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The Lakers have moved on from naïve dreams of trading for Kyrie Irving and fatal fantasies about running it back with Russell Westbrook. Now they need to figure out what they really want in a Russell Westbrook trade.
The Lakers’ position according to insiders is that they will not include both of their two available first round draft picks in a Westbrook trade unless the trade transforms them into a legitimate contender to win a championship. The Lakers’ current public position is none of their trade options, including the Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield, elevate the team sufficiently to justify giving up two unprotected first round draft picks.
Per the insiders, the Lakers are not willing to take back more salary than they send out in a trade because of the luxury tax impact. Nor are they willing to take back contracts longer than LeBron James’ commitment. Finally, after trading Talen Horton-Tucker and Stanley Johnson for Patrick Beverley, the Lakers have over $30 million in potential cap space next summer, which they could keep if they only took back expiring contracts.
The good news is the Lakers currently have two excellent opportunities to trade Russell Westbrook and draft capital for at least two legitimate starters or rotation players who would help the team’s need for size and shooting. The best fit would be the Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield, which would likely require two first round picks. The alternative could be the Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic, who might cost just one pick.
Let’s take a look at both Westbrook trades and analyze each trade’s pluses and minuses and try to figure out which trade makes the most sense for the Lakers right now and what will be the major factors driving their decision.
The Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield
Contrary to what the Lakers would like you to believe, trading Russell Westbrook and two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would transform the Lakers into legitimate championship contenders.
The Pacers trade is clearly the Lakers’ best option to build a starting lineup and a roster that could legitimately compete for another NBA championship provided superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis could stay healthy. What makes the Pacers’ trade the Lakers’ best option is Myles Turner, who’s the perfect modern two-way center the Lakers and head coach Darvin Ham need to make the Buck’s 4-out offense and drop coverage defense work.
Turner’s a 26-year old, 6′ 11″, 250 lb center who averaged 12.9/7.1/1.0 while shooting 50.9/33.3/75.2%. He led the league in blocks the past two seasons and is a career 34.9% 3-point shooter who can effectively stretch the floor. Aside from being the perfect modern center to fill the Brook Lopez role in Ham’s system as the Lakers’ stretch five rim protector, Turner also gives Anthony Davis the perfect front court mate to dominate the next five years.
Most importantly, Turner gives the Lakers an elite rim protector on the court all 48 minutes of a game and the versatility to play two bigs with Turner and Davis or a small-ball-on-steroids lineup with AD at five like in the bubble. Right now, the Lakers’ biggest weakness is lack of a proven starting center. No disrespect to Thomas Bryant or Damian Jones but there is simply no way the Lakers are going to win a championship with either of them at the five.
Trading Westbrook and two picks for Turner and Hield would be the smartest move the Lakers could make. Despite their claims otherwise, they do know Turner and Hield make them a championship team
The Utah Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic
Everything in the media about Danny Ainge coveting the Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round draft picks and L.A. being interested in trading Russell Westbrook for Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic is just posturing.
What this is about is the Lakers convincing the Pacers to accept Russell Westbrook plus one unprotected pick and one pick swap for Turner and Hield so the Lakers can keep an available first round pick for midseason. The Pacers want to move Buddy Hield’s two-year contract and are willing to take on Westbrook’s expiring contract for two unprotected picks. Hopefully, they will ultimately agree to accept a pick swap instead of a second pick.
What makes the Jazz and Knicks deal a logical trading partner for the Lakers is the list of legitimate rotation players like Utah’s Conley, Bogdanovic, Beasley, and Clarkson and New York’s Randle, Rose, Grimes, and Fournier. There’s also Danny Ainge’s fascination with stealing what what he envisions as two of the NBA’s most valuable and heavily coveted future draft picks: Lakers 2027 and 2029 Unprotected Post LeBron First Round Picks.
Could the Lakers put together a Westbrook trade with Utah/New York that matched or exceeded what the they could get from the Pacers for two picks or was close to what the Pacers were offering but would only cost one pick? The Lakers could put together a group of three or four elite shooters from the Jazz and Knicks but none of them are better than Buddy Hield nor plus defenders. Additionally, most of them have multiple year contracts.
Two only players whom the Lakers would be seriously interested in from the Jazz and Knicks would be Bogdanovic and Reddish, two wings that would be great fits. But those two are not better than Turner and Hield. Trading for Bogdanovic and Reddish would also cause the Lakers to switch back to James and Davis at the four and five rather than starting unproven Bryant or Jones at the five. A Davis, James, Bogdan front court could work.
In the end, the Jazz and Knick trade could lead to a Lakers trade of Kendrick Nunn for Cam Reddish but it’s nothing more than posturing by the Lakers to see if they steal Turner and Hield with just Russ and one pick and one swap.
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The Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield
Contrary to what the Lakers would like you to believe, they know Westbrook and two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would transform them into legitimate championship contenders.https://t.co/9SDNihWq89
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 30, 2022
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The Utah Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic
Everything in media about Danny Ainge coveting Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round draft picks and L.A. being interested in trading Westbrook for Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic is just posturing.https://t.co/9SDNihWq89
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 30, 2022
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In my opinion they want 3 things:
-not to get fleeced.
-cap flexibility next summer
-field a competitive teamAll of those things are possible with or without trading Russ, trading him opens the door to the first one and could impact the second one. Keeping Russ impacts the 3rd and there’s no guarantee a trade won’t, either.
Pick your poison but if the Knicks retain Barret that shrinks the aperture even more for us to be involved in a 3 team trade as it will be more and more unlikely as time goes on that one will happen.
Once our options are whittled down to Indy that’s when I think we’ll se Rob panic and throw draft picks at the problem to try and make it go away. If it doesn’t, if Buddy isn’t shooting lights out like literally every three point specialist brought in before him, if Myles can’t stay on the court or doesn’t fit in well, for whatever reason, it’ll be a big problem for LA.
Basically comes down to how much value do the Lakers place on having the most possible cap space next summer (there are some enticing restricted free agents coming up for a new deal and if this summer is an indicator it seems like the home team is going to wait them out). In some ways a trade is settling for players, signing them as a free agent less so.
Got about a month of waiting until camp begins. A lot will become clear in the next 4+ weeks.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Lakers’ fans are about to find out how serious Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka are about going all-in to win a championship. Get ready because we’re at that point right now. Opportunity has knocked. Will the Lakers answer?
Per Jovan Buha of the Athletic, the Lakers understand the best deal they can get for the assets they have — Russell Westbrook and two first round draft picks — would be trading with the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. So far, the Pacers have asked for the Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks as the price for a Westbrook for Turner and Hield trade and the Lakers have countered with the second pick being a swap or protected.
The Lakers smartly would like to keep one of their first round picks as ammunition to sweeten a possible major midseason trade at the deadline or to combine with their 2023 first round pick in a draft day deal next summer. Besides keeping one of their picks, Pelinka is probably unwilling to make a deal that increases salaries and luxury taxes and prefers to trade only for players with expiring contracts, though that probably depends on player.
To create leverage to get the Pacers to agree to the second pick being a swap or protected, the Lakers are actively seeking a Westbrook trade with the Jazz or Spurs that includes just one pick and no salary and tax increases. That’s a smart strategy as is waiting out the Pacers at this point in time. There is little difference between an unprotected pick or a pick swap to the team receiving the swap since it is by its definition completely unprotected.
In the end, Rob Pelinka and Jeanie Buss must remember their commitment to their fans as legal guardians of the Los Angeles Lakers brand is to do whatever they can possibly do within reason to win more championships. Their commitment to LeBron James is to use all the tools in their arsenal to surround him with the best possible talent to enable him to win. As is their commitment to Darvin Ham to get him the players he needs for his system.
Nothing is as important as giving the dynamic young coach the Lakers hired to recapture their championship defense and modernize their old school offense a great roster whose skillsets and persona fit what he needs to win. The Beverley trade has given Ham the aggressive point-of-attack guard he needs to fill the role Jrue Holiday played for the Bucks. Now Pelinka needs to get Ham the modern two-way center he needs to fill Brook Lopez’s role.
Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield is the Lakers’ best shot to win a championship this season. Negotiate the best possible terms but walk away from the table with the deal. Not with an empty hand and an extra pick.
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Hopefully, the Lakers are playing this right and will do what they need to close the Pacers deal. It is their best shot at improving the team and giving LeBron and AD the shooting and defense to give them a shot at winning #18.
We won’t be favorites but with a healthy LeBron and AD we will be the team nobody wants to play in a 7-game series. Add Turner, Beverley, and Hield and this team is a legitimate championship contender.
There is no player vailable who impacts LeBron and AD as much as Myles Turner. He is the best player avaiable. He fixes the Lakers biggest weakness right now, which is having an umproven starting center. Turner is the difference maker on offense with his 3-point shooting and defense with his rim protection.
And we can have him if we give up both picks. Negotiate tough and long but don’t lose the deal. It’s a win with both picks unprotected. Anythink ess is just frosting.
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This is the most sense you’ve written on this topic to date. Excellent article as it acknowledges there is a need to actually negotiate and try to get Indy to bend a little or risk not getting picks or cap relief. Good stuff LT!
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Jamie. Good to see us agree on something. Usually means good things for Lakers.
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I have long preferred trading for Myles and Buddy but am also if the opinion the Lakers need to better value the assets they have. Picks may not be used in the draft but they’re not there to just be thrown away and subsequently let players they were used to acquire let walk for nothing, either. Asset management needs to improve.
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First, there is definitely value in having draft picks to sweeten deals and take advantage of opportunities. I don’t necessarily blame the Lakers front office for including draft picks in deals. Most of the time, those deals would not be done were it not for the draft picks.
I also fully understand why we should have some draft picks in our arsenal at all times. That’s been one of the reasons why we have not been able to make the right moves the last couple of years. And yes, we have lost opportunities because of not having kept picks.
Of course, it’s not just draft picks, it’s not having any coveted players with tradeable contracts. We need both in our arsenal at all times. The problem is right now, there’s a greater need, which is to win while we have LeBron.
Where the Lakers have gone wrong in the past far as I am concerned is the players they have decided to trade for ended up not being worth the draft picks. That’s the bigger issue to me than having traded the picks.
What it comes down to is an opportunity to land two perfect fits for LeBron and AD in Turner and Hield and give the Lakers a chance to win this year and to be in a much better position at the trade deadline and next summer. That’s the Lakers’ top priority right now. This is a deal where the picks are really worth trading.
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I’m sure you meant the headline as a positive, alas it’s a mere synopsis of the sad state of affairs that is the Lakers.
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And a trade for Turner and Hield and maybe Nunn for Reddish to get a bigger wing.
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Unprecedented health for the Lakers and a bad run of injury luck for everyone else. Not sure anyone wants to trade for Kendrick “How many games did he play?” Nunn without a sweetener, and that well’s run dry.
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So that’s Chet Holmgren, Danilo Gallinari, and Gary Harris all suffering serious injuries in a short window
One in pro-am, one in international play, and the other (presumably) in training.
Cruel reminder that these are freak accidents that can happen in any environment
— Lucas Burns (@nba_indepth) August 27, 2022
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LakerTom wrote a new post
When the path to acquire a coveted player is blocked, the smart strategy is often not to abandon that player as a target but to make moves to be in a better position to successfully trade for that player at the next opportunity.
The Los Angeles Lakers’ campaign to satisfy LeBron James’ wishes and land Kyrie Irving now appears to be dead as the Brooklyn Nets are expected to move forward with Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving rather than trading them. The problem the Lakers are facing right now what direction should they go? Should they pursue a trade with the Indiana Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield or the Utah Jazz for Patrick Beverley and Bojan Bogdanovic.
There are two compelling reasons why the Los Angeles Lakers should trade Russell Westbrook and their 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks for a trio of Indiana Pacers players: Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and T.J. McConnell. First, the trade would transform the Lakers from a lottery to a playoff team capable of competing for a championship. Second, the trade would give L.A. the key tradeable contracts to pursue Kyrie Irving at the deadline.
So let’s take a look at the proposed Westbrook and Horton-Tucker trades, evaluate whether the resulting roster can compete for a championship, and review how the Lakers will be better positioned to trade for Kyrie Irving.
Turning Russell Westbrook into Three Legitimate Rotation Players
The Lakers’ first step in building a roster that can compete for an NBA championship is to break Westbrook’s $47 million contract into three smaller, more easily tradeable contracts for legitimate rotation players.
That’s exactly what the above proposed trade does. It breaks Westbrook’s massive $47 million contract into Myles Turner’s $18.0 million contract, Buddy Hield’s $21.1 million contract, and T.J. McConnell’s $8.1 contract. Myles Turner becomes the first modern center in Lakers’ history and the defensive rim protector and offensive floor stretcher new head coach Darvin Ham needs to successfully run the Milwaukee Bucks’ 4-out offense
Buddy Hield immediately becomes the Lakers’ starting shooting guard, providing LeBron James and Anthony Davis with the high volume, high percentage 3-point shooter they desperately need to create spacing. McConnell gives the Lakers an accomplished veteran backup point guard who can run the offense with almost a 5:1 assist to turnover ratio and is an elite defender who‘s among the league leaders in steals and deflections.
Frankly, no other Westbrook trade option gives the Lakers three players who are as perfect fits for what the team needs as the Indiana Pacers trade. It gets the Lakers 75% of the way to building a championship roster.
Turning Talen Horton-Tucker into a 3&D Wing Defender and Scorer
The Lakers’ second step in building a roster than can compete for an NBA championship is to trade Talen Horton-Tucker and a second round pick to the New York Knicks for 3&D wing defender and scorer Cam Reddish.
Finding a bigger 3&D wing to backup James or Davis, guard bigger wing scorers like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, and possibly close games when the Lakers play small ball was one of the Lakers’ top offseason priorities. While he’s struggled with injuries and had an offseason with the Knicks, the 22-year old Cam Reddish is potentially the perfect player to fill the Lakers’ needs at small forward. At 6′ 8,” 217 lbs, he can defend and shoot the three.
While the Lakers will start games with Turner at the five and James and Davis at the three and four, their formula for closing games in the playoffs and key regular season matchups is to play small ball with AD at the five. The Los Angeles Lakers won the 2020 NBA championship in the bubble with a small-ball-on-steroids closing lineup that boasted a front court of Markieff Morris at the three, LeBron James at the four, and Anthony Davis at the five.
Look for Cam Reddish to fill the role Markieff Morris filled for the Lakers bubble championship team in a small-ball-on-steroids lineup with Reddish at the three, James at the four, and Anthony Davis as the small ball five.
Building a Championship Caliber Starting Lineup and Rotation
The Lakers’ offseason makeover could transform the team from a lottery loser to a legitimate championship contender with a dominant starting lineup backed by a deep, versatile, younger and more athletic bench.
Besides trading Westbrook and Horton-Tucker for Turner, Hield, McConnell, and Reddish, the Lakers also should waive Toscano-Anderson and Gabriel and promote Swider to a standard NBA contract from a two-way contract. That leaves the Lakers with a balanced 15-man roster with three point guards, shooting guards, small forwards, power forwards, and centers. The Lakers also have one opening for a two-way player next to Scotty Pippin Jr.
The Lakers’ starting fivesome of Nunn, Hield, James, Davis, and Turner should be among the best in the league. The main backups of McConnell, Reaves, Reddish, Johnson, and Bryant are all outstanding 3-point shooters. The reserves of Christie, Walker, Brown, Swider, and Jones provide Darvin Ham and his player development oriented coaching staff several talented young players who hopefully can grow and develop into contributors.
Trading Russ and THT for for four legitimate rotation players who are perfect fits for what the Lakers and their superstars need catapults the Lakers back into relevancy and the championship conversation.
Building a Portfolio of Tradeable Contracts for Midseason Trades
Unlike this offseason, when they had just three players earning more than the minimum, the Los Angeles Lakers could position themselves to have six tradeable payers at the trade deadline earning more than the minimum.
Those six tradeable players — Buddy Hield, Myles Turner, T.J. McConnell, Lonnie Walker IV, Cam Reddish, and Kendrick Nunn — represent a total of $64,961,204 of tradeable salaries ranging from $5,250,000 to $21,177,750. Each of six of these players are young or in the prime of their careers and on easily traded contracts, They can be aggregated in multiple ways to match salaries in a midseason trade for a superstar like Kyrie Irving.
Unfortunately, the Lakers will likely not have any first round draft picks available at the trade deadline unless they were able to get the Pacers to accept a pick and a pick swap rather than two picks in Westbrook trade. However, they still have the ability to include a pick swap or multiple second round picks so the Lakers are not totally toothless when it comes to draft capital. Next summer, they will also have their 2023 first rounder.
Unlike last trade deadline, the Lakers will have an impressive portfolio of six talented young players at multiple positions on reasonable contracts whose salaries can be aggregated to matchup in any kind of trade.
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Wasteful to send out all the picks to turn around and trade them for one guy. You do all this work just to end up in the same boat but with a guy who thinks he should get paid for 82 games while playing 55-60. At some point the Lakers need to actually build a team. The last three seasons have been an excellent example as to why running a basketball team like an episode of Extreme Makeover is a bad idea. If we’re not trading those picks for future Lakers that will be here until we come back around to free agency for LBJ and AD you’re absolutely wasting them. You will be stuck in mediocrity, and that is a mediocre team in the west, until the end of both players’ deals. This is not a good choice. You’re either trading for Myles and Buddy (and their Bird Rights) or you let them walk after the season and sign guys using cap space. The idea that we will continue to trade our way into the team we traded away is, in my opinion, ludicrous. The 2023 pick is being held hostage since we had to trade this season’s and NOLA has the option of taking our 2024 pick. We can trade it on draft day (and it’s worth noting that NOLA has swap rights on the 2023 pick, as well and we have one 2nd rounder in 2023) in 2023 but I do not believe we can use it in an in-season trade or, obviously, after the draft. NOLA doesn’t have to decide until draft day if they’re taking the 2024 pick, hence the “being held hostage” description.
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Haven’t seen Swider play an NBA game, or compete against NBA level talent in camp. If that’s the way it works out come camp that’s cool, Gabriel has a lot of holes in his game, we got ‘high motor’ guys. And he’ll get paid. So if he becomes Swider that’s fine by me. Same goes for Toscano-Anderson, don’t know much about him and if he becomes a better player for the end of the bench that’s fine. But not one of those moves alters our position as a7-8 seed in the west. We just don’t have the talent or depth on your fantasy team to overtake GS, Denver, Dallas, Memphis, Minny, Clippers or Phoenix. NOLA if Zion plays is a better on-paper team than us, honestly. Utah still has Mitchell and complimentary players and look to at least be our equal. This all assumes good health for all.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Don’t blink but Rob Pelinka is a blockbuster trade away from pulling off a miracle makeover that could see the Lakers start this season with a roster that’s better and deeper than their bubble championship team.
Think about what a preposterous statement that is because the Lakers, with the roster they have right now, would not even be a play-in team much less a playoff team. But that could change suddenly with a blockbuster trade. What Lakers fans have to remember is LeBron James and Anthony Davis, when healthy and rested, have already shown they can not only lead a team to an NBA championship but dominate the rest of the league while doing it.
What if the Lakers can trade Russell Westbrook, Talen Horton-Tucker, and their 2027 and 2029 first round draft picks for either Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, Patrick Beverley, and T.J. McConnell? Swapping Russell Westbrook’s $47 million expiring contract for two players like Irving and Harris or for four players like Turner, Hield, Beverly, and McConnell making the same money could transform the Lakers’ rotations.
Let’s compare the rosters the Lakers would have were they to trade with the Nets for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Pacers and Jazz for Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, T.J. McConnell, and Patrick Beverley with the bubble champs.
Comparing Lakers After Kyrie Irving Trade to Bubble Champs
Let’s first compare the rosters the Lakers would have were they to trade Russell Westbrook and Talen Horton-Tucker to the Brooklyn Nets for Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris with the roster of the 2020 bubble champs.
Starters?
Irving and Harris would be upgrades over Caldwell-Pope and Green. While Bryant adds outside shooting, Howard is still the better center. Bottom line, Lakers’ post Nets trade starters would be better than bubble champs.
Backups?
This chart illustrates the hidden strength of the Lakers championship in the bubble was its backups. While Nunn, Reaves, and Jones are comparable to Rondo, Caruso, and McGee, no current backups match Kuzma or Morris.
Overall?
Even with weak backups, swapping Russell Westbrook for Kyrie Irving gives the Lakers a legitimate superstar big three no team in the league can match. Lakers would be among favorites to win it all if they trade for Kyrie.
Comparing Lakers After Pacers and Jazz Trade to Bubble Champs
Now lets compare the Lakers roster if they traded Westbrook to the Pacers for Turner, Hield, and McConnell and Talen Horton-Tucker to the Jazz for 3&D point guard Patrick Beverley with the roster of the bubble champs.
Starters?
Trading Westbrook to the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield and THT to the Jazz for Patrick Beverley would give the Lakers their best starting lineup in the LeBron era, even better than their bubble champs.
Backups?
While McConnell and Nunn give the Lakers a quality duo of backup guards comparable to what the bubble champs had, Los Angeles still does not have veteran backups who can compare to Kuzma, Morris, and McGee.
Overall?
Featuring younger, more athletic rather than older veteran backups, the Lakers’ roster after trading with the Pacers and Jazz would be bigger, better, and deeper than the roster of the team’s 2020 bubble champions.
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We keep hearing so much about how the Lakers won a championship and then threw away all the players who were responsible for the win for new player who did not come through.
Right now, the two things the Lakers need are shooting and size. The Pacers deal for Turner, Hield, and McConnell followed up by a Jazz trade for PatBev would give the Lakers four high quality starter or rotation players to complement LeBron and AD.
Personally, I will be happy with either the Nets or Pacers deal, although I prefer the Pacers deal because of defense and depth we get as a result. Not enough basketballs or cap space to build great 3 superstar team imo.
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That’s because they did throw all those players away in the name of competing against the Nets or whatever flavor was en vogue. We were a 1st round draft pick garage sale, anyone could talk Rob into coughing some up.
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Featuring younger, more athletic rather than older veteran backups, the Lakers’ roster after trading with the Pacers and Jazz would be bigger, better, and deeper than the roster of the team’s 2020 bubble champions. https://t.co/hJJ0rQ9vgY pic.twitter.com/fYpm5WLcMX
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 18, 2022
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Even with weak backups, swapping Russell Westbrook for Kyrie Irving gives the Lakers a legitimate superstar big three no team in the league can match. Lakers would be among favorites to win it all if they trade for Kyrie.https://t.co/hJJ0rQ9vgY pic.twitter.com/RlC6oM1pXT
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 18, 2022
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Ahhh, the 14th time we’ve compared the same 2 trades. Sweet. Taking “speaking it into existence” to a whole new level. Didn’t work for LaVar, we’ll how it works for LT.
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I guess I just don’t derive much pleasure from comparing a team that doesn’t exist to one that actually accomplished something. I’ll say one thing and that’s team that doesn’t exist lacks the pedigree and professionalism to the bubble team, which actually existed. JaVight McHoward put on a master class in supporting your teammates during the playoffs from the sidelines while having been counted on to help win games in the regular season. Don’t see anyone on the current roster who has that in them. Green had the character and poise to shake off a series clinching miss and follow it up with a stellar game. Reaves ain’t Caruso, THT hasn’t adjusted to the league figuring out his game, and so on. A lot of the guys we’ve traded for 800 times virtually play for an agenda not for the team. The poster child for this is obviously Kyrie but Beverly has the need to constantly prove he belongs with his WWE antics instead of just letting his game do the yapping. Turner hasn’t sniffed a DPOY because , like AD, he can’t stay on the floor. Buddy is the best one trick pony in the league. Still, just a pony that does one thing. In the end these kind of things just ain’t my bag. The bubble team was a collection show vets and up and comers who had a lot to prove and the pedigree to fall back on to keep cool when the pressure was. I just don’t see that in the imaginary teams. They’re built to hang in, keep a job, appease a superstar. This isn’t planning, it’s desperation and it’s reeked of it since last October. Hard for me to get excited about that but there are always surprises, I’m pumped to go to the Gasol retirement game (and would be happy to join some Lakerholics if any care to join me) and really I just want AD to play as close to 82 as possible. Got a punchers chance if he and LeBron can contribute.
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There are some assumptions & variables that aren’t taken into account on these equations. An important one is that Asterisk LBJ/AD = Current LBJ/AD. The last few seasons have shown that not to be the case and there won’t be several months of rest before the post-season this time around. Nobody’s calling them 2 of the Top 5 players in the league anymore. Another is that it discounts the defensive tandem of KCP & Green. That lineup was BIG and talented on that end of the court…something these 2 proposals won’t come close to matching. Another is that the only halfway decent coaching move Frankie ever made was finally putting AD at center during the Asterisk Tournament and it was a huge part of that run. Now we’re talking about putting him at the 3? Ok. The last one off the top of my head is the level of competition we’re gonna face now. GSW was a non-factor then. Jah wasn’t around. PHX was just scratching the surface. Luca is a different guy. Joker has 2 MVP’s under his belt. I’m not sure if any of the teams we beat in 2020 would even be a top 4 seed now. The Asterisk Lineup won’t go down as an all-time great but they were good for the job they were given to do and the bench was miles ahead of what we’ll send out there this year. We’ll need to be extremely fortunate to get past the 2nd Round. Like a buncha dudes on other teams get injured type of fortunate….
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Yeah, it’s one reason I’m fine not seeing us use all the picks this summer. I don’t see Kyrie/Harris/Curry/Buddy/Turner/McConnell moving the needle a lot. The bench will be terrible since ball of those guys pretty much slot into the starting 5. Reaves, THT, Stanley, Gabriel, LW4, and PTA are all potential and not even much of that. They’d have been end of the bench guys (at best) on the bubble team. The biggest thing will always be how the break let AD and LBJ essentially come into the playoffs fresh. Won’t ever be like that again.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Last summer, LeBron wanted Russell Westbrook. This summer, he wants Kyrie Irving. As expected, the Lakers front office again appears ready to give James what he wants and trade for Irving despite last season’s lessons.
So far, the Lakers have done everything right. They hired a charismatic young defense-first head coach who runs a modern NBA offense in Darvin Ham and revamped their roster to be younger, longer, and more athletic. All the Lakers need to do to miraculously bounce back from last year is trade for players who complement and help James and Davis rather than players who will take valuable touches and points away from them.
Ironically, the Lakers find themselves in almost the same situation as last summer, when they pulled out of a Buddy Hield trade at the last minute to instead trade for Russell Westbrook to become the team’s third superstar. Today, the Lakers know they can trade Westbrook and two first round draft picks to the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. Yet, they can’t resist waiting for a chance to trade for Kyrie to be their third superstar.
Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner and Buddy Hield? Offense plus 3rd star or defense plus depth? Here’s why the Lakers should choose defense plus depth and trade Westbrook for Turner and Hield:
1. Turner and Hield Won’t Take Touches From James and Davis
Rule #1 for Rob Pelinka and the Lakers is don’t do things that will take away from LeBron James and Anthony Davis. While Kyrie Irving is a huge upgrade over Russell Westbrook, he will take touches from LeBron and AD.
On the other hand, Myles Turner and Buddy Hield will complement and make it easier for LeBron James and Anthony Davis by giving them the spacing and support to enjoy career seasons and regain top-5 standing. Strategically, the last thing the Lakers should do is take the ball from LeBron James and Anthony Davis but that is exactly what happens when you add a third ball dominant superstar like Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving.
There’s no argument that replacing Russell Westbrook with Kyrie Irving would be a major upgrade for the point guard position and for the Lakers superstar big three. The question is whether a superstar big three is best. There’s an argument two superstars and a deeper, more versatile roster is a better championship formula than three superstars and a shallower, less versatile roster as there simply aren’t enough touches for three superstars.
The Lakers were lucky injuries kept LeBron and AD from having to sacrifice touches to Russ last season. They need to realize trading for Kyrie Irving will definitely take away touches from LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
2. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Better Defensive Team
The Lakers need to follow up their successful hiring of charismatic young defense-first head coach Darvin Ham by trading Russell Westbrook for the package of players that will make the Lakers a better defensive team.
It’s one thing to say defense wins championships but another to follow through when it comes to making trades but that’s the challenge the Lakers are facing right now. Should they trade Westbrook for offense or defense? Having committed to a 4-out offense with two bigs, the Lakers would be forced to gamble by having an untested young player in Thomas Bryant or Damian Jones start at center should they end up trading for Kyrie Irving.
Trading Westbrook for Turner, on the other hand, would give the Lakers the elite defensive anchor they desperately need. Myles Turner led the league in blocked shots past two seasons and is still only just 26-years old. Turner protecting the rim also frees Davis to play the four and roam the paint as a help shot blocker or play the three and become the Lakers’ wing stopper, which has become today’s most important defensive role in NBA.
Pairing Myles Turner, who led the league in blocked shots the past two seasons, with Anthony Davis would give the Lakers the best defensive front court duo in the NBA and 48 minutes of elite rim protection every game.
3. Turner and Hield Are Better Fits for Head Coach Darvin Ham
The Lakers only have to look back at the disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff last season to understand the importance of an organization to be on the same page and working in the same direction.
Being a first time head coach in the NBA is a daunting enough challenge without having also to deal with the front office not giving you the players who best fit the kind of offense and defense you want to run as the coach. Asking a brand new head coach like Darvin Ham to resurrect a legendary franchise after one of the worst seasons in its storied history is enough without asking him to deal with Russell Westbrook or Kyrie Irving.
The Lakers would be smart to give Darvin Ham the players he needs to make his offense and defense work. That means a proven rim protecting, floor spacing modern center and aggressive attack dog at point guard. Myles Turner would be the proven shot blocker and 3-point shooter Ham needs instead of an untested youngster and Patrick Beverley could be the 3&D point guard Ham needs instead of the defensively inept Kyrie Irving.
The Lakers need to resist the lure of a third superstar and focus on giving defense-first head coach Darvin Ham the players he needs to build a championship defense by trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield.
4. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Deeper and More Versatile
The problem with three superstars is it forces teams to build out the rest of their starting lineup and rotations with unproven young players, over-the-hill veterans, or guys coming off injuries who only make the minimum.
The result is a team that is extremely vulnerable to injuries to their big three and lacks the quality in the other starters and first backups off the bench to win, especially when it comes to the high pressure of the playoffs. Building a deep and versatile roster is impossible when you’re paying all three superstars max salaries. Not only are there not enough touches for all three players but there’s no money left over to build the rest of the roster.
Part of the goal of trading Westbrook is to transform him into three players earning $47 million combined. If they trade for Turner and Hield, they will still have assets to add another key piece, like point guard Pat Beverley. Should the Lakers trade for Kyrie Irving, who earns $37 million, the Lakers would not have trade capital to be able to make a second trade for Beverley. And they would start a young center whose never started for a full season.
The Lakers need depth and their goal should be to trade Russ and THT for at least four legitimate rotation players including at least two high impact defenders like Turner and Beverley to give Ham the defenders he needs.
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Kyrie Irving and Joe Harris or Myles Turner and Buddy Hield? Offense plus 3rd star or defense plus depth? Here’s why the Lakers should choose defense plus depth and trade Westbrook for Turner and Hield:https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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1. Turner and Hield Won’t Take Touches From James and Davis
Rule #1 for Pelinka and Lakers is don’t do things that will take away from LeBron and AD. While Kyrie Irving is a huge upgrade over Russell Westbrook, he will take touches from LeBron and AD.https://t.co/tUxfXmf2hD pic.twitter.com/sFE39O4cJo
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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2. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Better Defensive Team
Lakers need to follow up their successful hiring of charismatic young defense-first coach Darvin Ham by trading Russ for the package of players that will make the Lakers a better defensive team.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/Fm1BvGxL2I
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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3. Turner and Hield Are Better Fits for Head Coach Darvin Ham
Lakers only have to look back at disconnect between front office and coaching staff last season to understand importance of an organization to be on same page and working in same direction.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/UzG1mxT10O
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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4. Turner and Hield Will Make Lakers Deeper and More Versatile
Lakers need depth and goal should be to trade Russ and THT for 4 legitimate rotation players including 2 high impact defenders like Turner and Beverley to give Ham defenders he needs.https://t.co/tUxfXmwD9b pic.twitter.com/3eIDqDIvMP
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 14, 2022
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With or without any of these packages, the team will win about 65% of the games Lebron and AD play together. What’s an optimistic view there? 60? 65 games? That’s where that 44.5 o/u number comes from and it sounds within the realm of reason.
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From a basketball standpoint I don’t really worry about bringing in Irving and either Curry or Harris. The odder the Durant saga gets the more likely I think they roll with Irving, Simmons, et al and try to work the phones for a palatable KD deal. All of my issues with Kyrie stem from him not really wanting to play more than 50-55 games/season but get paid for 82. If we’re wishing on stars and dreams are coming true I’d like a Millennium Falcon and one of the Voltron lions.
I’ve always seen an Indy deal as both the best fit for us and potentially the cheapest route. Since that hasn’t materialized I think the Lakers will basically wait until up to camp and quite possibly on into the season in the hopes of driving the price down over time, especially if Indy isn’t competing in the east.
The reason Indy wants 2 draft picks is simple: they don’t truly need that much cap space. They’re sitting at $90.6 mil now and will be down to $70.2 mil next summer. They hold team options on all their good, young players. There are three players due for an extension after this season, NBA luminaries Andrew Nembhard, Oshae Brissett, Goga Bitadaze, and of course Myles Turner. They won’t be dolling out multi million dollar deals to that crew next summer, Turner theoretically excluded should he want to return. There aren’t free agents worth that much coin and even if there were would Indy be at the top of anyone’s list to play?
Russ’s $47 coming off the books would mean dropping that $70.2 down to $51.7 accounting for Buddy’s deal next season. they can just Turner and Buddy and absorb that extra $10 mil into their cap space. That, along with the actual cost to the team for buying Russ out) is a lot of money to account for in what will be fairly dry free agent market next summer
-LBJ
-Russ
-Khris Middleton
-James Harden
-Kyrie
-Porzingis
-K-Love
-Wiggins
-DeAngelo Russell
-Al HorfordThose are the top ten set to be URFA’s next summer (in terms of current salary). Which of them is both worth a max deal and will come to play in Indy? There are other notable players, Wiggins, Vucevic, Harrison Barnes, Myles Turner, Bojan Bogdanovic, and Caris LaVert but those guys aren’t driving the superstar payday train. Wiggins should be but after that you’re looking at $10-15 mil/season players, at best.
So I totally agree that we should focus on Indy. I just see a few more obstacles to getting a trade done soon than you do. Could still happen if the Lakers want to overpay in a bidding war against nobody. Something that would likely change midseason when teams might have a different set of needs than they do now and might be inclined to offer better picks than we have. More than a couple reasons for Indy to hold firm on a high offer from LA.
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I’m definitely thinking there is no way Rob Pelinka and the Lakers cannot see what James Worthy and other prognosticators have already said, which is Turner and Hield could make the Lakers champs.
Just this afternoon on NBA today Eddie Johnson and Amin Elhassan both proclaimed the Pacers trade as the one the Lakers needed to make. Both cited Turner as the difference maker.
I think everything is about trying to get Indiana to take a swap instead of a second pick so the Lakers have draft capital at the trade deadline.
Otherwise, Turner is the prize that makes the Lakers a contender and unleashes Anthony Davis. Lakers know it just like we do (he hopefully says)…