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When the path to acquire a coveted player is blocked, the smart strategy is often not to abandon that player as a target but to make moves to be in a better position to successfully trade for that player at the next opportunity.
The Los Angeles Lakers’ campaign to satisfy LeBron James’ wishes and land Kyrie Irving now appears to be dead as the Brooklyn Nets are expected to move forward with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving rather than trading them. The problem the Lakers are facing right now what direction should they go? Should they pursue a trade with the Indiana Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield or the Utah Jazz for Patrick Beverley and Bojan Bogdanovic.
There are two compelling reasons why the Los Angeles Lakers should trade Russell Westbrook and their 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks for a trio of Indiana Pacers players: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and T.J. McConnell. First, the trade would transform the Lakers from a lottery to a playoff team capable of competing for a championship. Second, the trade would give L.A. the key tradeable contracts to pursue Kyrie Irving at the deadline.
So let’s take a look at the proposed Westbrook and Horton-Tucker trades, evaluate whether the resulting roster can compete for a championship, and review how the Lakers will be better positioned to trade for Kyrie Irving.
Turning Russell Westbrook into Three Legitimate Rotation Players
The Lakers’ first step in building a roster that can compete for an NBA championship is to break Westbrook’s $47 million contract into three smaller, more easily tradeable contracts for legitimate rotation players.
That’s exactly what the above proposed trade does. It breaks Westbrook’s massive $47 million contract into Myles Turner’s $18.0 million contract, Buddy Hield’s $21.1 million contract, and T.J. McConnell’s $8.1 contract. Myles Turner becomes the first modern center in Lakers’ history and the defensive rim protector and offensive floor stretcher new head coach Darvin Ham needs to successfully run the Milwaukee Bucks’ 4-out offense
Buddy Hield immediately becomes the Lakers’ starting shooting guard, providing LeBron James and Anthony Davis with the high volume, high percentage 3-point shooter they desperately need to create spacing. McConnell gives the Lakers an accomplished veteran backup point guard who can run the offense with almost a 5:1 assist to turnover ratio and is an elite defender who‘s among the league leaders in steals and deflections.
Frankly, no other Westbrook trade option gives the Lakers three players who are as perfect fits for what the team needs as the Indiana Pacers trade. It gets the Lakers 75% of the way to building a championship roster.
Turning Talen Horton-Tucker into a 3&D Wing Defender and Scorer
The Lakers’ second step in building a roster than can compete for an NBA championship is to trade Talen Horton-Tucker and a second round pick to the New York Knicks for 3&D wing defender and scorer Cam Reddish.
Finding a bigger 3&D wing to backup James or Davis, guard bigger wing scorers like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, and possibly close games when the Lakers play small ball was one of the Lakers’ top offseason priorities. While he’s struggled with injuries and had an offseason with the Knicks, the 22-year old Cam Reddish is potentially the perfect player to fill the Lakers’ needs at small forward. At 6′ 8,” 217 lbs, he can defend and shoot the three.
While the Lakers will start games with Turner at the five and James and Davis at the three and four, their formula for closing games in the playoffs and key regular season matchups is to play small ball with AD at the five. The Los Angeles Lakers won the 2020 NBA championship in the bubble with a small-ball-on-steroids closing lineup that boasted a front court of Markieff Morris at the three, LeBron James at the four, and Anthony Davis at the five.
Look for Cam Reddish to fill the role Markieff Morris filled for the Lakers bubble championship team in a small-ball-on-steroids lineup with Reddish at the three, James at the four, and Anthony Davis as the small ball five.
Building a Championship Caliber Starting Lineup and Rotation
The Lakers’ offseason makeover could transform the team from a lottery loser to a legitimate championship contender with a dominant starting lineup backed by a deep, versatile, younger and more athletic bench.
Besides trading Westbrook and Horton-Tucker for Turner, Hield, McConnell, and Reddish, the Lakers also should waive Toscano-Anderson and Gabriel and promote Swider to a standard NBA contract from a two-way contract. That leaves the Lakers with a balanced 15-man roster with three point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, and centers. The Lakers also have one opening for a two-way player next to Scotty Pippin Jr.
The Lakers’ starting fivesome of Nunn, Hield, James, Davis, and Turner should be among the best in the league. The main backups of McConnell, Reaves, Reddish, Johnson, and Bryant are all outstanding 3-point shooters. The reserves of Christie, Walker, Brown, Swider, and Jones provide Darvin Ham and his player development oriented coaching staff several talented young players who hopefully can grow and develop into contributors.
Trading Russ and THT for for four legitimate rotation players who are perfect fits for what the Lakers and their superstars need catapults the Lakers back into relevancy and the championship conversation.
Building a Portfolio of Tradeable Contracts for Midseason Trades
Unlike this offseason, when they had just three players earning more than the minimum, the Los Angeles Lakers could position themselves to have six tradeable payers at the trade deadline earning more than the minimum.
Those six tradeable players — Buddy Hield, Myles Turner, T.J. McConnell, Lonnie Walker IV, Cam Reddish, and Kendrick Nunn — represent a total of $64,961,204 of tradeable salaries ranging from $5,250,000 to $21,177,750. Each of six of these players are young or in the prime of their careers and on easily traded contracts, They can be aggregated in multiple ways to match salaries in a midseason trade for a superstar like Kyrie Irving.
Unfortunately, the Lakers will likely not have any first round draft picks available at the trade deadline unless they were able to get the Pacers to accept a pick and a pick swap rather than two picks in Westbrook trade. However, they still have the ability to include a pick swap or multiple second round picks so the Lakers are not totally toothless when it comes to draft capital. Next summer, they will also have their 2023 first rounder.
Unlike last trade deadline, the Lakers will have an impressive portfolio of six talented young players at multiple positions on reasonable contracts whose salaries can be aggregated to matchup in any kind of trade.
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Haven’t seen Swider play an NBA game, or compete against NBA level talent in camp. If that’s the way it works out come camp that’s cool, Gabriel has a lot of holes in his game, we got ‘high motor’ guys. And he’ll get paid. So if he becomes Swider that’s fine by me. Same goes for Toscano-Anderson, don’t know much about him and if he becomes a better player for the end of the bench that’s fine. But not one of those moves alters our position as a7-8 seed in the west. We just don’t have the talent or depth on your fantasy team to overtake GS, Denver, Dallas, Memphis, Minny, Clippers or Phoenix. NOLA if Zion plays is a better on-paper team than us, honestly. Utah still has Mitchell and complimentary players and look to at least be our equal. This all assumes good health for all.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Don’t blink but Rob Pelinka is a blockbuster trade away from pulling off a miracle makeover that could see the Lakers start this season with a roster that’s better and deeper than their bubble championship team.
Think about what a preposterous statement that is because the Lakers, with the roster they have right now, would not even be a play-in team much less a playoff team. But that could change suddenly with a blockbuster trade. What Lakers fans have to remember is LeBron James and Anthony Davis, when healthy and rested, have already shown they can not only lead a team to an NBA championship but dominate the rest of the league while doing it.
What if the Lakers can trade Russell Westbrook, Talen Horton-Tucker, and their 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks for either Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Patrick Beverley, and T.J. McConnell? Swapping Russell Westbrook’s $47 million expiring contract for two players like Irving and Harris or for four players like Turner, Hield, Beverly, and McConnell making the same money could transform the Lakers’ rotations.
Let’s compare the rosters the Lakers would have were they to trade with the Nets for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Pacers and Jazz for Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, T.J. McConnell, and Patrick Beverley with the bubble champs.
Comparing Lakers After Kyrie Irving Trade to Bubble Champs
Let’s first compare the rosters the Lakers would have were they to trade Russell Westbrook and Talen Horton-Tucker to the Brooklyn Nets for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris with the roster of the 2020 bubble champs.
Starters?
Irving and Harris would be upgrades over Caldwell-Pope and Green. While Bryant adds outside shooting, Howard is still the better center. Bottom line, Lakers’ post Nets trade starters would be better than bubble champs.
Backups?
This chart illustrates the hidden strength of the Lakers championship in the bubble was its backups. While Nunn, Reaves, and Jones are comparable to Rondo, Caruso, and McGee, no current backups match Kuzma or Morris.
Overall?
Even with weak backups, swapping Russell Westbrook for Kyrie Irving gives the Lakers a legitimate superstar big three no team in the league can match. Lakers would be among favorites to win it all if they trade for Kyrie.
Comparing Lakers After Pacers and Jazz Trade to Bubble Champs
Now lets compare the Lakers roster if they traded Westbrook to the Pacers for Turner, Hield, and McConnell and Talen Horton-Tucker to the Jazz for 3&D point guard Patrick Beverley with the roster of the bubble champs.
Starters?
Trading Westbrook to the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield and THT to the Jazz for Patrick Beverley would give the Lakers their best starting lineup in the LeBron era, even better than their bubble champs.
Backups?
While McConnell and Nunn give the Lakers a quality duo of backup guards comparable to what the bubble champs had, Los Angeles still does not have veteran backups who can compare to Kuzma, Morris, and McGee.
Overall?
Featuring younger, more athletic rather than older veteran backups, the Lakers’ roster after trading with the Pacers and Jazz would be bigger, better, and deeper than the roster of the team’s 2020 bubble champions.
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We keep hearing so much about how the Lakers won a championship and then threw away all the players who were responsible for the win for new player who did not come through.
Right now, the two things the Lakers need are shooting and size. The Pacers deal for Turner, Hield, and McConnell followed up by a Jazz trade for PatBev would give the Lakers four high quality starter or rotation players to complement LeBron and AD.
Personally, I will be happy with either the Nets or Pacers deal, although I prefer the Pacers deal because of defense and depth we get as a result. Not enough basketballs or cap space to build great 3 superstar team imo.
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That’s because they did throw all those players away in the name of competing against the Nets or whatever flavor was en vogue. We were a 1st round draft pick garage sale, anyone could talk Rob into coughing some up.
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Featuring younger, more athletic rather than older veteran backups, the Lakers’ roster after trading with the Pacers and Jazz would be bigger, better, and deeper than the roster of the team’s 2020 bubble champions. https://t.co/hJJ0rQ9vgY pic.twitter.com/fYpm5WLcMX
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 18, 2022
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Even with weak backups, swapping Russell Westbrook for Kyrie Irving gives the Lakers a legitimate superstar big three no team in the league can match. Lakers would be among favorites to win it all if they trade for Kyrie.https://t.co/hJJ0rQ9vgY pic.twitter.com/RlC6oM1pXT
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 18, 2022
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Ahhh, the 14th time we’ve compared the same 2 trades. Sweet. Taking “speaking it into existence” to a whole new level. Didn’t work for LaVar, we’ll how it works for LT.
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I guess I just don’t derive much pleasure from comparing a team that doesn’t exist to one that actually accomplished something. I’ll say one thing and that’s team that doesn’t exist lacks the pedigree and professionalism to the bubble team, which actually existed. JaVight McHoward put on a master class in supporting your teammates during the playoffs from the sidelines while having been counted on to help win games in the regular season. Don’t see anyone on the current roster who has that in them. Green had the character and poise to shake off a series clinching miss and follow it up with a stellar game. Reaves ain’t Caruso, THT hasn’t adjusted to the league figuring out his game, and so on. A lot of the guys we’ve traded for 800 times virtually play for an agenda not for the team. The poster child for this is obviously Kyrie but Beverly has the need to constantly prove he belongs with his WWE antics instead of just letting his game do the yapping. Turner hasn’t sniffed a DPOY because , like AD, he can’t stay on the floor. Buddy is the best one trick pony in the league. Still, just a pony that does one thing. In the end these kind of things just ain’t my bag. The bubble team was a collection show vets and up and comers who had a lot to prove and the pedigree to fall back on to keep cool when the pressure was. I just don’t see that in the imaginary teams. They’re built to hang in, keep a job, appease a superstar. This isn’t planning, it’s desperation and it’s reeked of it since last October. Hard for me to get excited about that but there are always surprises, I’m pumped to go to the Gasol retirement game (and would be happy to join some Lakerholics if any care to join me) and really I just want AD to play as close to 82 as possible. Got a punchers chance if he and LeBron can contribute.
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There are some assumptions & variables that aren’t taken into account on these equations. An important one is that Asterisk LBJ/AD = Current LBJ/AD. The last few seasons have shown that not to be the case and there won’t be several months of rest before the post-season this time around. Nobody’s calling them 2 of the Top 5 players in the league anymore. Another is that it discounts the defensive tandem of KCP & Green. That lineup was BIG and talented on that end of the court…something these 2 proposals won’t come close to matching. Another is that the only halfway decent coaching move Frankie ever made was finally putting AD at center during the Asterisk Tournament and it was a huge part of that run. Now we’re talking about putting him at the 3? Ok. The last one off the top of my head is the level of competition we’re gonna face now. GSW was a non-factor then. Jah wasn’t around. PHX was just scratching the surface. Luca is a different guy. Joker has 2 MVP’s under his belt. I’m not sure if any of the teams we beat in 2020 would even be a top 4 seed now. The Asterisk Lineup won’t go down as an all-time great but they were good for the job they were given to do and the bench was miles ahead of what we’ll send out there this year. We’ll need to be extremely fortunate to get past the 2nd Round. Like a buncha dudes on other teams get injured type of fortunate….
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Yeah, it’s one reason I’m fine not seeing us use all the picks this summer. I don’t see Kyrie/Harris/Curry/Buddy/Turner/McConnell moving the needle a lot. The bench will be terrible since ball of those guys pretty much slot into the starting 5. Reaves, THT, Stanley, Gabriel, LW4, and PTA are all potential and not even much of that. They’d have been end of the bench guys (at best) on the bubble team. The biggest thing will always be how the break let AD and LBJ essentially come into the playoffs fresh. Won’t ever be like that again.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Last summer, LeBron wanted Russell Westbrook. This summer, he wants Kyrie Irving. As expected, the Lakers front office again appears ready to give James what he wants and trade for Irving despite last season’s lessons.
So far, the Lakers have done everything right. They hired a charismatic young defense-first head coach who runs a modern NBA offense in Darvin Ham and revamped their roster to be younger, longer, and more athletic. All the Lakers need to do to miraculously bounce back from last year is trade for players who complement and help James and Davis rather than players who will take valuable touches and points away from them.
Ironically, the Lakers find themselves in almost the same situation as last summer, when they pulled out of a Buddy Hield trade at the last minute to instead trade for Russell Westbrook to become the team’s third superstar. Today, the Lakers know they can trade Westbrook and two first round draft picks to the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. Yet, they can’t resist waiting for a chance to trade for Kyrie to be their third superstar.
Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner and Buddy Hield? Offense plus 3rd star or defense plus depth? Here’s why the Lakers should choose defense plus depth and trade Westbrook for Turner and Hield:
1. Turner and Hield Won’t Take Touches From James and Davis
Rule #1 for Rob Pelinka and the Lakers is don’t do things that will take away from LeBron James and Anthony Davis. While Kyrie Irving is a huge upgrade over Russell Westbrook, he will take touches from LeBron and AD.
On the other hand, Myles Turner and Buddy Hield will complement and make it easier for LeBron James and Anthony Davis by giving them the spacing and support to enjoy career seasons and regain top-5 standing. Strategically, the last thing the Lakers should do is take the ball from LeBron James and Anthony Davis but that is exactly what happens when you add a third ball dominant superstar like Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving.
There’s no argument that replacing Russell Westbrook with Kyrie Irving would be a major upgrade for the point guard position and for the Lakers superstar big three. The question is whether a superstar big three is best. There’s an argument two superstars and a deeper, more versatile roster is a better championship formula than three superstars and a shallower, less versatile roster as there simply aren’t enough touches for three superstars.
The Lakers were lucky injuries kept LeBron and AD from having to sacrifice touches to Russ last season. They need to realize trading for Kyrie Irving will definitely take away touches from LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
2. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Better Defensive Team
The Lakers need to follow up their successful hiring of charismatic young defense-first head coach Darvin Ham by trading Russell Westbrook for the package of players that will make the Lakers a better defensive team.
It’s one thing to say defense wins championships but another to follow through when it comes to making trades but that’s the challenge the Lakers are facing right now. Should they trade Westbrook for offense or defense? Having committed to a 4-out offense with two bigs, the Lakers would be forced to gamble by having an untested young player in Thomas Bryant or Damian Jones start at center should they end up trading for Kyrie Irving.
Trading Westbrook for Turner, on the other hand, would give the Lakers the elite defensive anchor they desperately need. Myles Turner led the league in blocked shots past two seasons and is still only just 26-years old. Turner protecting the rim also frees Davis to play the four and roam the paint as a help shot blocker or play the three and become the Lakers’ wing stopper, which has become today’s most important defensive role in NBA.
Pairing Myles Turner, who led the league in blocked shots the past two seasons, with Anthony Davis would give the Lakers the best defensive front court duo in the NBA and 48 minutes of elite rim protection every game.
3. Turner and Hield Are Better Fits for Head Coach Darvin Ham
The Lakers only have to look back at the disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff last season to understand the importance of an organization to be on the same page and working in the same direction.
Being a first time head coach in the NBA is a daunting enough challenge without having also to deal with the front office not giving you the players who best fit the kind of offense and defense you want to run as the coach. Asking a brand new head coach like Darvin Ham to resurrect a legendary franchise after one of the worst seasons in its storied history is enough without asking him to deal with Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving.
The Lakers would be smart to give Darvin Ham the players he needs to make his offense and defense work. That means a proven rim protecting, floor spacing modern center and aggressive attack dog at point guard. Myles Turner would be the proven shot blocker and 3-point shooter Ham needs instead of an untested youngster and Patrick Beverley could be the 3&D point guard Ham needs instead of the defensively inept Kyrie Irving.
The Lakers need to resist the lure of a third superstar and focus on giving defense-first head coach Darvin Ham the players he needs to build a championship defense by trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield.
4. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Deeper and More Versatile
The problem with three superstars is it forces teams to build out the rest of their starting lineup and rotations with unproven young players, over-the-hill veterans, or guys coming off injuries who only make the minimum.
The result is a team that is extremely vulnerable to injuries to their big three and lacks the quality in the other starters and first backups off the bench to win, especially when it comes to the high pressure of the playoffs. Building a deep and versatile roster is impossible when you’re paying all three superstars max salaries. Not only are there not enough touches for all three players but there’s no money left over to build the rest of the roster.
Part of the goal of trading Westbrook is to transform him into three players earning $47 million combined. If they trade for Turner and Hield, they will still have assets to add another key piece, like point guard Pat Beverley. Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving, who earns $37 million, the Lakers would not have trade capital to be able to make a second trade for Beverley. And they would start a young center whose never started for a full season.
The Lakers need depth and their goal should be to trade Russ and THT for at least four legitimate rotation players including at least two high impact defenders like Turner and Beverley to give Ham the defenders he needs.
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Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner and Buddy Hield? Offense plus 3rd star or defense plus depth? Here’s why the Lakers should choose defense plus depth and trade Westbrook for Turner and Hield:https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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1. Turner and Hield Won’t Take Touches From James and Davis
Rule #1 for Pelinka and Lakers is don’t do things that will take away from LeBron and AD. While Kyrie Irving is a huge upgrade over Russell Westbrook, he will take touches from LeBron and AD.https://t.co/tUxfXmf2hD pic.twitter.com/sFE39O4cJo
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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2. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Better Defensive Team
Lakers need to follow up their successful hiring of charismatic young defense-first coach Darvin Ham by trading Russ for the package of players that will make the Lakers a better defensive team.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/Fm1BvGxL2I
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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3. Turner and Hield Are Better Fits for Head Coach Darvin Ham
Lakers only have to look back at disconnect between front office and coaching staff last season to understand importance of an organization to be on same page and working in same direction.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/UzG1mxT10O
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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4. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Deeper and More Versatile
Lakers need depth and goal should be to trade Russ and THT for 4 legitimate rotation players including 2 high impact defenders like Turner and Beverley to give Ham defenders he needs.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/3eIDqDIvMP
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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With or without any of these packages, the team will win about 65% of the games Lebron and AD play together. What’s an optimistic view there? 60? 65 games? That’s where that 44.5 o/u number comes from and it sounds within the realm of reason.
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From a basketball standpoint I don’t really worry about bringing in Irving and either Curry or Harris. The odder the Durant saga gets the more likely I think they roll with Irving, Simmons, et al and try to work the phones for a palatable KD deal. All of my issues with Kyrie stem from him not really wanting to play more than 50-55 games/season but get paid for 82. If we’re wishing on stars and dreams are coming true I’d like a Millennium Falcon and one of the Voltron lions.
I’ve always seen an Indy deal as both the best fit for us and potentially the cheapest route. Since that hasn’t materialized I think the Lakers will basically wait until up to camp and quite possibly on into the season in the hopes of driving the price down over time, especially if Indy isn’t competing in the east.
The reason Indy wants 2 draft picks is simple: they don’t truly need that much cap space. They’re sitting at $90.6 mil now and will be down to $70.2 mil next summer. They hold team options on all their good, young players. There are three players due for an extension after this season, NBA luminaries Andrew Nembhard, Oshae Brissett, Goga Bitadaze, and of course Myles Turner. They won’t be dolling out multi million dollar deals to that crew next summer, Turner theoretically excluded should he want to return. There aren’t free agents worth that much coin and even if there were would Indy be at the top of anyone’s list to play?
Russ’s $47 coming off the books would mean dropping that $70.2 down to $51.7 accounting for Buddy’s deal next season. they can just Turner and Buddy and absorb that extra $10 mil into their cap space. That, along with the actual cost to the team for buying Russ out) is a lot of money to account for in what will be fairly dry free agent market next summer
-LBJ
-Russ
-Khris Middleton
-James Harden
-Kyrie
-Porzingis
-K-Love
-Wiggins
-DeAngelo Russell
-Al HorfordThose are the top ten set to be URFA’s next summer (in terms of current salary). Which of them is both worth a max deal and will come to play in Indy? There are other notable players, Wiggins, Vucevic, Harrison Barnes, Myles Turner, Bojan Bogdanovic, and Caris LaVert but those guys aren’t driving the superstar payday train. Wiggins should be but after that you’re looking at $10-15 mil/season players, at best.
So I totally agree that we should focus on Indy. I just see a few more obstacles to getting a trade done soon than you do. Could still happen if the Lakers want to overpay in a bidding war against nobody. Something that would likely change midseason when teams might have a different set of needs than they do now and might be inclined to offer better picks than we have. More than a couple reasons for Indy to hold firm on a high offer from LA.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
During a meeting between the Lakers and Klutch Sports, Lakers’ head coach Darvin Ham proclaimed he planned to ‘run the Lakers’ offense through Anthony Davis’ this coming season, a move approved by LeBron James.
This would be a major change for any LeBron team much less a Lakers team that’s relied upon the ball being in James’ hands since he signed as a free agent four years ago. Whether Ham can accomplish this is uncertain. What Ham’s proclamation and James’ approval signal is a recognition that it’s time for Anthony Davis to take the baton as the face of the franchise and for the Lakers to begin limiting the workload on 37-year old LeBron James.
The Lakers’ major offensive challenge has been creating spacing to prevent teams from packing the paint and forcing LeBron James and Anthony Davis to settle for outside jumpers rather than attacking the paint and the basket. Darvin Ham’s pitch to the Lakers’ front office was that the 4-out offense he ran on the Bucks with Antetokounmpo, Lopez, and Holiday could create the spacing needed by the Lakers’ big three of James, Davis, and Westbrook.Let’s look at why Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense should give LeBron and AD more spacing than last year’s 5-out sets, where James and Davis play in the new offense, and what it means to run the offense through Anthony Davis.
Why Do 4-Out Sets Provide Better Spacing Than 5-Out Sets?
The above is the Milwaukee Bucks practice court with five blue rectangles head coach Mike Budenholzer had drawn on the court to show his players where they should be in the 4-out offense to create the best spacing.
Before changing to a 4-out offense two years ago, Budenholzer had been running 5-out sets but had been frustrated how, even with all five players spaced outside the 3-point line, defenders were still close enough to help. Switching to 4-out sets where first player down the court fills the dunker slot and the next two the corners pins three defenders to the baseline to give the remaining two offensive players the maximum possible spacing.
Budenholzer’s goal in evolving from a 5-out offense to a 4-out offense was to increase the space between defenders so that it become more difficult for defenders to help or stop scoring wings from attacking the paint and rim. Obviously, Pelinka and the Lakers’ front office are betting the spacing from Darvin Ham‘s’4-out offense can do for LeBron James and Anthony Davis what it did for the Bucks’ Giannis Antetokounmpo and Khris Middleton.
In today’s NBA, the prevailing theory is 5-out sets maximize spacing. While 5-out sets spread defenses and force every player to defend the 3-point line, 4-out sets give elite perimeter players more space to attack defenses.
Where Do LeBron James and Anthony Davis Play in 4-Out Offense?
Unlike Frank Vogel offense, Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense is a positionless system. Players take spots on the court based on the order they arrive in the front court rather than the position in the lineup they play.
In Darvin Ham’s 4-out offense, the first player down the court takes the dunker spot, in this case Brook Lopez. The second and third players down the court — Bobby Portis and Grayson Allen — go to left and right corners. Assuming no early offense, the fourth and fifth players down the court — Giannis Antetokounmpo and Khris Middleton — become the wings with potential help defenders too far away to keep them from penetrating.
The Lakers will be actively looking for early offense opportunities, either a pass to AD or another defender who leaked out after challenging a 3-point shot or to the second and third players who filled the left and right corner. While the Lakers new offense is positionless, LeBron James and Anthony Davis will often wind up being the two wings at the top of the key with the other three players and their defenders lined up along the baseline.
While there will be matchups where the Lakers’ superstars post up, James and Davis will usually be positioned on the wings above the break with the greatest possible space between help defenders on the left and right.
What Does Running the Offense Through Anthony Davis Really Mean?
Running the offense through Anthony Davis really means featuring him as the Lakers’ primary offensive weapon, the superstar whom the team relies upon to lead in scoring and get them a bucket when desperately needed.
The last three years, LeBron James remained as the Lakers’ leading scorer, averaging 25.3, 25.0, and 30.3 points per game versus 26.1, 21.8, and 23.2 points per game averaged by Anthony Davis during the same three years. When it came to total shot attempts, LeBron James averaged 19.4, 18.3, and 21.8 shot attempts per game the last three years versus 17.7, 17.0, and 17.4 shot attempts per game for Anthony Davis over the same three years.
If the Lakers want to compete for an NBA championship, they’re going to need both LeBron James and Anthony Davis to stay healthy all season and perform at the same heightened level they played to win in the bubble. Realistically, if the Lakers run their offense through AD, he should be expected to lead the team with 20 shot attempts and 30 points per game with LeBron backing him up with 15 shot attempts and 25 points per game.
The Los Angeles Lakers are at a critical crossroads and desperately need to find out whether Anthony Davis can take the baton from LeBron James and become the lead superstar through whom they can run their offense.
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Lakers will have a modern NBA offense for the very first time! Think about that. Other than a brief flirtation with an over-the-hill Marc Gasol, the Lakers have never had a modern center. This is going to change everything for LeBron and AD.
It will be interesting seeing how the Lakers adapt to Ham’s 4-out offense. Of course, we still need to see whom the Lakers are able to trade Russ and THT for as that could change who plays the 5.
At any rate, there’s no question that LeBron and AD will be the team’s two forwards. Who is the three and who is the four won’t really matter as Ham’s offense is actually positionless. Where guys end up to start the possession is based on who gets into the front court first. 1-Dunker, 2&3-Corners, 4&5-Wings.
Most of the time, Giannis and Khris were the wings for the Bucks and LeBron and AD will be for the Lakers. With the improved spacing that Ham’s 4-out offense will provide, LeBron and AD will be positioned beyond the arc on the wings with just a single defender between them and the paint and the longest possible distance to the hep defenders on either side.
Going to be hard to stay in front of LeBron or AD in Ham’s offense, which then opens up everything from drive-and-kick to 3-point shooters or drive-and-dish to whomever is in the dunker position.
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Anthony is 29-years old.
LeBron is 37-years old.
Who should play the three?
Who should play the four?
I think it’s obvious.
I think it’s what coach says.
Wing stopper is MIP role on D
Wing scorer is the MIP role on O
AD should and will play wing.
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Why Do 4-Out Sets Provide Better Spacing Than 5-Out Sets?
In today’s NBA, theory is 5-out sets maximize spacing. While 5-out sets spread defenses and force every player to defend 3-point line, 4-out sets give perimeter players more space to attack.https://t.co/t86fSB1DFA pic.twitter.com/J6L4qXzwj2
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 13, 2022
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Where Do LeBron James and Anthony Davis Play in 4-Out Offense?
While Lakers offense is positionless, LeBron James and Anthony Davis will often wind up being two wings at top of key with other three players and their defenders lined up along the baseline.https://t.co/t86fSB1DFA pic.twitter.com/df5Sotcxrg
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 13, 2022
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Running the offense through Anthony Davis really means featuring him as the Lakers’ primary offensive weapon, the superstar whom the team relies upon to lead in scoring and get them a bucket when desperately needed.https://t.co/t86fSB1DFA pic.twitter.com/MWBqNQ5Cv5
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 13, 2022
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Good write up and analysis of the potential look the offense might be. A far more interesting topic than trades in a vacuum. In some ways though we need for the roster to take on a look of finality before diving wholesale into this discussion. Although the two main culprits, AD and LBJ, will certainly feast first and second, but after that it’s fairly wide open. Even if Russ is still a Laker. Training camp and preseason should be fun.
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Jamie. It was a fun article to research and makes me eager to see how the offense works. I’m in 7th heaven. Ham is a defense first coach who plays a modern offense. That’s the perfect combo for me. Now go out and get players he needs to play his style of basketball. Defense first. Modern offense.
I’m looking forward to seeing how the spacing Ham’s offense creates changes and makes LeBron and AD harder to guard. While the offense is positionless, it works best when all five players are interchangeable on offense in that they can shoot and on defense in that they can defend at all three levels.
Swap out Russ and THT for three or four legitimate rotation players who can shoot and/or defend and suddenly this team looks a whole lot different. Keep Russ and it’s pretty much a younger, bigger, and poorer shooting version of last year’s team.
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Regardless if there’s a trade or not I’m curious to see how we play in transition and semi-transition. Last year everyone from the coach to the ball boy said “we want to be a team that gets out on the break for easy baskets.” which we actually kind of did, 14.8 pot in transition. Problem was we let other teams get out break or score in the paint worse than every other team except Houston. The reasons for that were vast, from bad shots, half-hearted defense, and a general lack of effort. Also old everywhere. LeBron and Russ have a tendency to recover wind and stamina by walking the ball up the court when they could push the pace a little more. Don’t see that changing, and other than AD we don’t much in the way of a solid defense. So I’m actually more curious to see what coach Ham does to stymie easy baskets with whomever is on the roster. If that doesn’t change it won’t really matter whom we run the offense through. Teams ran it down our throats all game, pretty much every game last season. Not sure we have addressed that yet. Also not sure we can given the tools we have to work with this season.
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The problem is with the Lakers right now is they’ve done mostly a good job this offseason. I like that they hired Ham and got younger, longer, and more athletic. Unfortunately, whether they can successfully pull off a good rebuild will depend on what they get from Russ.
I know you like to take the current roster and extrapolate what’s going to happen based on what we have now but I think that’s fruitless because the Lakers have multiple options to trade Russ and are not going to keep him under any circumstances imo. So I prefer looking at the likely options, which are we trade for Kyrie and Joe or Seth or Myles and Buddy.
I also don’t think anything we did offensively or defensively last season has any bearing on this season. It’s a new coach and systems and will be mostly new players and systems. I also think last year’s team’s character was lacking, mostly due to Russ, and they frankly just gave up and quit.
Anyway, you’re right that if what we have now is what we go into the season with, we’re going to suck and will be lucky to make the playoffs even if we are healthy. But trade Russ to the Pacers or Nets and suddenly the Lakers have at least a puncher’s chance to be good again.
What’s concerning to me is that we might end up with Kyrie when I think Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would be the smarter and better fitting trade to pursue. Kyrie is going to take touches away from LeBron and AD and I would not trust him with a long term contract.
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Everybody knows what the Lakers want, which is LeBron’s signature on a 2-year $97 million contract extension with a player option on the second year but the big question is what does LeBron James want from the Lakers?
So what would constitute ‘productive’ discussions when LeBron James and his agent Rich Paul of Klutch Sports met with the Lakers’ head of basketball operations Rob Pelinka yesterday about LeBron James’ contract extension? While LeBron’s eligible to sign an extension today, what’s more important is that James and the Lakers can now legally discus specific parameters Klutch Sports wants as conditions for LeBron James signing the 2-year extension.
Whether LeBron signs the extension now or waits until before training camp in October doesn’t matter at this point. All that matters is the Lakers know exactly what they need to accomplish to get LeBron James to sign extension. ‘Productive’ extension discussions could be as general as Klutch telling the Lakers that they need to trade both first round draft picks or as specific as Rich Paul saying the Lakers need to trade for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris.
Pelinka surely walked James and Paul through the Lakers’ Big Board of possible Russell Westbrook trades both to show them their overall game plan but also to get feedback as to what LeBron and Rich were thinking. LeBron’s always been consulted when the Lakers made major moves so formally presenting their grand plans to LeBron and integrating his feedback would have been the logical path for ‘productive’ discussions.
Right now, LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers are in compete lock step that trading for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Seth Curry is the team’s Plan A. If successful, there’s no question James would sign the extension. Plan B right now is the Lakers trading Russell Westbrook for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. If Lakers strike out on Kyrie, I think James understands how both Turner and Hield could make James’ and Davis’ jobs easier.
The key to the Lakers presentation is trading Russell Westbrook. Chances are the Lakers have one or two Westbrook trades that represent their back ups if they cannot complete either the Irving or Turner and Hield trades. Fortunately for the Lakers, they’re confident the worst outcome if they miss out on their first two options would be having to trade Westbrook for their third or fourth options. There is no option where Westbrook comes back.
What the Lakers will make clear in the days to come is that they will do what they need to rebuild their roster championship caliber to better complement LeBron and AD and convince LeBron to sign the extension.
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Quick question – in the modern cap era, what team has ever won squat with a declining, aging, former MVP commanding an outsized super-duper-max contract and control over roster moves?
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Not sure the word “productive” implies as much as the article assumes. All of those things could be true…or Rich is just giving Rob a cover line. Time isn’t a factor, useful options are.
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It would have been far more useful had the meeting concluded with some kind of deal at least mentioned. That wasn’t the case. Productive is a preeeeeeeetty vague term, all things considered. I wouldn’t venture much of an opinion any different than what I already have based on a one word answer concerning a meeting that has franchise-altering implications.
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Wasteful to send out all the picks to turn around and trade them for one guy. You do all this work just to end up in the same boat but with a guy who thinks he should get paid for 82 games while playing 55-60. At some point the Lakers need to actually build a team. The last three seasons have been an excellent example as to why running a basketball team like an episode of Extreme Makeover is a bad idea. If we’re not trading those picks for future Lakers that will be here until we come back around to free agency for LBJ and AD you’re absolutely wasting them. You will be stuck in mediocrity, and that is a mediocre team in the west, until the end of both players’ deals. This is not a good choice. You’re either trading for Myles and Buddy (and their Bird Rights) or you let them walk after the season and sign guys using cap space. The idea that we will continue to trade our way into the team we traded away is, in my opinion, ludicrous. The 2023 pick is being held hostage since we had to trade this season’s and NOLA has the option of taking our 2024 pick. We can trade it on draft day (and it’s worth noting that NOLA has swap rights on the 2023 pick, as well and we have one 2nd rounder in 2023) in 2023 but I do not believe we can use it in an in-season trade or, obviously, after the draft. NOLA doesn’t have to decide until draft day if they’re taking the 2024 pick, hence the “being held hostage” description.