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As great as LeBron James is and no matter what happens at the trade deadline, the Los Angeles Lakers need the ‘real’ Anthony Davis to return if they hope to dominate the second half and repeat as NBA champions.
The single biggest major difference for the Los Angeles Lakers between the halfway point of this season versus last season hasn’t been rim protection or 3-point shooting but the play at both ends of the court by Anthony Davis. The issue for Davis this season has been injuries, which have not only had him miss 14 games, during which the Lakers went 7–7, but also led to fewer points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks than halfway through last year.
After 37 games this season, Anthony is averaging 22.5 points, 8.4 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 1.3 steals, and 1.8 blocks in 32.8 minutes per game with the Lakers winning 17 while losing 6 of the 23 games he was healthy to play. After 37 games last season, Davis averaged 27.1 points, 9.4 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 1.5 steals, and 2.6 blocks in 35.2 minutes per game with the Lakers winning 29 games while losing 6 of the 35 games he was able to play.
Not only did Davis’ numbers for the first half of this season fail to match his productivity for the first half of last season, his points per game were 3rd lowest, his rebounds 2nd lowest, and his blocks lowest in his 9-year career. But the heart of Anthony’s problems this season have been the decline in his free throw, midrange, and 3-point shooting percentages from their playoff highs of 57.1% from the field, 83.2% from the line, and 38.3% from deep.
Struggling with injuries and short time off after the playoffs, Davis has seen his proficient playoff shooting falter. So far this season, he’s only shooting 53.3%from the field, 71.5% from the line, and 29.5% from 3-point range. Besides not shooting well, Anthony is not getting to the line. This season, he has averaged only 5.7 free throws per games versus 8.5 last season, despite reducing his attempts from deep from 15% to just 10% of his shots.
Anybody who’s watched the Lakers this season can see that Anthony Davis is not playing or shooting at the level he did in last year’s playoffs, which is why it’s important the Lakers don’t bring him back until he’s 100% healthy. The Lakers don’t need to be the top seed in the West to repeat as champs. They need the ‘real’ Anthony Davis playing like he did in last year’s playoffs. He may not yet be the best player on the team but he’s the key to winning.
Unfortunately for the Lakers, this season’s championship quest is going to be even tougher than last season’s battle in the bubble. The Clippers, Jazz, and Nets will present a more challenging gauntlet for the Lakers to repeat. The Lakers as a team are going to have shoot the three ball a lot better and would be wise to to add anther rim protecting center and one or two high percentage, high volume 3-point shooters to stay ahead of the competition.
The Lakers have made changes to accommodate Anthony Davis’ desire to play power forward instead of center. He’s played the five less the 5% this season versus more than 25% last season and close to 50% in the playoffs. Unless the Lakers make a surprise big move at the trade deadline, this may be the year when Anthony Davis is forced to play the five if the purple and gold are going to have a realistic chance to repeat at NBA champions.
The Lakers are going to need the ‘real’ Anthony Davis to show up and take his rightful place alongside great Lakers centers like Kareem, Wilt, and Shaq if this team is going to win their league best 18th NBA championship.
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Nope. And the hope is his shooting performance in the playoffs was for real and not a fluke. Otherwise, we’re in trouble.
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As a biased, avid life-long fan of him, I believe he will. He still hasn’t been on the court yet. I think it’ll be a little while longer.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
If folks wanna recognize The Covid Cup as a legitimate title then they can’t turn around and call for Vogel’s head after an injury-plagued season. I feel like the bubble situation served us well but the quick turnaround, condensed follow-up season wasn’t good for us. Stuff always seems to balance out. I think we definitely need to make adjustments but I don’t see us blowing everything up in what could be Lebron’s final season here. It’s just not what the organization has done in the past.
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There’s no question in my mind that the Lakers need to find a third superstar if they want to beat the Nets in the NBA Finals. The problem the Lakers face is a math problem: 3 > 2 and 2 > 1. With just LeBron and AD, the Lakers are going to always have one less superstar on the court all 48 minutes of each game.
That means either Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, or James Harden is going to be defended by someone other than LeBron James or Anthony Davis. How comfortable do you feel about that? Do you think Caruso can stop Harden 1-on-1 or Schroder can stop Kyrie 1-0n-1? How do you think our trapping and rotating defense is going to do when 3 of the 5 players the Nets have on the court are superstars? That’s going to make trapping and doubling hard.
What we need is a third superstar to level the playing field. We also need that third superstar to be a guard because two of the Nets’ three superstars are guards and neither of the two superstars we have now are guards. Yes, LeBron and AD can defend guards like Kyrie and Harden but then who defends Durant? Gasol? Trezz? Kuzma? We need a former All-Defensive player like Victor Oladipo.
Finally, the reason Oladipo is the right move is he can deliver 20+ points per game and take 7 to 8 threes per game. Right now, Kyrie and James average 29 points more than KCP and Dennis average. That’s a point differential that will kill the Lakers unless they make moves to replace KCP and Victor is the best and most affordable two-way option out there.
Put him on the court with LeBron and AD and he will become the player he was when he won MIP, All- NBA, and All-Defensive two years ago. He will thrive as a third option and be the perfect backcourt mate to play with Schroder. It’s a move the Lakers can make. It will cost KCP, Kuzma, and THT but give the Lakers the edge in wininng #18.
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Aloha Tom, I don’t consider Oladipo a superstar. He is a one time all star that hasn’t been that good since 2017-18 season. He isn’t a great 3 point shooter. He had one good year at .371. He is like I believe .346 for his career. KCP’s career average is better then Victors best year. He’s been dismal shooting across the board since going to the Rockets. Instead of giving up 3 rotation players for him, why don’t we try getting Kuz more looks. He has been shooting the ball soooo much better than Victor, he is becoming our best rebounder and is becoming a very good defender that can guard 2 through 4. I also don’t believe as the 3rd option on this team, that he will bring more than the 3 guys we are giving up for him. I actually believe it would weaken us. And we would be rail thin at the forward spots.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree, Michael. Oladipo’s was MIP, 3rd team All-NBA, and 3rd team All-Defensive in 2018, He’s a career 17.5 ppg scorer, 4.6 rpg rebounder, 3.9 apg playmaker, 0.5 bpg shot blocker, and 1.5 spg defender.
All of those awards and stats say he is capable of being the closest thing to a superstar the Lakers are going to be able to acquire. KCP, Kuzma, and THT at this point have never sniffed those kind of stats.
And Victor’s averaging 20.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 4.2 apg, 0.5 bpg, and 1.5 spg in 32.7 minutes. He also shoots 7.8 threes per game, more than anybody on the Lakers at a career 34,8%. All while being the primary scorer on his team. Put him as third option on the Lakers and he should improve his shooting percentages.
What frustrates me is everybody responds to articles I write with their preordained opinioins without reading the article, considering the stats and arguments, and responding to the logic and conclusions of the article.
For example, sticking with KCP means the Lakers will face a negative 30 ppg differential when going up against Irving and Harden. Replace KCP with Oladipo and that is cut in half. The Lakers are not going to be able to beat a team wiht 3 superstars with just LeBron, AD, and a handful of limited role players.
It’s frustrating that everybody has such blind faith in the Lakers that they aren’t even willing to open their minds or actually read an article, or argue logic and reason. There’s a great argument for the Lakers to pursue Oladipo and that adding an elite guard like him could be the key to repeating. But hey, we’re in the Twitter age where anything more than 140 characters is a waste of time.
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Hey, Bob, hope all is well with you and yours. Thanks for reading and responding.
While I love THT and still believe he’s going to be a star, I can’t see us going into the Finals with a Schroder and KCP starting backcourt which averaged 29 fewer points per game than Irving and Harden. That’s just too much for LeBron and AD to make up against KD.
The only first round pick we can trade is 2027 and nobody is going to want one that far out so THT is essentially our lottery pick to offer in a trade. His 3-point shooting is still shaky at best and he now gives teams another reason to pack the paint against us. That’s why I’m willing to trade him. Can’t waste this chance to win #18 with LeBron. We need to go all-in now.
We need a third star and he has to be a guard. A backcourt of Schroder and Oladipo could be the answer if Victor is healthy and can return to his 2018 level. I would need the docs and our scouts to confirm that for the deal to be made.
I’ve been watching him Victor and looking at a lot of video and he’s still fast and quick and a bird dog on defense, much like Dennis, but also shoots 7 to 8 threes per game, which is something we desperately need. We’d still lose the backcourt points differential but only by 17 points.
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VICTOR OLADIPO COMEBACK?
These videos show Oladipo’s almost back from the injury that limited him to 45 games in 2019 and 2020.
Except for some rust on his shooting percentages, he is producing same as his peak in 2018 and has the same speed, quickness, and smooth stroke.
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VICTOR OLADIPO AT PEAK IN 2018!
SEASON: 23.1 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 4.3 APG, 0.8 BPG, 2.1 SPG
MIP, 3RD TEAM ALL-NBA, 3RD TEAM ALL-DEF…
VICTOR OLADIPO THIS SEASON VS. NETS!
GAME: 33 PTS, 7 REBS, 5 ASTS, 2 BLKS, 2 STLS
SEASON: 20.0 PPG, 5.2 RPG, 4.5 APG, 0.5 BPG, 1.5 SPG-
If you watch these two videos, it seems pretty obvious that Victor Oladipo is almost all the way back from the quad injury he suffered in 2019 that limited him to just 45 games in 2019 and 2020.
Watch the two videos yourself if you don’t believe me. Victor is just as quick and fast and his shot has the same smooth release as when he was at his prime. The big difference is he was in a happy competitive situation in 2018 whereas the situation with the Pacers cratered with him being in trade talks after the injury and then going to a stripped down Rockets team in the trade.
Put him on the Lakers as the third option and he will still get you 20 points, 5 boards, 5 assists, 1 block, and 2 steals per game and so many wide open shots that his shooting percentages will be career best. That’s also not counting all of the blocks and steals he will get.
What jumped out most watching Victor is how he and Dennis could be the fastest and quickest two-way backcourt in the league. Victor is like a taller, bigger, better outside shooting version of Dennis. They would be a great backcourt to play against Irving and Harden. They could defend Kyrie and James better than Kyrie and James could defend them. That’s what the Lakers need to take down the Nets.
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Been mulling this one over a bunch. I can see you’re running hot on this topic because you will post the same info multiple times in the same sentence. The fit is undeniable: Victor Oladipo, when healthy and playing at a high level is an All-NBA caliber guard on both ends of the court. The question marks I see are usgae and health. Is he healthy enough to contribute to the same level as Kuz, KCP and THT? That’s a viable question and one that ought not to be dismissed out of hand. Third option is essentially the same as the open guy on this team, in reality, when he shares the floor with James, AD and Schroeder, he’ll be the 4th option as Dennis or James will have the ball. So we’re giving up a lot for a 3rd or 4th option.
The defensive end is where I would normally make this trade without too much quibbling. But the numbers reveal that Victor is currently enjoying one of his worst defensive seasons to date:
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/victor-oladipo-defensive-rating-by-season
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/203506/
Depending on the specific metrics used it looks like it’s closer to 106+, about the same as KCP and THT. Kuzma is at 103.
Here are my issues with making this trade:
-Losing Kyle Kuzma who does a lot of everything every game and does it consistently. Kyle is looking better and better every season he plays alongside professionals. He has range, defends well, and is rebounding better than ever as a team rebounder.
-1 guy playing for 3. All three of the Lakers going out are major and fairly integral parts of the rotation. While I understand that we need to ship out that many players for the salaries to match you’re betting a lot on both AD’s health, LeBron’s continued dominance and that Oladipo has some room to improve. Both Kuzma and THT have the higher ceiling, at this point. KCP is a no-brainer to include in any trade, in my opinion.
-Victor’s health. I can see he’s putting up numbers on a garbage team. We’ve had that scenario unfold before us with guys still on the team (Kyle Kuzma, Julius Randle, even BI up until his final season where he looked like he had discovered how to do this at the pro level). Wes Matthews doesn’t show obvious signs of his Achilles injury, at this point, and still can’t get his jumper right. While Victor is suffering from the quad, the same could be said for Kawhi Leonard: looks fine, misses many games and often looks earthbound on the court.The real obstacle I see though is that we lack what other teams can include (picks). Another would be if Vic is bound and determined to test free agency in the offseason. We’d be giving up all but one cost-controlled player (whom we have Bird rights to) for what could amount to a half season rental. All just because of, what I consider to be, an overly certain outlook that the Nets are the de facto eastern conference champs. I think Philly is a far more dangerous team, especially in the playoffs. If Embiid and Simmons are healthy they have the defense and the offense to stymie the Nets and, for all his warts, Doc RIvers has a lot more tools in the box as a coach than lil Stevie Nash.
I will say there are far worse trades out there that I’ve seen. While there are certainly hurdles to retaining his services in the offseason they are not insurmountable. He could help in several areas of deficiency. The big question I have is this: can KCP regain his playoff form and mojo? If so this trade kind of becomes unnecessary, that’s what a healthy KCP brings at a fraction of the cost. If we can get Caldwell-Pope back on the right side of his mind we get the player we’ve been scouring the NBA rumor mills for, in-house and under contract. Gravy is keeping Kyle and Talen.
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Thanks for reading, analyzing, and responding, Jamie. While we don’t agree, I appreciate the thinking, respect, and intelligence in your reply. It’s the kind of responses that makes the effort to write something worthwhile and show why Lakerholics is such a great place to have a conversation about the Lakers.
In the end, this trade does come down to whether Victor can once again be the player he was back before the injury. Victor was the MIP, 3rd team All-NBA and All-Defensive in 2018. The next season, after struggling with knee issues, he tore a quad in January 2019 and was out the rest of that season after only 36 games.
Then a year later in late January 2020, Victor finally returns and plays his first game back, playing restricted minutes at first and slowly improving but only playing in 19 games. Add 24 more games in 2021 and Victor has now played in just 43 games since returning, hardly enough to work out the rust, especially considering the pandemic and situations he was in in Indiana and Houston.
You made some excellent points. Here are my comments regarding those.1. Defense. Yes, Victor’s 106.6 DEFRTG for this season had not been great. It was just 111.2 for 9 games with Pacers but improved to 103.8 for 15 games with Rockets. You know player DEFRTG are heavily influenced by team DEFRTG. Lakers’ 106.1 team DEFRTG is #1 while the Pacers’ 110.9 is #13 and the Rockets’ 110.4 is #11. Victor’s 103.8 on the Rockets is very impressive and even better than his 104.0 in 2018 when he was 3rd team All-Defensive and better than Kuzma’s 103.5, KCP’s 106.7, or THT’s 106.8 on the #1 ranked Lakers. Defense is a big part of why the Lakers should make this trade if available.
2. As to the future value of Kuzma and THT or KCP should he return to playoff form, I don’t really disagree. All three are key starter/rotation players on a championship team. IF, and YES, it’s a big IF, the 28-year-old Victor can be the player he was before the injury, then he is worth more than those three players. It’s hard to trade three key players for one player. But the winner of most trades is the team that got the best player. In this trade, Oladipo is that player.
3. The garbage team argument is a valid argument in some situations but not when we’re talking about a player who proved his worth on a competitive Indiana team. Victor may not put up 20 ppg as third option on the Lakers but the key is he’s a guy who can put up those close to those points, boards, assists, blocks, and steals. The only area he is not all the way back is his shooting percentages, which is understandable when being the #1 option on losing teams. That will change on the Lakers as teams will have to focus on LeBron and AD leaving Victor to go against other team’s 3rd best defenders. He’ll get looks and lanes he never got in Indiana and Houston and has the talent and skill to take advantage of them at both ends of the court.4. Yes, we don’t have picks but we do have THT, who’s the equivalent of a first-round lottery pick. And the Rockets are going to get lots of picks from their sale of Tucker, Gordon, et al. A big part of this trade for the Lakers is it’s a chance to get a superstar player because of concerns of injury and free agency. I don’t see many teams making a better offer than KCP, Kuzma, and THT. Most will be afraid of losing him to free agency. Lakers might even be willing to give him an extension but I think all they have to do is win a championship with him and then use Bird rights to extend him.
5. Which brings us to the financial considerations. Say the Lakers repeat and then extend Oladipo for $32M. That replaces Kuzma’s 13M, KCP’s $13M, and THT’s $10M or total of $36M. This is how the Lakers get a third max player to fit in the salary cap without going as deep in the luxury tax as the Warriors have.
Anyway, you’re right. I do love this deal. I hope you take the time to watch the two videos of Victor at his peak in 2018 and this year versus the Nets. He’s going to be traded and I would love to see the Lakers take a shot at him. Adding a third legitimate two-way superstar to LeBron and AD would catapult the Lakers back into the catbird’s seat as the favorite to win the championship.
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Saw the videos but don’t take much away from single-game accomplishments/stats/what have you. He looks like a player, in both, who doesn’t let the pace of the game dictate his flow. Of the three players in your trade only THT still has that problem (Kuzma here and there but far less frequently than in seasons past).
Your point about the attention James and AD will get being unique to his career is pretty much the only reason I’d pull the trigger on this one. There are a bunch of concerns both regarding his health and our ability to keep him here (we don’t, for example, know if he wants to be head honcho on a team or is content being the 3rd fiddle, or worse).
And yes, I agree that bad teams have players with bad defensive ratings. I would shoot this trade down but the way KCP has been so unreliable has forced me to make trading him a priority. My thinking is both the coaches and the team are going to take a ‘law of averages’ approach to that situation, though.
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Somehow missed this response but thanks for replying and can’t disagree with your points. It’s a calculated gamble to trade for Victor but a trade like this with risks is probably the only way to land a third superstar for the Lakers.
I don’t like this trade as much as I like the Turner trade but it was listed as #1 because it’s a legitimate opportunity to land a third star as the Rockets are going to trade Victor to somebody. I just hope if it happens, it would be to the Lakers rather than some team like the Clippers or Jazz or even Nets. Problem is always that it’s not who has the best trading chips but who’s willing to put them on the line.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The biggest mistake Rob Pelinka could make would be to fail to get LeBron James the help he needs to win another NBA championship. Right now, the Lakers desperately need better rim protection and volume 3-point shooting.
The problem is almost every one of the Lakers’ competitors are also looking for shot blockers and 3-point shooters, which makes their chances of filling their desperate needs via the buyout market an extremely long shot at best. As defending champs, the Lakers do not want to panic and break up their championship roster or hurt their great team chemistry and culture, which likely eliminates making a major trade for a star or superstar player.
The good news is here are three small trades that could bring back an elite rim protector and three high quality, high volume 3-point shooters without the Lakers having to give up any of their long term core rotation players.
1. Montrezl Harrell for Nerlens Noel and Reggie Bullock
This is a trade of backup centers by the league’s top two defensive teams with shooting guard Reggie Bullock included to match salaries. All three players are on expiring contracts and will become free agents this summer.
The Lakers make the deal because they get an elite shot blocker in Nerlens Noel who also has the mobility and athleticism to switch and defend smaller players on the perimeter, which is key to their trapping rotating defense. The Lakers also get a high quality, high volume 3-point shooter in Reggie Bullock, who’s averaging 38.1% on 4.5 threes per game, both of which would rank 3rd on the team for 3-point percentage and 3-point attempts.
The Knicks get needed instant offense off the bench in backup center Montrezl Harrell, reining 6th Man of the Year. Trez would give New York’s 23rd ranked offense desperately needed firepower in their playoff run.
2. Wesley Matthews and 2nd Round Pick for Wayne Ellington
This is a trade of older veteran shooting guards with the Lakers including a second round pick to sweeten the deal for the Pistons. Both players are on expiring contracts and will become unrestricted free agents this summer.
The Lakers make the deal because they’re in a win-now mode and need a high quality, high volume 3-point shooter like Ellington. Trading for Ellington, who’s averaging 43.5% on 6.2 threes per game, would help fix the problem. Right now, the Lakers have a negative 3-point differential of 2.7 points, making a 27th ranked 10.8 out of 30.8 attempted threes for 35.1% while allowing a 5th ranked 11.7 out of 32.6 attempted threes for 35.8%
The 10–25 Pistons meanwhile have the 29th worst record in the league and are in full rebuilding mode. Acquiring a second round pick by swapping Ellington for Matthews helps collect assets and improves their draft status.
3. Talen Horton-Tucker for Devonte Graham
This is a straight 1-for-1 player trade of backup lead guards. Both players are in the last year of their contracts and are expected to decline their qualifying offers and become highly coveted restricted free agents this summer.
The Lakers make the deal because they’re in a win-now mode and need the volume 3-point shooting and playmaking skills at which Graham excels. Devonte is shooting 35.5% on 6.8 threes and averaging 5.7 assists per game. While the 20-year old Horton-Tucker arguably has a greater upside, the 23-year old Graham’s 3-point shooting and playmaking are right now a better fit than THT to be the Lakers’ backup point guard for Dennis Schroder.
The 17–18 Hornets have put together an exciting young roster and the addition of LaMelo Ball and emergence of Terry Rozier have made Graham expendable. Trading for THT would give Charlotte another future star.
The addition of Nerlens Noel, Reggie Bullock, Wayne Ellington, and Devonte Graham would give the Lakers the elite rim protector and high percentage, high volume 3-point shooting to repeat as NBA champs.
Defensively, Noel would give the Lakers the shot blocking rim protector they miss without McGee and Howard. His impact would definitely give the Lakers’ top ranked defense a big boost the rest of the season and playoffs. More importantly, the addition of Noel would enable the Lakers to stagger his minutes with Davis to keep an elite shot blocker on the floor the entire game and allow the Lakers to have two mobile bigs to close out games.
But the biggest impact of the trades would be how they transform the Lakers offensively from a poor 3-point shooting team with a differential of -2.7 points to an elite team with a top-two 3-point differential of 9.5 points. Bullock, Ellington, and Graham combined to aake 196 out of 509 threes for a respectful 38.5% the first half of the season while Harrell, Matthews, and Horton-Tucker made just 49 out of 161 threes for a disappointing 30.4%.
Replacing Harrell, Matthews, and Horton-Tucker with better high volume shooters like Bullock, Ellington, and Graham could enable the Lakers to make 147 more and attempt 348 more threes the second half of the season. Making 147 additional threes over the last 36 games could generate 441 points or 12.3 points per game, giving the Lakers a +9.6 differential, which would have been second best for the first half behind the Jazz’s +16.8 points.
The impact of how Noel could upgrade the Lakers’ defense while Bullock, Ellington, and Graham could transform the offense is a perfect blueprint for the type of moves Rob Pelinka needs to make at the trade deadline.
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This may be my favorite article I have ever written for Lakerholics. I believe it’s the perfect blueprint the Lakers need to follow to fix their rim protection and 3-point shooting problems. While it’s not a deal for a superstar or star player, it could transform the Lakers defensively and offensively.
I’ve always been a big fan of Nerlens Noel and he’s been playing great for the Knicks, who have the second best defense in the league but only the 23rd best offense. Swapping backup centers should be a win-win for both teams. Lakers get the rim protector and mobile rotating big they need to bolster their defense and a quality volume 3-point shooter to boot. Knicks get the instant offense off the bench they need to turbo charge their defense.
The deals for Ellington and Graham show that the Lakers can not only fix their negative 3-point differential but can actually transform their team into an elite 3-point shooting team. Replacing Harrell, Matthews, and THT with Bullock, Ellington, and Graham turns the Lakers into a 3-point shooting juggernaut. Those three take 18.8 threes per game versus 5.2 threes per game for the three players they replaced.
There are other centers who could fill the same role as Noel and a few other shooters who could fill the volume 3-point shooting role of Reggie, Wayne, and Devonte so this article is as much a blueprint for what Rob Pelinka and the Lakers should be looking to do as it is a recommendation of players to target in trades.
Please read and let me know what you think. Would love to see these kinds of moves during the All-Star break.
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15 PLAYER DEPTH CHART:
PG: SCHRODER, Caruso, Caldwell-Pope
SG: GRAHAM, Ellington, Bullock
SF: JAMES, Kuzma, McKinney
PF: DAVIS, Morris, Dudley
CE: GASOL, Noel, JonesSchroder and Graham give Lakers ability to have a true point guard on the court all game long.
Davis and Noel give Lakers ability to have an elite rim protector on the court all game long.
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Lol, Reggie Bullock….again? It didn’t work before, it’s not gonna work now. My trade met your standards much better.
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Come on, Gerald. You can to do better than nit picking one player who’s currently shooting more threes at a higher percentage than anybody but two players now on the Lakers.
I was hoping for some serious conversation about how Noel would address our rim protection problems and how adding Bullock, Ellington, and Graham totally changes the kind of 3-point shooting team we are.
And tell me what is ‘your’ trade that meets my standards much better? You know how frustrating it is when you spend a lot of time on something you believe in and then just get a flippant response, especially from a friend and fellow blog editor.
These three trades could solves the Lakers biggest two problems: defensive rim protection and offensive 3-point shooting. Let’s talk about whether they do that, whether the cost is worth it, and what are the alternatives?
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1. Montrezl Harrell for Nerlens Noel and Reggie Bullock – I’m going back and forth on this one. I love what Trezz brings to the team, especially off the bench. I’ve never thought of either Bullock or Noel as ‘energy’ guys. The main reason I don’t see this one happening is Mr. Thibbs. Coach Tom values defensive input and Nerlens is performing admirably in that role for the Knickerbockers. For the Knicks Trezz is less an issue to retain, they will have ample cap space so the one thing I could see that pushes this deal through is if Thibbs loves Harrell’s game (no clue). This brings a lot more overlap to how NY is playing, Julius is already the energy/bully ball guy on that team and Noel patrols the paint for them and finishes lobs. Bullock back to the Lakers also feels like a longshot as he has a fairly large role on NY. The Knicks have been down so long I think it would be odd to see them break up the first successful squad they’ve had in close to a decade.
2. Wesley Matthews and 2nd Round Pick for Wayne Ellington – No brainer, do it in a heartbeat.
3. Talen Horton-Tucker for Devonte Graham – Truth be told I don’t watch Charlotte unless they’re playing us. The stats fit the needs but I don’t know enough about DG to be all in on this one. The off season issues are replicated, which I would rather see a guy come in who is a little more cost-controlled, but all in all I see us retaining THT as an uphill battle. The Lakers seem quite high and pleased both Talen’s development and future. So, depending on what level that reaches to and what level of influence Klutch has over this process I could see a few extraneous factors derailing this one.
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Also, it’s official: Blake Griffin getting bought out. Doesn’t sound like the Lakers are on the list of interested teams but…
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How important would replacing Harrell, Matthews, and Horton-Tucker with Bullock, Ellington, and Graham?
Had Lakers scored 12.3 more points per game for first half of season, they would have lost only 3 games, had a record of 34-3, and a 6-game lead over the Utah Jazz.
That’s what improved 3-point shooting could mean for the Lakers. It’s the key to a Championship.
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That’s not even counting how much more difficult it would be for opposing teams to defend LeBron and AD surrounded by elite volume 3-point shooters.
Or the impact of having a second rim protector in the game when AD was not on the floor or taking off a game. We have lost the points in the paint too many times this season.
Lakers need to make moves to add volume 3-point shooters and an elite rim protector. It’s the blueprint to beat the Clippers, Jazz, and Nets and repeat as NBA champions.
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While a third superstar to go with LeBron James and Anthony Davis to match the Nets’ Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving, and James Harden would be great, the perfect move for the Lakers could be to trade for Myles Turner.
In fact, there’s a case to be made that trading for Turner would be a smarter and more realistic move for the Lakers than trading for a superstar and Myles just might be available as playing him next to Sabonis is not working. However, it’s still going to take an impressive offer from the Lakers to tempt the Pacers to trade Turner, who’s leading the league with career best 3.4 blocks and career best 1.1 steals in a career high 31.5 minutes per game.
That’s why the Lakers need to offer a package for Myles Turner the Pacers couldn’t refuse: 27-year old 6MOY Montrezl Harrell, 25-year old two-way star Kyle Kuzma, and 20-year old potential superstar Talen Horton-Tucker.
Let’s review why this is a win-win trade, why Myles Turner could be key to the win-now Lakers repeating as champs, and why Montrezl Harrell, Kyle Kuzma, and Talen Horton-Tucker could transform the Pacers into winners.
WHY THE TRADE IS A WIN FOR LAKERS!
The Los Angeles Lakers have two serious needs that must be addressed to repeat as NBA champs: better rim protection and more 3-point shooting. Trading for Myles Turner dramatically improves the Lakers in both areas.
While he’s not a superstar per se, Turner has the skill set to arguably be a superstar in the role he’d play on the Lakers, which is a modern starting center who can protect the rim on defense and space the floor on offense. Myles leads the league in blocked shots and has the quickness and mobility to defend smaller players on the perimeter. He’s also a career 34.7% 3-point shooter who takes 4.6 threes per game and finishes ferociously at the rim.
Turner is the missing puzzle piece that elevates the Lakers’ top ranked championship defense to the next level. He and Anthony Davis would give the Lakers’ defense an unmatched pair of pterodactyl sized shot blockers. More importantly, the Lakers could stagger Turner’s and Davis’ minutes to keep an elite rim protector on the floor for the entire game. And Myles has the size, mobility, hops, and athleticism to defend Jokic and Embiid.
Turner gives the Lakers the low post dunks off lobs and rugged rebounding they’ve missed without McGee and Howard and a faster, quicker, and more mobile defender who can rotate and challenge shooters on the perimeter. Unlike last year’s old school low post centers, Myles can’t be played off the floor defensively and doesn’t allow opponents to pack the paint offensively to prevent LeBron James and Anthony Davis from getting to the rim.
Finally, landing the 6′ 11,” 250 lb Turner solves the problem of Anthony Davis preferring to play most of his minutes at power forward to avoid the physical banging and injury risks that inevitably come from playing center. Pairing the 24-year old Turner with the 27-year old Davis also solidifies the Lakers’ starting front court for the next decade and helps to extend their championship window well past the eventual end of LeBron James career.
While giving up Harrell, Kuzma, and Horton-Tucker is a huge price to pay, the 24-year old 6′ 11,” 250 lb Turner has the potential to transform the Los Angeles Lakers from a one time champion into the NBA’s next dynasty.
WHY THE TRADE IS A WIN FOR THE PACERS!
Indiana’s experiment under new coach Nate Bjorkgren to play 6′ 11,” 240 lb Domantas Sabonis and 6′ 11,” 250 lb Myles Turner together is not working as the 15–18 Pacers have now lost 4 straight and fallen to 9th in the East.
While the Pacers won 4 of their first 5 games with Sabonis and Turner playing together, it’s become increasingly obvious two bigs front court has been a failure and they need to move Sabonis to center and trade Turner. The following chart using stats from NBA.com shows how the offensive, defensive, and net ratings of the Sabonis and Turner 2-player lineups and the Indiana Pacers as a team have declined each month this season.
Since Sabonis is the Pacers’ franchise player and Turner’s contract too expensive for a reserve, the Pacers would be smart to trade him now for multiple players who can provide them needed scoring and bench depth. With LeVert and Warren expected back sometime this season, the Pacers aren’t ready to tank. They just need to turn Turner into two or three players who fit better with their core of Sabonis, Brogdon, LeVert, and Warren.
The talented package of Harrell, Kuzma, and Horton-Tucker from the Lakers could be just what the Pacers need. Montrezl Harrell could be the instant offense small ball center they need when Domantas Sabonis rests. Kyle Kuzma could step right in and give their offense and defense a boost as starting power forward and 20-year old Talen Horton-Tucker is the wild card in the trade with his legitimate potential to become a future superstar.
A Pacers’ roster with Brogdon, LeVert, Warren, Kuzma, and Sabonis starting and Holiday, McDermott, McConnell, Harrell, and Lamb coming off the bench would clearly be a better, more diverse, and deeper playoff team.
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It’s no secret that I’ve coveted Myles Turner as the perfect modern center to play alongside Anthony Davis. This is obviously not my first proposed Lakers trade for the Pacers’ center.
I was disappointed when Pacers new head coach Nate Bjorkgren found early success playing Sabonis and Turner together as a twin towers pair of 6′, 11″ 240 and 250 lb centers.
But the worm has turned and the stats clearly show that the Pacers’ experiment of playing the two centers together is a bust. It’s just a matter of time before Indiana has to face the music and look to trade Turner, which is where the Lakers have a chance to score the perfect modern center to complement Anthony Davis.
Turner leads the league in blocked shots, has the size to handle bigs like Jokic and Embiid, and has the quickness and mobility to be a great fit in the Lakers aggressive trapping and rotating defense.
The idea of a Turner-Davis front court starting and closing halves and games would redefine what is a ‘Death Lineup’ and essentially put a lid on the basket when the two of them were on the court together.
Finally, locking up the Lakers’ front court of the future with the 24-year old Turner and the 27-year old Davis is worth whatever price the Lakers have to pay. I would even include Alex Caruso if necessary to pull of the trade but I think the package of Harrell, Kuzma, and THT is a fair offer. Trade machine says Pacers benefit with 3 more wins.
Lakers’ depth chart after the trade:
PG: Schroder, Caruso, Open
SG: KCP, Matthews, Open
SF: LeBron, McKinney, Open
PF: Davis, Morris, Dudley
CE: Turner, Gasol, JonesThree spots open for the buyout or trade market:
Maybe IT, Ellington, and Ariza?Let me know what you think? Thanks.
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I would make the trade w/o Caruso. I have issues trading guys away that close down games for us, Caruso is on that list. If possible I’d switch KCP for Kuz but that’s unlikely. Basically I’m either for keeping Kuz and including Caruso along w/KCP (guard glut for Indy tho) or the trade w/o acfresh21
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I think Harrell, Kuzma, and THT is a great deal for the Pacers. The trade machine gives them 3 more wins. And the pieces are great fits for their roster. Don’t need Caruso. That was more my way of saying I love Turner’s fit on the Lakers next to LeBron and AD.
Now I might sway Caruso for Devonte Graham to get a starting lineup of:
Schroder
Graham
James
Davis
TurnerDramatically improved rim protection and 3-point shooting.
Considering how KCP and West have played, I would probably start Caruso with Schroder as the backcourt to go with the LeBron, AD, Turner front court. That would be a great defensive lineup.
Schroder
Caruso
James
Davis
Turner
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The main attraction of trading for Myles Turner is his fit alongside Anthony Davis and LeBron James. In fact, I’d even go further by saying there may not be a better fit alongside Davis and James in the entire league than Myles Turner for the following reaons:
1. His rim protection as shown by his shot blocks.
2. His mobility to defend out of the paint as shown by his steals.
3. His offensive ability to stretch defenses with 3-point shoting.
4. HIs offensive ability to dunk off lobs and rebounds.
5. His age at 24 is a perfect match with Anthony Davis
6. His 2.5 years remaining on his contract for $18 million/year.Is there any other center who you think would be a better target for the Lakers to pursue?
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I like Turner as well. Not giving up Harrell, Kuz and THT. Sub in KCP for Kuz, he’s what we thought he was, average at best. Still doesn’t give us a 3 shooter.
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Need to add TJ McConnell and Dougie “McBuckets” in that trade LakerTom.
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Turner-McConnell-McDermott for Dennis-Kuzma-THT-Caruso-Gasol works in the Trade Machine
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LOL. That may work in the trade machine but that’s too much change for even me. It’s like a second trade of McConnell and McDermott for Shroder, Caruso, and Gasol. That’s way too much to give up for a pair of McRole players. This must be a joke, right? Leaves us with only 1 center. Original trade is a fair deal for both side. This version is a gift for the Pacers.
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Like I said in the podcast last night, the Lakers don’t really care about this game other than to finish the first half with no more injuries. Makes sense to give LeBron the night off. We should be able to handle the Kings without LeBron and AD and the game itself is just 1 of 72. Don’t risk anybody getting hurt, especially LeBron after playing last night.
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