, who became a productive starter after the Wizards claimed him off waivers. If a young, talented big who can shoot the ball doesn’t fit your plans, why not trade him?
      2018: Revoked future All-Star Julius Randle’s qualifying offer to let him walk as an unrestricted free agent. Randle was the No. 7 pick in 2014.
      2019: Traded Svi Mykhailiuk and a second-round pick to the Pistons for Reggie Bullock, who left as a free agent after the season. Two smaller assets gone to rent the services of a veteran shooter. L.A. didn’t even make a playoff run.
      2019: Traded Ivica Zubac (and Michael Beasley) to the Clippers for Mike Muscala, who left as a free agent after the season. The Lakers wasted another quality draft pick (No. 32 in 2016), gave the Clippers a starter and haven’t had anyone as good at center.
      2020: Traded Danny Green and a first-round pick to get Dennis Schroder, who left as a free agent after the season. It was a significant step as L.A. broke apart its championship defensive identity, and it also threw away a first-rounder.
      2020: Traded JaVale McGee and a second-rounder to the Cavaliers for Alfonzo McKinnie and Jordan Bell (waived immediately) to make salary-cap room for Marc Gasol. After the season, McKinnie was waived, and Gasol was traded with a second-round pick and $250,000 to the Grizzlies. McGee is playing a valuable supporting role for the first-place Suns. Neither Gasol nor McKinnie is in the NBA. That journey cost two second-round picks.
      2021: Traded Kyle Kuzma, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Montrezl Harrell and a first-round pick for Russell Westbrook, which has been covered ad nauseam.

      The above is copied and pasted from a much longer and in-depth article about why we are where we are on the Bleacher Report website. Some of that happened while Magic was GM and Rob was his #2 but the pattern continued regardless.

    • I’m with you 100% that Frank Vogel and Rob Pelinka need to be fired. Problem is who replaces them? Lakers will likely fire Vogel and let Pelinka decide on new coach and offseason moves.

      That in a nutshell is the problem with the Lakers. They have an owner who won’t make the critical basketball decisions that good owners have to make, like what kind of a team do we want to build, what is our vision? Who do we hire to build a team that meets that vision?

      Some things that seem obvious to me at this point:

      1. GO BIG. Lakers need a modern stretch center like Myles Turner or Christian Wood that will allow them to play big or small. We need to be bigger, which means leaving AD at the 4 and LeBron at the 3. Top priority should be to trade for Turner or Wood. Trading chips are THT, KN, and 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks.

      2. STARTING POWER. Lakers need three starters that complement LeBron and AD rather than a third superstar, who makes it difficult to fill out the rest of the starting lineup with enough shooting and defense. Right now, Monk and Reaves would be better fits coming off the bench. Lakers also need two new starters to go with Turner or Wood. Players like Wall and Gordon to go with Wood or Brogdon and Hield to go with Turner.

      3. CONTINUITY. Lakers need continuity and stability, which means we consider bringing back LeBron, AD, Reaves, Monk, Johnson, Gabriel, Melo, DJ, and Dwight. That’s 9 players, giving the Lakers more returning players than any of the last three years. That also leaves 6 roster spots open for new players for whom THT, Nunn, and the picks provide us.

      • All those options went out the window when they made the Russ move, and everyone involved should be shown the door. Rob for not having the backbone to say no. LeKlutch because they lobbied for it. The assets on hand are not enough to get this bunch effectively out of this conundrum. Any efforts to unravel this only hurl them further into purgatory.

        Tuner is not an option, get his name out of your mouth. Wood, only if you make the Russ deal, parting with assets this team likely desperately needs when they really stink and still being saddled with equal garbage in Wall. May as well bite the bullet, tear it down, send Lebron somewhere he doesn’t have to suffer his decline on losing teams, get what you can for AD before street clothes become all he wears, and find some leadership that makes things happen in a few years.

        There are no viable options to fix the course with the current cast of characters and lack of assets. Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise.

      • I feel your pain Jamie, the thing about that list is, it didn’t even include all of the bone head moves that’s been made. Trading Dlo at the height of his trade value as a salary dump ranks up there as well. And to add insult to injury they didn’t retain Lopez who was willing to stay for 5mil. Then there is the matter of drafting Lonzo over Tatum, the league and Lakers scouting department favorite as best in the draft, only because Magic thought it would be a “great Hollywood story “ one can only imagine what we would have had left if we had Dlo, Randle, Tatum, BI and Kuzma when we traded for AD. We definitely would have had more left and we would be in better shape now. I’m pretty sure Rob is safe which is the same as saying we’re screwed. While I’m sure they will try hard to move Russ, there isn’t many realistic deals out there. I definitely wouldn’t trade for Wall. LeBron will play like LeBron until he hangs it up. You need a PG that can play off the ball and shoot. Dennis couldn’t adjust his game and Russ couldn’t either. Wall would be the same deal. A ball dominate PG that can’t shoot. It’s not a stretch to believe that keeping Russ would be better then trading for Wall. He is more than likely better than Wall is now.

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    5 Things: Lakers tantalize in loss

    Without LeBron I had this stamped, signed sealed and delivered as a loss. Then the game started and I thought we were at least playing the way you want to see a team without it’s best player rally. Then the 76ers shot 371 free throws. Then we came back. Then we lost. Still, it was a lot more entertaining than I thought it would be. Getting late for the Lakers.

    1. Russell’s solid outing. Other than the 7 turnovers and nascent trips to the free throw line (not by his design, mind you) I though Russell had a pretty good game. If he got the Harden treatment he would have gone to the line a few more times. Russ scored when we needed, tried to make the right play and generally played like the player I thought we traded for. It’s been a slog for Russ and he’s endured quite a lot of flack for a season for whom he is not entirely at fault for. But he, too, has his own responsibilities to shoulder for this dumpster fire of a season. It’s games like last night, and his play over the last couple of weeks, that makes me think the Lakers might run the trio back.
    2. Stanley’s stellar start. He faded in the scoring department after the first quarter but SJ came out with a head of steam and got us off the mark in the first quarter. He scored 13 points (which was what he ended with) and took only 2 more shots after the 1st frame but he also had the tough assignment of guarding James Harden, which I thought he did effectively. He also didn’t force his own offense after his hot start with 8 assists to lead the team along with Russ’s ocho. Johnson’s passing and handle have been a revelation to me as he has shown an above-average ability to make productive reads, can get to where he wants to on the floor (although some of that is out of sheer disrespect from the opposition who are playing him to get into the paint and try to score, that will eventually be scouted better).
    3. Dwight can still bring it. This is one of the more personally infuriating plot lines of the season. Dwight gets a start, plays well, sits for 3 games we usually lose. I just don’t get it. If Frank is doing this because the internal analytics team is telling him our offense is SOOOOO much better with Dwight off the floor they don’t understand basketball at a basic level. Is the spacing better? Yeah, I guess, but that’s not the be-all-end-all of a basketball team. Great spacing helps, yes, but so do these funny things called defense, rebounding, setting solid screens and size. So it will, to me at least, be quite ironic if Frank has foregone minutes for Dwight in the name of the over-used, over-referred to, and often flat wrong, theory of how the game should be played based on analytics. Let the big man loose while you still have a prayer Frank, offense isn’t as important enough to sacrifice all of your defense for. That’s the deal with the Devil the Lakers have made with LeBron at the center. Yes, the offense looks wonderful, but the defense sucks and we keep losing. So, while outscoring the opposition is the way to win, you don’t get there focusing on one end and entirely ditching the other.
    4. Free throws. Can’t be ignored. At one point the 76ers were approaching 20 and we were stuck on three. This after Russ got thrown to floor on a driving layup (no call), and Embiid landed on Stanley’s left shoulder which was deemed a rather excellent blocked shot by the official standing roughly 9 feet away. Johnson’s yapping after that one earned him a tech, the other one was gifted to Dwight who complained that he wasn’t afforded the same luxuries on defense (grabbing, pushing, etc.) that Joel was getting. This is a league of reputations, for better or worse, it’s why you need to work extremely hard not to get pigeon-holed in the NBA. Give up big leads, it’ll happen because the other team will smell blood if they can just make a couple of late buckets, breathe on James Harden wrong=foul, create space through bodying up means it’s a really tough call to make. The Lakers are on the wrong end of a lotta reputation issues and it’s not fun to watch. What also can’t be ignored is that they put themselves in those holes by blowing big leads to inferior teams all season long, not playing hard consistently for 48 minutes, and generally acting like an entitled team of destiny and not a team that has to earn it’s way for the first 2/3’s of the season.
    5. Here come the Spurs. I’m not sweating the 9th spot at this point, I’m expecting us to finish 10th…at best…and can easily envision a scenario where we play ourselves right out of the play-in rounds, as well. Don’t believe me? Cool, that’s what I call cognitive dissonance and willfully ignoring reality. Because with a scant 2 games separating us and 9 games to go for both teams we need to win more than we’ve shown ourselves capable of doing. 3 games is our longest winning streak of the season. T-h-r-e-e. The Spurs schedule looks like this:
    Sat, Mar 26@New Orleans
    Mon, Mar 28@Houston
    Wed, Mar 30vsMemphis
    Fri, Apr 1vsPortland
    Sun, Apr 3vsPortland
    Tue, Apr 5@Denver
    Thu, Apr 7@Minnesota
    Sat, Apr 9vsGolden State
    Sun, Apr 10@Dallas
    and ours looks like:
    Sun, Mar 27@New Orleans
    Tue, Mar 29@Dallas
    Thu, Mar 31@Utah
    Fri, Apr 1vsNew Orleans
    Sun, Apr 3vsDenver
    Tue, Apr 5@Phoenix
    Thu, Apr 7@Golden State
    Fri, Apr 8vsOklahoma City
    Sun, Apr 10@Denver

    So feel free to dismiss the reality that we are facing being eliminated from the playin round. The tie-breaker will be decided by the team with the better in-division record, I believe, since we split the games between our two teams this season. We’re behind on that score, as well, and we’re facing pretty tough in-division opponents from here on out.

    Anyhow, they’re all “must-win” from here on out and frankly that was the case after the All Star break. But, in a fashion typical for this team, we’ve continually squandered each and every possibility to make this season easier and so here we are: just likely to be the 10th seed as the 9th and facing a complete and utter collapse. Miss the playoffs with LeBron, AD, and Russ? To me that signals a total tear down, re-evaluation of our talent assessment (like who decided THT over Caruso) and so on. What it’ll signal to Jeannie is anyone’s guess.

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    • I liked how the Lakers responded without LeBron, especially that they played the same game as they played with him and almost won. Fewer turnovers by Russ, fewer free throws for Sixers, and hit a couple more threes and we would have had a win.

      At any rate, this is another win in my book because we showed consistency in how hard and how we play. Dwight was great and could be important because we don’t have anyone who can do what he can other than AD. Russ needs to be more careful but I like how he continues to post up his man to beat the paint packers. Great game by Stanley, who walked his earlier talk.

      Important point to me is there are lots of players who should be back next season. LeBron, AD, Reaves are under contract. Lakers should give Gabriel 2 year deal with team option like Johnson. Both should be back on those team options.

      Monk must return, even if we have to hard cap ourselves to pay him $10M per year. Hell, I’d bring back JR too. So how many is that?

      James, Davis, Reaves.
      Monk, Johnson, Gabriel
      Anthony, Augustin, Dwight?

      That’s 9 returning players.

      Gone are Russ, Bazemore, Ariza, THT, Nunn, Bradley, Ellington

      That’s 6 open roster spots to be filled via trading Russ, THT, and Nunn.

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    If I’ve learned anything about this team we have a slim to none chance of winning most nights and with The King resting his knee tonight Slim just left the building.

    San Antonio has a punchers chance of over-taking us in the standings. 3 games back with a far easier schedule.

    LeBron out

    If I’ve learned anything about this team we have a slim to none chance of winning most nights and with The King resting his knee tonight Slim just left the building.

    San Antonio has a punchers chance of over-taking us in the standings. 3 games back with a far easier schedule.

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    • So much for seeing how we handle Embiid without AD and LeBron.

    • Damn…no Jah vs Kyrie, no LeBron vs Embiid, no Steph vs Jimmy. Guess I’ll watch Jazz/Celts and Suns/Wolves instead. Spurs can pull to 2 games back in the loss column tonight….not sure who holds the tie-breaker.

    • Lakers points allowed last 10 games is 122.9 ppg. Lakers last 10 games we scored 118.3. LeBron accounts for a good 1/4 – 1/3 of that output on a nightly basis. Dwight for 50!!!!

    • This almost seems like more of a strategic rather than injury related decision. Better to not play Lebron at the five against Embiid. We’re locked in at #9 so smart move by Lakers. Deal with 76ers when we have both AD and LeBron.

      • We are in no way, shape, or form locked into the 9 spot….lol

        • We’re not locked into jack. 3 games back with 10 to go and San Antonio has a MUCH easier strength of schedule as they play Portland 3 times, Houston once and teams that are likely to be resting starters for playoff runs late. We have the exact opposite. That’s why I won’t be too blown away if we miss the playin based on how this team shows up on a nightly basis which is to say they arrive at the arena.

    • We’re pretty much locked up in the Play-In.
      10 games to go.
      Lakers playing better.
      4 games behind #8
      3 games ahead of #11
      We’re going to finish #9 or #10.
      Only difference is home or away game.

      • I think this is a smart move to get LeBron a full week off for the knee to recover. Need as much load management as possible so LeBron and AD will be fully healthy and rested for the playoffs.

        • That’s exactly what I have been saying for quite some time now. Let LeBron get as much rest as possible before the play-in. So I am all for this move.

          • I also think the Lakers may look for other opportunities to rest LeBron before end of year. We need a healthy and RESTED LeBron and AD to win. Let’s prioritize that.

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