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The Los Angeles Lakers have done a great job executing an inspired public relations campaign to convince other teams they’d prefer to bring Russell Westbrook back rather than giving up two first round picks to trade him.
With less than three weeks until training camp, the Lakers now appear to be toughening their stance on trading Russell Westbrook and getting ready to head into camp and start the regular season with him on active roster. The Lakers believe neither the Pacers or Jazz trades are deserving of a second first round draft pick and, barring those teams lowering their asking price, the Lakers would prefer to go forward with Russ on the roster.
Whether the Lakers will change their position on trading Westbrook remains to be seem but the team’s current roster is an unfinished product that lacks 3-point shooting and bigger wings to backup James and Davis. Frankly, anybody who watched how poorly Westbrook fit on the Lakers last season has to shudder at the thought of the Lakers wasting one of the only two guaranteed seasons left on LeBron James contract with Los Angeles.The big question is whether the Los Angeles Lakers are committing suicide by bringing back Russell Westbrook, who refused to be coached last season and could theoretically cause total chaos and disarray in the locker room. Whether Darvin Ham can transform Westbrook into a plus contributor who plays defense and accepts a role is just one of the Lakers’ challenges. Other issues include the Lakers overall lack of 3-point shooting and wing size.
While I believe the Lakers are still just posturing and will ultimately trade Westbrook this offseason, let’s take a look at where they might be at the midseason trade deadline and next summer if they bring back Russ.
Where Would Lakers Be At Trade Deadline If They Keep Westbrook?
Unless the Lakers are willing to sacrifice the coming season and one of the two guaranteed years they have left on LeBron James’ contract, they need to be better positioned to trade Russ at the deadline than this summer.
The litmus test is whether the Lakers will have an opportunity to trade Russ for more at the deadline than this summer. In other words, did waiting until the trade deadline enable the Lakers a get better trade for Westbrook? The key midseason dates are December 15, 2022, when most players who have been traded will be eligible to be traded again, and February 9, 2023, which is the league’s midseason trade deadline for the 2022–23 season.
The Lakers early schedule is brutal and should give them an early test of whether or not Ham could make Westbrook work. Unlike this offseason, they should be able to dump Russ at the deadline without giving up picks. The problem is the Lakers are also not likely to get much back from trading Russ at the deadline since he’s just an expiring contract who’s already been paid half or more of the annual salary for the last year of his contract.
The only good thing that could happen at the deadline is the Lakers getting an opportunity to trade for Kyrie Irving or another star who is suddenly on the outs with his team. The Lakers would only trade picks for a third star. Following up with the Pacers or Jazz to see if they would accept one pick is also probably a no-go since the Lakers would not be willing to give up a pick or picks unless it would be for a superstar that they would sign long-term.
In the end, chances are that the Lakers would not be able to significantly upgrade the roster at the trade deadline because they appear to be saving their draft picks to use to find a third superstar or replacement for LeBron.
Where Would Lakers Be One Year From Now If They Keep Westbrook?
While running it back with Westbrook seems like a huge gamble, the Los Angeles Lakers apparently think the risk is not as great as it might seem and the benefits they get next summer could actually be worth the gamble.
So where would the Lakers be one year from now if they decide to bring back Russell Westbrook for the entire season and just allow his $47 million contract to expire at the end of the season and make no significant changes? Bringing back Westbrook is the Lakers’ stealth way of tanking as it could transform their 2023 first round pick into a lottery pick like last season when the Pels got a huge break when the Lakers’ pick was #9 last NBA draft.
Strategically, the Lakers would now have three rather than two first round draft picks in their portfolio to use to pursue a third superstar, although their 2023 first round pick could not be traded until day of the NBA draft. Having a top-10 pick in next year’s draft plus two post LeBron unprotected picks would improve the Lakers trade portfolio except that, due to players with expiring contracts and minimum salaries, they have no chips to trade.
What the Lakers will have is $35 million in projected cap space plus 13 open spots. While that’s not enough to sign Kyrie or another superstar to a max contract, there’s a chance the Lakers can make it work with multiple teams. Unfortunately, the lack of players to match salaries complicates the Lakers’ situation next summer. Aside from zero continuity, this is the problem with chasing a third superstars with cap space rather than tradeable contracts.
Bringing back Russ and allowing his contract to expire does give the Lakers multiple weapons like open cap space and multiple draft picks to acquire a third superstar like Kyrie but at the high cost of a second losing season.
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The only viable option that makes sense for the Lakers to wait is the opportunity to trade Russ for Kyrie at the deadline. Or another surprise star whom a team wants to move for some reason. But Kyrie is whom the Lakers covet so if they do not trade Russ, it will be to save him for Kyrie.
Also, if they keep Kyrie, they might as well keep him for the entire year rather than trading him at the deadline for anybody not named Kyrie. The cap space is nice but the Lakers need to trade for third star to get his Bird rights. Almost impossible to bring third star via free agency.
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Aloha Tom, I believe that the Lakers would make a trade with both picks if they thought the trade would make them legitimate contenders. As it stands, both the Jazz and Pacers deals elevate them to no more than a 6th or possibly 5th seed and and a 1st or 2nd round exit. And taking on the contracts of some of these players will not give them much wiggle room to improve next summer. I think by going into the season and seeing what they have, is a smart move. Coach Hamm has high praise so far for Austin, Bryant and Nunn. If a few of the kids step up, it may change what they feel they need. And if Russ comes in and isn’t terrible it could increase his value as well. He he has a lot to lose if he is a problem child in his next contract. If he plays nice with everyone, it could mean millions of dollars more on his next deal. And as Jamie has pointed out, the less cash a team needs to spend to buy him out, may lower that teams asking price. While I’m not ruling out a trade before camp, my odds of that happening have reach an all time low.
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I have to admit I’ve lowered my expectations. Now it’s not the true value of the trade but whether Rob is evaluating the available players accurately? Can he make the right evaluation and right call.
Turner and Hield may not transform you into a championship team but it gives you a chance to have a strong rebound season and be in a superior position at the trade deadline and next summer.
They’re clearly worth giving up the two picks and re-signing Turner to a 1+1. That lines all four up to have two years to win a championship. Lakers will have tradeable contracts for plus players. They’ll be one move away from another championship team.
There is a similar deal from the Jazz involving Bojan, Clarkson, Beasley, and Vanderbilt that provides great depth and a pair of valuable wing players. That’s another trade that would provide a similar jump in talent and future trading chips.
I’m hoping the Lakers are just playing hard ball to improve the deals before choosing one. Both are big wins vs. bringing back Russ and can provide missing shooting and wing size and depth.
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No Lakers would not be committing suicide by running it back since their odds wouldn’t be greatly improved with Turner and Hield anyway. You on the other hand . . .
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I’d rather not chase a 3rd star. Turner will be available, Bogdanivic, Grant, Vucevic and a bevy of mid-tier stars. Trading Russ at the deadline still has to balance out to $47 mil, only the cost of the buyout goes down. Many of the players you listed as wanting in a trade will be free agents of one kind or another. This is why I’ve been ok with riding out the Russ deal: we can actually build a contender next summer with players we want and not settle for what’s available in a trade with 2 or 3 teams now. Imagine using $42 mil (which Inthink is the max we can downs on FA next summer) on 2 $15 mil and a $10 mil deal? Or 4 $10
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two $20 mil and so on. We S&T Nunn into cap space and clear even more cash. It might not all work out, Rob’s track record with picking the right guys around our super stars is spotty. But if we’re not going to be great now I’d rather leave us in the best position possible to be great next summer. This ain’t over, it’s just ending how you hoped it would. It can still work out and you never know how it’ll go with Russ this season. I’m not expecting
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I think it’s pretty clear Kyrie is still the shiny object in the Lakers laser vision. Nets have a decision to make before the deadline. Do we want to extend Kyrie? If not, then moving him at the deadline is smart, especially if it can get them one unprotected pick. Of course, that means Lakers have to sign him to extension if they give up pick. They’re betting this is worth passing on current deals.
Problem is what happens if they can’t get Kyrie or another star and remain stuck with this roster for the complete season. They’re not going to trade Russ for non superstars on long deals. Better to just let him expire. That guarantees them $35M in cap space.
Only problem is then they will have 3 draft picks to sweeten a deal but no trading chips to match salary since everybody on the roster is a free agent or minimum salary player. Lakers will have to rope in other teams with their $35M in cap space to get players to trade for Kyrie, which could be tricky.
Anyway, that’s the Lakers stance right now as I see it. Hope they will give up two picks to get Turner and Hield as that’s the smart move. Just not confident Russ sees that. When you realize what the Nets really want is a modern center, trading for Turner is the savvy move to get ready to go after Kyrie.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Lakers’ current roster literally screams a big Russell Westbrook trade is coming. The roster desperately needs the 3-point shooting and bigger 3&D players that only trading Westbrook and first round picks can get for them.
If the Lakers don’t trade Westbrook for two or three legitimate rotation players, they’re going to be doomed to missing the playoffs for the second straight year. The current roster is simply too small and cannot shoot. Complicating the situation, the only trading chip the Lakers have to bring back the needed 3-point shooting and depth at the forward positions is Russell Westbrook. They cannot upgrade the roster without trading him.
The Lakers and their new head coach Darvin Ham continue to discuss the possibility the team may in the end decide to bring Russell Westbrook back. Frankly, not trading Westbrook will doom the Lakers to repeat last season.
Lakers’ Current Roster Is Unfinished Product
While Pelinka transformed the backend of the Lakers’ current roster to be younger and more athletic and versatile, the roster remains an unfinished project without needed starters and rotation players from Westbrook trade.
If the Lakers do not trade Westbrook, they will likely be stuck with something close to the above roster, which could be the worst roster any franchise has surrounded LeBron James with over his 20-year NBA career. The crazy risks of bringing back Westbrook notwithstanding, there is no way the Lakers can open this season with this roster which boasts no quality 3-point shooting or front court depth to support James and Davis.
To begin, there is no way the Lakers are going to be a playoff team if two of their five starters and five of their top ten rotation players, including LeBron’s and AD’s primary backups, are unproven minimum salary players. That’s just not how the NBA works. Besides superstars, you also need six to eight legitimate rotation players to complement your stars and fill out your starting lineup and rotation. Right now, the Lakers just have three of those.
More importantly, there is no way the Lakers go into the season with unproven Troy Brown, Jr., Juan Toscano-Anderson, and Wenyen Gabriel as backups to LeBron James and Anthony Davis at small and power forward. Unless the Lakers plan for James and Davis to play heavy minutes, they need to find better quality rotation players to back up their superstars. The lack of depth behind LeBron and AD makes this roster unworkable.
Finally, the biggest reason the Lakers cannot bring Westbrook back is this roster as currently constructed is surely the worst 3-point shooting team now in the NBA and the worst 3-point shooting team in LeBron’s career. Here are the 3-point shooting stats for the Lakers’ projected five starters and five backups. What’s frightening is there is not a single player among the Lakers best ten who is close to the league average of 37.4% on threes.
The Lakers can’t just pull the plug on trading Westbrook when the cost went up because running out an inexperienced and undersized starting lineup and rotation that can’t shoot, will be as big a disaster as last season.
Best Three Westbrook Trades for Lakers
Let’s make one thing clear. If the Lakers pursue one of the following three trades, it means they are going to go all-in and invest their two first round draft picks to win another NBA championship before LeBron James retires.
Forget about cap space for Kyrie Irving next summer because the Lakers aren’t going to waste two unprotected first round draft picks for potential free agents like Myles Turner or Bojan Bogdanovic and not re-sign them. The key to the Lakers giving up their two first round picks is getting back players who fit Anthony Davis’ timeline and can still be factors come 2027 or even 2029 on whether the Lakers are a playoff or lottery team.
The Lakers’ goal in trading Westbrook should be to fix the deficiencies that make the current roster unworkable by finding three legitimate rotation players who are elite 3-point shooters and include at least one 3&D wing. Unsaid is the principle that the Lakers should not give up draft picks, especially unprotected ones, unless they believe the players they are getting will help them win a championship this season and after LeBron retires.
Here are three trades involving Russell Westbrook and the Lakers’ two available first round draft picks that do an excellent job adding elite 3-point shooting and front court positional size to fix the team’s current roster.
1. Trade with Jazz for Bogdanovic, Beasley, Clarkson, & Vanderbilt
The Lakers trade Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, Wenyen Gabriel, and their 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks for four legitimate rotation players from Jazz including one starter and three primary backups.
Trade enables the Lakers to reduce minimum salary players from five players to just three and increase midlevel rotation players from just two to six players. Lakers also added three elite 3-point shooters in trade.
The Jazz trade is finally able to be consummated because recently traded Beasley and Vanderbilt can now be aggregated with other players. This could be the Russell Westbrook trade the Lakers choose because of depth.
2. Trade with Pacers & Knicks for Turner, Hield, & Reddish
The Lakers trade Russell Westbrook, Wenyen Gabriel, and their 2027 and 2029 unprotected picks for three legitimate rotation players from Jazz and Knicks including two starters and one critical primary backup.
Trade enables the Lakers to reduce minimum salary players from five players to just three and increase midlevel rotation players from just two to five players. Lakers also added three elite 3-point shooters in trade.
The Pacers trade is probably a better fit for the Lakers than the Jazz trade because of how great Myles Turner would fit in Darvin Ham’s systems and how he could unleash Anthony Davis to finally take the baton from LeBron.
3. Trade with Pacers & Jazz for Turner, Bogdanovic, & Beasley
The Lakers trade Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Nunn, Wenyen Gabriel, and 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks for three legitimate rotation players from the Pacers and Jazz, including two starters and one backup.
Trade enables the Lakers to reduce minimum salary players from five players to just three and increase midlevel rotation players from just two to five players. Lakers also added three elite 3-point shooters in trade.
In the end, this could be the best of all of the Westbrook trade options as it nets the Lakers the best two players available in Turner and Bogdanovic. This would be the trade Rob Pelinka should be trying to put together.
Lakers Have 20 Days Before Training Camp to Trade Westbrook
After today’s Westbrook and Beverley lovefest, expect the world to continue to ignore the obvious reality that there is simply no way the Lakers are going to open their season with the roster they currently have.
While it’s admirable that Ham thinks he can make Russ work, keeping Westbrook also means keeping the Lakers’ current roster with no way to fix the horrible 3-point shooting or lack of reliable backups for LeBron and AD. The harsh reality is the Lakers’ current roster is doomed to a fate similar to that of last year’s undersized and poor shooting roster. Ironically, it’s even possible that last year’s roster was even better than this year’s roster.
Posturing aside, the Los Angeles Lakers have no realistic option of fielding a competitive NBA team this season unless they trade Russell Westbrook and their two available first round draft picks for multiple rotation players.
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1. Trade with Jazz for Bogdanovic, Beasley, Clarkson, & Vanderbilt
Lakers trade Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel, & their 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks for depth via 4 legitimate rotation players from Jazz including 1 starter and 3 primary backups.https://t.co/Ss4dwnkG0x pic.twitter.com/faTlrQHshv
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) September 7, 2022
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2. Trade with Pacers & Knicks for Turner, Hield, & Reddish
Lakers trade Russell Westbrook, Gabriel, and their 2027 and 2029 unprotected picks for 3 legitimate rotation players from Jazz and Knicks including 2 starters and 1 important primary backup. https://t.co/Ss4dwnkG0x pic.twitter.com/zhdkk6JNTb
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) September 7, 2022
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3. Trade with Pacers & Jazz for Turner, Bogdanovic, & Beasley
Lakers trade Westbrook, Nunn, Gabriel, and 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks for three legitimate rotation players from the Pacers and Jazz, including two starters and one backup. https://t.co/Ss4dwnkG0x pic.twitter.com/vXlfOivmzd
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) September 7, 2022
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Here are the 3-point shooting stats for the Lakers’ projected five starters and five backups. What’s frightening is there is not a single player among the Lakers best ten who is close to the league average of 37.4% on threes.https://t.co/Ss4dwnkG0x pic.twitter.com/YTAx6BUz4j
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) September 7, 2022
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You do realize every repetitive nonsense post does not speak this into existence. You’re only further angering the BBall gods ensuring nothing happens. The only thing screaming about a trade is you!
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Los Angeles Lakers continue to push the narrative they’re willing to bring back Russell Westbrook if they can’t find a trade for him that meets all of their major trade criteria and makes them legitimate title contenders.
Through various leaks, the Lakers have also said they won’t take back more salary, pay increased luxury taxes, accept contracts longer than one year, or give up more than one first round pick in the available Westbrook trades. Unless a surprising new trade opportunity arises or it turns out the Lakers were just posturing, it’s starting to look more and more possible that the Lakers might open training camp with Russell Westbrook still on the roster.
But are the Lakers seriously willing to start this pivotal season with Russell Westbrook on the active roster after the disastrous results of last season? Are they going to force rookie head coach Darvin Ham to coach Westbrook? The Lakers have done an admirable job creating their own narrative about Westbrook and how desperate the team is or is not to trade him but we’re now approaching the time when Rob Pelinka will have to decide what to do.
Let’s compare the three main criteria the Lakers have claimed will affect what they’re willing to accept in a Westbrook trade and find out what’s a limit and what’s just Los Angeles posturing for potential trade partners.
1. No Luxury Tax Increase?
The Lakers do not want to pay more in luxury taxes than the $45 million paid last season. Considering each $1 of payroll will cost the Lakers $3 in luxury tax, the Lakers will not make a Westbrook trade that increases taxes.
Making sure the annual salaries taken back are close to the annual salaries sent out in any Westbrook trade is usually easy. In reality, this criteria significantly limits how much salary the Lakers can take back in any trade. Were it not for luxury taxes, the Lakers could take back players in a Westbrook trade with combined salaries up to 125% of Russ’ $47 million or $58 million. Of course, that $11 million could also cost $33 million in taxes.
On the flip side, the Lakers could take back as little as $38 million in salaries when trading Westbrook but that would not be acceptable to fans or critics. Bottom line, the Lakers will only take back what they send out in salaries.
2. No Long-Term Contracts?
The Lakers currently have $35 million in possible cap space for summer 2023. They want to limit any Russell Westbrook trade to players on expiring contracts to preserve that cap space to pursue Kyrie Irving as a free agent.
Taking back only players with expiring contracts would seriously limit the players for whom the Lakers could trade Westbrook as none of the Lakers’ possible trading partners have enough expiring contracts to trade for Russ. That means the Lakers would need a three-team trade. Ironically, the two players with expiring contracts on the Pacers and Jazz happen to be the two players the Lakers covet the most: Myles Turner and Bojan Bogdanovic.
That could be the basis of a three-team trade where the Lakers give the Pacers and Jazz each a post LeBron James unprotected first round pick to trade for Myles Turner and Bojan Bogdanovic and a third player.
3. No Trade for Both Picks?
The Lakers’ desire for cap space for next summer, Myles Turner’s and Bojan Bogdanovic’s expiring contracts, and potential value of the Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 post LeBron James first round picks hint of a trade like the one above.
While the Lakers were unwilling to give up two unprotected picks for what the Pacers and Jazz could individually offer, the opportunity to add the best player from each of the two teams on expiring contracts is worth two picks. The trade is obviously great from the Lakers’ viewpoint and probably also for the Pacers who only give up Turner. The harder sell is the Jazz who give up Bojan and have to take Russ. We know Danny loves unprotected picks.
This may be the only Westbrook trade capable of transforming the Lakers into a championship contender. That makes it worth of giving up both of the Lakers’ first round draft picks and not demanding any protection.
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These three factors are key and your article portrays them correctly. What goes unspoken is how this all but torpedoes the idea of the Lakers making any trades at all. The criteria above matches both well-established narratives and patterns of the Lakers front office in addition to considering the empirical evidence to date. Jeannie does not want to increase the tax bill, Rob (and LeBron) want to preserve maximum cap space next summer, and the two draft picks are the only tools the Lakers can attach to an undesirable contract to help grease its way out of town. These three facts have been staring the Lakers, the media and fans in the face since last February and not one thing has changed. One pick might be enough to send Russ into another team’s cap space were there to be a team with a $47 cap gap. There is not. One pick might be enough to trade Russ for players on long term deals who are moving out of their prime. The Lakers don’t want that. 2 picks might be enough for the Lakers to send Russ out and bring in two impact players. While its easy for fans and media to sign off on that it’s also akin to the fun game they like to play called “Let Me Spend Your Miney!” You have to be as certain as certain can be if you send out both picks that you are elevating your roster not just to better but elite. I’ve long been a fan of Myles Turner and can’t disagree that Buddy is an elite shooter but those 2 alone do not elevate this team to contender. Myles is unlikely to be on the floor in the last 5 minutes, Buddy potentially, as well. Myles has had a long history of leg injuries and doesn’t stay on the floor long when he does. As you poont out, both can be had next summer without sacrificing a single draft pick.
This then becomes an exercise in “is this really worth it?”. There are many excellent points to be made from all sides. Not one of them really matters because nobody making those points works for the Lakers. There is a difference which looks small but is as wide as a canyon between 1 or 2 draft picks when you consider that the next ine the Lakers can trade would benthe 2031 draft pick which won’t be available until 2024. Yes, we could be involved in draft fay trades but that’s a mighty small window for a team with banner aspirations and an oft-injured superstar.
These reasons and many more are why I have long maintained that Westbrook will not be traded this summer. Far more likely he gets moved, if he gets moved at all, closer to the trading deadline.
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The problem is Danny Ainge has to really want the 2027 unprotected Lakers first round pick to take Russ for Bojan. I don’t think he’s worth a first by himself but we’ll see. I do agree that if the Lakers are valuing these criteria, it does increase the chances of keeping Russ, which I still believe would be a fatal mistake for the Lakers and Pelinka.
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I don’t think fatal is right, if the Lakers have better health and Ham can be the motivator Frank was not we’ll have your puncher’s chance. There are worse options than Russ in the dunkers spot. It’s important to remember he was our leading rebounder and is an interesting option on the block. Use him right and you can work a mid-season trade with teams that are out of the hunt or disenfranchised with quality players.
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Russ is a cancer who should not be allowed to contaminate the team if the Lakers have to keep him. Keeping him will be total failure by the Lakers. There are multiple available trades who make the Lakers better than with Westbrook. Your plan to keep Russ will be fatal to the Lakers hopes of contending with LeBron James.
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Lol, it ain’t my plan. Just reading the tea leaves and making observations. They may not be rosy or fantastical but they’re squarely in the realm of possible.
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Hope you’re wrong. Turner and Hield trade is the easy solution. Can’t see how Rob cannot see that. But then, I don’t know how he could have traded for Russ, let Alex walk, etc. etc.
Part of me hopes this is all a smokescreen and Rob is going to trade with Pacers but wants to get best deal. Now that would be great but for some reason I can’t quite see it happening. Damn.
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There are multiple fake trades. Media loves to fantasize which feeds into fans clicking, which leads to nobody seeing the wheels turning behind the scenes. KD was NEVER coming back…ooops! Mitchell was GOING to be a Knick…uuuuuhm. Irving was GUARANTEED to be traded to us…DOH! And so on. I don’t do fantasy when it comes to sports. It’s unwise and takes a lot of mental and spiritual investment. You’re article is spot on, just not for the reasons you imagine. We lack the grease to make this machine go.
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Fatal. For one season. Maybe. Then, one way or the other, you have 2 picks and$35 million in cap space.
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I’ve been hoping to be wrong for awhile. It ain’t easy making these observations. Just reading the room.
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Sure sounds like you’ve bought into this plan to keep Russ too. Hopefully, you’re reading the wrong tea leaves.
I still believe Russ will be traded this summer. There are too many ways to improve Lakers by trading Russ to risk keeping him.
I don’t believe Lakers will throw the towel in, which is what keeping Russ would be imo.
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Lol, I’m the OG on this one. Since the “Wall for Russ and 2 first rounders” ludicrousness it’s been obvious to anyone who cares that look that two things are real:
1) Jeannie does not want to pay taxes for a team that is mediocre.
2) We have backed ourselves into a corner it will take overpaying to get out of…if we’re lucky.
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This may be the only Westbrook trade capable of transforming the Lakers into a championship contender. That makes it worth of giving up both of the Lakers’ first round draft picks and not demanding any protection.https://t.co/kGFfM8Z4Oh pic.twitter.com/6H1vajOr1p
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) September 3, 2022
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Yes the trade works in the machine. No it does not work in reality. Utah may have given up on being competitive this season but I don’t buy that Indy has. A trade for Russ is akin to waving the white flag…before camp. Few teams truly do that. Why Utah chose to is a question for Danny, but Indy wants to compete. They’ll give up for 2 picks , not one.
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Honestly, Sexton and Beasley can hang for a playin in the west if bad luck befalls a team or 3.
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First, LakerTom. I (jokingly) hint at you borrowing the Rob Pelinka pic (Photo by Brian Rothmuller/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images) from me that I borrowed earlier this week for one of my episodes (notice the USC in the background…fight on!) lol jk. Second, I am formally petitioning the NBA that LakerTom serves as General Manager to both Utah and Indiana for the period of two weeks in order to get all these trade ideas of yours done. Third, even this trade would not elevate the Lakers past the Warriors, Suns, Celtics, Clippers, Sixers, or Bucks but if you are only giving up one first-rounder instead of two to field a competitive team, I could be more at ease with that.
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I’m with Tom on this. I’m not sure on what holding on to both FRPs really does for the team (Lakers), except to say they didn’t cave in, a pyrrhic victory, the kind the Knicks right now are touting after bungling in their attempt to get the hometown star, Mitchell. (I’m originally from New York, so I can relate to the pain they’re experiencing. I also agree with Zach Lowe hat the best trade we can make is to get Turner & Hield for Westbrook and both picks; I’d do it in a heartbeat. It won’t make us be in the top 4 in the West, but it will put us at 5th or 6th, which is very good. And once Bron smells the playoffs, if AD is healthy, the other teams (including the favorites) wil fear us. We’ll have a shot! If we don’t act, we’ll have no shot and Bron’s amazing twilight heroics will be wasted.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Lakers have moved on from naïve dreams of trading for Kyrie Irving and fatal fantasies about running it back with Russell Westbrook. Now they need to figure out what they really want in a Russell Westbrook trade.
The Lakers’ position according to insiders is that they will not include both of their two available first round draft picks in a Westbrook trade unless the trade transforms them into a legitimate contender to win a championship. The Lakers’ current public position is none of their trade options, including the Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield, elevate the team sufficiently to justify giving up two unprotected first round draft picks.
Per the insiders, the Lakers are not willing to take back more salary than they send out in a trade because of the luxury tax impact. Nor are they willing to take back contracts longer than LeBron James’ commitment. Finally, after trading Talen Horton-Tucker and Stanley Johnson for Patrick Beverley, the Lakers have over $30 million in potential cap space next summer, which they could keep if they only took back expiring contracts.
The good news is the Lakers currently have two excellent opportunities to trade Russell Westbrook and draft capital for at least two legitimate starters or rotation players who would help the team’s need for size and shooting. The best fit would be the Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield, which would likely require two first round picks. The alternative could be the Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic, who might cost just one pick.
Let’s take a look at both Westbrook trades and analyze each trade’s pluses and minuses and try to figure out which trade makes the most sense for the Lakers right now and what will be the major factors driving their decision.
The Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield
Contrary to what the Lakers would like you to believe, trading Russell Westbrook and two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would transform the Lakers into legitimate championship contenders.
The Pacers trade is clearly the Lakers’ best option to build a starting lineup and a roster that could legitimately compete for another NBA championship provided superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis could stay healthy. What makes the Pacers’ trade the Lakers’ best option is Myles Turner, who’s the perfect modern two-way center the Lakers and head coach Darvin Ham need to make the Buck’s 4-out offense and drop coverage defense work.
Turner’s a 26-year old, 6′ 11″, 250 lb center who averaged 12.9/7.1/1.0 while shooting 50.9/33.3/75.2%. He led the league in blocks the past two seasons and is a career 34.9% 3-point shooter who can effectively stretch the floor. Aside from being the perfect modern center to fill the Brook Lopez role in Ham’s system as the Lakers’ stretch five rim protector, Turner also gives Anthony Davis the perfect front court mate to dominate the next five years.
Most importantly, Turner gives the Lakers an elite rim protector on the court all 48 minutes of a game and the versatility to play two bigs with Turner and Davis or a small-ball-on-steroids lineup with AD at five like in the bubble. Right now, the Lakers’ biggest weakness is lack of a proven starting center. No disrespect to Thomas Bryant or Damian Jones but there is simply no way the Lakers are going to win a championship with either of them at the five.
Trading Westbrook and two picks for Turner and Hield would be the smartest move the Lakers could make. Despite their claims otherwise, they do know Turner and Hield make them a championship team
The Utah Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic
Everything in the media about Danny Ainge coveting the Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round draft picks and L.A. being interested in trading Russell Westbrook for Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic is just posturing.
What this is about is the Lakers convincing the Pacers to accept Russell Westbrook plus one unprotected pick and one pick swap for Turner and Hield so the Lakers can keep an available first round pick for midseason. The Pacers want to move Buddy Hield’s two-year contract and are willing to take on Westbrook’s expiring contract for two unprotected picks. Hopefully, they will ultimately agree to accept a pick swap instead of a second pick.
What makes the Jazz and Knicks deal a logical trading partner for the Lakers is the list of legitimate rotation players like Utah’s Conley, Bogdanovic, Beasley, and Clarkson and New York’s Randle, Rose, Grimes, and Fournier. There’s also Danny Ainge’s fascination with stealing what what he envisions as two of the NBA’s most valuable and heavily coveted future draft picks: Lakers 2027 and 2029 Unprotected Post LeBron First Round Picks.
Could the Lakers put together a Westbrook trade with Utah/New York that matched or exceeded what the they could get from the Pacers for two picks or was close to what the Pacers were offering but would only cost one pick? The Lakers could put together a group of three or four elite shooters from the Jazz and Knicks but none of them are better than Buddy Hield nor plus defenders. Additionally, most of them have multiple year contracts.
Two only players whom the Lakers would be seriously interested in from the Jazz and Knicks would be Bogdanovic and Reddish, two wings that would be great fits. But those two are not better than Turner and Hield. Trading for Bogdanovic and Reddish would also cause the Lakers to switch back to James and Davis at the four and five rather than starting unproven Bryant or Jones at the five. A Davis, James, Bogdan front court could work.
In the end, the Jazz and Knick trade could lead to a Lakers trade of Kendrick Nunn for Cam Reddish but it’s nothing more than posturing by the Lakers to see if they steal Turner and Hield with just Russ and one pick and one swap.
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I’m definitely thinking there is no way Rob Pelinka and the Lakers cannot see what James Worthy and other prognosticators have already said, which is Turner and Hield could make the Lakers champs.
Just this afternoon on NBA today Eddie Johnson and Amin Elhassan both proclaimed the Pacers trade as the one the Lakers needed to make. Both cited Turner as the difference maker.
I think everything is about trying to get Indiana to take a swap instead of a second pick so the Lakers have draft capital at the trade deadline.
Otherwise, Turner is the prize that makes the Lakers a contender and unleashes Anthony Davis. Lakers know it just like we do (he hopefully says)…
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The Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield
Contrary to what the Lakers would like you to believe, they know Westbrook and two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield would transform them into legitimate championship contenders.https://t.co/9SDNihWq89
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 30, 2022
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The Utah Jazz’ Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic
Everything in media about Danny Ainge coveting Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round draft picks and L.A. being interested in trading Westbrook for Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic is just posturing.https://t.co/9SDNihWq89
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) August 30, 2022
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In my opinion they want 3 things:
-not to get fleeced.
-cap flexibility next summer
-field a competitive teamAll of those things are possible with or without trading Russ, trading him opens the door to the first one and could impact the second one. Keeping Russ impacts the 3rd and there’s no guarantee a trade won’t, either.
Pick your poison but if the Knicks retain Barret that shrinks the aperture even more for us to be involved in a 3 team trade as it will be more and more unlikely as time goes on that one will happen.
Once our options are whittled down to Indy that’s when I think we’ll se Rob panic and throw draft picks at the problem to try and make it go away. If it doesn’t, if Buddy isn’t shooting lights out like literally every three point specialist brought in before him, if Myles can’t stay on the court or doesn’t fit in well, for whatever reason, it’ll be a big problem for LA.
Basically comes down to how much value do the Lakers place on having the most possible cap space next summer (there are some enticing restricted free agents coming up for a new deal and if this summer is an indicator it seems like the home team is going to wait them out). In some ways a trade is settling for players, signing them as a free agent less so.
Got about a month of waiting until camp begins. A lot will become clear in the next 4+ weeks.
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Lakers’ fans are about to find out how serious Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka are about going all-in to win a championship. Get ready because we’re at that point right now. Opportunity has knocked. Will the Lakers answer?
Per Jovan Buha of the Athletic, the Lakers understand the best deal they can get for the assets they have — Russell Westbrook and two first round draft picks — would be trading with the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. So far, the Pacers have asked for the Lakers’ 2027 and 2029 unprotected first round picks as the price for a Westbrook for Turner and Hield trade and the Lakers have countered with the second pick being a swap or protected.
The Lakers smartly would like to keep one of their first round picks as ammunition to sweeten a possible major midseason trade at the deadline or to combine with their 2023 first round pick in a draft day deal next summer. Besides keeping one of their picks, Pelinka is probably unwilling to make a deal that increases salaries and luxury taxes and prefers to trade only for players with expiring contracts, though that probably depends on player.
To create leverage to get the Pacers to agree to the second pick being a swap or protected, the Lakers are actively seeking a Westbrook trade with the Jazz or Spurs that includes just one pick and no salary and tax increases. That’s a smart strategy as is waiting out the Pacers at this point in time. There is little difference between an unprotected pick or a pick swap to the team receiving the swap since it is by its definition completely unprotected.
In the end, Rob Pelinka and Jeanie Buss must remember their commitment to their fans as legal guardians of the Los Angeles Lakers brand is to do whatever they can possibly do within reason to win more championships. Their commitment to LeBron James is to use all the tools in their arsenal to surround him with the best possible talent to enable him to win. As is their commitment to Darvin Ham to get him the players he needs for his system.
Nothing is as important as giving the dynamic young coach the Lakers hired to recapture their championship defense and modernize their old school offense a great roster whose skillsets and persona fit what he needs to win. The Beverley trade has given Ham the aggressive point-of-attack guard he needs to fill the role Jrue Holiday played for the Bucks. Now Pelinka needs to get Ham the modern two-way center he needs to fill Brook Lopez’s role.
Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield is the Lakers’ best shot to win a championship this season. Negotiate the best possible terms but walk away from the table with the deal. Not with an empty hand and an extra pick.
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Hopefully, the Lakers are playing this right and will do what they need to close the Pacers deal. It is their best shot at improving the team and giving LeBron and AD the shooting and defense to give them a shot at winning #18.
We won’t be favorites but with a healthy LeBron and AD we will be the team nobody wants to play in a 7-game series. Add Turner, Beverley, and Hield and this team is a legitimate championship contender.
There is no player vailable who impacts LeBron and AD as much as Myles Turner. He is the best player avaiable. He fixes the Lakers biggest weakness right now, which is having an umproven starting center. Turner is the difference maker on offense with his 3-point shooting and defense with his rim protection.
And we can have him if we give up both picks. Negotiate tough and long but don’t lose the deal. It’s a win with both picks unprotected. Anythink ess is just frosting.
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This is the most sense you’ve written on this topic to date. Excellent article as it acknowledges there is a need to actually negotiate and try to get Indy to bend a little or risk not getting picks or cap relief. Good stuff LT!
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Jamie. Good to see us agree on something. Usually means good things for Lakers.
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I have long preferred trading for Myles and Buddy but am also if the opinion the Lakers need to better value the assets they have. Picks may not be used in the draft but they’re not there to just be thrown away and subsequently let players they were used to acquire let walk for nothing, either. Asset management needs to improve.
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First, there is definitely value in having draft picks to sweeten deals and take advantage of opportunities. I don’t necessarily blame the Lakers front office for including draft picks in deals. Most of the time, those deals would not be done were it not for the draft picks.
I also fully understand why we should have some draft picks in our arsenal at all times. That’s been one of the reasons why we have not been able to make the right moves the last couple of years. And yes, we have lost opportunities because of not having kept picks.
Of course, it’s not just draft picks, it’s not having any coveted players with tradeable contracts. We need both in our arsenal at all times. The problem is right now, there’s a greater need, which is to win while we have LeBron.
Where the Lakers have gone wrong in the past far as I am concerned is the players they have decided to trade for ended up not being worth the draft picks. That’s the bigger issue to me than having traded the picks.
What it comes down to is an opportunity to land two perfect fits for LeBron and AD in Turner and Hield and give the Lakers a chance to win this year and to be in a much better position at the trade deadline and next summer. That’s the Lakers’ top priority right now. This is a deal where the picks are really worth trading.
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I’m sure you meant the headline as a positive, alas it’s a mere synopsis of the sad state of affairs that is the Lakers.
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And a trade for Turner and Hield and maybe Nunn for Reddish to get a bigger wing.
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Unprecedented health for the Lakers and a bad run of injury luck for everyone else. Not sure anyone wants to trade for Kendrick “How many games did he play?” Nunn without a sweetener, and that well’s run dry.
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So that’s Chet Holmgren, Danilo Gallinari, and Gary Harris all suffering serious injuries in a short window
One in pro-am, one in international play, and the other (presumably) in training.
Cruel reminder that these are freak accidents that can happen in any environment
— Lucas Burns (@nba_indepth) August 27, 2022
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Here’s the thing. After looking at where the Lakers would be at the trade deadline and next summer, I still do not see anything that is more attractive than what the Lakers can get if they give up two picks now. I cannot believe LeBron signed on to tanking next season, which is what bringing back Russ really is. Let’s get a top 10 pick and avoid the repeater tax and go after Kyrie nezt summer. So Lakers.