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While Frank Vogel may have been the right coach to lead the Lakers to the championship in the bubble, he might not be the right man for the job since LA traded for Russ, which forced them to go small with AD at the five.
Concerns Vogel might not be the right coach to guide the Lakers through a metamorphosis from an old school two-bigs team to a modern small-ball team were likely the reason the Lakers only gave Frank a 1-year extension. While injuries and a roster imbalance have been issues, we’re now seeing how Frank Vogel’s ‘old school’ philosophies and strong defensive bias could ultimately make him a poor fit as head coach of an evolving Lakers team.
The Lakers front office made specific decisions the last two offseasons to upgrade the team’s offense, especially prioritizing 3-point shooting. It was understood this would inevitably involve swapping defense for offense. While Vogel’s a defensive genius, he’s never been known for his expertise as an offensive guru or innovative coach who knows how to fix offenses. Unfortunately, he’s going to have to rapidly evolve offensively to survive.
This is the modern NBA and Vogel’s unapologetic bias on defense may not be what the Lakers want after the Russell Westbrook trade. They need a coach who creates lineups based on net ratings not just defensive ratings.
How Vogel Went From NBA Championship to Coaching Hot Seat
It seems unfair and surprising that Frank Vogel could be on the coaching hot seat a little over a year after his Lakers won the championship in the bubble in Orlando but the trade for Russ changed everything for Frank.
The Westbrook trade essentially forced the Lakers to commit to small ball with Anthony Davis at the five. Just as trading for Russ required AD to sacrifice and move to the five, it also required Vogel to evolve as a coach. Evolving to embrace a more modern style of play with a balance between offense and defense has not been an easy challenge for Frank to make, especially when injuries have ravaged his rotations and size at the three.
After getting killed on the boards and outscored in the paint playing small to start games and halves, Vogel reverting to starting two bigs like in the Lakers championship season. Unfortunately, the two-big lineups struggled. Vogel’s fascination with two-bigs and reluctance to play shooters over defenders has become an obstacle to the Lakers winning on the court. The earlier concerns Frank might not be the right coach now seem prescient.
This is not the same team that won the 2020 Championship and the path to NBA Finals is more difficult than their gold paved road in the bubble. Vogel’s stubborn refusal to start Davis at the five has derailed the Lakers. The Lakers don’t have time for any more senseless experiments at center like the quarter of a season it took Vogel to finally bench DeAndre Jordan or another 10 games to confirm starting Dwight Howard is not the answer.
The Westbrook trade was made knowing Anthony Davis would have to move to the five and the Lakers would have to acquire and play multiple 3-point shooters for the LeBron, AD, and Russ superstar big three to work. For Vogel to revert back to two-big lineups rather than working to improve the rebounding and points-in-the-paint differential of the small ball lineups threw a massive monkey wrench into the Lakers post-Russ strategies.
What Vogel does the next few weeks could determine whether he remains head coach of the Lakers. For certain, he cannot survive putting out starting lineups with no 3-point shooters like he did against the Clippers.
What Vogel Needs to Do to Save His Job as Lakers’ Head Coach?
As the Lakers evolve into a more offensive oriented small ball team, Frank Vogel is also going to have to evolve as a basketball coach and embrace modern basketball if he wants to save his job as the Lakers head coach.
There’s a formula for winning with LeBron James, which is to surround him with elite 3-point shooters so he has space on the court to attack the basket. It’s a proven formula Frank Vogel seems to have completely forgotten. The Lakers’ offense has been so handicapped all season long by Vogel’s inane starting lineups that lack shooters to create spacing and play right into the hands of the opposing teams’ defenses by making it easy to pack the paint.
Specifically, Frank Vogel needs to make the following five major adjustments to his coaching philosophy and offensive and defensive strategies to evolve as a basketball coach and prove he is still the right coach for the LA Lakers:
- Embrace the roster you have and the direction the Lakers have to go due to the Westbrook trade. You surely agreed to the trade. It’s time to stop trying to play two bigs and embrace AD at the five.
- Prioritize starting and rotation lineups with a balance between offense and defense. Defense only lineups won’t work. Instead build lineups based on players’ net ratings instead of just their defensive ratings.
- Stagger shooters in the same way as you stagger playmakers and superstars. The goal should be to always have two shooters, two playmakers, and two superstars on the court 48 minutes per game.
- Adjust your defensive philosophy to match the skillsets of your personnel. Switch everything whenever Monk, Melo, and Ellington are involved. Fight over picks whenever it’s Westbrook, Bradley, or THT.
- Realize you need to evolve as a coach as the Lakers evolve as a team to continue to be their best option as a head coach. And for the Westbrook trade to work, you need to adjust rather than resist as the head coach.
If Vogel is going to save his job as Lakers’ head coach, he’s going to have evolve his coaching philosophy and embrace a balance between offense and defense that is a better fit not only for this roster but also the modern game. It’s actually a blessing that the Lakers have three full days before they play the Celtics next Tuesday night at what will by then be Crypto.Com Arena as it will give Frank and his coaching staff a chance to rethink what they’re doing.
Whom Vogel starts against the Celtics may tell us where this season is headed. If Vogel starts the same Russ, THT, LeBron, AD, and Dwight lineup with no quality 3-point shooters, calls to replace him will explode.
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1) Embrace the roster you have and the direction the Lakers have to go due to the Westbrook trade. You surely agreed to the trade. It’s time to stop trying to play two bigs and embrace AD at the five.
-I’m not so certain he did. Like I said awhile back: this started with a dinner and moved to Rob’s frontier. While I’m sure Frank was consulted I think it’s a big jump to move to a he embraced or agreed the trade observation. To be absolutely honest, Rob talks a lot about involving AD and LBJ in his discussions but a lot less in regards to the coach.2) Prioritize starting and rotation lineups with a balance between offense and defense. Defense only lineups won’t work. Instead build lineups based on players’ net ratings instead of just their defensive ratings.
– I think he’s tried to but, again, this is in many ways AD and LBJ’s team. The offense runs through them, the plays and actions are one’s that involve them and as a shooter or whatever your job is to get open and maybe you’ll get a pass and maybe you won’t but if you do take the shot, if you’re mostly open and please don’t try to think too much after all of the above.3) Stagger shooters in the same way as you stagger playmakers and superstars. The goal should be to always have two shooters, two playmakers, and two superstars on the court 48 minutes per game.
-While I know you didn’t mean play 6 guys it does kind of read like that. Again, assuming Russ, AD and LBJ are going to start and close games (they are and they will, there is no need to craft a post considering benching Westbrook in crunch time because that is, essentially, signaling the throwing in of the towel) we’re talking about 20-ish minutes of basketball. Given the limitations of the roster (Ellington, THT, Monk, Bazemore and Melo are our best shooters but also some of our worst defenders and not a one of them is a good rebounder, Bradley checks all the Vogel boxes and I assume his inclusion on the roster was at the behest of Vogel and yes I realize AB is not an elite three point shooter) it’s quite fair to ask which of the above can actually achieve the goal you laid out? Let’s say that both Nunn and Ariza come on board and play at about the same level of impact that the rest of the guys have had. That being a high degree of variance in the quality of their games on any given night. Since not one of them has established anything other than being inconsistent I feel this is an unreasonable ask. If you want Frank to pick the two guys he wants to play it’s going to be Bradley and THT simply because he knows them, they know his defense. This also kind of ignores the rebounding issue and points in the paint since, if we have 2 shooters alongside LBJ and AD and Russ that likely means no center other than AD or LBJ and they’re not ever going to play like a center ought to. The offense might improve but will it improve to a degree that compensates for all the other deficiencies it brings up? I don’t think it does. I think a smarter solution is work with LeBron, Russ and the shooters and figure out where they like to shoot from. I’ve given up on seeing this team run complex actions in the flow of the game, we barely do it on out of bounds plays. We need to get the 2 guys who run the offense to put the shooters we have in the best position to succeed.4) Adjust your defensive philosophy to match the skillsets of your personnel. Switch everything whenever Monk, Melo, and Ellington are involved. Fight over picks whenever it’s Westbrook, Bradley, or THT.
-I think we’ve seen this to the extent that we can given the place we are in the season. We can’t go back and redo training camp so you’re talking about over-hauling what has already been established. These guys aren’t all high IQ guys, vet status doesn’t mean you learn well on the fly. In all honesty i think the switch everything philosophy for us makes less sense, we already have a propensity to leave the wrong guy open or let dribble penetration break us down. I’d rather see us use more zones and surprise doubles on ball. We need to maybe tweak the tools they already have as we won’t have a ton of time to both integrate the injured guys, revamp the defense and figure out how to make the offense work in-season effectively.5) Realize you need to evolve as a coach as the Lakers evolve as a team to continue to be their best option as a head coach. And for the Westbrook trade to work, you need to adjust rather than resist as the head coach.
-Again I think Frank really has done as much as he can. The one thing I question is when he takes both LBJ and Russ out at the same time. I don’t get that. He tried AD at the 5, didn’t work well. It’s not Frank’s fault we’re under-sized, he can’t coach little guys to just play bigger. It’s not Frank’s fault we chose not to retain Caruso or any other role-player who was part of an elite defense. In essence, Frank can’t just coach around the team he was provided which is why I blame Rob far more than Frank. While I’m sure the coach in essence signed off on the roster, the job of assembly falls on the front office. it’s not like Frank is Phil, right? Or even LeBron James or AD all of whom possess more gravity and respect than does Frank Vogel.At the end of the day we can’t go back and make the roster healthier, younger or taller. We’re a small, old team by design. There is no coaching that out of the Lakers this season so the best Frank can do is tweak what they have and hope something clicks. I think he’s been doing that and what i want is actually to give some of those things a little more time to flourish and work out. If we’re going to go AD at the 5 to start games then let’s just do it and call it done, no more tinkering. But that would work better with a banger at the 4 and not Melo who will be around the 3 point line when the shot goes up. We desperately need somebody to box out on a consistent basis. That’s not any of the superstars or shooters. It’s not going to be Ariza, either who is tall but lanky. You brought up how letting Morris go was a mistake and I agree with that.
We also need a better deterrent at the rim than AD is. He’ll block his shot or three/game but that’s three shots out of dozens and dozens. he’s not stopping anyone from getting to the rim and the floater is more prevalent now than ever. We need to force jump shots, bad ones, and we are not doing that at all. We play right into analytics 101 by giving up threes and paint points. That starts on the perimeter and we have below average defenders out there. So maybe a zone works better in some instances, maybe switching everything works in others, but really it’s a pride thing: man up and play some gawdamn defense, guys.
I have many issues with Frank but, in my opinion, Rob should be on more of a hot seat along with ownership because they cheaped out and Rob couldn’t push them off that ledge and commit to fielding a true winner as opposed to the three musketeers and their band of aged merry-makers.
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Jamie.
I can’t disagree with you that Rob should also be on the hot seat. Unfortunately, we all know it doesn’t work that way. I also agree that LeBron’s presence – as well as AD’s and Russ’ complicates everything. Not an easy situation for Frank.
I’m confident that Frank was involved in the decision. Rob’s not dumb and I’ve sent a career working in collaborative consensus management teams. The goal in the end is everybody getting on the same page despite their original doubts and concerns. Frank fell in line like every good soldier does when the process is good and I think the Lakers are a well-run organization. Doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes that some regret more than others but you can’t run an organization well without compromise.
And compromise is what Frank is going to have to do to survive as Lakers’ head coach because he has to find a way to make AD at the five work even without Ariza. That’s his job. If he can’t do it, it will likely cost him his job. Problem is the roster he was hired to coach at first has now changed and he may not be the right coach any longer. That’s up to him to prove. Right now, I think he can do it but he will have to accept that he needs to evolve as a head coach.
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Aloha Tom, I tried to respond earlier but it never posted. It doesn’t matter because Jamie and you covered a lot of what I was going to say. What is the most frustrating for me is when one of the big 3 rests. I can understand the difficulty in involving the others when the big 3 are on the court together but when one rests we still are not including the others in the action enough. The first 5 or 6 minutes of each half are important but there is a lot more game in between and that’s where we are really dropping the ball. Currently he big 3 are taking over 15 3’s a game. LeBron is shooting.337, Russ is .320 and AS is .188. Those 3 are killing us with those percentages not only on offense but in transition defense. The flip side is Wayne and Monk are getting around the 10 that Kuz and KCP got combined. Monks shooting slightly better then Kuz and Wayne slightly less then KCP. Considering the defense we lost with those two it’s been a real net negative so far. If we are going to make up for the lost defense, those two have to get more looks. I do believe once Trevor gets back we will see less of Dwight and DJ and more of AD at the 5. Still it won’t matter as much if we can’t get the others more involved. The give it to a star and get out of the way will not get us another ring.
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One more thing I forgot. When you add in Melo our 3 best 3 point shooters are getting only one more 3 point shot then Russ, LeBron and AD are. That’s not going to cut it.
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Aloha, Michael.
Great post that highlighted a big Lakers problem: our superstar big three are taking too many threes while our best three shooting role players are taking too few threes.
Here’s a Tweet I just posted with the 3-point stats for our three superstars vs. our best 3-point shooting role players: Melo, Monk, and Ellington.
Wrong Lakers Players Are Shooting Threes!
Lakers average 11.7 3PM, 33.6 3PA, & 34.7% 3P%, 14th in NBA. 6 players take 92% of the team's 3's.
Lakers' 3 superstars take 14.8 3's per game.
Should be < 10 3PA PG.Melo, Monk, & Wayne take 16.1 3's per game
Should be > 25 3PA PG. pic.twitter.com/CyoWdJXTE3— LakerTom (@LakerTom) December 7, 2021
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If the Lakers were to adjust their offense to get more shots for Melo, Monk, and Wayne and fewer for Russ, LeBron, and AD like I suggest in my Tweet, how would that affect the Lakers.
Frank needs to address this. LeBron, Russ, and AD are not KD, Harden, and Kyrie. They’re simply below average 3-point shooters. Meanwhile, we have three gunners averaging over 40%. They should take 75% of the threes for this team. That’s 7 or 8 shots per game for each of them and limiting the superstars to 2 each per game.
Suddenly, we’ll start shooting even better than 14th and the superstars will find it easier to get to the rim because of the improved spacing from the improved shooting. It’s how teams that were bad shooting teams become good shooting teams. Create open threes for the guys who can make them.
I think you are spot on about the Vogel needing to prioritize running plays specifically to get threes for Melo, Monk, and Ellington and fewer threes for the Big Three.
It’s crazy that the three players who shoot the best don’t get the most shots. And it’s not like the percentages are close. The shooters are averaging 40% while the superstars just barely beat 30%. Major point, MIchael. Keep hammering it. Thanks.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
One of the most exciting developments this Lakers’ season has been Frank Vogel’s recent small ball lineups with LeBron at the five and Melo at the four, which have shown great promise both offensively and defensively.
Last week I wrote Could the Evolution of LeBron James Be Small Ball Stretch Five for Lakers?Today I want to talk about why the Lakers should start playing more LeBron James at the five, even when AD is in the game. LeBron James is a basketball unicorn who can truly play all five positions. In his storied 19-year career, he has played point guard 6% of the time, shooting guard 7%, small forward 60%, power forward 26%, and center just 1%.
After the success of several lineup experiments with LeBron at the five and Melo at the four, Frank Vogel announced the Lakers will be incorporating variations of the what he calls their ‘centerless lineups’ in their repertoire. The Lakers’ ‘centerless lineup’ with Westbrook, Ellington, Monk, Anthony, and James showed great promise in two of the last three games and variation where Howard replaced James in the lineup was equally promising.
Assuming the Lakers play their ‘centerless lineup’ with LeBron at the five for 6 minutes in the first half and 6 in the second half, LeBron could end up at spending 12 minutes or 30% of his 40 minutes per game playing the five. Considering LeBron’s success at the five and AD’s preference for the four, the obvious next question is whether the Lakers should consider a variation of their ‘centerless lineup’ that has James at the five and Davis at the four?
Could the Lakers truly be an even better team with LeBron James at the five and Anthony Davis at the four? Could LeBron James actually could be the better center and Anthony Davis the better power forward for this team? Nobody sees the game the way LeBron James does and starting his move to what will ultimately be the logical lineup position to finish his career could end up being transformative for the Lakers’ current rotation and lineups.
The Lakers urgently need a catalyst to set a fire to their season and playing LeBron James at the five could be that catalyst. Here are six reasons why the Lakers could be a better team with LeBron James playing the five:
1. LeBron Is the Lakers’ Best Option as a Stretch Five Center
No player on the Lakers is better suited to play stretch five than LeBron. His volume 3-point shooting and low post power game enable him to play small or big. He would become the LA Lakers version of Nikola Jokic.
2. LeBron at Center Excels in Organizing and Directing Defense
LeBron at the five is about defense. It’s about LeBron playing Minister of Defense for the Lakers like Draymond Green does for the Warriors, calling out opponents’ plays and choreographing the Lakers defense shifts.
3. LeBron at Center Is More Engaged and Plays Better Defense
There’s no question playing center gets LeBron James more engaged in the game defensively since he acts like the team’s middle linebacker. The bonus is playing James at the five unleashes LeBron to play superstar level defense.
4. LeBron at Center Does a Better Job Boxing Out and Rebounding
As good as AD is as a rebounder, he rarely boxes out his man. LeBron, on the other hand, is one of the few Lakers who usually do a great job rebounding. Nothing beats LeBron starting a fast break with a rebound.
5. LeBron Has Low Center of Gravity to Defend Bigger Centers
Having a low center of gravity that makes you essentially unmovable is the biggest asset LeBron James has over Anthony Davis. His combination of size, smarts, power, and athleticism enable him to defend any kind of center.
6. LeBron Willingly Plays the Five But AD Prefers the Four
Anthony Davis does not want to play the five. His game is more finesse than power and he prefers to face up his defender rather than post him up. LeBron, on the other hand, loves to post up or shoot threes over centers.
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NBA players usually want to play the position they think best fits what they think of themselves. Some guys are point guards, some are shooting guards, some are wings or small forwards, others power forwards or fours, and finally centers, the forgotten position that despite modernizing itself is still undervalued.
Point guards get paid most, shooting guards the least, centers second least, pulled up by a few highly paid centers. Just look at the mess the Lakers have made of the position the last few years, the money spent was never great, unless you count AD as a five, which I’ve tried to do but more and more it doesn’t seem to fit. AD is not a center, doesn’t want to play center, so be it.
Short of trading for Turner, the Lakers should be looking for LeBron to play center for all of the reasons I detailed above. It could be the catalyst that wakes this team up and gets it to play elite defense again, led by LeBron, whose defensive effort was the key to those ‘centerless lineups’ working so well. When he plays the five, LeBron is truly the ‘center’ of attention.
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Situationally I think it makes tons of sense. Trying to etch anything in stone this season feels foolhardy. There are some teams that this really won’t work for, we get killed on the boards in the LeBron at the 5 minutes and that’s a concern as well. Good tool to keep in the shed and I’m in favor of anything that limits DeAndre Jordan minutes to zero so he can work on his high fives and celebrations. Unleash Dwight.
At any rate, I like that Frank is open to trying things he’s been hesitant to embrace in the past. Outside of creating solid defensive schemes Frank’s shown a decent ability to embrace change. Some things seem resistant to it but even in the last game we saw DAJ benched in favor of more Howard minutes and it paid off in spades. In that game. Nothing works perfectly in every game, in every scenario, against every single team. So having yourself be open to using the tools at hand in the best possible manner is as much as a fan can hope for.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Los Angeles Lakers have a serious problem. The immediate help they need to stop the bleeding in the form of injured players returning or a big trade to give the team more size in the front court aren’t happening soon.
The Lakers problem is their key injured players — Ariza and Nunn — aren’t likely to return until mid-December and their top trading chips — THT and Nunn —cannot be traded until December 15 and January 15 respectively. That means Lakers’ head coach Frank Vogel will have to find a way to survive with the existing roster for at least the 9 games before December 15 and possibly for the 22 games on the Lakers’ schedule before January 15.
While the Lakers aren’t in serious trouble yet, the warning signs are ramping up and unless Frank Vogel makes some major changes, the 10–11 Lakers could easily find themselves 15–15 on December 15 or 22–21 on January 15. Vogel is no novice in the coaching business and should know that having a record close to .500 on December 15 or January 15 could easily cost him his job as head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. Frank is now on hot seat.
At the heart of the Lakers’ problems is Vogel’s starting lineup that included DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley as the two role player starters alongside the three superstars LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Russell Westbrook. While DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley clearly fit what Frank Vogel wants as his starting rim protector and point-of-attack defender, both players have not met expectations and have the team’s two lowest net ratings.
How the Lakers fare over the 9 games before December 15 and the 22 games before January 15 will determine Vogel’s fate. So let’s look at what Frank can do to shake up the rotation, win some games, and save his job.
1. Remove Jordan and Bradley from the Starting Lineup
If the Frank Vogel’s going to survive the 9 games until December 15 or the 22 games before January 15th, he’s going to have to replace DeAndre Jordan as the starting center and Avery Bradley as the starting shooting guard.
Vogel’s overreaction to the Lakers’ small ball lineups getting killed on the boards and outscored in the paint was to revert back to DeAndre Jordan starting again at center, despite his negative impact on the team’s spacing. Frank paired the Jordan move with Avery Bradley returning to the starting lineup the last two games. Vogel’s justification for making both moves was to increase the size and improve the defense of the starting lineup.
The results of the two games confirm Vogel did get better defense as Jordan’s 101.5 and Bradley’s 102.4 defensive ratings were best on team. Unfortunately, their 85.1 and 91.3 offensive ratings were worst on the team. While starting Jordan and Bradley created better defense, they stifled the team’s offense. Jordan’s -16.4 net rating was lowest and Bradley’s -11.2 third lowest on the team. Vogel needs to admit his mistake and replace both.
It’s one thing for a coach to want an elite defensive team and to demand players play defense if they want to start but Vogel needs to realize this team strategically sacrificed some defense to get much better on offense.
2. Get Creative with Non-Traditional Starting Lineup
Pelinka’s moves combined with untimely injuries have derailed any roster stability the Lakers had hoped for. The best Frank Vogel can hope for now is to replace Jordan and Bradley with starters who can help the team win.
The above small ball lineup with LeBron James at the five and Carmelo Anthony at the four with three guards is a perfect example of the innovative starting lineups Frank Vogel needs to embrace to get the Lakers rolling. Substitute Anthony Davis for Carmelo Anthony and Frank has his starting lineup: Westbrook, Ellington, Monk, James and Davis. Or Davis and James if you want LeBron to play the five. Either way, Melo comes off the bench.
This is not the 2020 bubble championship roster but it has definite strengths that Vogel can rely upon when retooling his starting lineup and rotations. the roster also has its Achilles Heel in that it lacks small forward sized players. Fortunately, the Lakers do have three healthy quality bigs in LeBron James (36 mpg), Anthony Davis (36 mpg), and Dwight Howard (24 mpg) who could cover the 96 minutes of time at power forward and center each game.
After Friday night’s triple overtime loss to the Kings, Vogel will be under intense pressure from the media and fans to remove both Jordan and Bradley from the starting lineups. The Lakers are a team in need of change.
3. Narrow Rotation to Ten Players Maximum
Besides setting his starting lineup going forward, Lakers head coach Frank Vogel needs to narrow his rotation to ten players by setting up the starter and primary backup for each position. The Lakers need rotational stability.
Here’s the Lakers’ projected depth chart:
PG: WESTBROOK, NUNN, Rondo
SG: ELLINGTON, REAVES, Bradley
SF: MONK, THT, Bazemore
PF: DAVIS, ANTHONY, Ariza
CE: JAMES, HOWARD, JordanStarters and primary backups in caps
The problem with Rob Pelinka’s construction of the Lakers’ roster is the obvious lack of size at small forward. While we keep hearing that 6′ 8″ Trevor Ariza is the solution, he has only played power forward the last four years. Frank Vogel needs to realize two bigs is not the answer to the Lakers’ lack of size at the three. That’s a problem the Lakers will have to wait to solve until January 15 when THT and Nunn will both be eligible to be traded.
Meanwhile, Vogel needs to find starting and rotation lineups that can score, defend, and win games with LeBron, AD, and three guards. That’s what his future as the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers will depend upon.
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Aloha Tom,
While I agree with you , if DJ and Bradley were our only problems then we would be winning more games. DJ and Bradley only played 11 and 12 minutes respectively and neither were on the floor in the 4th when we blew the lead or in the overtimes. For me the main problems are two fold. first our offense is basically a playground pick up offense. there are almost no plays run. and second there is an a lack of energy and intensity that quite frankly i havent seen from a proffessional basketball team. Last night Malik was the hottest guy on the team and they couldnt find one shot for him in 3 overtimes. this is on the coaches. Lebron was gassed and settled for 3’s. one wonders if Frank is affraid to step on Lebrons toes. well if he doesnt start to run a offense he wont make it to the end of the season.
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Aloha, Michael.
There’s no doubt multiple contributors to our problems but that doesn’t mean you don’t immediately address the low hanging fruit such as two starters who are so poor on offense that the Lakers lose ground despite their defense. Replacing DJ and Bradley is the logical starting point. Roll out a lineup with some firepower and win those first and third quarters.
We have multiple problems but the way you attack those is one at a time. Replace the two non-productive players on the starting lineup, while not the entire solution, is right now the most important. They represented 23 minutes at the start of each half for a team that’s struggled in the first and third quarters. Replace DJ and AB and then work on the other rotation lineups. Don’t just quit and run back to the safety of your old school two bigs. Thast’s what pisses me off most.
As starters the last two games, Dj contributed 4 points per game and Bradley 1 point per game. Replacing them with Monk and Ellington at least give us a chance to compete. I could even see Reaves replacing Bradley if Frank wants better defense but his panicked moves back to two bigs is undermining any chance we have of making AD at the five work with what Pelinka gave him.
The problem with replacing Pelinka is whether it would make any difference. Like you said, LeBron determines what this team does on the court. I mean LeBron and Russ are probably the two most consistent players in the league when it comes to style of play. Changing coaches is unlikely to change how either plays. And we all know AD controls how he plays. So why make a change other than to just shake things up?
On the other hand, Frank’s old school mentality that prevents him from fully embracing small ball or stretch five centers and his weird fascination with two big lineups with negative net ratings is becoming fatally unavoidable. The lack of innovation offensively is almost criminal with LeBron nearing the end of his career. In the end, that’s what will determine what happens. Frank needs to adjust to the modern game and the roster Pelinka gave him or he will lose his job just like JaVale McGee, Andre Drummond, and DeAndre Jordan have or will lose theirs.
I’m done supporting Frank. If he doesn’t change the starting lineup, Jeanie and Pelinka should fire his ass.
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It’s amazing how in a week Frank Vogel went from secure to being the top NBA head coach candidate to be fired, just a few weeks over a year from when he won the Lakers 17th NBA championship in the bubble in Orlando. I’ve resisted the negativity and continued to support Vogel but his moves to return Jordan and Bradley to the starting lineup are the last straw. Frank needs to throw the towel in on the two bigs lineups and figure out how to get to January 15 as Lakers’ head coach.
Frank Vogel is on the hot seat and needs to change his starting lineup beginning with tonight’s game against the Pistons. His panicked move to revert back to starting lineups with DeAndre Jordan and Avery Bradley was probably the greatest sign of the pressure Frank is feeling because of the imbalanced roster Pelinka gave him and the untimely injuries across the roster.
Jordan and Bradley need to be replaced with Monk and Ellington to give the Lakers enough offensive firepower to win games. A starting lineup of Westbrook, Ellington, Monk, James, and Davis with a 10-player rotation that includes Rondo, Reaves, THT, Anthony, and Howard as primary backups. When Nunn returns, he would replace Rondo as the point guard backup. Ariza will have to prove he can play to break into the 10 man rotation.
Between January 15 and the February 10 trade deadline, the Lakers will need to make moves to either bring in a true starting quality center like Myles Turner or a bigger 3&D wing like Jerami Grant because they cannot win another championship without getting bigger and better as a team.
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Great read Tom, whatever shape it takes I think we all agree that some kind of change is needed. I don’t see Reaves moving ahead of Bradley on the depth chart but would welcome Wayne Ellington and Dwight as starters. Or even just swapping Dwight and DJ’s roles. But, ultimately, I agree with Michael in that the larger culprit is a stagnant offense overly reliant on James who obviously wants to save as much as he can for the playoffs. We need to run through Russ more, not less, in late game scenarios as he involves players more and isn’t so iso-dependent. I’d also re-think auto-adding Melo to crunch time line ups or at least try to get Bazemore in on D as much as possible. Melo is a gamer, love what he brings but we need a little more D than he’s capable of. Its also telling that nobodies solution is more THT who, like Kent, has seemingly fallen off a cliff in terms of confidence. We’re going to need THT to play if he’s going to get traded and we’re going to need Kent on down the line. The solution can come from within but a more than a starting line up adjustment is what it’ll take, I think. Still, not a bad place to start (no pun intended)
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Thanks, Jamie. Just saw that Frank is sticking with the same starting lineup despite acknowledging that Jordan’s and Bradley’s numbers aren’t good and the team is looking at every option available to turn things around. Sounds like Frank has given up and is going to go out playing his style of basketball even if it costs the Lakers the season and him his job.
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I had an epiphany watching LeBron James play small ball center in the Lakers’ overtime victory over the Pacers Wednesday night. Could LeBron James’ ultimate position with the Lakers be as a stretch five center?
I’ve long been a fan of LeBron at the five since he became a Laker and, after my epiphany, immediately thought of a Western Conference Finals between the Lakers with LeBron at the five and the Warriors with Dray at the five. Watching LeBron calling out opponent’s plays and directing the Lakers switching and rotating small ball defense reminded me of how Draymond continues to do the exact same thing for the suddenly resurgent Warriors.
We heard a lot about moving LeBron to the four and AD to the five with the arrival of Westbrook but there are also solid reasons for the Lakers to seriously consider James starting at the five and Davis remaining at the four. While out-of-the-box, the idea of inverting LeBron and AD is not illogical. LeBron is 6′ 9″ and probably 260 pounds while AD is 6′ 11″ and 250 pounds. The difference is one player loves to physically bang and the other does not.
The Lakers want a center who’s more of a power than a finesse player. That’s a description that applies more to LeBron than to AD. LeBron’s low center of gravity and physicality makes him a better center candidate. In the wake of my epiphany about LeBron ending his Lakers’ career as a small ball stretch five, it’s obvious the simple solution is to leave AD playing his preferred power forward position and start LeBron’s evolution to the five.
The Lakers can begin by playing LeBron at the five for six-minute stints at the end of the first and third quarters, where LA struggles. LeBron at the five surrounded by four 3-point shooters can help the Lakers win those quarters. LeBron’s also more engaged when he’s playing the five and doesn’t take off plays defensively like he does at the three or four. Instead, he calls out the other team’s plays and directs his own players where to be and what to do.
In some ways, playing the five could also be less work for LeBron. Unlike AD and most of the Lakers, LeBron does a great job boxing out and rebounding when he plays the five. That’s why the five might be LeBron’s ideal position. LeBron at the five also lets AD play his preferred power forward position where he can roam, lurk in the paint, and use his elite shot blocking as a help defender and let LeBron handle the physical banging of playing the five.
Most NBA players move up a position as they get older and less mobile. Small forwards become power forwards and power forwards evolve into small ball centers as their careers end. It’ll be the same for LeBron. We’re starting to see LeBron settle for step-back threes and one-legged fadeaway twos in the paint rather than ferociously attacking the rim like he did in his prime. Part of it is the defenses but part of it is LeBron evolving.
It’s almost as if LeBron himself sees center as his ultimate position as he finishes his Lakers’ career and wants to make sure to mold his bully ball and 3-point shooting skills to become the modern version of an elite NBA center. LeBron James will be 38 when his current two year Lakers’ extension ends in 2023. If he signs another two-year extension, LeBron could continue to play for the Lakers through the 2025 season, when he will turn 40-years old.
The Lakers should start regularly playing LeBron James at the five right now. LeBron’s maximum championship window is five more years: three years left on his current extension and a second two-year extension until he’s 40. LeBron’s goal with four rings is to tie or beat MJ’s six rings. That would mean winning at least two more championship rings in purple and gold out of a maximum of five possible Laker seasons. Evolving to play center will help.
Sometimes life gives you glimpses of the future that feel like epiphanies you should have seen before. That’s what LeBron at the five feels like to me. It might not happen until his next Lakers contract but it’s going to happen.
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We got killed on the boards because Len is a true center who does true center things well. I see it working in specific scenarios
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The Lakers been outrebounded and outscored in the paint so badly when they go small with Anthony Davis at the five that Frank Vogel has reverted to starting DeAndre Jordan at center. They obviously need to get bigger.
The Lakers have three options to get bigger. They could wait for 6′ 8″ 36-year old Trevor Ariza to get healthy or they could trade some combination of Horton-Tucker, Nunn, and filler for a stretch center or bigger 3&D wing. Considering his age and they haven’t even seen him play yet, the Lakers aren’t going to be content to wait for Ariza. They know they need to make a big trade to fix the roster imbalance Westbrook and injuries have wrought.
There are several reasons why trading for a stretch center might be better than trading for a small forward, including that it would modernize the Lakers’ game while allowing LeBron and AD to stay at the three and four. Trading for a center would allow Vogel to play his preferred two bigs and have an elite center who could space the floor and protect the rim on the court for 48 minutes of each game. That would transform the Lakers.
Meanwhile, trading for a bigger (6′ 7″ to 6′ 9″) 3&D wing would still require the Lakers to play small ball with LeBron James at the four and Anthony Davis at the five. I suspect Vogel may be lobbying to trade for a second big. Which way the Lakers ultimately go will be determined by which player they’re able to make a deal for. Every team needs bigger 3&D wings so the Lakers just might have better luck trading for a modern two-way center.
Here are three modern center trade targets who can stretch the floor and protect the rim and have the two-way versatility to play big or small. Adding one of them would immediately make the Lakers bigger and better.
1. PACERS’ MYLES TURNER
25-Years Old. 6′ 11,” 250 lb center. 2-Yrs, $17.5M.
Averaging 12.7/7.5/1.1/3.0. Shooting 52.3/40.4/69.8%.Trading for Myles Turner should be the Lakers top priority once all of their players will be eligible to be traded on January 15th. There is no other player now on the trade market who could match the impact Turner could have.
Myles’ 40% 3-point shooting and league best rim protection would upgrade Lakers at both ends. He would allow Vogel to play his preferred two bigs, Anthony Davis his preferred four, and LeBron James his preferred three. There’s a chance the Lakers’ experiment with Davis at the four may be over. While LA could still trade for a 3&D wing, the smarter move in the end could be to do what’s natural and go big by trading for Myles Turner.
The beauty of trading for Turner is he lets the Lakers to play big or small. Imagine a Lakers’ front court with the NBA’s #1 and #3 best shot blockers, both of whom can stretch the floor with the three or attack the rim. The Lakers have an opportunity to solidify what has been an rotating door at center the last three years. While centers may not be valued as much as they once were, Turner could be the catalyst that transforms the Lakers.
The Lakers should trade anybody on the roster other than James or Davis to acquire Turner, starting with a package of THT, Nunn, and whatever else Indy wants. Turner is the best solution to fix the Lakers’ size problems.
2. ROCKETS’ CHRISTIAN WOOD
26-Years Old. 6/ 9,” 214 lb center. 2-Yrs, $13.6M.
Averaging 15.5/11.0/2.4/0.9. Shooting 44.4/32.1/54.8%Christian Wood is the same age as Myles Turner but was a late developer who’s played in less than half of Turner’s 400 NBA games. He’s potentially a better scorer and rebounder than Turner but not as good a shot blocker.
Wood’s an impressive talent who has the potential to be a miniature version of Anthony Davis. Offensively, he’s got a great stroke from three and attacks the rim with ferocity and physicality. He’s a better 3-point shooter than 32%. Defensively, he’s not as good a shot blocker but is more athletic than Turner and could develop into the kind of defender who can actually guard five positions. He’s less proven and clearly a bigger risk and reward than Turner.
Like Turner, Wood would give the Lakers the ability to play big or small. And for the version of small they play to be a total aberration of name small ball. We’re talking about a very big, fast, and athletic team playing small ball. The Lakers may end up trading for a big 3&D wing but it will likely be because that’s the best deal they could get, not because they really want to go small with AD at the five. Wood is not Turner but he would be a gread add.
And like Turner, Wood adds youth and athleticism as well as size to the Lakers’ starters and roster while allowing Frank to play two bigs, LeBron to stay at the three, and Anthony to play his preferred power forward.
3. MAGIC’S MO BAMBA
23-Years Old. 7′ 0,” 231 lb center. 2-Yrs, $7.5M.
Averaging 11.1/9.2/1.8/2.1. Shooting 45.4/34.1/70.8%.Mo Bamba is having the best season in his young career. At 23, Mo is the youngest of the three stretch center targets. Finally getting a chance to start and play 30 minutes per game, Bamba is finally starting to shine.
Bamba at 23 is the youngest, biggest, and lowest paid of the three stretch centers the Lakers should target at the trade deadline. Like Wood, he’s only played in around 170 NBA games compared to over 400 for Myles Turner. Mo is probably the biggest gamble of the three stretch centers featured in this article but he also would have the least expensive price. For example, the Lakers might be able to get him straight up for Kendrick Nunn or THT.
But like with Turner and Wood, Bamba would give the Lakers the flexibility to play big or small, versatility that’s invaluable in the playoffs. There were questions about Bamba’s motor and work ethic but he now seems to get it. Because he only makes $7.5 million, it’s hard for the Magic to get fair value unless it’s in the form of draft picks, which does not bode well for the Lakers being able to trade for him. The question is what will they give up?
Mo Bamba would be a gamble but fits the mold of the modern NBA center who can stretch the floor and attack the rim on offense and protect the rim and challenge shooters on defense. Low risk, high reward trade target.
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With Frank continuing to play two bigs with DeAndre Jordan and Anthony Davis, I’m continuing my campaign for Rob Pelinka to trade for a modern two-way center like Myles Turner, Christian Wood, or Mo Bamba. Not only would one of these three players solve the Lakers’ size dilemma but they would also allow LA to play big or small, which could be a key advantage in the playoffs.
Of the three candidates, I love Turner’s size, shot blocking, and 3-point shooting. He’s the perfect fit alongside LeBron and AD. Lakers would suddenly get much younger and bigger by trading for an elite center than trying to force AD to play the five and LeBron the four. Turner makes them both better at the four and three. This is the team with which Frank Vogel can win it all again.
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So funny you mention Christian Wood almost two years after I mentioned we could have gotten him, Markieff, and DRose for fair market value when Wood was the best 15th man in the league (Sorry Jared Dudley)…
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I find myself torn when it comes to the Lakers actually firing Frank Vogel. Unlike some, who think Vogel is just a mediocre coach or is hopelessly lost in the past, I like how Frank coaches. He’s great defensively and proved he could push the right buttons to win an NBA championship in the bubble, which might have been something the Laker might not have been able to do without LeBron and AD getting that four-month rest.
But the landscape beneath Frank’s feet was dramatically changed when the Lakers traded for Russell Westbrook, something I’m sure Frank was asked to sign off on before the deal was done. Russ forces the Lakers to go small with AD at the five in order to have two elite 3-point shooters in the lineup with the three superstars. Everybody, including Frank, understood that this was where the Laker would be if they traded for Russ.
Despite early struggles, I think the Lakers are starting to see what they wanted to see from Russ. He’s slowly but surely starting to play much better, limiting his 3-point shooting and turnovers. AD has also played great, leading the league in points in the paint despite teams packing the paint every game against the Lakers and Vogel’s insistence on rolling out lineups with little or zero 3-point shooting to keep defenses honest.
Can Frank make the adjustments to sacrifice points on defense to gain enough more points on offense to turn losses into wins? That’s the big question. I think Frank understands his job is on the line and he can’t roll out another non-shooting lineup like the Russ, THT, LeBron, AD, and Howard lineup he unveiled against the Clippers. Do that and Frank will quickly find himself out of a job. I would not be surprised to find that Pelinka had this exact conversation with Frank already. Frank’s job is now on the line.