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    5 Things: The Kids Were...Alright

    Scrubs vs. Starters was a perhaps unexpected plot twist to the preseason. LeBron and Russell rested for the sake of rest and AD missed time due to his balky back. After assuring the world that, were the games to matter, AD would play, coach Ham trotted out a who’s who of bench guys on this iteration of Laker basketball. For the most part they floundered against the superior starting line up that Minnesota deployed but still some players shined and it was good for all of them to get the kind of run they just won’t see in an NBA game.

    1. My opinion to start Thomas Bryant remains unchanged. The dude plays hard, has a better skillset than Jones, and just looks hungrier. Touching the next level only to sustain a serious injury looks like it’s lit a fire under TB and he made the most of his extended run last night. While he missed his 2 three point FGAs (a theme shared by basically the whole squad) he was active on defense and aggressive in the paint even when he was going up against Gobert. His aggression and attack-mode earned him multiple trips to the stripe which helped us keep pace early in the game. Jones is probably the better shot blocker in terms of racking up the stat itself but Bryant is his equal on defense because of his superior nimbleness and mobility. I’m sure we’ll get another look at Jones as starter and perhaps he’ll come back with something better. If the choice were up to me and I had to make it today, Bryant would get the nod.
    2. Lakers offensive rebounding was great! Unfortunately it was a byproduct of a slew of missed shots in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Threes or twos, didn’t matter, Laker youngins missed a grip of shots of all shapes and sizes. Again, is this a three alarm bell for the season? Not really, but it does spotlight an issue we all had going in to this campaign which is the new Lakers are not known for their scoring penchant.
    3. Lonnie Walker IV’s debut. LW4 got some solid minutes in starting hot and cooling off. Hit hist first three and went on to miss the next 6, I believe, and didn’t look to aggressive attacking the basket. Coming back from lower body injuries is always a process though so really it was just nice to see him get up and down.
    4. Turnover leads to turnovers. This is basically the second straight season the Lakers have over-hauled the roster. It’s also the third in which key members of a banner winning team were let go without much reason or rhyme. It shows in a stat like turnovers. If it takes a few weeks to months for guys to get truly familiar with one another, and you’re not a consummate pro, the chemistry side of the ball can be a long time coming. The Lakers are averaging a grip of turnovers to start which isn’t great because turnovers were a key part in our general undoing last season. Can’t blame LeBron or Russ, either, they didn’t play. I can handle turnovers in preseason but they need to start coming down into the 110-13ish/game range. Which is a little above average. 12ish is elite and I just don’t expect that from guys who take risky passes in both James and Westbrook.
    5. AD’s injury. Has to get mentioned even though coach Ham went out of his way to try and make it a non-issue. He should take a Popovichian route and deflect with one/two word answers. In reality this kind of injury is common but Lakers fans have AD injury PTSD in a big way so any minor injury is certain to be semi-overblown amongst the fan base. Goal is to get everyone through preseason healthy and ready. That ain’t changed.

    Hoping to see more starters from here on out. Would like to win at least one game, not because it’ll have any bearing on the standings but because of the spiritual significance. The fans need a W to calm their hyperbole down a bit. Still, just coming out of preseason healthy will be good enough for me. Just would be nice if there was a shred of momentum to the start of the season.

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    5 Things: Step by Step

    While not the outcome Laker fans are ready for (a win) the team showed a lot more of what it can do last night against a top-rated opponent.  Yes, Phoenix is in a state of semi-upheaval (Sarver Gate, Crowder Gate, Ayton Grumpy) but they still looked solid for the half they played the key players in.  That would be the first half.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnGBJAnYA9E
    1. Lakers go small. The starting lineup of Reaves, Beverley, Westbrook, James and Gabriel was fine. Little small for my tastes but that’s how one rolls when AD has back issues but more on that on down the line. Reaves must have wanted to prove me wrong after the last 5er downplayed his playmaking skills. True Grit (my personal moniker for him) racked up 9 dimes to three turnovers which is what’s called setting the table proper. Reaves didn’t force his offense and was content setting up his guys all night long. Having Beverley play alongside him helps stabilize things. I like how Pat just makes the play in front of him. Open shot, take it. Guy open somewhere and you have a hand in your face, move the ball. Communicate on D, get results. If AD was the 5 in this lineup I could see it being our closing 5. Still prefer a more traditional look with either Jones or Bryant to start but if this is how coach rolls to start the season I won’t be mad.
    2. Starters shot the three ball well, bench notsomuch. Except for Nunn the bench struggled with it’s three point scoring all night long. Generally the bench has just struggled to score. Rob filled out the Laker bench this season with rangy guys who can kind of slash to the rim and Ham seems to have not unlocked who should be slashing and who should be shooting. Some of these issues won’t be as magnified when the minute distribution normalizes but the bench is already looming as one of the bigger issues.
    3. That LeBron is OK at basketball. One game removed from going O-fer LeBron looked like LeBron. Who knows how he’ll stand up to the 82 game grind but his tune up looks pretty solid. He’s not the two-way force he was in the past but if we can get a defensive lineup around him I like our shot against a lot of teams. Elite teams are going to be a handful…but they are for everyone. That’s why they’re elite.
    4. Kendrick Nunn lighting it up. Loved Nunn off the bench in the microwave role. In my opinion, at this early stage, it’s the best use of his skillset and he can be the first option in a lot of the lineups when James or Davis are out. Feels like he can be close to a point-a-minute guy which serves us well off the bench. Bringing Nunn off the bench allows Reaves to be the glue guy (which he got props from The King himself on post game) and possibly start Beverley to help on D. Not sure I want to bail on Jones or Bryant starting yet but…
    5. Neither Jones or Bryant is grabbing that torch and running with it. Both players came into camp talking about seizing the moment and such. Still waiting on that one. I’m sure Damien worked on his three point shot over the summer but it’s not falling yet. I really think he’s the better off the bench center of the two mainly because that unit, in theory, will run more of the system and less of the “give the ball to a superstar and clear out” offense. Knowing your number is called on a specific play or what you’re supposed to be doing on a given set could be the key to best utilizing Jones and his athletic skillset. In the end, I’d rather station the kid closer to the hoop for rebounds and put backs, he’s shown to be able to excel in that role, no need to reinvent the wheel if it ain’t rolling smoothly. Bryant can function as a release valve for cut off dribble drives or broken plays. He’s quick enough of foot to get back under the hoop from the corner three spot if it looks like a shot is going up from someone else and his shot is just more polished and reliable.

    All in all, an improvement. Still would like to see more execution and poise from all of our bench guys, especially guys who are unlikely to make the team. You want a shot somewhere else? No better place to get some shine on your game than here. Go get it and bring it home. Go Lakers.

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    • One thing to keep in mind Jamie of that 2nd unit besides the centers only Nunn and Toscanini Anderson are rotation players. Everyone is either g league or camp fodder.

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    5 Things: "Raggedy" -mongoslade

    Well, that didn’t make things any better. Lakers came out OK in the first half (with what looked like actual in-game rotations, for the most part) and then put the kids in and watched them get blown out. It’s getting hard for some Laker fans to keep their emotions out of the process of early evaluations for a lot of reasons. Last season’s debacle, no Russ trade, and not really an inspiring summer that makes one feel it’s close to turning around. Not surprisingly the good people who paid money to see this left grumpy and let the team know it.

    1. The Trio looked OK. AD looked solid, Russ looked like Russ and LeBron looked like a guy in his 20th NBA season taking his time getting his legs going. Nothing to report here, preseason vibes all around. I will say that when the young guys are getting blown out and the “team leaders” are hooting it up on the bench it does set a tone.
    2. The center question. I came away hoping to see Bryant as the starting center, just think he’ll open up the floor more. DJ is serviceable but I just trust Bryant’s shot more at this point. If we want to develop Jones into a stretch three, fine, but let’s do it off the bench in what should be a more orchestrated play calling environment when James and Davis are off the floor. No need for him to learn next to LeBron and he’s a better dunker which will open up the screen and roll game for Schroder.
    3. Nunn might also be better coming off the bench. Mainly because we need a bonafide scorer when James and AD sit. Swap him and Reaves or Beverley and I think the starting five will be fine. Taking Reaves off the bench unit and into the starting five shouldn’t be an issue, he played with everyone last season and will help that unit gel quicker. Nunn and Reaves shouldn’t really be tasked with running the offense, Nunn might get there but let the sophomore get into a solid role mindset and do well before adding to his workload. Both had way too many TOs last night for their role on the team.
    4. Heart was an issue last season, looks like it could be again. Everyone and their keyboard railed on coach Vogel for losing the team since they didn’t play with enough heart or passion. Fast forward to the new coach, new team, new season and…same as it ever was. This part of the game isn’t learned, you bring it from within. You can’t coach passion into guys, they either want to dominate or they want to play. Looks like we have more players than dominators, albeit in a small sample size. Mainly this looked like a bunch of guys who have played a weekend’s worth of pick up hoops in San Diego and gone through some sets the coach wants to run. Hoping for more cohesion as time goes on. Leery of the issue of heart being something of an internal/cultural issue, though.
    5. Young guys with something to prove showed they might not really be ready. Scrubs on scrubs and ours got wasted for 24 minutes. Out played, out hustled, out everything’d. Looked way too much like last season, hence the booing. If you’re here, you’re under 27, and on a minimum deal this is sort of your last, best shot to re-write your narrative. Carpe diem, young bloods, carpe diem.

    Still, it was the first game and the guys who will be playing more looked OK. Not going to read all that much into this other than noting that utterly rebuilding the team every summer just isn’t the way to build a contender. This is a square 1 team, no need to think of this squad as the “semi-recent champs” but rather the “we have a couple really, really good guys who were part of a never-to-be-replicated banner and guys who couldn’t get a better deal” Lakers. Time will tell what they’re made of but the first glimpse was pretty underwhelming.

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    5 Things: Preseason

    We should all go back and look at what we posted and wrote about preseason last summer. What many considered to be a non-factor, essentially an obstacle to the regular season and the forthcoming romp through the regular season en route to the playoffs, turned out to be a harbinger of doom. The Lakers loafed through preseason and showed everyone they weren’t done. Loafing, that is. They proceeded to loaf their way through the regular season and right out of the playoff and subsequently playin picture altogether. The casualties of that loafing about were basically relegated to one man: Frank Vogel. The coach has been the biggest change from last year to this. Out is coach Vogel, in is coach Ham. The fringes of the roster changed as well. Other than that, not all that much changed for the Lakers which means the biggest thing that has to change for success to be enabled is the attitude of the players themselves.

    1. Respect what preseason is for. A good or bad preseason doesn’t guarantee a good season nor does it doom a team to a bad one. But it does have it’s place in a complete NBA season and it is an important one. It’s where the foundation of what the team can accomplish is laid down. It’s where habits, good and bad are formed. It’s where somebody hoping to make the team can get a shot to show what they can do with an expanded role or next to elite players. It’s where a guy who worked on a deficiency all summer can test it out in a NBA-level environment, not just in the gym. For vets it’s a tune up, especially for a vet like LeBron whom there are no more questions about is he or is he not prepared. He is. I don’t need to see the Lakers win out during preseason or play the Trio big minutes but I do want to see it used properly, unlike last season.
    2. Move on from the summer. This one applies to, well, all of us. The team, the fans, and especially the media. Everyone was so invested in what a Russell Westbrook could look like they never imagined, or seemingly planned for, a reality where Westbrook was still a Laker today. He is and likely will be until closer to February and possibly the entire season. Since we have his Bird Rights it shouldn’t be inconceivable he re-ups with us, all things considered. Whatever happens in that scenario it’s well past time we all just moved on. If a trade happens we’ll see who it’s for and recalibrate but I’m not giving anymore “OMG WHAT ABOUT THIS TRADE?!?!” articles or posts the time of day from here on out. Not until January 2023. For all intents and purposes, this is the Laker team and I’m rolling and rooting from them. Like I do.
    3. Stay healthy. The absolute #1 goal of any preseason in all sport is for the team to get through it as healthy and intact as possible. This then reapplies to the regular season and once again for the playoffs. Rinse, wash repeat, as they say. For the Lakers this has a double-edge to it, though. We need to see Russ, AD and LeBron get reps with the new guys. They need it, the new guys need it, and it was one of the biggest aspects of last preseason that doomed the regular season so completely. We need to find that balance and get everyone some time on the floor together. Mini camp in San Diego ain’t enough.
    4. Buy in to the new coach. Everyone is saying all the right things. It’s what this time of year is for: paying lip service to all the great moves, the new things the coach wants and so on. In fact, we heard the exact same words coming out of people’s mouths this time last season, too. We need more than lip service and glad handing. We need buy in and it needs to show itself on the floor. Saying and doing are vastly different and nothing proved that more than the Lakers 2021-22 NBA regular season. It wasn’t until a few vets got real in post game comments after it was much too late to do anything about it that you heard that if the other team just played harder they would beat the Lakers. Unacceptable and inexcusable. Coach Vogel was a patsy, a fall guy if you will, for an entire organization’s failures from the owner to the last player on the bench. That cannot happen again.
    5. Have fun. Given the somber summer we just went through, the drudgery that was last season, and the fact that Father Time is undefeated it would be easy to mope into the season. Don’t fall prey to that trap, this is sport, it’s a game, the players are all pretty good at playing it they just need to make it work as a cohesive unit. Go out there and have fun, smile, nothing erases bad memories like good new ones so let that be the thing that guides you into the regular season from here on out. That’s another one that goes for everyone, fans and team alike. No NBA roster is perfect, stop worrying about making the perfect trade, listen to the vets and coaches and just go hoop man!

      We’ll learn a few things about this Laker team tonight and more as preseason moves on. Hoping for a lot of good things tonight but mostly just to see how competitive we can be and for everyone to get through healthy. Go Lakers.

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    • Great fiver, Jamie. Time to start rooting for this team as it is, including Russ. Hoping Ham is for real. We’ve always said this was mainly about a healthy Bron and AD. Well, we have that and hopefully a dynamic young coach to keep the team together and start lrearning to win. Go, Lakers!

      • No offense Tom but I do have a hard time buying into the idea that you’re rooting for Russ and this team to succeed. That’s based on everything you’ve said and written for awhile now, not what I know your unconditional love of the team is.

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    Dude just inoed a 2 year wxtension w/raise. Always nice to see ez-Lakers get paid.

    Congrats to Larry Nance Jr.

    Dude just inoed a 2 year wxtension w/raise. Always nice to see ez-Lakers get paid.

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    5 Things: Come Together

    Training camp is here and with it come all the regular platitudes and exultations that come with not having played a game that means something. If you tuned into Lakers/NBA Media Day 2022 you got to hear the infamous “we’re going to be a defense-first team” or some such repeated ad nauseum. Of course Rob will be diligently working the phones looking for that perfect Russell Westbrook trade, you can definitely believe him when he says that. Darvin Ham is large and in charge, for the most part, and for the time being. We’ll see what comes of the situation after 10 or so games. Still, if you’re a die-hard Lakers fan like myself, media day meant one thing: we got through summer! No, there was not a Westbrook trade that reinvigorated the fan base. There was a THT trade which brought in Patrick Beverley which resulted in this quote from Pat regarding how he and Russ found common ground. It is absolute gold: “We went on this boat ride, you feel me? It was just us two. It was real intimate,” Beverley said. “It was 2,000 candles, you feel me? He landed in a helicopter. I came in one of my underwater vessels. We talked three hours over wine. He had a two-Michelin-star chef come pull up, cook some steaks. I had my chef pull up and make the desserts. And that’s how we got to where we are now.” Classic.

    1. Sooooo that Westbrook guy is still here. Implausibly, but not impossibly, Westbrook is still a Laker. For now. I believe Rob when he says he’s trying to improve the roster. Just that’s happening completely on his terms which means no deals past next summer and if it’s for both picks it has to be All Star level talent coming back. That means Russ is here until the calendar turns over to 2023, in my opinion. Now…”will he get dealt by the trading deadline?” is the next big question on that front. I’m not so sure. Some things have to fall into place for me to buy into that beyond giving it a cursory 50/50 chance of going down. There is the compelling idea of re-tooling the roster with cap space and draft picks between draft day and the opening week of free agency. I won’t go into all of the ins and outs of that here because, well, this is about training camp and the guys on the roster as I type this now. In terms of Westbrook’s role, which is the new hot topic du jour, you can forget about him coming off the bench or being sent home. It. Will. Not. Happen. Not for 20 actual games or more. The Lakers have long prided themselves of being the elephant’s graveyard of NBA superstars. Russell Westbrook, for all his flaws, is still a superstar talent…in the eyes of the Laker front office. They will treat him as such; yes I know, coach Ham said everything would be determined by competition and what works best but that’s as truthful as the Rockets talking about having a defense-first identity. It’s the kind of thing that simply must be said on media day because, you know, that’s basically what media day is for. Russell will start, he may even finish games and that will be the current Laker modus operandi because it is the historical Lakers modus operandi. Russell will take minutes away from guys like Reaves, Nunn and even Swider because that is how the Lakers treat superstars aging out of the league. Gird your loins and prepare your soul, for that is what will be happening barring an O-fer start reaching Mike Brown levels. Again.
    2. The new coaching staff. I think everyone but Phil Handy is gone from the Vogel era. Sheed did not make it onto an NBA bench preferring his current gig or maybe not wanting to taint himself with this hot mess. Regardless it’s basically a whole new crew coaching the Lakers. Sounds like they started things off in the film room laying down expectations and ground rules and all without showing any clips of the Bucks kicking booty. Smart on that one, I say, because it shows some respect for the current crop of Lakers and their ability to get on the same page and show up to work together. They know what Giannis can do, they’ve all experienced it first-hand, or will in the case of the rookies. Other than that we’re just hearing what every coach says before the games matter. This is the calm before the storm and I’m sure we’ll get more candid comments from coach Ham after some wins and losses. All in all, for where we’re at in the season the coaching staff is doing great!
    3. Those that remain. I’m talking Nunn, Reaves, and Gabriel. The guys not named Russell Westbrook, LeBron James, or Anthony Davis. Hearing that Nunn played five on five was awesome. It really was, it gave me a lot of hope I didn’t expect when I heard it because it does give Ham an option beyond the 34, going on 35 year old Beverley, Schroder (who is basically Westbrook lite) and throwing Reaves in at PG just because. As I said above I expect at least 1/4 of the season to go by before a move like that is made. Still, having the option if Nunn can play and play well, will put the right kind of pressure on the situation to make it more possible should the need arise. Reaves will be looking to build off a decent opening salvo to his career. Gabriel will likely struggle to make the team unless he can show some solid worth backing up the 4 spot, maybe some light 5 duty. I feel like we need guys who can shoot and it’s not like Wenyen is a real difference maker on D.
    4. The new guys. Lot of new dudes, whole lot. From Patrick Beverley to Dwayne Bacon there are, once again, more new Lakers than old. While this is nto the ideal way to build championship chemistry on the roster this overhaul absolutely had to happen. Gone are Kent Bazemore, Wayne Ellington, Trevor Ariza and the walking/talking tree known as DeAndre Jordan (and others). Out with the old and in with the new takes on a whole different meaning when you look at the roster from last season vs. this season’s roster. We got younger, more athletic but also less skilled and still with a lack of outside scoring expertise. More questions than expectations with this new crop of Lakers. Can Lonnie Walker IV take a step? Can Swider shoot well enough his lack of defense allows him to carve out a role on a team with banner hopes? Will Max Christie play much at all? That Dennis Schroder guy will be back at some point, how will he be used, if much at all? Early preseason games will likely feature a lot of these guys so hoping from some form of clarity at that time.
    5. Anthony Davis and LeBron. All of the above matters but those two are where it’s at. I’ve seen a lot of people expressing a myriad of opinions about how much they want to see AD play this season: 50 games, 60 games, all the games. For me, if he plays in 70 games and we manage him so that he has gas in the tank for the playoffs I’ll be to the moon. Same goes for LeBron except I could see him edging lower, closer to 60-65 games. Now, how does that affect our playoff hopes is an entirely different equation. No good saving a man for a party he won’t be attending. The Lakers need to reverse the bad pattern they established very early last season: don’t lose to bad teams. Multiple times you heard a post game session with one Laker or another bemoaning how the other team just had to play harder. That’s not a culture allowed only by Frank Vogel, who had clearly lost the team by December, that’s also on your two best players and I throw Russ in on that one, too. You’re being paid millions of dollars to show up to play a game, you can do more than just lead by example. Get in guys’ faces for blowing rotations, get on Russ for missing layups, get on LeBron and AD for lazy length of the court plays that are nigh impossible to make and so on. Nothing of worth is given in life, it must be earned, it must be taken and that won’t come easy.

    So it begins. My starting five prediction: Bryant, AD, LBJ, Reaves, Russ. Second unit will be Jones, JTA, PatBev, Nunn and Schroder. Closing line up will be Davis, James, Russ and our best two guys, whomever that may be. That’s for at least the first 20 games or so. Barring injuries and without having seen anyone play. Coach Ham has his work cut out for him but if we have health on our side it’ll already have a better look than last season’s team did. Go Lakers.

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    Not sure what that’s about other than him wanting out of the hot mess that will likely be Phoenix this season. Brooklyn could offer something based on Seth or Patty, wouldn’t be surprised to see him end up in Miami. I can also see Atlanta come with
    something based around some of their expiring deals and maybe a decent pick.

    Crowder wants out

    Not sure what that’s about other than him wanting out of the hot mess that will likely be Phoenix this season. Brooklyn could offer something based on Seth or Patty, wouldn’t be surprised to see him end up in Miami. I can also see Atlanta come with
    something based around some of their expiring deals and maybe a decent pick.

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    • Lakers traded THT too early, that might have worked for Talen and the 2027 and been better across the board for the roster. C’est la vie.

      • Still, hard to see Suns trading him in-conference even for a player with upside, albeit limited upside. I expect he’ll go East.

      • Nah dude is a mid-tier guy on an expiring contract for a team about to be sold. PHX will also slink back to mediocrity as CP3 continues his decline and ultimate retirement. They’re in no hurry to extend a dude who makes little difference in the w/l column, and he want what’ll likely be one of his last chances for a payday.

      • JS-“C’est la vie, say the old folks you never can tell.” CB

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    Any chance the Bulls jump at Westbrook and FRP for Ball and DeRozan? I don’t think so but the Lakers need to either get creative or shut the rumor mill down publicly. Nobody will believe them if they say “we’re keeping Russ the whole season!” and, while that may be a possibility, it shouldn’t be the goal to let Russ expire as it does limit trades we can make.

    However it does open up the door for S&Ts next summer. FRP and a TPE aren’t the worst things you can get for a player who is already out the door. Problem will become the hard cap but, since we don’t have anyone’s Bird Rights to worry about and Jeannie hates over-spending it’s not the end of the world.

    Still a lot of ways this can go down as a positive for the Lakers. The first 20 games still might pretty much doom the season, though. That’s a brutal stretch.

    With Ball out for extended time...

    Any chance the Bulls jump at Westbrook and FRP for Ball and DeRozan? I don’t think so but the Lakers need to either get creative or shut the rumor mill down publicly. Nobody will believe them if they say “we’re keeping Russ the whole season!” and, while that may be a possibility, it shouldn’t be the goal to let Russ expire as it does limit trades we can make.

    However it does open up the door for S&Ts next summer. FRP and a TPE aren’t the worst things you can get for a player who is already out the door. Problem will become the hard cap but, since we don’t have anyone’s Bird Rights to worry about and Jeannie hates over-spending it’s not the end of the world.

    Still a lot of ways this can go down as a positive for the Lakers. The first 20 games still might pretty much doom the season, though. That’s a brutal stretch.

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    • What you need to understand is the Lakers can NOT keep Russ all year as that would mean his $47 million contract would expire and the Lakers would only have LeBron and AD to match salaries since everybody else would be free agents. He has to be traded at the deadline for contracts that can be aggregated in a trade along with draft picks, Lakers have to decide to go for free agents or trade targets by deadline. Then collect expiring or Lt deals. Can’t do both.

      • Yes, but by the same token, nobody’s taking contracts just because you have them as evidenced by the lack of absolutely anything happening.

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    5 Things: So This It?

    I’m having a really hard job connecting the dots on this roster. Last season was difficult, too, especially every move made after we traded for Russ (which I was originally in favor of). This? This is getting absurd. Like…are we setting LeBron up to win the MVP because he’ll have dragged this atrocious assemblage of NBA talent to a playin slot? I don’t get it; still, in terms of the season opening roster it looks like this is it.

    1. The choice not to trade Russell Westbrook for either next summer cap space reasons or future draft pick reasons. I have long been harping on Rob for treating first round draft picks like a dude selling old stereos and tires out the back of his van. Every summer he’s been on the job he’s traded at least one. I get it: it’s unlikely we’ll draft the next Laker superstar with LeBron and AD on the team. However, he has often done this while bidding against nobody else (AD and Schroder trades) or to overpay on bringing in talent (Westbrook trade bringing him here). Rob as an agent had a job to maximize the investment a team would commit to his clients. He doesn’t seem to understand that he needs to have a foot in the future as well as in the now as a GM. Win now doesn’t entail simply bailing on the future. Regardless, like the last time we traded for Russ, it’s the moves made after the fact that are more perplexing than choosing to trade for, or in this case move forward with, the mercurial PG. Like last season’s roster we made early moves for easily attainable players, filled the roster out with more players at mismatched positions, and generally didn’t follow the LeBron Rules while filling out the roster.
    2. If keeping Russ on the roster was a possibility why did we move so fast on Lonnie Walker IV? I think of Lonnie Walker as a cheaper, guaranteed for one season instead of possibly two, version of THT. Not known for his defense or shooting, scores by getting to the rim while not really generating foul shots and mostly a project player. This, to me, has Klutch all over it. That’s too bad and basically shits in the face of anyone saying the Lakers are in ‘win now’ mode. If we used the sole spending tool available to us to appease a sports agency…on a player as limited and one-dimensional as Walker is…Rob should be fired. Frankly, Dennis is more worthy of that MLE than LW4. If keeping Russ was always in the mix I really don’t get this one.
    3. Overloading the PG position. One has to hope these signings came with at least the acquiescence of Coach Ham. We’re carrying 4 point guards to start the season none of whom are knockdown shooters. In fact all of them are drive and kick PGs by rep. Again, why go so much against the grain with a LeBron led team? Frankly I wish we had given Isiaih Thomas a shot, at least that dude can shoot and us not much worse on D. The sole reason I can see carrying this many guards is to make sure at least two are healthy. Beverly has missed significant time due to injury the past two seasons and Nunn has yet to play a meaningful game in a Laker uni.
    4. Going all in on next summer. I can see both wisdom and extreme risk in pursuing this line of strategy. We’re bidding against nobody this summer looking to pull from a limited pool of teams to move Russ to. This isn’t a good negotiating environment and that was before the Gobert trade inflated expectations beyond reality. There are better players than what’s available that could be targeted next summer. Wiggins, D’Angelo (since the Lakers seem big on reunions) and, yes, Kyrie Irving could all be on a list of players one could consider to be better than the current crop available in a trade now. We could also whiff on all of them, we’ll only have $35ish mil in money we can offer next summer, well short of a max salary offer. Does Wiggins want to move on from a roster already built to win now? For less than the max? To still be in LeBron’s sizable shadow for at least one, possibly two, seasons? Is Kyrie worth that much, honestly? The dude wants to play 55/games a season at his whim. D-Russ isn’t really a needle mover. I could see a combo of Turner and Russ but I’d there enough money to get both? Lotta risk on that path but it does keep assets we can use on down the line in-house.”

    All in all this has been about as disappointing of a follow up to last season as can be imagined. Far from a master class I feel like Rob has flunked out at every turn. Either you’re all-in on trading Russ or you’re not. Either build around LeBron or accept the ridicule and risk of assembling a junk pile of a team. If this is a plan it’s an awful one, too to bottom, inside and out. I had though a Russ trade would be difficult due to his contract size and the amount of the requisite buyout. I didn’t imagine the Lakers would both double-down on bad fits around Russ and LeBronpr impose artificial barriers to getting deals done. I thought Rob deserved to be fired after assembling last season’s team. If he’s not fired after this I just might take a break from this crappy version of NBA reality TV until substantial change happens. I’ve done it with the Angels team I grew up watching and I have no problem cancelling the outlandish amount of money I pay/month in cable bills to watch a clown team play junk basketball. This has become a joke, at least on paper. It looks more like a silly reality TV show than an NBA team. All we need to do is bring back Nick Young. I’ll tune in…for now, but the franchise is walking a line it never even needed to get close to with bad choice after bad choice.

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    • This becoming less about “am I a fan of the team” which I am and will be forever. It’s now entered “is this worth my personal financial commitment to have access to every game?” Territory. I enjoy watching LeBron play. No doubt. LeBron ain’t Kobe. I don’t feel anywhere near the same connection to The King than I did the Black Mamba. Shelling out a Benjamin a month loses its appeal when you think those running the team are more interested in their bottom line than in being competitive. I can forgive a bad decision or two in the course of free agency. But for cheapness to be the driving factor while expecting your fans to shell out top dollar just to support the brand is precisely where I draw the line. A sucker may be born every minute but that doesn’t mean I need to willfully join the club. If the Lakers are blowing and everyone is towing the company line again expect a fan revolt. Because the fans deserve better than poorly assembled teams and bad spending choices season after season.

    • Saw them years back. No pic though. : (

    • Thanks, Jamie, for a very reasonable and thoughtful piece. I feel your pain, man, but you are not alone on this. I am going through the same emotions right now. You got it right.

    • Nobody’s giving up their cable subscription as long as LeBron & AD are still on the floor. I’m as frustrated as anyone but we’ve been through worse in very recent history. Like when we were actively tanking for draft picks. That was far more painful and insulting. We make the playoffs last season if not for all the injuries.

      • I’m just having a hard time seeing what the current intelligence is behind the process. Feels as much about taking care of Klutch guys as it does fielding a competitive team. I’m certainly not canceling anything anytime soon. But, being an Angel fan, I can see the signs of “we got some talent, c’mon down to the ballpark..but we don’t mind losing an neither should you!” showing now. Willfully tanking was bad but I always felt like it came from a well-intentioned place. Granted Jim was an even worse evaluator of talent than Rob is. I always rooted for Mitch but I think his heart wasn’t in it anymore by the end. Not sure it’s there now seeing some of the deals he’s making. Anyhow, since we won everything feels like brand management, keeping Klutch happy and making sure LeBron is wearing a Laker jersey when he breaks this or that record. It’s not compelling.

        • At least Artie has the decency to sell the team; Dodgers made a huge turnaround as soon as they got Frank McCourt up outta there. But Jeanie ain’t going anywhere.

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    Honestly I don’t know what this means. Another spotty outside shooter who was only OK at ball distribution. It’s like we took Frank’s team away from him, fired him, and now we’re bringing it back again. I suppose it could portend a Russ trade but we’ll have to waive someone to do it. If it’s the roster being done I would have preferred bringing back Melo.

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    Honestly I don’t know what this means. Another spotty outside shooter who was only OK at ball distribution. It’s like we took Frank’s team away from him, fired him, and now we’re bringing it back again. I suppose it could portend a Russ trade but we’ll have to waive someone to do it. If it’s the roster being done I would have preferred bringing back Melo.

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    • Honestly, this is kind of pissing me off. Could have gotten a TPE for the guy but now we’re doubling down after we threw away a draft pick to get him from OKC. It’s asinine and silly.

      • This doesn’t make sense to me even if there is a Westbrook trade in the works. We already have a log jam at guard. Could there be a trade that involves Nunn or even Beverley? Who knows what Robb’s doing.

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    Jeannie is helping bring Women Of Wrestling!!! Now I better understand why we traded for Patrick.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/la-lakers-jeanie-buss-female-wrestling-franchise-they-deserve-spotlight

    WOW!!!

    Jeannie is helping bring Women Of Wrestling!!! Now I better understand why we traded for Patrick.

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/sports/la-lakers-jeanie-buss-female-wrestling-franchise-they-deserve-spotlight

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    “Russell Westbrook is not a buyout guy,” she said during a recent podcast appearance. “You have to agree to a buyout, and that’s not how he is wired. This is a guy who is very proud, and if you accept a buyout once in your career, you’re seen differently throughout the rest of your career.”

    Shelburne continued to explain why Westbrook wouldn’t accept a buyout.

    “Russ is Russ because of his swagger and the way he bleeds with it, the way he plays with it,” she said. “You can’t retreat from that. You can’t let go of that because that’s what made Russ, Russ — it’s his swagger. If he accepts that, then he’s no longer Russell Westbrook.”

    If she’s right, and it’s hard to disagree with her logic, that all but sinks just about any Westbrook trade now and likely the whole season. It would mean team X WANTS Russ on the team, not just for his cap clearing expiring deal but to show up for the remainder of the season and play. Someone show me that list, lol.

    If Ramona is right...

    “Russell Westbrook is not a buyout guy,” she said during a recent podcast appearance. “You have to agree to a buyout, and that’s not how he is wired. This is a guy who is very proud, and if you accept a buyout once in your career, you’re seen differently throughout the rest of your career.”

    Shelburne continued to explain why Westbrook wouldn’t accept a buyout.

    “Russ is Russ because of his swagger and the way he bleeds with it, the way he plays with it,” she said. “You can’t retreat from that. You can’t let go of that because that’s what made Russ, Russ — it’s his swagger. If he accepts that, then he’s no longer Russell Westbrook.”

    If she’s right, and it’s hard to disagree with her logic, that all but sinks just about any Westbrook trade now and likely the whole season. It would mean team X WANTS Russ on the team, not just for his cap clearing expiring deal but to show up for the remainder of the season and play. Someone show me that list, lol.

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    • Sounds like we should all get used to this: James, Westbrook, Davis, Beverley, Lonnie Walker IV, Kendrick Nunn, Damian Jones, Wenyen Gabriel, Thomas Bryant, Troy Brown Jr., Juan Toscano-Anderson, Austin Reaves, Max Christie, Jay Huff, Fabian White Jr. and Javante McCoy.

      Cole Swider and Scotty Pippen Jr. are on two-way contracts

      • If they don’t trade Russ, they have no chips to make moves and this roster could go down in flames quickly. No shooting or forwards with size to back uo James and Davis. And an inexperienced center coming off a major injury.

    • Been saying this since Russ coming here became a possibility; hell, since Lebron became a possibility…you can’t bring in dudes on this level expecting them to be anything other than what’s made them into dudes on this level. Lebron was never gonna mentor a buncha young dudes…he was gonna get them da fuqq up outta here for some dudes he could win with right now. Aint his job to worry about the future. Russ wasn’t gonna come here and be anything except RUSS. Full on, hair on fire, 100 mph. Good or Bad. And Frankie for damn sure wasn’t gonna be the coach who had the gravitas to change him. D.Ham seems to think he can do it but that’s probably a mistake as well. If you’re keeping him then you gotta accept him doing RUSS things and go from there. If he stays then it’ll luckily only be a one year experiment.

      I could actually see him retiring at the end of this deal instead of changing. Just a different cat and that’s what made him a HOFer.

      • Yup. Spot on regarding the way these dudes are wired. Phil Jackson could maybe kinda sorta not really get that level of talent to buy in. None of these coaches are Phil. Rob ain’t Jerry West. And so on.

        • 100%. I’m also not sure that LBJ is the same type of leader as MJ & Kobe from a personality standpoint. I think he’s a lil bit more passive/aggressive and not so much of a get in your face & cuss you out type of dude. Uses social media & traditional media too much to get his message across.

          • There is something to that, Mongo. Getting in guys faces in person is not part if his persona. That’s one reason why I like the Beverley trade. This team needs a player as well as a coach who will keep everybody accountable.

    • Great conversation here, fellas. I agree with everyone’s opinion.

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    Ainge wants a first rounder each for Clarkson, Bojan, and Malik. Dude is off his rocker. You fleeced Minny, got a solid young piece in Sexton. Be content w/multiple second rounders or highly protected 1st rounders for role-players. Hilarious. IMO Rob has been smart not to trash the future for role-players. This whole “any trade at all needs first round draft picks to happen” will kill the trade market. Look at OKC, for example, everyone holds them up as some shining star of rebuilding geniusness all while they are stuck in a rebuild with no clear path out. Shai won’t stay, either gets traded or walks in free agency. You can’t trade for star talent without young talent but also don’t draft your way into a banner. You augment your team through the draft, maybe groom an alpha alongside someone aging out of it (but when has that really ever worked?). NBA free agency, like California real estate, is broken right now. Lakers might be doing the exact right thing by not over-paying now and betting that the whole “destination franchise” makes us attractive to the best free agents.

    Facing Facts

    Ainge wants a first rounder each for Clarkson, Bojan, and Malik. Dude is off his rocker. You fleeced Minny, got a solid young piece in Sexton. Be content w/multiple second rounders or highly protected 1st rounders for role-players. Hilarious. IMO Rob has been smart not to trash the future for role-players. This whole “any trade at all needs first round draft picks to happen” will kill the trade market. Look at OKC, for example, everyone holds them up as some shining star of rebuilding geniusness all while they are stuck in a rebuild with no clear path out. Shai won’t stay, either gets traded or walks in free agency. You can’t trade for star talent without young talent but also don’t draft your way into a banner. You augment your team through the draft, maybe groom an alpha alongside someone aging out of it (but when has that really ever worked?). NBA free agency, like California real estate, is broken right now. Lakers might be doing the exact right thing by not over-paying now and betting that the whole “destination franchise” makes us attractive to the best free agents.

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    At this point it should come as no surprise that of all our “getting paid more than $30 million” players only Russell Westbrook showed up for Patrick Beverly’s introductory news conference. With a crisp high five and bro hug on camera the pair exchanged their first public display of camaraderie. Listen to Pat and he thinks it can work because they both shoot well from different sides of the floor. At any rate, the fact that Russ continued his summer long pattern of being the only max contract Laker to show up for team-related activities speaks volumes.

    To me that says “nothing imminent” and while LT will likely decry these and other moments this summer as smoke screens and posturing at some point either happens or it won’t. I’ve detailed, numerous times and in numerous ways, why I don’t think a trade for Russ is likely before Feb but today’s news conference all but sealed it for me. You have to imagine that Rob keeps Russ abreast of the general situation, that if the Lakers we’re going to change their stance from last February regarding sending out both picks they wouldn’t have waited this long. Russ and Pat exchanging ‘how ya doin?’ pleasantries is a pretty clear indicator neither of them expect anything to happen.

    Teams are filling out roster spots with the scrap heap players, some of whom we know well. Still a couple weeks left but I really don’t see a trade happening once camp starts. Barring an obvious gift from the basketball gods trade I don’t see anything happening until the deadline. With every actual
    Piece of news or quote from someone on the team that conclusion becomes borderline inevitable.

    Does that make me happy? I’m still working through that. Russ was bad last season, Rob’s GMing was arguably worse and we had about zero luck on the health front. Rob is still crapping it up as a GM, in my opinion. If keeping Russ was a remote possibility Rob needed to bring in better shooters and defensive specialists than LW4 for the MLE and should have drafted the best defender possible with the 2nd rounder we bought. Swapping THT for Pat Bev currently ranks as Rob’s best trade to date. That’s scary. To me, anyhow. So, while I just don’t see Rob sending out both picks for the deals on the table, I do see him making his first in-season trade by Feb. The only thing that can stop that is Russ playing well which I think all of us have a hard time seeing.

    Chums and pals?

    At this point it should come as no surprise that of all our “getting paid more than $30 million” players only Russell Westbrook showed up for Patrick Beverly’s introductory news conference. With a crisp high five and bro hug on camera the pair exchanged their first public display of camaraderie. Listen to Pat and he thinks it can work because they both shoot well from different sides of the floor. At any rate, the fact that Russ continued his summer long pattern of being the only max contract Laker to show up for team-related activities speaks volumes.

    To me that says “nothing imminent” and while LT will likely decry these and other moments this summer as smoke screens and posturing at some point either happens or it won’t. I’ve detailed, numerous times and in numerous ways, why I don’t think a trade for Russ is likely before Feb but today’s news conference all but sealed it for me. You have to imagine that Rob keeps Russ abreast of the general situation, that if the Lakers we’re going to change their stance from last February regarding sending out both picks they wouldn’t have waited this long. Russ and Pat exchanging ‘how ya doin?’ pleasantries is a pretty clear indicator neither of them expect anything to happen.

    Teams are filling out roster spots with the scrap heap players, some of whom we know well. Still a couple weeks left but I really don’t see a trade happening once camp starts. Barring an obvious gift from the basketball gods trade I don’t see anything happening until the deadline. With every actual
    Piece of news or quote from someone on the team that conclusion becomes borderline inevitable.

    Does that make me happy? I’m still working through that. Russ was bad last season, Rob’s GMing was arguably worse and we had about zero luck on the health front. Rob is still crapping it up as a GM, in my opinion. If keeping Russ was a remote possibility Rob needed to bring in better shooters and defensive specialists than LW4 for the MLE and should have drafted the best defender possible with the 2nd rounder we bought. Swapping THT for Pat Bev currently ranks as Rob’s best trade to date. That’s scary. To me, anyhow. So, while I just don’t see Rob sending out both picks for the deals on the table, I do see him making his first in-season trade by Feb. The only thing that can stop that is Russ playing well which I think all of us have a hard time seeing.

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    • I’ll give the Lakers front office strategy team and PR department credit for a great campaign to convince Jamie Sweet and other team’s general managers that Russell Westbrook will be on the roster opening day.

      Of course, none of the other teams’ GM’s believe that so it’s only Jamie hoping that no trade shows up on Twitter. I still believe this is all posturing and there is no intent by the Lakers to bring Russ back this season. They just want to take the high road when it comes to Russ at this point. But they definitely want to move on.

      What I still don’t understand is why the Lakers would want to wait to trade Russ midseason considering all the chaos that bringing him back could cause as well as the difficulty of integrating new key personnel at the halfway point of the season.

      You’re betting the start of the season on there being some magical deal at the deadline when you should be making the trade offseason and building and developing a winner that will be ready to make noise come the playoffs.

      In the end, this could be all about keeping one of the picks, which would be crazy and not something I think LeBron would have approved. This all has to be posturing. Otherwise, none of it makes sense and the Lakers are doomed.

      • Glass half full OF DOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!

      • Lol, not a “magical” trade. That’s your 4 team blockbuster down yonder. A sensible trade. I know that it’s hard to grasp, you’ve been posting fake Russ trades for 10 months straight, but I’m down to about 10-12% chance we get a deal done by camp.

      • i posted straight math on this, the Lakets can keep both picks at the deadline I’d wager. He’ll have about 12 mil left on his deal bu yhe deadline, when he signs for a vet min that means around 9 mil is the buyout price. We become the ine doing someone a favor and depending on how things shake out that team could be bot the three we’re relegated tondealing with now

    • I will only add that from a professional standpoint I think Russ has handled the situation well. However, it is all up to him to do well. He is generally known to have a slow start to the season before going full throttle in the latter part, but he doesn’t have that luxury this time, and any slow start or poor performance will only magnify the wrath of the media and fans alike.

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    To this day I am often still amazed we got anything of worth for Lonzo Ball. Dude just can’t stay healthy with that left knee. Out for an extended period of time, again.

    Bad news for Lonzo

    To this day I am often still amazed we got anything of worth for Lonzo Ball. Dude just can’t stay healthy with that left knee. Out for an extended period of time, again.

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