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The Los Angeles Lakers have a serious problem. The immediate help they need to stop the bleeding in the form of injured players returning or a big trade to give the team more size in the front court aren’t happening soon.
The Lakers problem is their key injured players — Ariza and Nunn — aren’t likely to return until mid-December and their top trading chips — THT and Nunn —cannot be traded until December 15 and January 15 respectively. That means Lakers’ head coach Frank Vogel will have to find a way to survive with the existing roster for at least the 9 games before December 15 and possibly for the 22 games on the Lakers’ schedule before January 15.
While the Lakers aren’t in serious trouble yet, the warning signs are ramping up and unless Frank Vogel makes some major changes, the 10–11 Lakers could easily find themselves 15–15 on December 15 or 22–21 on January 15. Vogel is no novice in the coaching business and should know that having a record close to .500 on December 15 or January 15 could easily cost him his job as head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. Frank is now on hot seat.
At the heart of the Lakers’ problems is Vogel’s starting lineup that included DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley as the two role player starters alongside the three superstars LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Russell Westbrook. While DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley clearly fit what Frank Vogel wants as his starting rim protector and point-of-attack defender, both players have not met expectations and have the team’s two lowest net ratings.
How the Lakers fare over the 9 games before December 15 and the 22 games before January 15 will determine Vogel’s fate. So let’s look at what Frank can do to shake up the rotation, win some games, and save his job.
1. Remove Jordan and Bradley from the Starting Lineup
If the Frank Vogel’s going to survive the 9 games until December 15 or the 22 games before January 15th, he’s going to have to replace DeAndre Jordan as the starting center and Avery Bradley as the starting shooting guard.
Vogel’s overreaction to the Lakers’ small ball lineups getting killed on the boards and outscored in the paint was to revert back to DeAndre Jordan starting again at center, despite his negative impact on the team’s spacing. Frank paired the Jordan move with Avery Bradley returning to the starting lineup the last two games. Vogel’s justification for making both moves was to increase the size and improve the defense of the starting lineup.
The results of the two games confirm Vogel did get better defense as Jordan’s 101.5 and Bradley’s 102.4 defensive ratings were best on team. Unfortunately, their 85.1 and 91.3 offensive ratings were worst on the team. While starting Jordan and Bradley created better defense, they stifled the team’s offense. Jordan’s -16.4 net rating was lowest and Bradley’s -11.2 third lowest on the team. Vogel needs to admit his mistake and replace both.
It’s one thing for a coach to want an elite defensive team and to demand players play defense if they want to start but Vogel needs to realize this team strategically sacrificed some defense to get much better on offense.
2. Get Creative with Non-Traditional Starting Lineup
Pelinka’s moves combined with untimely injuries have derailed any roster stability the Lakers had hoped for. The best Frank Vogel can hope for now is to replace Jordan and Bradley with starters who can help the team win.
The above small ball lineup with LeBron James at the five and Carmelo Anthony at the four with three guards is a perfect example of the innovative starting lineups Frank Vogel needs to embrace to get the Lakers rolling. Substitute Anthony Davis for Carmelo Anthony and Frank has his starting lineup: Westbrook, Ellington, Monk, James and Davis. Or Davis and James if you want LeBron to play the five. Either way, Melo comes off the bench.
This is not the 2020 bubble championship roster but it has definite strengths that Vogel can rely upon when retooling his starting lineup and rotations. the roster also has its Achilles Heel in that it lacks small forward sized players. Fortunately, the Lakers do have three healthy quality bigs in LeBron James (36 mpg), Anthony Davis (36 mpg), and Dwight Howard (24 mpg) who could cover the 96 minutes of time at power forward and center each game.
After Friday night’s triple overtime loss to the Kings, Vogel will be under intense pressure from the media and fans to remove both Jordan and Bradley from the starting lineups. The Lakers are a team in need of change.
3. Narrow Rotation to Ten Players Maximum
Besides setting his starting lineup going forward, Lakers head coach Frank Vogel needs to narrow his rotation to ten players by setting up the starter and primary backup for each position. The Lakers need rotational stability.
Here’s the Lakers’ projected depth chart:
PG: WESTBROOK, NUNN, Rondo
SG: ELLINGTON, REAVES, Bradley
SF: MONK, THT, Bazemore
PF: DAVIS, ANTHONY, Ariza
CE: JAMES, HOWARD, JordanStarters and primary backups in caps
The problem with Rob Pelinka’s construction of the Lakers’ roster is the obvious lack of size at small forward. While we keep hearing that 6′ 8″ Trevor Ariza is the solution, he has only played power forward the last four years. Frank Vogel needs to realize two bigs is not the answer to the Lakers’ lack of size at the three. That’s a problem the Lakers will have to wait to solve until January 15 when THT and Nunn will both be eligible to be traded.
Meanwhile, Vogel needs to find starting and rotation lineups that can score, defend, and win games with LeBron, AD, and three guards. That’s what his future as the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers will depend upon.
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Aloha, Michael.
There’s no doubt multiple contributors to our problems but that doesn’t mean you don’t immediately address the low hanging fruit such as two starters who are so poor on offense that the Lakers lose ground despite their defense. Replacing DJ and Bradley is the logical starting point. Roll out a lineup with some firepower and win those first and third quarters.
We have multiple problems but the way you attack those is one at a time. Replace the two non-productive players on the starting lineup, while not the entire solution, is right now the most important. They represented 23 minutes at the start of each half for a team that’s struggled in the first and third quarters. Replace DJ and AB and then work on the other rotation lineups. Don’t just quit and run back to the safety of your old school two bigs. Thast’s what pisses me off most.
As starters the last two games, Dj contributed 4 points per game and Bradley 1 point per game. Replacing them with Monk and Ellington at least give us a chance to compete. I could even see Reaves replacing Bradley if Frank wants better defense but his panicked moves back to two bigs is undermining any chance we have of making AD at the five work with what Pelinka gave him.
The problem with replacing Pelinka is whether it would make any difference. Like you said, LeBron determines what this team does on the court. I mean LeBron and Russ are probably the two most consistent players in the league when it comes to style of play. Changing coaches is unlikely to change how either plays. And we all know AD controls how he plays. So why make a change other than to just shake things up?
On the other hand, Frank’s old school mentality that prevents him from fully embracing small ball or stretch five centers and his weird fascination with two big lineups with negative net ratings is becoming fatally unavoidable. The lack of innovation offensively is almost criminal with LeBron nearing the end of his career. In the end, that’s what will determine what happens. Frank needs to adjust to the modern game and the roster Pelinka gave him or he will lose his job just like JaVale McGee, Andre Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan have or will lose theirs.
I’m done supporting Frank. If he doesn’t change the starting lineup, Jeanie and Pelinka should fire his ass.
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It’s amazing how in a week Frank Vogel went from secure to being the top NBA head coach candidate to be fired, just a few weeks over a year from when he won the Lakers 17th NBA championship in the bubble in Orlando. I’ve resisted the negativity and continued to support Vogel but his moves to return Jordan and Bradley to the starting lineup are the last straw. Frank needs to throw the towel in on the two bigs lineups and figure out how to get to January 15 as Lakers’ head coach.
Frank Vogel is on the hot seat and needs to change his starting lineup beginning with tonight’s game against the Pistons. His panicked move to revert back to starting lineups with DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley was probably the greatest sign of the pressure Frank is feeling because of the imbalanced roster Pelinka gave him and the untimely injuries across the roster.
Jordan and Bradley need to be replaced with Monk and Ellington to give the Lakers enough offensive firepower to win games. A starting lineup of Westbrook, Ellington, Monk, James, and Davis with a 10-player rotation that includes Rondo, Reaves, THT, Anthony, and Howard as primary backups. When Nunn returns, he would replace Rondo as the point guard backup. Ariza will have to prove he can play to break into the 10 man rotation.
Between January 15 and the February 10 trade deadline, the Lakers will need to make moves to either bring in a true starting quality center like Myles Turner or a bigger 3&D wing like Jerami Grant because they cannot win another championship without getting bigger and better as a team.
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Great read Tom, whatever shape it takes I think we all agree that some kind of change is needed. I don’t see Reaves moving ahead of Bradley on the depth chart but would welcome Wayne Ellington and Dwight as starters. Or even just swapping Dwight and DJ’s roles. But, ultimately, I agree with Michael in that the larger culprit is a stagnant offense overly reliant on James who obviously wants to save as much as he can for the playoffs. We need to run through Russ more, not less, in late game scenarios as he involves players more and isn’t so iso-dependent. I’d also re-think auto-adding Melo to crunch time line ups or at least try to get Bazemore in on D as much as possible. Melo is a gamer, love what he brings but we need a little more D than he’s capable of. Its also telling that nobodies solution is more THT who, like Kent, has seemingly fallen off a cliff in terms of confidence. We’re going to need THT to play if he’s going to get traded and we’re going to need Kent on down the line. The solution can come from within but a more than a starting line up adjustment is what it’ll take, I think. Still, not a bad place to start (no pun intended)
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Thanks, Jamie. Just saw that Frank is sticking with the same starting lineup despite acknowledging that Jordan’s and Bradley’s numbers aren’t good and the team is looking at every option available to turn things around. Sounds like Frank has given up and is going to go out playing his style of basketball even if it costs the Lakers the season and him his job.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
I had an epiphany watching LeBron James play small ball center in the Lakers’ overtime victory over the Pacers Wednesday night. Could LeBron James’ ultimate position with the Lakers be as a stretch five center?
I’ve long been a fan of LeBron at the five since he became a Laker and, after my epiphany, immediately thought of a Western Conference Finals between the Lakers with LeBron at the five and the Warriors with Dray at the five. Watching LeBron calling out opponent’s plays and directing the Lakers switching and rotating small ball defense reminded me of how Draymond continues to do the exact same thing for the suddenly resurgent Warriors.
We heard a lot about moving LeBron to the four and AD to the five with the arrival of Westbrook but there are also solid reasons for the Lakers to seriously consider James starting at the five and Davis remaining at the four. While out-of-the-box, the idea of inverting LeBron and AD is not illogical. LeBron is 6′ 9″ and probably 260 pounds while AD is 6′ 11″ and 250 pounds. The difference is one player loves to physically bang and the other does not.
The Lakers want a center who’s more of a power than a finesse player. That’s a description that applies more to LeBron than to AD. LeBron’s low center of gravity and physicality makes him a better center candidate. In the wake of my epiphany about LeBron ending his Lakers’ career as a small ball stretch five, it’s obvious the simple solution is to leave AD playing his preferred power forward position and start LeBron’s evolution to the five.
The Lakers can begin by playing LeBron at the five for six-minute stints at the end of the first and third quarters, where LA struggles. LeBron at the five surrounded by four 3-point shooters can help the Lakers win those quarters. LeBron’s also more engaged when he’s playing the five and doesn’t take off plays defensively like he does at the three or four. Instead, he calls out the other team’s plays and directs his own players where to be and what to do.
In some ways, playing the five could also be less work for LeBron. Unlike AD and most of the Lakers, LeBron does a great job boxing out and rebounding when he plays the five. That’s why the five might be LeBron’s ideal position. LeBron at the five also lets AD play his preferred power forward position where he can roam, lurk in the paint, and use his elite shot blocking as a help defender and let LeBron handle the physical banging of playing the five.
Most NBA players move up a position as they get older and less mobile. Small forwards become power forwards and power forwards evolve into small ball centers as their careers end. It’ll be the same for LeBron. We’re starting to see LeBron settle for step-back threes and one-legged fadeaway twos in the paint rather than ferociously attacking the rim like he did in his prime. Part of it is the defenses but part of it is LeBron evolving.
It’s almost as if LeBron himself sees center as his ultimate position as he finishes his Lakers’ career and wants to make sure to mold his bully ball and 3-point shooting skills to become the modern version of an elite NBA center. LeBron James will be 38 when his current two year Lakers’ extension ends in 2023. If he signs another two-year extension, LeBron could continue to play for the Lakers through the 2025 season, when he will turn 40-years old.
The Lakers should start regularly playing LeBron James at the five right now. LeBron’s maximum championship window is five more years: three years left on his current extension and a second two-year extension until he’s 40. LeBron’s goal with four rings is to tie or beat MJ’s six rings. That would mean winning at least two more championship rings in purple and gold out of a maximum of five possible Laker seasons. Evolving to play center will help.
Sometimes life gives you glimpses of the future that feel like epiphanies you should have seen before. That’s what LeBron at the five feels like to me. It might not happen until his next Lakers contract but it’s going to happen.
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We got killed on the boards because Len is a true center who does true center things well. I see it working in specific scenarios
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Lakers been outrebounded and outscored in the paint so badly when they go small with Anthony Davis at the five that Frank Vogel has reverted to starting DeAndre Jordan at center. They obviously need to get bigger.
The Lakers have three options to get bigger. They could wait for 6′ 8″ 36-year old Trevor Ariza to get healthy or they could trade some combination of Horton-Tucker, Nunn, and filler for a stretch center or bigger 3&D wing. Considering his age and they haven’t even seen him play yet, the Lakers aren’t going to be content to wait for Ariza. They know they need to make a big trade to fix the roster imbalance Westbrook and injuries have wrought.
There are several reasons why trading for a stretch center might be better than trading for a small forward, including that it would modernize the Lakers’ game while allowing LeBron and AD to stay at the three and four. Trading for a center would allow Vogel to play his preferred two bigs and have an elite center who could space the floor and protect the rim on the court for 48 minutes of each game. That would transform the Lakers.
Meanwhile, trading for a bigger (6′ 7″ to 6′ 9″) 3&D wing would still require the Lakers to play small ball with LeBron James at the four and Anthony Davis at the five. I suspect Vogel may be lobbying to trade for a second big. Which way the Lakers ultimately go will be determined by which player they’re able to make a deal for. Every team needs bigger 3&D wings so the Lakers just might have better luck trading for a modern two-way center.
Here are three modern center trade targets who can stretch the floor and protect the rim and have the two-way versatility to play big or small. Adding one of them would immediately make the Lakers bigger and better.
1. PACERS’ MYLES TURNER
25-Years Old. 6′ 11,” 250 lb center. 2-Yrs, $17.5M.
Averaging 12.7/7.5/1.1/3.0. Shooting 52.3/40.4/69.8%.Trading for Myles Turner should be the Lakers top priority once all of their players will be eligible to be traded on January 15th. There is no other player now on the trade market who could match the impact Turner could have.
Myles’ 40% 3-point shooting and league best rim protection would upgrade Lakers at both ends. He would allow Vogel to play his preferred two bigs, Anthony Davis his preferred four, and LeBron James his preferred three. There’s a chance the Lakers’ experiment with Davis at the four may be over. While LA could still trade for a 3&D wing, the smarter move in the end could be to do what’s natural and go big by trading for Myles Turner.
The beauty of trading for Turner is he lets the Lakers to play big or small. Imagine a Lakers’ front court with the NBA’s #1 and #3 best shot blockers, both of whom can stretch the floor with the three or attack the rim. The Lakers have an opportunity to solidify what has been an rotating door at center the last three years. While centers may not be valued as much as they once were, Turner could be the catalyst that transforms the Lakers.
The Lakers should trade anybody on the roster other than James or Davis to acquire Turner, starting with a package of THT, Nunn, and whatever else Indy wants. Turner is the best solution to fix the Lakers’ size problems.
2. ROCKETS’ CHRISTIAN WOOD
26-Years Old. 6/ 9,” 214 lb center. 2-Yrs, $13.6M.
Averaging 15.5/11.0/2.4/0.9. Shooting 44.4/32.1/54.8%Christian Wood is the same age as Myles Turner but was a late developer who’s played in less than half of Turner’s 400 NBA games. He’s potentially a better scorer and rebounder than Turner but not as good a shot blocker.
Wood’s an impressive talent who has the potential to be a miniature version of Anthony Davis. Offensively, he’s got a great stroke from three and attacks the rim with ferocity and physicality. He’s a better 3-point shooter than 32%. Defensively, he’s not as good a shot blocker but is more athletic than Turner and could develop into the kind of defender who can actually guard five positions. He’s less proven and clearly a bigger risk and reward than Turner.
Like Turner, Wood would give the Lakers the ability to play big or small. And for the version of small they play to be a total aberration of name small ball. We’re talking about a very big, fast, and athletic team playing small ball. The Lakers may end up trading for a big 3&D wing but it will likely be because that’s the best deal they could get, not because they really want to go small with AD at the five. Wood is not Turner but he would be a gread add.
And like Turner, Wood adds youth and athleticism as well as size to the Lakers’ starters and roster while allowing Frank to play two bigs, LeBron to stay at the three, and Anthony to play his preferred power forward.
3. MAGIC’S MO BAMBA
23-Years Old. 7′ 0,” 231 lb center. 2-Yrs, $7.5M.
Averaging 11.1/9.2/1.8/2.1. Shooting 45.4/34.1/70.8%.Mo Bamba is having the best season in his young career. At 23, Mo is the youngest of the three stretch center targets. Finally getting a chance to start and play 30 minutes per game, Bamba is finally starting to shine.
Bamba at 23 is the youngest, biggest, and lowest paid of the three stretch centers the Lakers should target at the trade deadline. Like Wood, he’s only played in around 170 NBA games compared to over 400 for Myles Turner. Mo is probably the biggest gamble of the three stretch centers featured in this article but he also would have the least expensive price. For example, the Lakers might be able to get him straight up for Kendrick Nunn or THT.
But like with Turner and Wood, Bamba would give the Lakers the flexibility to play big or small, versatility that’s invaluable in the playoffs. There were questions about Bamba’s motor and work ethic but he now seems to get it. Because he only makes $7.5 million, it’s hard for the Magic to get fair value unless it’s in the form of draft picks, which does not bode well for the Lakers being able to trade for him. The question is what will they give up?
Mo Bamba would be a gamble but fits the mold of the modern NBA center who can stretch the floor and attack the rim on offense and protect the rim and challenge shooters on defense. Low risk, high reward trade target.
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With Frank continuing to play two bigs with DeAndre Jordan and Anthony Davis, I’m continuing my campaign for Rob Pelinka to trade for a modern two-way center like Myles Turner, Christian Wood, or Mo Bamba. Not only would one of these three players solve the Lakers’ size dilemma but they would also allow LA to play big or small, which could be a key advantage in the playoffs.
Of the three candidates, I love Turner’s size, shot blocking, and 3-point shooting. He’s the perfect fit alongside LeBron and AD. Lakers would suddenly get much younger and bigger by trading for an elite center than trying to force AD to play the five and LeBron the four. Turner makes them both better at the four and three. This is the team with which Frank Vogel can win it all again.
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So funny you mention Christian Wood almost two years after I mentioned we could have gotten him, Markieff, and DRose for fair market value when Wood was the best 15th man in the league (Sorry Jared Dudley)…
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LakerTom wrote a new post
While the Los Angeles Lakers have seemingly embraced small ball with Anthony Davis at the five, Frank Vogel still likes playing two bigs, especially when one is an inside-out shapeshifter like AD who can play big or small.
We saw Vogel’s love for two bigs Sunday when he started Jordan at center and Davis at power forward, hoping to reverse the trend of the ‘too small’ Lakers getting killed on the boards and losing the points-in-the-paint battle. The Lakers miss having the 6′ 9,” 245 lb Markieff Morris, who combined with 6′ 9,’ 250 lb LeBron James, and 6′ 10,” 253 lb Anthony Davis to anchor the bully ball version of small-ball-on-steroids that won the 2020 championship.
As Vogel works to find lineups that give the Lakers more size, we’re likely to see more games Frank plays two bigs rather than going small with AD at the five. After all, he prefers two bigs and Anthony Davis prefers to play the five. Which raises the question of whether the big move the Lakers should make at the trade deadline should be one designed to allow them to play two bigs while still playing the same five-out offense and rotating pressure defense.
Here are ten reasons why the Lakers’ top priority at the trade deadline should be trade for Pacers’ center Myles Turner, who would dramatically improve the Lakers short-term and long-term chances to win more championships.
- Better Rim Protection. Combining Myles Turner, #1 with 3.1 blocks per game, with Anthony Davis, #3 with 2.3 blocks per game, would enable the Lakers to have an elite shot blocker in the game for all 48 minutes.
- Better Perimeter Defense. An elite shot blocker on the court all the time would enable the Lakers’ perimeter defenders to pressure the ball more aggressively knowing there always was a rim protector backing them up.
- Better Rebounding. Great defensive stops usually end by securing the rebound and adding 6′ 11,” 250 lb Myles Turner, who’s averaging a career best 7.5 rebounds per game, including 1.5 on the offensive end.
- Better Floor Spacing. Myles Turner’s 42.2% on 4.4 threes per game would provide critical spacing for LeBron, AD, and Russ to attack the paint and get to the rim. 51.6% of Turner’s shots are from three.
- Better Vertical Gravity. One of weapons the Lakers miss from their championship season are the dunks off lobs to McGee and Howard. 48.8% of Turner’s shots are 2-pointers and 21,6% dunks at the rim.
- AD Plays the Four. Allowing Anthony Davis to play his preferred power forward position is one of the biggest benefits of trading for Turner. Two stretch fives who can also attack and protect the rim is a big advantage.
- LeBron Plays the Three. Looking at how LeBron is playing this year, the Lakers might be better off with him playing the three, where he can be more of a point forward and 3-point shooter, than banging at the four.
- Team Gets Bigger. Frank likes size and adding Turner at stretch five adds more size and versatility than a comparable small or power forward. Can’t get bigger than LeBron, AD, and Myles at the three, four, and five.
- Team Gets Younger. At 25, Myles Turner is three years younger than Anthony Davis and gives the Lakers a dynamic young center to pair with AD once LeBron James has retired. Suddenly, Lakers are younger.
- Avoid Losing Free Agents. A Turner trade could cost Horton-Tucker, who at 20-years old is still a year or two away from stardom, and Nunn and Monk, for whom we lack Bird rights and would lose in free agency.
While the simpler solution for the Lakers would be to trade for a bigger (6′ 6″ to 6′ 9″) 3&D wing to supplement Ariza, trading instead for a shot blocking stretch five like Myles Turner has a bigger upside for Lakers’ championships.
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Watching Frank start DeAndre Jordan at center with AD at the four again, I can’t help feeling the best route for the Lakers to get bigger is to trade for Myles Turner. Having Davis and Turner anchoring the four and five.
It not only means the Lakers could open and close games and halves with TWO shot blockers but also that they could have at least one of the top three rim protectors in the game 48 minutes.
It also means the Lakers could open and close games and halves with a stretch four and a stretch five on the court and could have a stretch five at center for all 48 minutes of the game.
Myles leads the lead with 3.1 blocks per game and is shooting 42.2% on 4.4 threes per game. He will allow Frank Vogel to play his preferred two bigs, Anthony Davis to play his preferred power forward position, and LeBron James to stay at the three as well as playing point forward when Russ is on the bench.
Turner is the player the Lakers need to target instead of a bigger small forward or power forward. He is the perfect fit to take the Lakers small-ball-on-steroids lineups to the next level as the Lakers evolve into a modern NBA juggernaut.
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They have three young players in THT, Nunn, and Monk who have good value, especially since everybody is seeing how well players traded to the Lakers have become when they’re not playing behind two superstars.
Could another team offer a better package than the Lakers? Sure but most teams are not looking for centers making $17M per year. Center is where they save money to spend on point guards and wings, who demand the biggest salaries.
So I think Lakers will have less competition going after Turner than going after Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes. Should they check those options out? Of course, but none can bring to the Lakers what Turner can.
Lakers need to make a big move. I’ll be happy if they do but would prefer a stretch five, rim protecting center over a big small forward or stretch four.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The trade for Russ forced the Lakers to go all-in on small ball with AD at the five. Unfortunately, the Lakers’ current version of small ball can’t protect the rim and is getting killed on the boards and outscored in the paint.
The problem with the Lakers’ small ball lineups is they are simply ‘too small.’ Opposing teams are hunting their undersized guards and small forwards and scoring at will in the restricted area and physically dominating at both ends. The Lakers hope in the short term to weather the storm until Trevor Ariza returns from injury in early December and then probably make a trade at the deadline to bring in a bigger 3&D wing player to supplement Ariza.
The question the Lakers need to be asking themselves right now is what move will help make the Russell Westbrook experiment work? It may be time for Rob Pelinka and the Lakers’ front office to think outside of the box.
Why Lakers Should Trade for Myles Turner Instead of Small Forward
The Lakers’ version of small-ball-on-steroids works because size, length, athleticism, and physicality matter in the NBA as long as you don’t lose skill and speed in the process. That’s why Lakers’ small-ball-on-steroids works.
For Westbrook to work with LeBron and AD, the Lakers need to get bigger, which is why Frank Vogel had earlier reintroduced the idea of playing two bigs together and then experimented with it again last night against Detroit. But there’s another route to getting even bigger that could ultimately be better for the Lakers than relying on Ariza or a trying to trade for a bigger 3&D wing, which is what every team in the league is also trying to do.
Instead of pursuing a bigger 3&D wing to play small forward, why not pursue a dynamic young two-way center like Myles Turner who would give the Lakers the rim protector they need and the stretch five they’ve coveted. Vogel could then play his preferred two bigs, Davis his preferred power forward , and James his preferred small forward. You could argue James, Davis, and Turner could be the best front court trio in the league.
Trading for Turner would give the Lakers better rim protection and enable their perimeter defenders to more closely defend the 3-point line. More importantly, the move would make the Lakers a better more versatile team. They could go big or small, play outside-in with 5-out sets to open lanes for LeBron, AD, and Russ to attack the rim, or play inside-out with Turner and Davis as a two-big twin towers set that can dominate the paint and glass.
The Lakers should double down on their small-ball-on-steroids lineup by trading for Myles Turner instead of a small forward. Turner would make them a more dangerous offensive team and more potent defensive team.
How Lakers Trading for Myles Turner Will Help Russell Westbrook
The reason the Lakers should pursue Myles Turner instead of trading for a bigger 3&D wing player is adding a stretch center will make their critical small-ball-on-steroids lineups and Russell Westbrook experiment work.
Not only will the move give the Lakers better rim protection, perimeter defense, rebounding, floor spacing, and vertical gravity at the rim, it would also allow the Lakers to have an elite shot blocker on the court at all times. Playing Myles Turner and Anthony Davis at the same time would put a lid on the basket at the start and end of games for the Lakers and guarantee elite shot blocking and rim protection for all 48 minutes of every single game.
Offensively, having two modern centers capable of stretching the court with 3-point shooting or putting pressure on the rim with with vertical gravity as lob and dunk threats will transform both the Lakers’ offense and defense. Being able to play Vogel’s favored two bigs lineups while still being able to create spacing to attack the rim will transform the Lakers ‘too small’ small ball lineups into versatile and unstoppable small-ball-on-steroids lineups.
Trading for Myles Turner will elevate the Lakers into a juggernaut at both ends of the court. It’s the key to unleashing Russell Westbrook at the one and allowing LeBron and AD to play their preferred three and four positions. Adding Turner is also another dagger into the heart of the Lakers’ struggle figuring out how to win the frustrating non-LeBron James minutes that have been the team’s Achilles Heel since signing the King three seasons ago.
The Lakers need to go all-in on making the Russell Westbrook experience work and trading for Myles Turner is the smart move to turn their ‘too small’ small ball lineups into more versatile small-ball-on-steroids lineups.
What Would the Lakers Have to Give Up to Trade for Myles Turner?
After three seasons of rent-a-centers and frustration over AD not wanting to play the five, it’s time for the Lakers to stabilize the center position by trading for an elite two-way center like Myles Turner at the trade deadline.
With the Pacers having to break up their twin towers of Turner/Sabonis, the Lakers should offer Indiana a package that includes young studs Talen Horton-Tucker and Kendrick Nunn and veteran center DeAndre Jordan. Turner will be in demand so the Lakers may have to include a future first round pick or another promising young player like Malik Monk to beat other teams’ offers but it’s the right move to make to optimize LeBron’s window.
Another important benefit of the trade is that it fixes the Lakers’ roster imbalance between bigs and smalls and opens up two roster spots for major upgrades via another trade at the deadline or pickup in the buyout market. Here’s what the Lakers’ starting lineup and depth chart would look after trading young guards Talen Horton-Tucker and Kendrick Nunn and veteran center DeAndre Jordan to the Indiana Pacers for center Myles Turner:
PG: WESTBROOK, Monk, Rondo,
SG: REAVES, Ellington, Bradley
SF: JAMES, Bazemore
PF: DAVIS, Anthony, Ariza
CE: TURNER, HowardTrading for Turner would give the Lakers a dramatically stronger starting lineup at both ends of the court, solid backups at all five positions, and room to take advantage of other opportunities to upgrade the end of the roster.
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Watching Frank Vogel starting DeAndre Jordan and returning to his two bigs starting lineup has convinced me that the Lakers should go all-in on small-ball-on-steroids and trade for the Pacers’ center Myles Turner, who would give Los Angeles the league’s top shot blocker who is also shooting over 4 0% from deep. He is the perfect rim protector and floor stretcher the Lakers need to turbo charge their small ball lineups.
There is no move for a small forward that could match the benefits that trading THT, Nunn, and Jordan for Turner would bring. Better rim protection, rebounding, interior and perimeter defense, floor stretching, vertical gravity for lobs and dunks, offensive rebounds and put backs. Lakers can go big or small with multiple effective lineups. They can have an elite rim protector on the court for all 48 minutes.
The Lakers have often showed interest in Turner and it’s become obvious that Myles and Sabonis won’t work so I’m hoping the Lakers’ front office will see the writing on the wall with respect to AD, LeBron, and Frank questioning the AD at the five move. The logical result would be the Lakers bringing in an elite stretch five who can protect the rim. If they can’t acquire Turner, I would then try for Christian Wood, who is too old for what is turning into a uber rebuilding mode by the Rockets that will make Wood expendable.
Lakers need to get bigger so why not go all the way with a Turner and Davis super front court?
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Pacers are not going to make that trade Tom. It may work in the trade machine and I like our guys, but our guys are not what they need. They are set in the back court with Brogden, Duarte and Levert. They lack depth at the 3 and Sabonis is their only PF. They can do better, plus we have no 1st rounders we can trade for several years. Turner is a quality player. There are several teams with better trade assets.The Warriors have been mentioned and they have players that are better fits and draft picks available. There is always the question of resigning Nunn, Indy isn’t exactly free agent paradise.
Now one of your trade targets that could make sense is Cam Reddish. Although Hunter is out for 2 months for the Hawks. The Hawks do not have a back up for Trae. Nunn would be a perfect fit. Lou Will is washed and only playing 12 minutes. The only problem is the Hawks may not be able to resign Nunn because of Salary cap. But if the Hawks get back into the play off hunt they maybe okay with that considering what the will have to pay Reddish.
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There will definitely be teams who appreciate what Myles brings to a team with his rim protection and 3-point shooting but I still think the Lakers need to go all-in to get him. If that fails, I would turn to Christian Wood or even consider Kelly Olynyk.
I’m hoping THT and Nunn will increase their values as future stars. If necessary, I would even throw in Monk since we likely will not be able to re-sign him this summer since we don’t have his or Nunn’s Bird rights. Need to flip them at the deadline for player under contract beyond next summer.
Most NBA teams don’t respect what an elite center can bring to the table or don’t view Turner or any center as worth $17 million per year. I think if the Lakers went after him, they could land him.
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I also like Cam Reddish or Jerami Grant but I think the price to land either of them would be greater than what it would cost to land Myles Turner. Bigger 3&D wings are the gold coins of the NBA now. Non-superstar centers are not considered worth big money.
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This one of the few trade target’s you’ve consistently pursued that I agree with. May take a little more grease than we have, though. Indy is either going to start tanking or start winning. If it goes full tank that means they’ll want picks. Might have to look at adding OKC and sending them Nunn and getting them to send back a player of equivalent salary that’s not in the rotation and one of their eleventy billion draft picks.
At any rate, Turner is such a perfect fit for us I also think another team would outbid us just to stop it from happening if he would also help them in the doing. There ought to be a lot of competition for his services, if Indy is even looking to move him
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Turner would be perfect fit for the Lakers. He would also give us a great 4/5 tandem that’s 28 and 25 years old and can keep us competitive once LeBron James retires. This is a move the Lakers need to make. It would stun the league and elevate the Lakers to dynasty territory. Hope you’re paying attention, Rob.
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My argument isn’t about fit. He would be great. It’s staying realistic. Which I know isn’t fun for a fan blog. But our trade pieces would be redundant. They need front line help, not back court. Plus’s our lack draft capital makes it even more unlikely. There are teams that could use him with more to offer. The Warriors had talks with the Pacers at last years trade deadline, this summer and there were rumors as late as a week or so ago of a conversation. The Warriors could offer a package centered around of Kuminga. The kid is a combo forward that looks like the real deal. They have draft picks and other young players. If the Warriors to swing a trade it will definitely be bad news for us.
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While I agree with you , if DJ and Bradley were our only problems then we would be winning more games. DJ and Bradley only played 11 and 12 minutes respectively and neither were on the floor in the 4th when we blew the lead or in the overtimes. For me the main problems are two fold. first our offense is basically a playground pick up offense. there are almost no plays run. and second there is an a lack of energy and intensity that quite frankly i havent seen from a proffessional basketball team. Last night Malik was the hottest guy on the team and they couldnt find one shot for him in 3 overtimes. this is on the coaches. Lebron was gassed and settled for 3’s. one wonders if Frank is affraid to step on Lebrons toes. well if he doesnt start to run a offense he wont make it to the end of the season.