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Spyda going to Cleveland, doesn’t sound like the Lakers are involved.
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I think the Pacers will hold firm now that the Knicks are out of the picture. But will Ainge? With 8 fresh first rounders in his pocket will he turn to dumping salary? Generally salary dumps do not bring back that much in the way of assets. It will be interesting to see how he moves forward. This team is still good enough to win enough games to keep him out of a high draft pick barring a very lucky ping pong ball bounce. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I think perhaps the first team to Agee to one pick would get the deal.
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I agree, but Danny is in full OKC mode right now. I’m sure a Conley/Clarkson/Gay for Russ and a pick entices Utah but no way I pull that trigger if I’m Rob. Wipes out all your space next summer and those are all old dues, except maybe JC.
Now…would you do that straight up? No picks? That’s a little different because then you can attach a pick and have one left over to move one or more of those guys. Clarkson could slot in as your starting 2. Conley start or backup Bev or rehab a sure-to-come soon injury fo one kind or another. Gay has been solid for years in the right scheme.
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Ominous news on the Kenrdick Nunn, if you can call it news. Evidently there have been setbacks as he ramps up for full 5-on-5 play, which he has yet to be cleared for. This is coming up on 2 years and now passing beyond bone bruise territory in my completely non-medical opinion. Something more than watching and waiting ought to be happening but there’s not much coming out of the team except for PR and hogwash these days. If he can’t go by camp we may need to seek the injured player exception and shut him down now, we need assets that contribute. He hasn’t been that at all.
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Looks like the Nets were able to get Durant to back off his self-created cliff. Smart move on both sides, they weren’t going to get a better player or the draft haul they wanted. Will this ease the logjam? I’m not so sure. Mitchell hasn’t asked out and that roster in Utah is actually competitive as-is, easily as competitive as us. Indy won’t be taking a pick and pick swap since the Lakers are essentially out of moves.
Time for the Lakers to start mending their own fractures with Russ unless Rob is given the green light to overpay for two decent to above average role-players. Otherwise we’ll be in a worse situation with the Nets. Since I don’t see either Indy or the Lakers finding a middle ground here the time for a Kumbaya moment has now arrived.
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Watching all these website close tents on the Kyrie Irving to LA story is kinda funny. Things are written like “Nets are being stubborn” and “the Lakers have other options besides Brooklyn” all sound cute but totally obfuscate the truth that the Lakers have scraps to offer. Russ will be cheaper to buy out in a few months, our role players either didn’t play last season or shouldn’t have, and the picks are few and far away. Rob is, frankly, completely out of his depth. Far from a master class in team building but rather a lesson on how to look desperate while actually also being quite desperate. Honestly, the Lakers are lucky LeBron has non-basketball reasons to stay. I have no doubt that for all the favors Rob has done Klutch as GM if the team were to lose LeBron suddenly Anthony Davis, and any other Klutch Klient, would suddenly develop a strong and persistent opinion that they should be playing somewhere else. Rob has one move to make and it’s hard to not think he’s still, somehow, blowing it. If (which basically means when now) Russ starts the season in a Laker uni, Rob might be fired before camp concludes. Why? Because we will not be a good team. We might be worse than last season or marginally better, but not good. More likely is he gets you sit in His chair until closer to the end of next season but you never know. Anyhow, we got LeBron and AD so if we don’t bring back players on multi year deals for Russ we’ll be in decent shape next summer. One wonders if it will be Rob’s hand guiding the ship or maybe someone else?
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On the Team or not, Brick shouldn’t see the floor. He should be nowhere near the team as he rides out his contract. He’s as detrimental to winning as was Kwame back in the day. He’s good for at least 2-3 horrible plays per game that result in total momentum and scoreboard shifts. He’s antithetical to winning basketball and if not traded, should just be told to stay away from the team.
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I don’t think that’s gonna happen. Jeannie gripes about vet minimum guys who didn’t play. Russ makes a little more money than that. I’ve seen that theory a lot but there’s no way they can hope to trade him if he doesn’t play. There’s no way Jeannie signs off on paying him to stay home. Coach Ham came into this eyes wide open, it’s why they asked the coach how they’d use Russ. He’ll play. He might get benched and gripe or whatever but he’ll be on the active roster and playing some sort of role.
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I don’t think him playing has anything to do at all with his tradability. There’s literally no one trading for him that expects a positive on-court product from him. If anyone does ultimately bite, it’ll be for an expiring contract, far off picks, and whatever other assets they can pry from the Lakers. His detrimental play only serves to further harm the Lakers, but I don’t see it affecting the outcome of a trade in any way. Unless they somehow think he can recapture his former glory, anyone trading for him does so knowing they’re getting a shot fighter.
As for Lebron signing, I’m sure the team and his team poked around looking for a better landing place. Based on his signing with absolutely no improvement to the roster and none on the horizon, this goes to show there was no deal to be had. Certainly not one looking to spending anything close to the 9-figure range for a couple of diminishing seasons from the washed king. I really don’t know what any of them are thinking at this point, but it clearly ain’t championship.
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C’mon Lebron on an expiring contract is effectively a free agent. Cleveland would’ve been a much better shot at a championship and a great narrative they could’ve spun. When the call came through, Dan Gilbert just gave them a big ole Comic Sans “No Thanks.” “I could barely stomach Lebron when he was the best in the game. Now he’ll be a reputation-only all-star at the tail end and he and his “agency” will still expect to run my team? That’s gonna be a no from me dawg.”
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I agree 100% with Stan. If Russ is not gone, he should just be sent home. Don’t let him take away minutes from guys who deserve it and poison the team.
In the end, the Lakers need what they can get from Russ so badly that they can’t wait for the trade deadline. He will be moved before training camp. Count on it. Take it to the bank. Guaranteed.
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Tom you act as if they didn’t proposition each and every coaching candidate what they would do with Russ, that Jeannie didn’t gripe about paying Jared Dudley a vet minimum to barely play, and that Rob hasn’t raided the future to build mediocre teams for the last 2 seasons. LeBron has/had few options. Ride out his old deal, hope he doesn’t get hurt, and test the free agent market as 39 year old or take max money and preserve his option to bail the year his son could come into the league. That deal doesn’t exist anywhere else. Him coming back was etched in stone.
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LOL. They asked him because it get a of people, including you, to buy the story that they were going to keep him if they didn’t get an offer they like. It’s also a good question to see what the coach candidates would come up with. It’s been all just a big PR move from Day 1. From his exit interview, it was obvious Russell Westbrook would never wear purple and gold again.
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Also…who on this roster deserves Russ’s minutes?! We got cast offs and non-shooters up and down the roster. Russ is better than 3/4s if the dudes in the team right now. Lol…
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I agree Jamie, if Russ can cut back on the bone head stuff, all he needs to be is respectable. I with you, I really don’t see a trade until later in the year. And I read a article. And apparently LeBron understands that there may not be any trades until later in the year. I’m in no hurry for a Pacer trade. There is a reason Buddy comes off the bench. All he can do at a high level is shoot. And Turner’s an upgrade but not a huge up grade. The Pacer trade doesn’t get us into the top 4 in the west unless some the others take big steps forward. I’m interested in seeing what Thomas Bryant looks like. His star was rising before the injuries. The only reason he is on the team is because of the injuries. If healthy he runs the floor better then Turner and is a much better defender and 3 point shooter. If he is back in form, he will be as big of a steal as Malik was last year.
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Excellent fiver, Jamie.
1. LeBron and the Lakers partnership. I think you hit the nail on the head. Personally, I applaud LeBron for tempering his desire to win and become the GOAT, he’s always shown a respect for life-work balance. I respect and appreciate that about him. He’s as good a man as basketball player.
2. What does the extension mean for Lakers? I’m more sanguine about the Lakers extending LeBron. What it means to me is LeBron is buying exactly what the Lakers are selling, that they are the destination for the league’s legends. Magic, Kobe, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Logo, Baylor, Big James, Wilkes. Lakers making an investment in their brand as home of the greats.
3. LeBron’s expectations. If we’re to believe the scuttlebutt, the Nets now want a win-now player along with draft capital and the Pacers have a minimum price of two first round picks for Turner and Hield. No way in my mind that the Lakers do not trade Russ before camp. Deals will be there. Goal should be Kyrie and Myles. That’s what the Lakers need to get for Russ, Nunn, and 2 unprotected picks.
4. I sure hope you’re wrong about the Lakers keeping Russ. Frankly, if they do keep him, that should be the final straw in firing Rob Pelinka. Turning down a chance to move Russ or get Kyrie or get Turner and Hield to save a pick 7 years from now would be criminally negligent behavior by Rob Pelinka.
5. The first big move was hiring Darvin Ham. The second big move was extending LeBron James. The third big move will be trading Russell Westbrook.
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Nets can’t trade Kyrie until they resolve Durant. It’s not the Lakers timeline. They’re going to be the kid waiting to get picked last. Hence it will be in-season. Maybe not February although that feels the most likely. Also don’t think they’ll cough up 2 picks for Turner and Buddy. Seems like if they were they would have.
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Great fiver, Jamie. We’ve heard this same story before every season since AD arrived. He’s looking great physically and seems primed to have a great season. The Lakers offense should run through him. But what does that really mean.
Ironically, I’m in the middle of writing my version of that same article so great minds think alike. Main difference is I’m assuming Russ is traded. Bottom line, I agree. AD is the Crux. We’re a long shot to win a championship this season but our only realistic shot is if Anthony Davis shows that he can play the entire season like he played in the bubble to win the championship. AD must show he is top-5 player.
The Lakers seem to have adopted the approach of revamping the entire roster every season. The result has been a dreadful lack of continuity and growth. And yes, we’ve also made moves each season to try and reduce LeBron’s workload by bringing in point guards, a move we’re looking to do again this summer. Schroeder didn’t work. Westbrook didn’t work. Who’s got next? Kyrie? Your question is spot on. What’s changed now to make AD work.
1. I agree we will see AD sprinting down the court, especially if he plays the three on defense, where he will be guarding players out to the 3-point line. In Ham’s offense, first player down the court takes the dunker spot. That’s going to be AD. Look for a lot of early long passes to AD, which is a Lakers staple that will work perfectly in Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense.
2. Anthony Davis, 3-point marksman. You’re right, the stats aren’t promising that AD can be a plus 3-point shooter. In fact, the bubble playoffs were the outlier to the rest of his career. As a Laker, AD has shot 33%, 26%, and 19% from three. And the best he’s ever shot is 34%. On the flip side, he did shoot 38.3% in the bubble while also shooting 60% on 2-point shots. He also is an 83% free throw shooter in the playoffs. So bottom line, the potential is there but AD is going to have to prove he can shoot a good percentage from deep. It will be key to his success. It was his outside shooting that was the difference maker in his game in the bubble.
3. AD’s shot chart. One of the things you must consider is how Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense works. First guy down the court takes the dunker spot. Next two take the corners, putting first three players down the court all on the baseline. The key players in this offense are the two players on the left and right wing. The Bucks switched from 5-out to 4-out to create more space for the two players at the top of the key, who were usually Giannis and Khris. For the Lakers, I expect most of the time that those two players will be LeBron and AD. While there will be matchups where the Lakers will work the ball into the post for AD, most of the time he will have the ball behind the arc on the wing with loads of space to face up his defender and beat him off the dribble to get into the paint for an easy shot or assist.
4. Interior scoring focus. Assuming we get the shooters we need by trading Russ and THT, we’ll see the Lakers take a lot more threes because that’s how Ham wants to play. We’ll also see lot of midrange jumpers by LeBron and AD and lots of dunks from having a big in the dunker spot. We need shooters to make this work so that Russ and THT trades are critical but I think we will see an offense much more like the Bucks than the last three years of Lakers. Depending on whom we trade for, we could be a big bully team or an undersized team. One way or another, AD is going to put up a lot more shots and score more points than any of his first three seasons with the Lakers.
5. AD as point center. I agree not his strength but something he is going to have to do better if he’s going to get the ball so much because teams will try to force him to pass unless they have a defender who can handle him on-no-one. Here is where the spacing of Ham’s 4-out offense is going to be critical. The space between defenders in the 4-out is greater than the 5-out because there are only two players not on the baseline compared to three not on the baseline with 5-out sets. That means it’s hard for defenders to help and further to go to double.
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Thanks Tom, it’ll be interesting to see if/what moves Rob makes. I know you think a lot of this is all posturing and that both draft picks are all but ear-marked for trades but I’m not really so sure. At any rate, there hasn’t been any trade to date so since Russ and Kendrick are still on the team I’m not doing any kind of imagineering or stuff like that. Ham needs to work with what he’s got and so to do we. If that changes, so be it.
At any rate, as always, AD needs to play first and foremost. Any scheme involving him probably imagines that he’s not in street clothes. So his health and availability (as are all of our players) is a major key. His free throw shooting seems to come and go, which makes me think that’s as much an issue of focus and mental strength as his form and skill. I would say that 5 three point FGA/game would be the absolute ceiling. More of those just means we need elite rebounders to stop other teams from getting out on the break from us. I like him in the 3-4 range, which is his career average, and you see as well as I, he’s not an elite marksman from distance but he does do enough to keep his defender honest.
Since I don’t think Davis will be playing the three, especially since it pulls our best rebounder out of the rebounding area, I disagree with your notion of him being first out on the break. that’ll be James, Russ, Nunn, …THT…, and LW4. Guys who are truly fast or can get to spots at will through speed, strength and/or skill. I honestly don’t want AD playing defense on the perimeter, it takes away all of his strengths. Can he guard a smaller player on the perimeter? Sure, and we’ve seen Derek Fisher guard centers. Doesn’t make it a smart or good choice. Can and should are worlds apart. You want AD in or near the paint challenging shots at the rim, especially when you consider how much better at defense AD is than either Jones or Bryant. Even better when he’s at the as he is an elite help defender more than body up defender.
Since you keep bringing up trades that haven’t happened, I’ll bite. Don’t really see how we can trade THT and Russ, you’ll have to pick one. You could maybe get away with one draft pick in a trade for Talen but Russ, this summer, is going to take two to tango and once you do that you’re done. Pick swaps are cute but they are not driving forces in a trade, they can be the one thing that makes it feel like a “win” for one side or another when it’s really a lateral victory. “Oh, but we got a pick swap, OUR TEAM WON THE TRAD!!!!”. Russ at the deadline after the Lakers are on the book for the majority of his salary…different discussion. One gets it done mid-season, maybe even none for a team desperate enough at that time to unload salary (like Brooklyn could be if they try and shoehorn Durant into the season and it utterly blows up in their faces). Including THT with Russ just means more money for some team to pay taxes on. Not happening.
At any rate, I think the main thing about running the offense through Davis is him actually being on the court to do that. So here’s hopinh he plays in close to 82 games.
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Nice Jamie, it is refreshing to have something other then rehashing the same trade proposals over and over. As for AD, I want to see him scoring inside as much as possible. With his skill set, that’s were he thrives. At times he is unstoppable. One just has to look at the 76er game last year, where he destroyed Embid a 3 time all nba defender, with points around the rim and short jumpers. If he proves he can become a plus 3 point shooter, great, you can adjust but the plan going into the season, trade or no trade has to feature AD inside, or you are totally wasting one of the very best interior scorers in the game today. I’m
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Michael, I have the same thought on AD. He is way more effective inside than when he settles for those outside the paint shots. The exception being during the bubble year when he was a constant threat with his jump shot. But that abandoned him mysteriously afterward.
Now if he can replicate that midrange magic I will be more than happy to be his armor bearer.
But first, I want him to convince me he is going to be available for the full season. That may sound like an unrealistic demand but the Lakers are not going anywhere without AD and LeBron being healthy for the season.
Here’s hoping we will have a season filled with good health and cohesiveness.
We Lakers fans have been heartbroken this past two seasons and it’s all because of injuries which in turn affected our chemistry. It’s about time to rejoice and it all starts with AD and LeBron being healthy.
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Thanks, Jamie. I think we both agree that AD is the key. He has to be healthy and the player we had in the bubble or we can’t win. And LeBron has to stay healthy and play great too. Oh, and we have to move Russ or we will be a play-in team.
I think the Lakers have multiple options to trade Russ and THT. If we trade with the Nets, I think it will be those two plus two picks for Kyrie and Joe. I think we can get Turner and Hield with one pick and one swap, leaving a pick to juice THT. Truth is both Russ and Talen need sweeteners.
We may have another month to wait. Hope we’ll all be pleased rather than disappointed when this is all over. I feel 40% Kyrie/40% Myles and Buddy/10% another Russ trade/10% we keep him but bench him.
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Great fiver, Jamie. How funny that the two of us end the offseason hoping for the same trade. Only need to give them one pick swap. Pick swaps are almost as good as picks as they guarantee that you will get a chance to swap and the date far enough away that the pick becomes another commodity to be traded several times before being used.
I have probably written over a dozen long articles trying to get Myles Turner on the Lakers over the past 5 years. The thought that it might actually happen scares me it’s taking so long I might not still be around when they finally announce it. A Turner, Davis, James front court will dominate. I love Kyrie but Turner and Hield are the right ticket this time around. Just don’t let pipe dreams of Kyrie screw this up.
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While funny I think the one thing we probably still differ on is the timing of this happening. I think the Pacers hold the line on their “two 1st rounders” demand until after the season starts. The reason being is that they aren’t really in a rush to get a deal for Russ done, especially if the plan is to turn around and buy him out. The Russ deal has been on and will be on the table for awhile now and continue to be for as long as it takes to actually get done.
That’s why I predict in the article that your dream of an in-season trade will at long last come to fruition as I think the Pacers will go f or just the one draft pick when the buyout cost drops as the season rolls along. They don’t need to trade either player as they have the luxury of time. Russ will be the most valuable he can possibly be the last day of trading, the Lakers will have footed the bill for his salary up until that point and a buy out will be reduced significantly for the team bringing him in while still getting all the benefits of his expiring salary.
Lakers are the ones in a rush. Nobody else is. It’s why the Nets trade will continue to get floated simply because it has more of a deadline than any other deal the Lakers might want to swing. Nets are probably in a little less of a rush than the Lakers but it’s minute.
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I think training camp will be the deadline for the Lakers making moves. I would not be surprised to see the Lakers re-engage the Pacers. Russ plus 2027 pick and 2026 pick swap for Turner and Hield. That would allow us to then trade THT and the 2029 pick for a Beverley or Washington.
PG: NUNN, Reaves, Christie
SG: HIELD, Walker,
SF: DAVIS, Brown, Toscano-Anderson
PF: JAMES, Washington, Johnson, Gabriel
CE: TURNER, Bryant, JonesTW: Swider, Pippin
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There was never going to be a Pacers trade as long as Kyrie was still a possibility. Right now, KD and Kyrie seem to have no problem playing together and Kyrie has no problem playing in Brooklyn.
That means Kyrie is staying in Brooklyn no matter whether KD is traded or stays. That ends the Lakers desire or need to trade with the Nets. I would also say it dims the chance of signing Kyrie next summer too.
With no Kyrie, the Pacers are next. We both think a pick swap will work as it’s as good as having the Lakers pick for that year. Yet, LAL keep one pick to use to sweeten THT trade for an important player, maybe Beverley or Washington.
With no shot a Kyrie, Lakers will be ready to move quickly as will the Pacers. I expect Tsai to say the Nets will double their efforts to trade KD and that could happen in a week. Once that chip falls, Lakers will move to close deal for Turner and Hield and maybe Beverley to give Ham the attack dog point guard he wants on defense. Beverley, Hield, Davis, James, and Turner would be one hell of a defensive team.
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KD demanding the Nets get rid of Nash and Marks! Oh man…you can’t make this crap up. Kyrie not playing? No problem, but THESE TWO GUYS GOTTA GO!!!
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-Nash has 2 years remaining on his coaching deal. Earlier in the summer the Nets publicly backed him and said they had no interest in a coaching change.
-Evidently reports from back in April that signalled Marks had signed an extension aren’t really verififable… So not sure if he’s going to stick around.
-One has to wonder why KD didn’t make this plain months ago, you know, so the Nets could decide if they wanted to change 2 massive aspects of their business or not?
-remember when people feared the Nets? That was like fearing a balloon that’s already popped lol. Whatta joke…My prediction: Nets keep Irving and KD together. Best way to keep Durant happy, they can address Irving next summer or, if it’s not working/he’s not playing, at the deadline. Marks may or may not have much time left on his deal and likely is over this debacle anyhow and they have time to replace Nash before the season. Tsai caves to KD’s whims and cans ’em both. They hire Stotts or D’Antoni. Ironic as all get out if it’s #2.
The Kyrie Irving trade that was never to be is dead, my friends.
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Dude is auctioning off his championship rings to help Ukraine (his home country). All the BS flying around these days, figured it’d be nice to hear something:
A) Real.
B) Interesting.
C) Uplifting. Nice to see an ex-Laker having an impact.FWIW he keeps in touch with Mad Dog Madson and Luke Walton. Good stuff. Also, the Lakers sent him sports equipment to help rebuild gyms and sport complexes destroyed in Russian air strikes. Good stuff.
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While I am not a fan of players auctioning off their championship paraphernalia, this story is certainly uplifting and inspirational. Man, I wish there was no war and suffering of the innocent people. But as John F Kennedy famously said: “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” My hat off to Slava, and thanks for bringing this to our attention, Jamie.
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Fabulous Fiver, Jamie. One of the best imo. Props also to Mongo for the fishing theme. Waiting is certainly the Hardest Part.
1. Seismic shifts. I remember well your predicting that a possible seismic shift could shake up the Westbrook situation. You were certainly right so props. Good reminder that this is not our father’s NBA.
Player empowerment is getting even more aggressive and is unlikely to change. The small market owners will try to put a lid on player empowerment but the players and big market owners are fine with the constant player movement.
Truth is player empowerment is kind of like our climate crisis. Seismic shifts expected.
2. Baits in the Water. Love the progression of the fishing theme.
What’s added to the frustration is team’s not trusting giving up the barn for KD, thus he has become the road block for other moves. He could easily end up as a Net next season. My guess is Kyrie still gets traded to the Lakers as I don’t see Brooklyn or KD wanting to run it back with him.
3. Big Fish Still Out There. The tension mounts.
Could the Lakers end up catching nothing but a bottom feeding carp rather than the sleek starfish they’re seeking?
I agree August 4th is a day where we could see some clarity. Could LeBron sign an extension? Or will he leave the Lakers hanging and say he will wait and see. That could change everything. Better subtitle might have been Storm Brewing.
4. Cut Bait and Run. Good header but this is where you and I split.
First, the idea the Lakers are giving up their only draft picks is BS. They have guaranteed pick every other year and have two future picks tied up with swaps that will come free. They only owe 1 pick from the AD deal.
Second, the chances of LeBron and the Lakers separating at this point in miniscule. LeBron wants to be here. Who knows how many years he still has? He’s not at this age going to want to pick up stakes and move to another team.
Third, I think there’s a third possibility for Jeanie’s position on picks, which is it’s part of PR campaign to make Lakers appear less desperate.
5. The one that got away. Great ending subtitle. Pure genius.
Hopefully, this won’t be our ending. Thought the topic would lead to discussion of not offering the second pick when we might have closed the deal for Kyrie or for the Pacers. I do agree the deal is not dead until the assets involved have been dealt.
The picks are meaningless at this point. The Lakers or even the team you trade those picks to will never use them for players. Those picks will become a form of baseball’s own crypto currency as they’re traded numerous times.
Arguing that using them for Turner and Hield would be shortsighted is silly. Holding onto the picks is the only way the Lakers could convince LeBron James to leave.
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Great Post Jamie, you are spot on. There are a lot of dominos that have to fall before it’s the Lakers turn. I also like the Lakers approach. They haven’t caved in to Lebrons pressure and are trying to make the best possible deal. I’m with you on Turner and Buddy. I wouldn’t give up both firsts for them. Turner would be a marginal upgrade. Yes he is a good drop down defender and a great shot blocker, but he also is hunted on defense on the perimeter and while he can hit the 3 he is a below average 3 point shooter that I wouldn’t want taking a lot of them. And there is a reason Buddy was a bench player for a bad team. Shooting is the only thing he brings to the table.we could be a little better with them but not contender better. I think you only trade both firsts if it gives you a punchers chance at a title. A Kyrie trade may do that, especially if a healthy Harris were included but it still is risky if you don’t win it all. Kyrie has left a bad taste in every team he’s ever played for mouth. He could easily be a one and done player with the Lakers because nobody knows where his head will be next season, even Kyrie.
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I have to disagree with you on Myles Turner, Michael. I think the key to this season is reducing the workload on LeBron and AD and letting them play the 3 and 4 rather than going against bigger, tougher defenders by playing the 4 and 5.
I think Turner is criticial in that he gives us a young stretch five who is perfect to play alongside Anthony Davis, who is better facing the basket than posting up and better as a help shot blocker than primary low post defender.
I’m not a fan of having Kyrie be our point of attack defender or having unproven Jones or Bryant playing stretch five and rim protector. I would much prefer adding Turner and playing with a real two bigs.
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Unproven? Thomas was a rising star in the league before the injuries. If he didn’t have the set backs you may have been wanting to trade for him. If he’s healthy he is also perfect along side AD. And lest we forget Turner hasn’t actually been a picture of health either. So either way you are betting on a healthy season. I’ll roll with the guy that is not costing two draft picks. And Bryant is a couple of years younger with room to grow. He’s a hustle player and is one of the best in the league at running the floor. A slight upgrade at center and a bench scorer isn’t going to get us to a contender level. Plus next year you are not going to let Turner walk for nothing and Buddy has 20 mil left on his contract. So you will have 40+ mil to replace Westbrooks 47 mil so again not a lot of options to improve the team.
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My words from above: “Remember they’re not the only picks we have access to, the other ones just can’t be traded until draft night of their respective summers. ”. I’m well aware of our future draft asset stratus. They are the only assets we can trade now, later in the season if something goes wrong, next summer at any time and so on. The other picks, lovely as they are, can only be traded on draft day. We will not know if NOLA is swapping 2024 pick until they announce it, if we’re healthy it’s likely next summer. Hence my multiple declarations that NOLA is, in essence, also holding one of OUR draft picks hostage until they choose. That one being 2026. Can’t be traded if NOLA picks out 2025…until it’s relative draft day. This is all fairly plainly written up there. The 2027 and 2029 (are hell, let’s start including the next decade in the convo and add 2030!) are the only tools available for several years that can be used…in season…to improve the roster. Those are not tools to be wasted in a mid grade improvement. I’ve never bought the certainty of the “addition by subtraction” argument. First off it’s being made in a vacuum, but more importantly it’s an overpay to burn both picks on those two players. I don’t see how that’s not as plain as the nose on all of our faces. The Lakers have had a bad habit of burning good assets on bad players and, worse to my opinion, players we turn around and let walk for nothing. That’s not building. That’s not smart. That’s silly and wasteful, especially given the facts as to how Jeannie wants to keep costs down. Know how to do that? Draft players who are cost-controlled. Of course, then you get Rob selling short with Christie with just a 2 year deal so there’s little hope he has any clue he knows what he’s doing at this point. The man is inept.
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
Dennis Schroder has indicated he’d be open to return to the purple and gold. Who would be in favor of a DS redux? Honestly…I can think of worse options.
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One problem with every Westbrook trade is getting back a point guard, or keeping Nunn for that position, or trading THT for Beverley, which makes sense from a 3&D and Darvin Ham point of view. Almost impossible to get enough good players without trading Russ as he is worth two or three rotation players in return. TPE is great for landing players like Hield or Gordon but need to be packaged with a pick. Lakers do have some good options but most of them will require unprotected picks. Are the Lakers ready to do that? That’s the question.
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
Now “news” is coming out that LeBron, Russ and AD all committed to each other during summer league on a phone call. This would have been prior to the Phoenix game and the “awkwardness” between Russ and LeBron. I think we have reached max wackiness. All I know is I have no clue what’s next…
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Celtics have an $18.1mil that expires Monday. Playing with Monopoly money since they’re roster looks pretty stacked. Going to be interesting to see if they use it (possibly in a move for Clarkson?) or let it expire.
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Jamie Sweet wrote a new post
Like last summer, when we low balled Caruso and lost him for nothing, we have entered the “Rob and Jeanie playing cutesy-wootsey with the season” territory. This has been the Laker MO since the banner year. We startled dismantling, player by player, a defensive focused team with dynamic size and scoring. Mainly because we thought Danny Green wouldn’t age well, that Caruso could be replaced by an aged and broken Trevor Ariza and that KCP and Kuzma’s impact could easily be replicated by Carmelo Anthony and any number of vet minimum players. To no surprise to this fan each of those has turned out to be the absolutely and unequivocally wrong move. Russell Westbrook is but the most expensive and public figure of that massive miscalculation. Now we have a disgruntled 47 million dollar player nobody wants. Nobody. Not for cap relief. Not for two middling 1st round draft picks two years out. Nobody. There is no shortage of theories and dreamy trade scenarios being bandied about. In fact that started back before the deadline when the same 4 assets the Lakers are peddling now were peddled with bo interest back at the trade deadline last season. The value of Nunn, THT, Russ and the 2 draft picks 5 and 7 years out respectively is unchanged. The value is low, really low. Like nobody is interested low. The thing about trades is both parties need to agree so I long ago tuned out every single one-sided mostly benefits the Lakers deal. Pie in the sky fantasy isn’t the pathway out of this. Rob and Co. need to embrace reality. Like yesterday. I think the Lakers have at least had conversations about including all of those assets in some potential trades. I think the return on that has not been palatable. Whether it be the size of Russ’s deal, the fact that Nunn was sidelined by a bone bruise for an entire season, the way THT’s deal is structured (and the low impact he has shown to possess) or the fact our offerable draft picks are quite a ways out there has been zero actual movement beyond the chatter generated by media outlets and blogs. As always I can kind of forgive fans for indulging in whimsy and wonder, they’re not paid to run the Lakers. But Rob had to have known at least a portion of what is now evident as far back as last March or he is inept. If I can see the writing on the wall a team worth billions should be able to, as well. The miscalculation isn’t really in the worth of our assets, though. Due diligence is one thing. But, unlike Tom’s post signaling success by a front office when they hadn’t done anything but sign low hanging free agent fruit, I think the Lakers gravely underestimated how their two-faced and double-handed approach would effect the fraying relationship with the player who is actually on the team right now: Russell Westbrook. Whether it’s LeBron’s passive aggressive approach to this situation on social media (he posts weekly “joke” posts on Instagram in which he puts a Russ for some other player and calls it “Would you like to see this happen? Your battery % is the chance it will) or the public nature in which the hunt for a Russ trade has played out it’s small wonder, to me anyhow, that Russ is seemingly pissed. Unlike the Lakers, at least up to this point, Russ himself has remained silent. Only his agent’s semi-classless take down job on his way out after a parting of ways provides any clues into how Westbrook feels. However, like Jeannie’s tweet which I felt (and she later confirmed) was taken wildly out of context, the same may be happening with Russ and his agent. We don’t have any real facts to go on but I do think the Lakers are treading on eggshells. The fact is that the market for Russell is and has always been very small, if it ever really existed. You can’t endlessly shoo him for every dude selling fruit from a cart at a park and expect him to show up chipper and ready to ball. There is some , or should be anyhow, level of respect for his game and his accomplishments. That doesn’t give him license to do whatever he wants but you will be absolutely wasting any chance ti. I’m Pete if there’s a $47 million dollar player who you don’t play. Jeannie will not abide that, Russ will not be sent home to pout, he’ll pout on the bench or in the court. He will be around the team, any suggestions contrary to that are, to put it politely, absurd. The fact that LeBron and AD aren’t pleased as punch should be a lesson for them to take home and marinate on. Let the GM do their job, don’t get involved unless you’re sure you want the responsibility. Can’t have it both ways. The bottom line is we’re a couple months away from everyone sucking it up and putting their pride to the side a little bit, something pro athletes are totally great at doing. Should be interesting. Coach Ham is going to have his work cut out for him.
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In case you can’t tell from the rant above I’m pissed. Not because I expected a trade to happen because I never really did. But that people paid to be better than me at this seem too obtuse to realize that there will be pretty much one shot for the Lakers to trade Russ and not pay for the doing. That shot is (was since it’s basically a blown chance now) was to bring Russ back with open arms (including James and Davis) and trying to rehab his value for the trade deadline. His deal will have the most value it can have on that day, if he plays well enough up to then a team can talk itself into living with him on the roster for a couple months. Rob has to go after this. He’s not running a master class in anything but cowing the a singular sports agency, is terrible at evaluating talent that you bring in via free agency and the only thing I give him any credit at all for at this point is not screwing up the draft by opposing what the scouts recommend we use our meager draft assets for. There has not been one single move that panned out after we’ve won. Not one. It’s almost as if we never win it at all. This is how bad jokes start. Someone needs to get in Rob’s face and tell him to stop fussing over his hair and get to &@$%ing work.
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Well put Jamie. I wonder if Robb would have a job now if he wasn’t Kobe’s BFF. The way the season is shaping up that won’t be enough to save him. Every thing has sprung from one fundamental mistake. Robb’s failure to understand that as long as LeBron plays he will have the ball in his hands. It’s a nice thought about saving him but it will never happen. Robb traded a first rounder and Danny for Dennis, a ball dominate guard. Didn’t work. Then he traded 2 more players from the NBA’s best defense for Russ and that didn’t work. LeBron needs a guard that can shoot and play off the ball. He finally got it right with Nunn but unfortunately he was hurt. You can make a lot of mistakes as a GM but not understanding your players and what fits and doesn’t fit is unforgivable.
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In short, no one wants Russ. Russ would rather be paid to sit than deal with constant rumors and (well earned) disparagement, but most importantly, no one wants Russ and his outlandish remaining contract. Russ, draft picks a million years from now, Talentless tucker, and won’t play Nunn are not enticing enough to get anyone to bite. I would rather lose Kyrie for nothing than take on that trash heap in trade. At some point this whole “We can’t lose an asset for nothing” thinking has got to shift to, “WTF do we need this losing player for all this money.” Ayton comes to mind – If he comes out lazy and unmotivated as expected, now you’re paying 35mil for a big stiff who has no place in the modern NBA game.
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Nope. Not involved. So that all but wipes the Knicks off the board, hard to see them doing a trade with us straight up as they’ve said they’re not interested in Russ since March. Indy and Utah for the dregs is about all that’s left. Neither trade worth 2 draft picks, both teams likely to insist on both to get it done. Who blinks?