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After a brilliant offseason and undefeated preseason, the only questions facing the NBA defending champion Lakers now are how will Kyle Kuzma’s extension and Talen Horton-Tucker’s preseason affect the team’s rotations?
While neither is likely to be in the starting lineup when the Lakers kick off the season tomorrow night against their crosstown rival Clippers, Kuzma’s extension and THT’s breakout preseason could translate into more minutes. There’s no doubt the Lakers have doubled down on their belief Kyle Kuzma can be a big time contributor going forward and Talen Horton-Tucker has legitimate star potential and is ready to challenge for more playing time.
All of which further complicates the decisions facing Frank Vogel as he tries to figure out how to manage what appears to be an unusually deep and talented Lakers’ rotation with 11 players who deserve regular minutes. Fortunately, the saving grace for Vogel may be the NBA’s shortened and compressed regular season schedule and Lakers’ need to ease the load for 35-year old LeBron James and a team with little time off after winning.
One answer to Vogel’s dilemma may be to sit two or three players each game to reduce the rotation to a manageable eight or nine players and while load managing to keep the team fresh and healthy for the playoffs. This would allow the Lakers to play the lineups that best matchup against each opponent and guarantee all players always had enough minutes to develop good rhythm and strong rapport and chemistry with teammates.
Deploying shifting matchup rotations would also giee Vogel the opportunity to see which combinations of players worked best against potential playoff opponents to help narrow the Lakers’ rotations going into the postseason. Strategically, it’s a perfect fit for this season’s unique schedule featuring conference teams playing each other twice in a row to reduce travel. It also would prepare teams for possible rotation changes caused by Covid-19.
But let’s take a closer look on how Kyle Kuzma’s extension and Talen Horton-Tucker’s breakout preseason could affect the Lakers’ lineups and rotations and whose minutes and roles could be affected as a result:
It’s definitely a vote of confidence and encouraging news for Kyle Kuzma that Rob Pelinka not only did not pull the trigger on a trade involving him this offseason but also signed him to a new 3-year $40 million extension. Since rookie extensions include poison pill restrictions making it hard to match salaries if a team trades the player before the extension kicks in, Kuzma is likely going to be with the Lakers for the entire 2020–21 season.
Kuzma’s rookie extension is interesting because it’s the first one the Lakers have given a player they drafted since Andrew Bynum back in 2008 and the first extension for a player on this roster who was not a Klutch Sports client. While the extension should take a load off Kuzma’s shoulders and give him confidence, expectations will continue to exceed what he’s delivered in the past and the pressure will be on him to show he’s worthy of the contract.
The challenge for Kuzma the last two years has been finding a role on the Lakers that would pay him what he’s worth considering he wants to be a starter but right now he’s stuck behind LeBron James and Anthony Davis. Players in today’s NBA can play the positions they can defend and Kyle Kuzma has shown promising potential as an elite defender against bigger wing players like James Harden, Kawhi Leonard, and Devin Booker.
Going forward, it will be interesting to see if Frank Vogel gives Kyle Kuzma more opportunities to play the two as he did during the preseason. Right now, Kuzma’s main role will be to backup LeBron off the bench at the three. But I also think we’ll continue to see Kuz get minutes at the two, especially when the Lakers face wing scorers too big for Caruso and KCP to handle. Playing the two could ultimately be Kuzma’s path to becoming a starter.
Talen Horton-Tucker’s breakout preseason presents head coach Frank Vogel with the same challenge he faces with Kyle Kuzma: finding enough minutes for a player who could potentially become a star and a future Lakers’ starter. Since Talen will be a restricted free agent next summer, the Lakers need to learn how good he can be. Since they have his Early Bird Rights, they can only offer him the MLE though they can match any offer he might receive.
Like Kuzma, Horton-Tucker fills a role other players on the roster cannot fill. Should the Lakers start Schroder, Talen’s ability to get to the rim and make plays for others make him the team’s best option as backup point guard. That would leave Alex Caruso and Wes Matthews competing for the backup minutes at shooting guard role assuming KCP starts at the two, although Matthews is very capable of playing backup minutes at the three.
Horton-Tucker can also fill a valuable offensive and defensive roles as a backup at shooting guard and small forward because of his ability to get to the rim and defend bigger wing scorers with his length and physicality. Talen’s extensive skill set enables him to play three positions: point guard, shooting guard, and small forward. That versatility at both ends of the court could easily translate into more minutes for Horton-Tucker.
Finally, there’s no question Talen has star potential. His game is already leaps and bounds beyond what could be expected from the 20-year old second round draft pick and the Lakers clearly know and understand that. The Lakers coaching staff views Talen primarily as a point guard and will likely give him the backup minutes to prove that’s his position, which means Alex Caruso may need to compete for minutes at shooting guard.
No matter what Frank Vogel does, the simple truth is ther roster is too deep and there are two few minutes for the Lakers to use an 11-player rotation, which means the solution should be to utilize shifting matchup rotations. That gives everybody a chance to play, provides LeBron James and older players with load management, and deals with the vagaries of a shortened and compressed schedule and possible absences due to Covid-19.
Kuma’s extension and Horton-Tucker’s preseason have exacerbated Frank Vogel’s rotation challenges. Either he adopts some form of shifting matchup rotations or ends up limiting at least two good players to minor minutes. One of the hallmarks of last year’s championship team was how every player on the roster was willing to sacrifice for the good of the team but this year’s team is much deeper or more talented than last year’s team.
With Kuzma’s extension and THT’s preseason demanding more minutes, Frank Vogel and the Lakers need to seriously consider sitting two or three players each game so they can deploy an eight or nine man rotation.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
It’s definitely premature and disrespectful of proven veteran teammates but I’m going to say it anyway: 20-year old Talen Horton-Tucker is the future at point guard for the Lakers and could be the starter sometime this season.
In four preseason games, Talen averaged 20.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 3.0 assists, and 2.3 steals in 31.6 minutes per game, ranking 2nd in points, 2nd in rebounds, 4th in assists, 1st in steals, and 1st in plus/minus for the team. And these were not hollow stats posted in garbage time minutes as Talen was a major force in the Lakers’ undefeated preseason, highlighted by a 33 point, 10 rebound, 4 assist, and 4 steal performance against the Clippers.
Yes, it’s only been four preseason games but the improvement in Talen’s game at both ends of the court has been unprecedented for a second round draft pick. His newfound confidence and skill level are off the charts. The Lakers’ coaching staff and players say what everyone’s seen Horton-Tucker do in his brief debut in the playoffs and this preseason, he has been doing everyday in practice and scrimmages since last season in the bubble.
There are five reasons why Talen is the future starter at point guard for the Lakers: his elite ability to get to the rim and finish, run the pick-and-roll, make plays for others, create steals and turnovers, and shoot the three ball.
1. Ability to Get to the Rim and Finish
The first thing that jumps out at you about Talen Horton-Tucker is the ability of his powerful 234 pound body to absorb contact at the rim and use his freakish length and acrobatic athleticism to finish highlight reel layups. Blessed with a 7′ 1″ wingspan, hands almost as big as Kawhi Leonard, and the biggest body of any NBA player his height, the 6′ 4″ Horton-Taylor is a tireless juggernaut that relentlessly and fearlessly attacks the basket.
With elite physical skills and shifty moves, Talen has the potential to be one of the hardest players in the league to stop from getting to the basket. He’s an unstoppable attack dog with unique ability to get to the rim at will.
2. Ability to Run the Pick-and-Roll
One of the key skills that make Talen incredibly difficult to defend is his savvy ability on pick-and-rolls to use his handle, strength, and change of pace to put and keep his defender in jail as he navigates through the paint. While he’s not fast or quick, Horton-Tucker’s strong body, long arms, and big hands make him a nightmare matchup for most point guards and impossible to control in the lane where he’s a lethal threat to score or pass.
Talen’s gravity as a finisher and uncanny court vision let him to use pick-and-rolls to create opportunities for others in the paint or on the perimeter and his huge hands and long arms enable him to find them in traffic.
3. Ability to Make Plays for Others
Make no mistake, Talen Horton-Tucker is not going to be a pass-first point guard. His future is clearly as a shoot-first point guard whose threat as a big time scorer is going to demand other teams’ attention and best defenders. Unlike most young high powered scorers, Talen has great court vision and willingness to make the right play when a teammate is open, whether the result of him being in attack mode or a simple hockey pass to the corner.
Talen’s elite passing repertoire includes all the weapons a great playmaker needs, including pinpoint pocket passes in the pick-and-roll, drive-and-kick passes to wide open 3-point shooters, or lobs to bigs for dunks at the rim.
4. Ability to Create Steals and Turnovers
Defense has been how 20-year old Talen Horton-Tucker has earned minutes on the Lakers’ 10-deep championship roster. His weapons are a 6′ 4″ 234 lb body, 7′ 1″ wingspan, and ‘Klaw’ sized hands to create steals and turnovers. His elite arm length and hand size enable him to hound ball handlers and deflect passes, tip balls from dribblers, and rip the ball out of players’ hands like he did while defending Kawhi in preseason game against the Clippers.
Talen’s outlier physical metrics and defensive potential were what first brought him to the attention of NBA scouts. His team best 2.3 steals per game in preseason show how far he’s grown under the Lakers’ tutelage.
5. Ability to Shoot the Three Ball
The biggest surprise since his rookie year is Horton-Tucker’s improvement as 3-point shooter, hitting 2 of 5 (40%) in his 17 minutes in two playoff games and 7 of 13 in his 127 (53.8%) minutes in four preseason games. Talen’s improved 3-point shooting showed how hard he worked on his shot as he only made 49 out of 159 threes (30.8%) in his one year at Iowa State and 72 of 233 threes (30.9%) in his 38 game stint in the G-League last year.
If he can shoot the three well, there’s no limit to how far Talen can go. That he shot 90% from the line in preseason compared to 74% in the G-League and 62% at Iowa State gives hope his improved shooting may be legitimate.
Going from preseason sensation to regular season rotation player to starting point guard is a daunting challenge on any team much less on a deep and talented championship team but Talen has a chance to do it. The next step is taking over as the Lakers’ backup point guard and proving his preseason performance was not a fluke and the team can count on him to run the offense efficiently, rack up points, and defend at a high level
That Talen’s already knocking on the door is a luxury and miracle for a Lakers team already favored to repeat as champions. There are encouraging signs they may have already found their point guard of the future in THT.
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Man, talk about the rich getting richer. It’s unbelievable that the Lakers may have unearthed and managed to keep the best of the many great late first round and early second round picks they’ve made the last few years.
I’m so impressed that I can’t help hyping and going glass overflowing about Talen Horton-Tucker. This kid is going to be the real deal and could be the point guard of the future for the Lakers and a potential superstar to play with Anthony Davis once LeBron James hangs up his sneakers at 40 years old.
What’s so impressive about Talen besides the ridiculous fact that he just turned 20-years old is how promising he is in so many areas. He definitely can play the 1, 2, and 3 and defend the 2 and 3. Like we always discuss, his ability to shoot from deep is going to be a big key to how far and fast he is going to improve.
The he shot 54.7% from the field, 53.8% (7 of 13) from three, and 17 of 19 (89.5%) from the line is encouraging. I think that 17 of 19 from the line is really impressive and shows his three ball might be legitimate. He could be one of those 50/40/90 guys down the line. He’s going to be our point guard of the future.
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Good write up LT. I don’t know if he’ll be a fulltime PG but I share your enthusiasm regarding his potential. His ability to snake around defenders and use his long wing span to score is really impressive. I also love his demeanor. Very aggressive on the court and humble off it. A great combination.
Coach Vogel will have his work cut out for him trying to find PT for 11 guys.
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Thanks, Lee. With his tool set, he could play the 1, 2, or even 3. He’s probably a better defender but a little short at the 2 or 3. May not be fast or quick enough to guard some point guards. In many ways, a typical ‘What position is this guy?’ type of player, probably why he fell to the second round. But man, do I love his game.
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Way too early for any of the above. Has not had to perform in anything resembling crunch time, not even against Houston in then playoffs where he only got first half minutes. There’s a huge difference between seizing one’s opportunity and being assigned lofty titles. That’s how Magic broke Lonzo Ball in year one of his career and he may never be that guy. Really no need for anything like this at this point. Why is it so difficult for people to just be happy for a player and not shower them with unrealistic and un-needed praise and expectations? Never got that, still don’t get it, likely won’t ever get it. Let him earn this praise. I don’t giver out participation awards and that’s where THT is at right now.
Here are some facts:
-THT has played 98 minutes, including playoffs, of professional basketball that matters. 98 minutes and he’s our starting PG of the future? Incredible…
-THT isn’t quick enough or good enough on defense to guard most NBA point guards. Why anyone would want to put him in such a position to fail in is beyond me.
-THT has yet to make a major adjustment or be able to sustain a meaningful role as a professional NBA player. Outside of some scrap minutes last season, the 2 games against Houston in the playoffs THT has played well against a whopping 2 teams. In preseason. The Clippers, who are as concerned with preseason as we are (which is to say not at all), and Phoenix who might not make the playoffs in the west.
-THT is 9th or 10th on our depth chart. He won’t start this season, maybe…MAYBE…in games where LeBron sits. He will see time but not have the meaningful minutes he’s had in preseason. Who do I think is in front of THT?
LBJ, AD, Schroder, Gasol, KCP, Caruso, Kuzma, Matthews, Trezz and probably Markieff Morris. Now, because he can slot in at the 2,3, or even 4 given his stout body type and length, he’ll see time. But you don’t shell out millions in free agency and then relegate them to the bench because a 20 year old had a couple good games in preseason. That’s bad for business when it comes to free agency.
-The Lakers have made it known they hope to sign Schroder to a long term deal after the season. They’re not going to get that done by promising. him a lifetime role as a backup.
-I could go on but I like THT’s game and think he definitely contribute at this level but that’s as far as it goes until he shows me something real. In my opinion, he has not done that, yet.That’s not supposition, except for the starting part but it’s doubtful he’ll outplay guys whom the Lakers are paying a lot more money for. Those are all the facts. This is preseason. Lets try and appreciate something called reality for once…
Here’s where I’ll hop off this train and leave this as something resembling a caveat: I hope THT plays so well for many, many games this season that he makes it difficult not to play him. But he won’t be starting any time soon, he may not even be a primary bench squad member this season simply because of our depth. One thing that should give the “THT Future HOFer!!!” fan club hope is that, when Vogel sees something in a player (like he did with Caruso) he gives them a shot to shine. That, however, is very different than anointing a player the next anything than what they truly are.
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LOL. Remember this post later in the year when you want to get that ticket on the THT bandwagon and remember it was Frank Vogel himself who commented in the bubble that this dude is going to start for us next year.
Anyway, I understand your position and we’ll save you a seat on Talen’s train because we know it will safe to sit next to you because your glass is always empty.
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C’mon Jamie, we have to project into the future a little bit. Otherwise we’ll just we’re just regurgitating facts. You know LT is prone to hyperbole (future superstar), so I’m definitely not going that far, but I’ve seen enough to feel comfortable saying his ability to create will earn him minutes at the expense of either Matthews, Caruso or Kuz at some point this season…and he will have a long NBA career.
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Loving the GIF feature. Best way to respond to comments. Thanks, LRob.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Last season, the Lakers proved the axiom that defense wins championships. This season Rob Pelinka has given the Lakers an arsenal of weapons so their high powered offense could be as good as their championship defense.
While the Lakers clearly gave up some rim protection by not bringing back McGee and Howard, they still have their best shot blocker and rim protector in Anthony Davis, who will be playing the five when they close out games. Meanwhile, the objective in basketball is still to put the ball in the basket more times than your opponent and the four players the Lakers added this offseason were dramatic offensive upgrades over the four they replaced.
1. Marc Gasol for JaVale McGee
While the individual stats don’t show it, the biggest move to transform the Lakers offense this offseason was replacing traditional center JaVale McGee with modern 3-point shooting and elite playmaking center Marc Gasol. Gasol’s ability to shoot and pass the ball from the top of the key will open the floor for Laker superstars James and Davis to attack the rim and create opportunities for cutters like Caldwell-Pope and Kuzma to get easy baskets.
While Gasol only averaged 7.5 points, 6.3 rebounds, and 3.3 assists in 26.4 minutes per game vs. McGee’s 6.6 points, 5.7 rebounds, and 0.5 assists in 16.6 minutes per game, Marc shot 38.5% on 3.4 attempted threes per game. While Marc Gasol won’t personally add many points, his ability to stretch defenses and pass to cutters will transform the Lakers offensively and give teammates better spacing and opportunities to score than last season.
2. Dennis Schroder for Rajon Rondo
The second biggest offseason move Pelinka made was trading for Dennis Schroder to replace Rajon Rondo and give the Lakers a legitimate starting point guard in his prime to take the playmaking load off of LeBron James. While Schroder is not the elite playmaker Rondo was, he’s a much better scorer, 3-point shooter, and on ball defender. He also adds an element of speed at both ends of the court the Lakers did not have last season.
Finishing second in the 6MOY competition, Schroder averaged 18.9 points, 3.6 rebounds, and 4.0 assists in 30.8 minutes per game last season vs. Rondo’s 7.1 points, 3.0 rebounds, and 5.0 assists in 20.5 minutes per game. While the Lakers may miss Playoff Rondo’s clutch savvy, Schroder is 7 years younger, will give the Lakers the third scorer they’ve been missing, make life easier for LeBron in the starting lineup, and run the team when he rests.
3. Wesley Matthews for Danny Green
Like Gasol for McGee, Matthews for Green was more about saving money and cap space and replacing a player whose productivity declined for a player who brought more offensive potential and versatility to the Lakers. By replacing Danny Green with Wesley Matthews, Rob Pelinka was able to exchange an expensive veteran shooting guard for one on a minimum contract and to steal a starting player from the rival Milwaukee Bucks.
Matthews averaged 7.4 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 1.4 assists in 24.4 minutes per game last season for the Bucks while Green posted 8.0 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 1.3 assists in 24.8 minutes per game for the Lakers. While Matthews’ 36.4% on 4.4 threes per game is almost identical to Green’s 36.7% on 4.8 threes per game, Wes was the better and quicker defender against big wing scorers like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George.
4. Montrezl Harrell for Dwight Howard
Replacing veteran backup center Dwight Howard with the 26-year old explosive, high scoring reigning 6MOY Montrezl Harrell could turn out to be Rob Pelinka’s crowning achievement of the offseason for the Lakers. While the Lakers will miss Howard’s elite rim protection, the opportunity to steal Trezz from the rival Clippers was just too tempting to pass and gives the team’s bench a needed boost in energy and scoring when LeBron rests.
Harrell averaged 18.6 points, 7.1 rebounds, and 1.7 assists in 27.8 minutes per game with the Clippers last season while Howard averaged 7.5 points, 7.3 rebounds, and 0.7 assists in 18.9 minutes per game with the Lakers. While Trezz is not the defender Dwight was, he will be playing alongside an elite defender and shot blocker in Anthony Davis and should continue being a high powered bench scorer who regularly dominates reserve centers.
Comparing the offensive productivity of the four players Rob added to that of the players they replaced is revealing. Gasol, Schroder, Matthews, and Harrell averaged a combined 52.4 points, 19.5 rebounds, and 10.4 assists per game. Meanwhile, McGee, Rondo, Green, and Howard averaged 29.2 points, 19.3 rebounds, and 7.5 assists per game. The four new players Rob Pelinka added to the Lakers posted 79% more points and 39% more assists.
That added offense from these four players translates into 23.2 more points and 2.9 more assists per game for a Lakers team that ranked 11th in the league with 113.4 points per game and 10th with 25.4 assists per game. Adding those numbers to last year’s averages would give the Lakers 136.6 points and 28.3 assist per game, both of which would rank first in the league and show how Rob Pelinka has weaponized the team’s offensive arsenal.
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It’s going to be interesting to see where the Lakers offense ranks this season. Most of last season, we were ranked in the top five. The poor play in the bubble dropped us down to 11.
If we add the additional points and assists that these four players added to the offense, we would lead the league in both categories. Definitely are lacking some rim protection when Marc and Trezz are in the game so we need to make up for it at the other end.
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Good one LT, we added a lot of scoring potential, that much is sure. There are some concerns as top how we’ll overcome the defensive talent and I don’t think we’ll see a radical paradigm shift in the Lakers identity as a response. Losing DPOYs and replacing them with less able defenders who can shoot a little better will be one of the challenges the coaching staff has to deal with this season.
Howard vs. Gasol: Gasol will be the key. We’re going to need him to bang, as he’s dine his whole career, and do it well. His outside shooting will be nice, it will help open up the floor but I honestly think it’s his passing that is the best offensive weapon in his arsenal. It will allow there to be a lot more cutting, introduce a high-low game we didn’t see much of last season and let LeBron do a little less setting up in the half court. Gasol will be brought up to speed at a pace befitting a player of his age and tenure in the NBA so I expect to see him sit out some back-to-backs or if he has little, nagging injuries.
McGee vs. Harrell: McGee contributed unflinchingly in a role where his minutes were often played in tandem with AD starting at the 4 at the beginning of the game and after the half. It was rare to see him close out games and one of the best things about JaVale was his ‘team before me’ mentality. We’ll certainly get an energy and movement upgrade in Trezz but there are other intangibles I’m not certain how they’ll sort out yet. I see a vaguely similar role for Trezz in that I expect him to be the first big off the bench and spot start for Gasol at times. Unless Frank throws the league a curve ball and spot starts Cacock in those scenarios, lol.
Schroder vs. Rondo: This one has me more than a little worried. There’s no denying that we got younger and better at scoring in this exchange but we really lost a lot of intangibles both on and off the court. Rondo brings something to the court few players do: the ability to breakdown plays in the moment and se how they will unfold. It’s an elite level talent that very few in the NBA possess. Schroder does not have it. He’s a faster, maybe stronger and a better shooter. But is he the winner that Rondo has proven himself to be? That remains to be seen.
Green vs. Matthews: I feel like this has the appearance of a wash but that the numbers will bear out that Green is the player of more impact. We’ll see, I like Wes’ game, I think he could be a huge get if he can be the defender that Green was and shoot as well, if not better, than Danny did. Green has defensive instincts that helped win playoff 4 series, Wes hasn’t flashed that skillset…yet. I feel the equalizer is the Achilles injury Matthews suffered a couple years back. It’s certainly the reason he comes as cheaply as he did. Danny Green is a 3 time NBA champ, hard to replicate that experience by shooting a little better but we’ll see.
While we certainly need to outscore opponents I think it bears pointing out that one of the ways we did that best last year was on the break. Those breaks were generally fueled and created by defensive stops. One of my questions as we enter the season is how that looks this season. We still have AD, Caruso, KCP, Kuzma and of course LeBron James who can activate heightened defensive prowess almost at will. That’s no small thing. Adding Gasol improves the defensive skill and intensity. I think Wes will be relatively equal to what Green brought. It’s a bit of a drop off after that, especially in swapping Schroder for Rondo.
The great thing about sport though is that every season offers new opportunities to show us all something new. To show the world you are that good, that you can elevate and play at an even higher level than previously assumed. So, in that regard, I enter the season with high hopes and tempered expectations. The true key is can we keep our impact players healthy and able to contribute. That was one of the big reasons for our success last season: no major injuries. So, if that can be repeated, I like our chances against anyone.
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Thanks, Jamie. We’re certainly not going to become the Rockets, unless we continue to rain threes like we did in preseason. But I do think we’re going to see major changes in how we play at both ends of the court.
While I like the moves Rob made, I do share your concern about our interior defense and rim protection when AD is not in the game. While we’ll compensate for it with a lot more points, we’ll miss the rim protection McGee and Howard provided. We’ll be a better but different team.
I agree with you that Gasol’s passing will be a big factor but it’s his 3-point gravity that opens up all those lanes for cutters so you can’t discount it. It’s going to be the catalyst that unleashes LeBron and AD. Marc’s the one who’s going to have the biggest impact on how we play.
I’ve been a little disappointed in Trezz in preseason as he’s clearly not a rim protector and seems to be taking too many floaters and not enough devastating dunks that I felt were his trademark play but it’s just preseason and his plus/minus has been good. Need more from him.
I think Wes may be a plus for the Lakers at both ends. He’s a better 1-on-1 defender and better 3-point shooter in my mind. He and Talen may take minutes away from Kzuma as it’s not going to be easy playing 11 men.
Like you pointed out, great as our depth is, we’ll go as far as LeBron and AD take us, which is why I think we’ve a great chance to win #18 this season. And wouldn’t it be sweet if we did it in the Finals against the Celtics?
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Lost in the discussions of how to find minutes on a championship Lakers team ten deep with proven talented players has been the more important question of what is the position Talen Horton-Tucker is best suited to play?
I think we saw the answer to that question the last three preseason games where Horton-Tucker averaged 23.3 points, 7.3 rebounds, 3.3 assists, and 2.7 steals in 34.4 minutes at point guard while shooting 53.3/45.5/89.5%. While it’s foolish to overreact to a few preseason games, what we saw in those games was exactly what the Lakers coaches and players have seen from this kid in the bubble, during the playoffs, and in practice every day.
The first time I heard the Lakers were considering Talen Horton-Tucker as the backup point guard was back in November 2019 in a YouTube stream by Eric Pincus Making Sense of the Los Angeles Lakers’ Hard Cap Moves. While discussing the Lakers depth chart for the season, Pincus said the coaches were high on THT, believed he would become part of the rotation, and could even challenge Alex Caruso for the backup point guard role
The reason Talen is even on the Lakers roster is LeBron James. “I saw him about three and half, four years ago,” James said of Horton-Tucker. “I was watching a high school basketball game and I happened to catch Simeon playing. And I told our agent at the time — it’s now Talen’s agent, Rich Paul — that he needs to take a look at this kid Talen Horton-Tucker that’s at Simeon. I think the kid is super talented. This was like four years ago.
What transpired after that may be a key moment in Lakers history as on June 20, 2019, the Lakers traded their 2020 second round pick and $2.2 million to the Orlando Magic to take Talen with the 46th pick in the draft. After spending most of his rookie year in the G-League and only playing in 2 regular season games with the Lakers, Talen got a chance to play in two second round playoff games in the bubble against the Rockets and excelled.
Thrown into the pressure cooker of the bubble playoffs, Horton-Tucker averaged 7.0 points, 2.5 rebounds, and 1.0 steals in 8.5 minutes per game, giving the Lakers a glimpse of what he was capable of doing at 19-years old. The most telling comment about what the Lakers think about Talen Horton-Tucker’s potential was what one of their coaches said to LA Times writer Dan Woike while watching him practice during the playoffs in the bubble.
I was even more impressed watching Talen dominate the second half and lead the Lakers to a 3rd straight preseason win last night rebounding from a shaky first half off the bench instead of starting like in the first two games. After missing his only two 3-point attempts in the first half, Talen did what great players do. He put his head down and used his size and length to attack the paint, making several highlight reel layups and dishes in traffic.
While it may be awhile before he forces himself into the starting lineup, there’s no question Talen Horton-Tucker has earned a role in the Lakers’ rotation as the team’s backup point guard when LeBron’s not on the floor. While he’s capable of contributing off the ball, Talen’s handle and ability to get into the paint and make plays for himself and teammates and his upside as an elite wing defender are exactly what the Lakers need to repeat.
It almost unfair that a championship team as deep and talented as the Lakers should find a transcendent young star like Talen Horton-Tucker but like LeBron James said, “This kid is flat out SPECIAL! Mark my words.”
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With a shortened offseason and a limited preseason, you would have thought it would be near impossible for a player to have a break out like Talen Horton-Tucker has had. But thanks to load management for LeBron and AD and the departure of Rajon Rondo, THT was given a chance to shine and glow radioactive is what he has done with that chance. I don’t think there is any question he has locked up the backup point guard role for the Lakers and will get an opportunity to start proving he deserves to be a starter down the road, either at the 1 or 2, which is a major plus for the already ten player deep Los Angeles Lakers.
Of course, the glass drainers will rapidly work to empty the glass every time Talen fills it by reminding you this is just preseason but if you’ve been following the inside scoop around THT, you know there’s a lot of fire where there’s been smoke and Talen’s ascension has been building since the bubble and the playoffs. We may as fans been surprised but nobody on the Lakers coaching staff or team are surprised by what they’re seeing from the kid. They know he’s legit and is going to be a star for the team in the not to distant future. Like LeBron said, mark his words, This kid is special. So stop draining the glass and appreciate a Lakers future where the glass and talent are overflowing. Talen Horton-Tucker is going to be a Lakers star.
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I see THT as more of a back up 2-3 and even 4 on this team. Caruso and even Cook will hold down more backup guard duties. The fact is that THT does still have a lot to prove. That’s not draining a glass of hope but rather pairing that glass with a tasty plate of reality. Outside of AD and LBJ, Gasol and maybe KCP at this point, all the Lakers have something to prove. Can Schroder start on a playoff team? Can Trezz repeat his 6th MotY campaign? Can Caruso replicate his Swiss Army season from last year and maybe even take it up a notch? Can Kuzma take the leap we’ve been looking for 3 years and counting? Plenty of questions to go around and asking a question doesn’t mean you don’t support or hope the player does well it means that this doesn’t unfold on paper or in our minds. it plays out on the court.
So, yes, I have questions as to how well THT does in the regular season. We’ve seen him do well against two teams, three if you want to count Houston for 2 games in the playoffs which I do. There are bunch of teams, coaches and players he needs to prove himself against and that’s how it is for just about every player in the league. He’s not getting singled out he’s reached an exciting level as a player, the level where he’s talked about at all. They don’t all get to this level. He needs to show some consistency and he’ll need to make some adjustments once he gets scouted better. That’s all coming in the next few weeks or so.
I can be excited for his development and the fact that he did as much as he possibly could with his opportunity and still wonder if it’s sustainable over a 70-80+ game slog that is the regular season and then to keep it up into the playoffs. I wonder that about roughly 85% of our team and I would imagine most fans do in regards to their favorite teams, as well.
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Maybe it’s just coincidence but could Frank Vogel’s decision to play only 9 players Friday night and 8 players Sunday night be a preview of a brilliant Lakers’ plan to manage a deep roster, load management, and Covid-19?
Friday night, Vogel played a 9-man rotation of Schroder, Matthews, Caruso, Kuzma, Harrell, THT, Cook, Cacok, and Antetokounmpo while holding out James, Davis, KCP, Morris, Gasol, Dudley, and McKinnie due to Covid-19. Sunday night, he played an 8-man rotation of Gasol, Morris, Kuzma, KCP, THT, Harrell, Cook, and Dudley while holding out James, Davis, Schroder, Matthews, Cacok, Antetokounmpo, McKinnie, and Caruso due to injury.
By limiting his rotations to just 8 or 9 players, Vogel was able to give every player an opportunity to get in rhythm and play well with the result that the Lakers won both games without playing LeBron James or Anthony Davis. With two preseason games to go, the Lakers looked like a team ready to start the season while the Clippers looked like a team going nowhere as Ty Lue played 18 players in Friday night’s loss and 17 in Sunday night’s loss.
With Talen Horton-Tucker looking like a potential star, Frank Vogel needs to find a way keep a deep and talented 11-man rotation happy and productive and give each player enough minutes and opportunities to be successful. Keeping rotations to 8 or 9 players ensures everybody gets to play at least 20 to 30 minutes per game so they can develop rhythm and rapport with their teammates. Teams usually play better with 8 or 9-man rotations.
With the early start and compressed season, the Lakers need to give LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and others who played deep into the playoffs days off and be ready to respond to players missing games due to Covid or injury. Deploying a shifting 8 or 9-man matchup rotation based on opponent could be an ingenious way for the Lakers to manage the playing time demands of a deep roster, the need to rest LeBron and AD, and the impact of Covid-19.
The way this would work is relatively simple. Assuming the Lakers decide they have 11 players to whom they want to regularly give 20 to 30 minutes of playing time, they would then rest 2 or 3 of those 11 players every game. Positional matchups and players out due to injury or Covid would obviously be factors on who would sit out. LeBron and AD would likely play against major competitors while one of them might rest against lottery teams.
So how would an 8 to 9-man shifting matchup rotation of 11 players work over the 72-game NBA regular season? How many of the 72 games would various players end up playing versus sitting out during the regular season? The math is simple. For 11 players to share an 8 or 9-man rotation, each player would have to sit out every 5th game, meaning they would play in 80% or 58 and miss 20% or 14 of the 72 regular season games scheduled.
But every 5th game is just an average. Depending on the player, their age, health, level of play, opponent, matchups, and schedule, Vogel may want specific players to sit out only every 6th game and others every 4th game. The beauty of the template is it allows the coach to fine tune the rotation to each opponent, gives every player regular chances to rest and recuperate, and ensures the players who play have enough minutes to get into rhythm.
The shifting matchup rotations give more than five players the opportunity to start and close games, allow the coach to see which player combinations work best, and help to develop teamwide chemistry, synergy, and culture. They also afford more players chances to play meaningful minutes, keep the team fresh, healthy, and engaged over the long season, and make it easier to adjust should players get injured or end up testing positive for Covid.
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I love how Frank Vogel kept the rotations in the two preseason games against the Clippers to just 8 or 9 players. That was such a refreshing approach to preseason games versus the 17 and 18 players Ty Lue played in each game. The Lakers not only played better, beating the Clippers soundly despite not playing LeBron and AD, but the tight rotations made the game so much more enjoyable to play.
The more I watched the game last night, the more I began thinking this should be the Lakers’ template all season long to keep a deep and talented roster engaged, to give LeBron, AD, and other veteran players proper load management in short season with minimal time after the Finals, and to prepare the team to adjust if players get injured or test positive for Covid.
It would mean player would get days off every 5 games on average but when they played, they would get starter minutes. This team is so deep and the season so compressed that this is the perfect solution to protect players healthy, keep them fresh, and build great chemistry and synergy. No better way to handle a challenging season and get the team ready for the playoffs.
Hoping we’ll see more of the same Wednesday and Friday. Kudos to Frank Vogel and his staff for having a great plan for our deep roster, need for load management, and challenge of possibility of players testing positive for Covid.
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Kuzma’s extension and the impressive play by Kyle and Talen are going to put heavy pressure on Frank Vogel to give them minutes and the simple truth is there is no way for an 11-man rotation to work unless he sits 2 or 3 players each game so he only has to play 8 or 9. It’s the perfect solution for the deep roster, need for load management, and vagaries of a Covid-19 shortened season.
At some point, I expect to see a Talen Horton-Tucker and Kyle Kuzma backcourt on the floor for the Lakers along with LeBron, AD, and Gasol. That’s a lineup that could become lethal for the Lakers and portend a future championship team down the road. With Gasol stretching the floor and the Lakers playing 5-out sets, Talen, LeBron, and AD would have wide open attack lanes.
Can’t wait for tomorrow night’s opening night matchup with the Clippers and their new Triangle Offense. How ironic, the Laker finally enter the modern era with a stretch front court while the Clippers decide to reprise past with Phil Jackson’s Triangle. Good luck with that, Ty. Better give Phil a call to help out just remember that he and Jerry West don’t get along too well.