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There is so much insane emotion surrounding Westbrook and the Lakers’ last season it made sense to objectively compare this season’s current and possible rosters with that of the 2019–20 bubble championship team.
Comparing the Lakers’ current roster with the bubble championship team’s roster is important to see how the current team stacks up against the best team the Lakers have had since James and Davis arrived in Los Angeles. Truthfully, there has been so much controversy over the Lakers’ roster decisions the past two seasons, everybody has forgotten that the 2019–20 bubble championship roster was simply LeBron, AD, and role players.
Frankly, the bubble championship team had many of the same strengths and weaknesses as the Lakers current roster, short on wings and 3-point shooting but long on exceptional athleticism and championship defense. Most importantly, however, this year’s Lakers roster will also have the big advantage of starting the season with a fully healthy and LeBron James and Anthony Davis for the first time in three years just like the bubble champs.
So Let’s compare the top-10 rotation players in the Lakers current roster as well as the same roster but after a potential trade with the Indiana Pacers and see how both stack up against the bubble championship roster.
Current 2022–23 Roster vs. Bubble Championship Roster
Not unsurprisingly, when you ignore the insane emotion surrounding Russell Westbrook and last season, the Los Angeles Lakers’ current roster stacks up very well against their 2019–20 bubble championship team.
Unspoken is the reality this season should be LeBron James’ and Anthony Davis’ best opportunity to win their second NBA championship because they’ll both be fully injury free and well rested just like in the bubble.
Missing the playoffs is the best thing that could have happened for the Lakers last season as it gave both of their superstars desperately needed time to recover and rest like the Covid shutdown did before the bubble.Like every Lakers roster, a healthy and well rested James and Davis is the key to the Lakers’ championship hopes. Whether the Lakers go with what they have or make a trade to upgrade, it comes down to LeBron and AD.
The key to winning again for the Lakers is not necessarily having a third star but having multiple role players who not only can step up when needed but also complement and help James and Davis become better.That’s why the Lakers need to trade Russ. Aside from the risk that he could implode and destroy team chemistry, the Lakers simply need the shooting and size they would get by trading him for multiple rotation players.
Topping the Lakers’ options should be trading Russ and a pick and a swap or 2 picks to the Pacers for Turner and Hield, followed by upgrading the forwards who backup superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis.While the current Los Angeles Lakers’ roster could win a championship if James and Davis repeat their bubble performances, the competition this season will demand even more than when they won in the bubble.
Post-Trade 2022–23 roster vs. Bubble Championship Roster
The only reason the Lakers haven’t sent Westbrook and their 2027 and 2029 first round picks to the Pacers for Turner and Hield is they’re hoping to be able to wait and see if Kyrie Irving or another superstar hits the market.
Once Rob Pelinka decides that’s not going to happen or the Lakers start to struggle or Russ becomes in issue, expect the Lakers to make a quick decision to trade with Indy rather than allowing the team to fall behind. While giving up two unprotected picks is a high price, the Pacers trade gives the Lakers a chance to compete right now and to build a post-LeBron James Lakers’ team that can legitimately contend in 2027 and 2029 too.
It will be a tribute to Darvin Ham if he can really get Westbrook to be a positive factor long enough for the Lakers to have an opportunity to optimize what they can get in return for their two unprotected picks.
Should Rob Pelinka be able to pull off a trade for Irving or a trade for Turner and Hield that only cost a pick and a swap, it would be a coup for Lakers’ beleaguered VP of Basketball Operations and General Manager.The thing that makes Myles Turner the perfect fit as the Lakers’ starting center is how he could be the key more than any other player on the Lakers to unlocking the greatness of Anthony Davis and his post LeBron upside. There is no bigger decision confronting the Lakers this season than can Davis take the baton from James. After the bubble, everybody expected that was what would happen but injuries and James’ durability said ‘not yet.’
The one thing that’s clear, though, is the Pacers’ trade would provide desperately needed size and shooting and elevate the Los Angeles Lakers from a projected 34-win team to a legitimate championship contender.
How Long Can Lakers Wait Before Trading Westbrook?
Pelinka has played hard ball on two picks so far, offering them only for superstar players like Kyrie Irving or Donovan Mitchell. While they covet Turner and Hield, they don’t believe that they should give up both picks.
Right now, the Lakers are likely to plow ahead with Westbrook getting a chance to start and fit. Unless the indecisive Pacers finally decide to tank instead of hover at mediocrity, the Lakers plan to play this out step by step. Meanwhile, the Lakers will try to deploy an updated version of the double big strategy that won them a championship in the bubble with an eye on how things are going for Kyrie in Brooklyn and Turner and Hield in Indy.
Hopefully, LeBron James and Anthony Davis will dominate and the Lakers will win enough, Russ will fit in, and Darvin will have them playing tough defense and buying time for options to clear and positions to improve. December 15, when most recently signed players can be traded, marks one third of the season. Unless the Lakers are doing very well, they’d be two thirds of the way through the season by the February 9 trade deadline.
There’s the fear Russ implodes, things blow up in Brooklyn or a new suitor emerges in Indiana. The Lakers need to remember very day spent waiting for Kyrie is a day they should have spent integrating Turner and Hield. Regardless of how well the team is playing with Westbrook, the Lakers need to understand that Turner and Hield will not only make them dramatically better but need as much of the season together as possible.
The Westbrook for Turner and Hield trade upgrades the Lakers 2022–23 roster to be better than the bubble championship roster and a legitimate contender this season and this decade, including in 2027 and 2029.
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You just can’t help yourself, can you? You have to put a fake trade into the majority of an article that, in title, suggests some sort of objective comparison but in reality is just a fake out into just another dream scenario that’s months away, at best. If ever.
Hilarious.You actually don’t even compare the rosters! You mention that they’re similar, which they’re not really, and then quickly switch gears into “gotta trade Russ now!” mode all while just a couple posts down you say it’s tie to start rooting for Russ. Who knows what to believe?
But I do know, I know you may not actively be rooting against the team but I am fairly certain you’re hoping they lose because, in your mind, that equates to a quicker deal for Russ happening when there is absolutely no guarantee it will go down like that.
Didn’t bother to read after you went into fake trade comparison because why bother? I’ve read this three times or more now.
I did read this part and though it odd:
“Unspoken is the reality this season should be LeBron James’ and Anthony Davis’ best opportunity to win their second NBA championship because they’ll both be fully injury free and well rested just like in the bubble.
Missing the playoffs is the best thing that could have happened for the Lakers last season as it gave both of their superstars desperately needed time to recover and rest like the Covid shutdown did before the bubble.”Uhm…no. You are conveniently skipping right past the 82 game season that leads up to the playoffs. There’s a member of that Laker season you should be comparing things to but I didn’t see it. It’s #3. As in the actual three months between when the season paused and resumed allowing all of our older vets, and AD, to heal up. The three months that allowed Frank to go over film and see how to better deploy his defense with the guys on the roster. For LeBron to hyperbolic himself back to healthy. Those three months are gone forever and there will never be a break like that again. Comparing that team to any other isn’t worth the time because the circumstances are, and will be, entirely unique.
If anything this is an exact repeat of last season, just with younger (for the most part) role-players. AD came into last season “in the best shape of his career!” LeBron said he felt good, and that gave way quickly. So here’s hoping for health.
I’ll be happy to compare what one player brings versus two…should that trade happen. But I’m done with fake trades and wishing well scenarios until January or a trade happens. There’s a real team playing tonight and I’m all in on that.
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You’re ignoring the reality that this team has the same strengths and weaknesses as the bubble team. Healthy and rested LeBron and AD plus role players. If Ham can control Russ’ impact and James and Davis play well, they’re better than a 38-win team.
Lakers need shooting and size. Add Turner and Hield and they can compete for a championship. Still need more wings to back up LeBron and AD but the Pacers trade is still the move the Lakers will make. Team’s greatest weakness right now is the center position.
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How can I ignore something you barely wrote about? So, for the sake of this post, let us actually look at the two rosters and, for but a moment, ignore that the playoffs happened after a three month break in game action lol.
(the following from basketball-reference.com)
2019-20 Lakers:
PGs: Rajon Rondo, Quinn Cook, Alex Caruso and LeBron James
SG: KCP, Avery Bradley, Troy Daniels, Dion Waiters, J.R. Smith, THT, Zach Norvell and Danny Green
SF: (none listed but a lot of the SGs played there all season long and it was LeBron’s defensive position, as well)
PF: Kostas Antetokounmpo, Kyle Kuzma, Jared Dudley, Markieff Morris, and Anthony Davis
C: JaVight McHoward, er, JaVale McGee, Dwight Howard and Davontae CacockOnly 2022-23 Laker lineup worth talking about to date:
PG: Dennis Schroder, Scotty Pippen Jr (TW), Kendrick Nunn, Patrick Beverley, and Russell Westbrook
SG: Dwayne Bacon, Austin Reaves, and Lonnie Walker IV
SF: Matt Ryan, Troy Brown Jr, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Cole Swider, and LeBron James
PF: Wenyan Gabriel and Anthony Davis
C: Jay Huff, Thomas Bryant, and Damian Jones
G (neither shooting or point…thanks basketball-reference): Max Christie and Javante mcCoyOn first look the biggest difference is experience, or lack thereof, when talking about this season’s roster. KCP, Green, Rondo and Morris were all vets who could contribute (unlike last season) and were relied on in the playoffs to left a heavy load. This season? There’s PatBev and…Nunn? Schroder? Nobody jumps out. Nor is there a savvy vet, like Jared Dudley, who can technically play but ought not who can lean into a guy on the sideline and perk him up, straighten him out, etc. Jeannie didn’t like paying for that role.
The second is how average we are height-wise. All our “SGs” in 2019-20 were larger than average and could easily slot in at the three. This was also the great year of LeBron James Point Guard which worked so well we ditched after winning a title playing that way. Why? Who f@#$ing knows, Rob over-reacts to winning pretty terribly. But having James play point to start and finish let Frank use other guys at the three, like Green, who knew how to defend at that size. KCP, did a lot of that as well.
Then there’s the defensive acumen of the 2019-20 roster. Jones ain’t Howard, Bryant ain’t McGee and Markieff Morris ain’t coming back through the door after a three month break. The center position on this team is a huge question mark, don’t bother bringing up a trade that hasn’t happened. You can’t compare reality and then bring in the “oh but wait about this fantasy!!!” because that’s just absurd. Might as well compare eating an apple to a Saturnian Hyper Grape.
Lastly there’s the massive talent disparity. 2019-20 had multiple All NBA, DPOY, MVP and playoff tested players. This roster does not. In fact, of the entire roster, the Trio is about it outside PatBev. This is a roster of hype and hope. 2019-20 was an incredible assemblage of talent, experience and grit. One was built for winning, the other just to get by. I’ll let you guess which one I think is which.
Still, this ignores the absolutely true reality that the 2019-20 team got three months off and didn’t have to travel at all during the playoffs. I will never say the COVID banner wasn’t an honest one. It was as much a mental challenge as anything ever. But it was unique in the same way the lockout banner was. Neither will be exactly replicated ever again but especially not the COVID one. There will never again be a three month layoff between the regular season and the playoffs and to gloss over that and equate it to the regular old summer break shitty teams get is absurd.
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Yeah, but why are so many thinking that the Clipps will be great. Uh, KL or PG ever hurt? LOL!
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They’re deep, talented, and have chemistry from winning without their star players. We do not.
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I do need my memory jogged from time to time. LOL! I totally forgot how far the Clipps during last year’s Playoffs? My bad, ha, ha.
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The point you keep missing is a healthy and rested James and Davis is the championship formula for these Lakers, just like it was in the bubble. All we really had in the bubble was a bunch of role players who cared, played d, and played hard. We lacked wing size and 3-point shooting but still prevailed.
I do believe this roster could be a winning team but at some point I think Russ would drag us down again. Regardless, I will be rooting for him to have a good game tonight. I want Lakers to win. Russ plays well, maybe the Pacers decide a pick and a swap are all they’re going to get. At any rate, the trade will come.
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I’m not missing the point at all. You’re equating them playing well in this regular season to the bubble playoffs. Come this season’s playoffs you won’t be getting a rested LBJ or AD, at best they’ll be healthy. If we get into the playoffs, of course. Feel free to ignore the expertise, skill and talent of the “bunch of role-players” we had in 2019-20 and equate them to this current team. We definitely got, for the most part, younger. We did not get better. One trade will not equate to KCP, Kuzma, Caruso, Morris and Green. Turner and Heild ain’t anywhere near that good.
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For the life of me I don’t get why people see the word “role-player” and think it means some guy who just does one thing. it’s absurd. The difference between Danny Green and Troy Brown Jr. is light years. Same goes for Wenyan Gabriel and Kyle Kuzma. Caruso and Reaves. And so on. Some of those guys any team would want when their back is against the wall or it’s time to elevate the overall play of the team. Some of those guys are just taking up space on a bench. My hope is Reaves can prove this season he belongs in the first group. Same goes for TBjr. They aren’t anywhere near that level as of today.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
Despite the Lakers announcing Westbrook as their starting point guard and the Pacers declaring Turner to be their starting center, there’s still a good chance both may be traded for each other before the start of the season.
The Lakers and Pacers trade is still likely to happen because it’s a trade both teams need to top off a successful offseason and stay laser focused on their respective strategies, which is win now for Los Angeles and tank for Indiana. Frankly, the Lakers don’t want to start the season with rookie coach Darvin Ham trying to rehabilitate Russell Westbrook and the Pacers have nothing to gain by starting the season with Turner and Hield still on the roster.
With the Lakers’ regular season opening October 18th and the Pacers on October 19th, the two teams have a little over three weeks to haggle their way to a mutually acceptable deal, most likely including two first rounders. This is a trade that benefits both teams and needs to be made now rather than dragging into the season. The two sides are too close for a deal this important to fail because of a pick swap or protection on a second pick.
But even if the Pacers stubbornly stand firm and demand two unprotected picks, the Lakers need to make this trade. It’s their only move right now to open up a legitimate albeit small championship window for this season. Just as importantly, trading Westbrook for Turner and Hield puts the Lakers in a stronger position to pull off a possible midseason Irving trade with the Nets, should they struggle out-of-the-gate and look to move Kyrie.
The Nets currently don’t have a starting center but have long coveted Myles Turner as the prototype modern center. Should Nets’ chaos occur, the Lakers would be better positioned to take advantage of the opportunity. Nobody knows if Kyrie is going to be available but being able to offer Turner and Hield instead of Westbrook would probably win the trade for L.A. In fact, Lakers probably have no chance at swapping Russ for Kyrie,
No matter how much they like to talk about cap space, the Lakers know there’s no way they can create the amount of cap space needed to sign a superstar in free agency, which means their only option is trade for one. Come the trade deadline, teams will know the Lakers have to trade Russ, which will reduce what they will offer. The odds of a great trade appearing aren’t worth the risk of disaster Russ and the current roster represent.
Right now, the correct strategic response by the Lakers is to step back and see how camp turns out and specifically how Russ is working. Considering what’s at stake, I hope and expect to see positive reports from the Lakers. Regardless of intent, those camp reports will affect negotiations between the two teams, especially if things turn rocky with Russ. The start of the season is miles away in the condensed landscape of camp and preseason.
Everything the Lakers have done this season has been done assuming a Westbrook trade would fix the size and shooting issues. Rob now has three weeks to pull off the Pacers’ trade and win the Lakers’ summer and future.
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Frankly, the more I think about how camp reports could affect the Westbrook trade negotiations, the less surprised I would be to see the Lakers and Pacers pull off the Westbrook trade. Trade would not only give them a long shot shot at #18 this season but the perfect package to trade for Kyrie at the trade deadline,
Lakers will trade Russ before allowing bad reports to come out of camp. Expect glowing praise for Russ and hot shooting from everybody. Once trade’s done, then the truth will come out. Lakers desperately want Russ to be gone. Everything else has been posturing and treating a future HOF player with respect.
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LeBron Comments on Mini-Camp?
Do I have college eligibility if I went to play another sport besides basketball? How does that rule work?
— LeBron James (@KingJames) September 24, 2022
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That’s his thoughts on bringing back 1 and done which pushes Bronny back a year. It’s an interesting proposition, also its always been a bad rule. An 18 year ild can buy a gun, vote, work anyhere that will have them…but not the NBA. silly.
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Naw…he was tweeting all throughout the OSU/WISC game yesterday. He’s talking about going back to play football.
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Wait? Russell Westbrook at the grand opening of his store in Los Angeles?
Russell Westbrook at the grand opening of his store in Los Angeles 🔥
(via honorthegift/IG) pic.twitter.com/HelgY7xNaJ
— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPoints) September 25, 2022
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Reports are that Russ attended LeBron’s camp. Russ probably traveled north from San Diego to the opening of his store in LA after the Lakers concluded their workout for the day. I hope I am wrong; I hope that Russ left LeBron’s camp, having just learned that he was to be traded soon, and that is why he was at his store. But I doubt that.
Relatedly, I do not believe the Pacers will lower their demands for two unprotected first-round picks. And I don’t blame them. Given how far out the Lakers’s pick are, the Pacers would be foolish to accept any protections.-
Thanks for the update, Wes. There’s a point where Westbrook screws up the Lakers chances to win and Turner and Hield screw up the Pacers chances to lose when both teams will come to agreement.
I agree Pacers have the leverage and Lakers need to make this move. Nothing in camp is going to convince them that Russ will work but they could quickly see that nothing was going to be different. It’s a free look right now so they’ll take it but there’s still 3 weeks beore season starts.
There’s also a faction of the Lakers brain trust that thinks it’s OK to sacrifice this season to have cap space and draft picks next summer. Problem is cap space is not enough to get a third star and the free agent class is subpar.
The path to a third star be it Kyrie or anybody is via trade so you get their Bird rights and can extend them. Lakers need to trade for Turner and Hield and stop there to avoid paying a tax this season, which would keep them from being a repeat offender for luxury taxes.
Extend Turner 1+1 and that would five LAL 2 guaranteed years of all four players to win a championship.
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Tom I hope youre right but I just dont see it happening. Maybe if it were actually just Rob calling the shots? Maybe.
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There’s no incentive for the pacers to lower their demand. I think the Lakers will have to either include both picks or ride this out into the season…I’m guessing the latter. Probably time to update those Laker Big 3 articles from this time last year…lol
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LakerTom wrote a new post
While it won’t make them championship contenders this year, trading Russ and one unprotected first round pick to the Spurs could help the Lakers enjoy a winning year while also setting them up for a mega next summer.
The Lakers trade strategy this offseason has evolved to not giving up both draft picks, not taking back more salary than sending out, and not taking back long-term contracts that would reduce open cap space next summer. Sticking to that strategy and refusing to include a second first round pick cost the Los Angeles Lakers a chance to trade with the Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield or trade with the Jazz for Bojan Bogdanovic.
While it lacks the big names of the Pacers or Jazz trades, the Spurs trade would only cost Lakers one pick, enable them to win more games this year, and better position them to enjoy a blockbuster offseason next summer.
1. Spurs Provide Lakers’ Westbrook Offramp
This trade has the Los Angeles Lakers trading Russell Westbrook and their 2027 unprotected first round draft pick to the San Antonio Spurs for Jakob Poeltl, Josh Richardson, and a $25.4 million Traded Player Exception.
By adding Poeltl, who would be the starting center, and Richardson, who would be the starting shooting guard, the Lakers would immediately upgrade their starting lineup and improve their shot at a winning season. Just as importantly, dumping Westbrook would have left them with two key trading chips in the form of the $25.4 million TPE and their 2029 first round draft pick to use for a mega upgrade at the trade deadline or next summer.
The $25.4 million TPE would give the Lakers incredible financial flexibility. They could use it all on one star or split it up between two or three players. They could allow part of it to expire to avoid the luxury tax repeater status. The Lakers could use the TPE to acquire players on expiring contracts so they could create as much open cap space as possible for free agents next summer. Or sign players on two-year deals to sync with James and Davis.
Best of all, the Spurs trade provides the Los Angeles Lakers with an offramp from Russell Westbrook and the inevitable chaos that bringing him back would put the team and their new head coach through.
2. How the Spurs Trade Helps the Lakers Win Now
While it doesn’t make the Lakers championship favorites, the Spurs trade provides the Lakers with two perfect plug-and-play players in Jakob Poeltl and Josh Richardson who dramatically upgrade their starting lineup.
Poeltl and Richardson slot perfectly into the Lakers’ rotation as starting center and shooting guard. Though a budget version of Turner and Hield, Poeltl and Richardson dramatically improve the Lakers’ starting lineup. While he’s not a stretch five and a poor free-throw shooter, Poeltl is an elite defensive center who ranked 7th in the league in blocked shots. Richardson gives the Lakers desperately needed 3-point shooting and wing size.
The $25.4 million TPE, however, is the grand prize from the trade as it will allow the Lakers to take one or more players in trade without having to send our salary in return. The TPE is good for one year from date of trade. At trade deadline, there will be teams looking to move players to avoid luxury taxes. The Lakers will have the option of only accepting players on minimum contracts to preserve cap space or multi-year contracts.
The Lakers have to trade Russell Westbrook as allowing his contract to expire make him a free agent and leave L.A. with James and Davis as their only tradeable contracts, which would leave them unable to make a trade.
3. How the Spurs Trade Helps the Lakers Next Summer
The Lakers could enter next summer with either $35 million in open cap space to pursue free agents or a trade portfolio with two first round draft picks and $45 million in tradeable contracts for a blockbuster upgrade.
Unfortunately, the Lakers can’t have their cake and eat it too. They will have to decide which route to go before the February 9, 2023 trade deadline so they can aggregate a portfolio of expiring or tradeable player contracts. Should they decide to pursue free agents, they will then need to convert all of their contracts other than James and Davis into expiring contracts to create cap space or multi-year contracts to to match salaries in a trade.
Unspoken but surely a factor in the Lakers’ overall strategy is finding a superstar replacement for Russell Westbrook and for 237-year old LeBron James. Still at the top of the Lakers’ most coveted list is Kyrie Irving. Pursuing Irving via free agency seems like a remote chance since he will demand far more than the $ 35 million the Lakers could offer. Lakers would have a better chance of acquiring Irving via a sign-and-trade deal.
In the end, the Lakers best option for a mega makeover next summer would be to use their two picks and $45 million in tradeable long-term contracts to trade for a third superstar to take over when LeBron retires.
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Lakers basically swap Russ and 1 pick for a cheap version of Turner and Hield and a $25M traded player exception that would allow them to bring in 1 or more players without having to send out contracts. In other words, a contract dump looking for good tradeable contracts to go with the two picks we will have next summer.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
If we’re to believe what we’re hearing online, the Los Angeles Lakers are trying to decide between going all-in this summer to build a legitimate championship contender or holding onto assets for a mega next summer.
Realistically, what the Lakers are trying to decide is whether sacrificing a long shot chance to win a championship this season would better enable them to make a series of transformative blockbuster moves next summer. Behind the scenes, it appears some in the Lakers’ front office believe they could have a unique opportunity for a superstar reload next summer with $35 million in cap space and three first round picks available to trade.
The Lakers’ challenge is they just signed LeBron James to a 1+1 extension with the ultimate goal of his retiring in purple and gold. It’s doubtful that 37-year old James would approve of the Lakers not trading their two picks. Finally, the last straw suggesting that the Lakers will ultimately give up the two picks and trade Westbrook was the recent signing of long-time Westbrook nemesis Patrick Beverley, thus giving L.A. four point guards.
Are the Lakers crazy for considering sacrificing this season’s championship window to position themselves for a blockbuster next summer where they sign Kyrie Irving and a juggernaut roster and launch their next dynasty? Alternatively, are the alleged limits the Lakers seem to be putting on every Russell Westbrook trade just a smokescreen and positioning by L.A. to convince trading partners they aren’t really desperate to trade Russ?
Let’s check the pros and cons and rank the Lakers’ three options to resolve the Westbrook situation: trade before the start of the season, trade before the midseason deadline, and keep all season and let contract expire.
1. Trade Westbrook Before Start of Training Camp
While trading Westbrook before the start of training camp could still happen, the Lakers’ current position is they prefer to keep him rather than give up both of their available first round picks to move him via trade.
While some in the Lakers’ front office are intrigued with the idea of just keeping Russ for the season and letting his $47 million contract expire, everything else that’s happening is screaming to trade Russell Westbrook. The current roster does not have sufficient 3-point shooting, wing size behind LeBron James and Anthony Davis, or experience at the starting center position with the unproven Thomas Bryant and Damian Jones.
Additionally, the Lakers traded for Patrick Beverley and signed free agent Dennis Schroeder, giving them four point guards. No way L.A. goes into the season with Westbrook, Schroeder, Beverley, and Nunn all on their roster. Strategically, the Lakers have already replaced Russell Westbrook as their starting point guard, leaving Russ in the very uncomfortably position of having to come into camp fighting to start or even make the rotation,
Realistically, the Los Angeles Lakers #1 priority should be to trade Russell Westbrook and picks for two proven quality starter players, even if it costs them both of their available first round draft picks without any protection. They should try to get the Pacers or Jazz to agree to one pick plus a pick swap as having an available pick at the deadline and two picks next summer could be critical if a key player becomes available via trade.
The Lakers cannot risk a second straight disastrous season and, as Jeanie says, the Lakers never tank. Thus, Pelinka needs to trade Westbrook to the Pacers or Jazz for multiple rotation players even if it costs both picks.
2. Trade Westbrook Before Midseason Trade Deadline
Should the Lakers pass on trading Russ before camp, they’ll get a second chance to move him midseason. The only question is whether there will be anything left to save of the season by the time L.A. decides to trade him.
Key dates are December 15th, when recently signed players can be traded, and February 9th, the midseason trade deadline. The Lakers will have played 28 total games as of December 15th and 56 games as of February 9th. That means 34% of the season will be over by December 15 when most players will be able to be traded and 68% of the season will be over by the February 9th trade deadline. Saving season goes from hard to harder.
The risks of waiting until midseason to trade Westbrook are significant. Most teams are not going to want to see what they have before making a trade, which means a trade is unlikely until a third of the season is over. Wait until the trade deadline and then two-thirds of the season is over. Deciding not to trade Westbrook before camp to possibly save one or even two draft picks at the cost of almost certainly tanking the season is dumb.
Once the Lakers commit to bringing Westbrook back, they also commit to trading him before the deadline because otherwise James and Davis will be their only tradeable contracts next summer if they let Russ’ contract expire.
Failing to trade Westbrook at the deadline would leave the Lakers with $35 million in potential cap space for free agents but no tradeable contracts other than LeBron or AD to combine with their three first round picks.Once the Lakers committed to bring Russell Westbrook back, they also committed to trading him at the deadline for the players with multiple-year contracts that will be their trading chips for a mega trade next summer.
3. Keep Westbrook All Season and Let Contract Expire
Realistically, the only way the Lakers would have kept Russ for the full season would have been if new head coach Darvin Ham had figured out how to make him and the crazy roster work so they were in contention.
Once the fantasy of Russell Westbrook changing his spots and suddenly improving his shot selection and individual defense has been put to bed, there’s just no scenario where Russ finishes the year in purple and gold. Were that to happen, Russ would be an unrestricted free agent and the Lakers would have $25–35 million in cap space, three first round picks, but no tradeable players under contract to trade except for LeBron and AD.
In other words, the Lakers must trade Russell Westbrook before the trade deadline and the players traded for should be on reasonable and tradeable two-year contracts which would become expiring contracts next summer. The ideal position would be for the Lakers to have two or three players on the roster with contracts that would be expiring next summer that they could flip with their 2023 and 2029 first round draft picks for a superstar.
Bottom line, the Lakers’ strategy seems to be to trade Russ for the best package of rotation players with size and shooting as priorities. That trade must happen before training camp or before the midseason trade deadline. The Lakers need to convert Russ’ contract into multiple tradeable contracts that either end after or can be extended to end after the 2022–23 season, That would give them the best possible position to pull off a mega trade.
To be optimally positioned to pursue a third superstar or mega roster makeover next summer, the Lakers need to trade Westbrook for two or three rotation players who will become expiring contracts next summer.
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Thanks, Tom, for a detailed analysis of the options. I don’t like the third option at all, of keeping Russ for the whole year. More than him not performing the way we’d like him to, he’ll ruin the chemistry. I’m not totally against waiting till mid season to trade him, but why? I’m not sure it makes it easier to get Kyrie (or Klay if he wants a trade out of SF). I’m very disappointed with the Lakers’ FO. If Russ isn’t traded, I’ll just watch the games on TV. Discouraged …!
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Dean. What jumped out from studying the options were the following:
1. Lakers likely to seek 1 pick trade.
2. If not available new, wait to deadline,
3. Must have contracts to trade next summer.I still think a trade is coming. It will be for one pick.
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By the way, Sam Amick was on Sirius XM this morning and said Ham already had one practice with Russ and it did not go well and that’s behind the origin of the Russ off the bench story.
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That’s very interesting, but not surprising. I think Ham is going overboard a bit with his pro Russ comments. I did think he’d be disappointed with the actual Russ. I hope it will propel Rob to trade him before the season starts. I’m positive Russ wouldn’t want to come off the bench, and Ham is not stupid to start him for long.
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Not that it matters, the front office has an entire season of empirical evidence they either view differently or are choosing to ignore. One informal practice prior to eveything actually starting feels unlikelyto be the tipping point.
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Scenario one is highly unlikely 90% chance Russ is on the roster to start the season.
Scenario two is, in my opinion, the most likely. Sometime between 12/15 and the deadline a Russ trade seems highly likely, 75% if you want a number. From an asset acquisition standpoint it also makes the most sense: there will be more assets available from teams that things haven’t worked out for.
Scenario three is the one that poses the most questions. Does it mean the Lakers think that they can S&T a superstar for 2, 3 on draft day, picks which would hard cap them but also probably be the scenario that yields the best fit/most talent? Are they targeting 3-4 specific players that could form a new championship core? Turner and Kuzma maybe? Is there a superstar edging out of their prime they think they can sign for $30ish mil? Only way the picks help next summer is in absorbing players into our cap space which is an interesting way to build a team…but it is possible.
The next couple weeks will be interesting.
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One thing to remember…the cap increased by $11mill this summer. A similar increase would leave with $46mill in space next summer?
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That’s already baked in, Here from Spotrac:
$34,340,543 Projected Practical Cap Space
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Not sure what those numbers mean. I might be missing something but I’ve seen $92mill in salary with a projected cap of $134mill? https://www.nba.com/news/nba-salary-cap-and-tax-level-expected-to-rise-in-2023-24
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You are required to have 13 players on your roster. So they add minimum contracts to the open slots. That’s the difference between the two.
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Have you ever wished NBA GMs would just say what they mean? Between cryptic comments, posturing, and intentional misinformation, the Lakers have succeeded in convincing everybody what they’re not going to do.
They‘re not going to take back more salary than they send out in a trade. They’re not going to take back multi-year contracts. They’re not going to give up two picks unless it makes them a true championship contender. What the Lakers do not tell you is what they’re going to do with respect to Russell Westbrook. Unlike the situation with Kevin Durant in Brooklyn, don’t expect the Lakers to make a formal announcement about Russ.
Let’s take quick trip to the multiverse and alternative world where NBA front office executives must answer all media and fan question directly and honestly in this secret imaginary interview of Rob Pelinka by LakerTom.
LakerTom: “What are the Lakers going to do with Russell Westbrook and when can we expect something to happen?”
Rob Pelinka: “We’ve been trying to trade Westbrook but teams aren’t going to make their best offer until we’re close to training camp, which is when we expect to be able to consummate an acceptable deal to trade him.”
LakerTom: “You’ve said you would not give up both available first round picks unless it made the Lakers a legitimate championship contender. With Kyrie no longer available, is there any acceptable trade that would warrant two picks?”
Rob Pelinka: “First, Kyrie was probably the only trade that could conceivably made the Lakers a legitimate championship contender. However, that doesn’t mean the Lakers won’t give up two picks to significantly improve the team. The difference is the two picks have to be used for players who fit AD’s timeline.”
LakerTom: “The Lakers’ current roster appears to be an unfinished product that desperately needs 3-point shooting and better depth and backups behind forwards LeBron James and Anthony Davis that could only come from trading Westbrook. Are the Lakers serious about bringing back Russell Westbrook?”
Rob Pelinka: “Frankly, the last thing in the world we want to do is run it back with Westbrook. Fortunately, we’re confident we can find multiple trades that offer a better outcome than bringing back Russ. We’re just waiting for teams to get to the point where they’re ready to make their best offer.”
“We knew when we started rebuilding the roster this offseason, that the only way we were going to be able to get elite volume 3-point shooters and invaluable 3&D wings we needed was by trading Russ. Those kinds of players simply aren’t available as minimum salary players. This was all part of our original plan.”
LakerTom: “We keep hearing rumors about the Lakers being unwilling to take back anything but expiring contracts in Westbrook trade so that they can keep the $35 million they’re projected to have in cap space next summer to pursue Kyrie. How important is cap space for next summer to chase Kyrie Irving?”
Rob Pelinka: “While we do have a goal of having as much cap space as possible to pursue free agents next summer, we would like to limit any contracts coming back to a maximum of two years so they matchup with LeBron’s and AD’s deals. Fortunately, the top two players the Lakers are targeting — Myles Turner and Bojan Bogdanovic — are both on expiring contracts so in a perfect world, we would love to be able to have as much open cap space as possible.”
“Finally, you have to remember that we are not going to trade two very valuable first round draft picks along with Westbrook for two or three legitimate starters or rotation players unless we’re able and willing to re-sign them to an extension. One of the reasons why we want to trade Westbrook this offseason is we need the starters and rotation players we can get back for him. They’re not only critical to completing this roster but also to serve if needed as trading chips at the deadline.”
LakerTom: “What is your thought about whether a superstar big three or a superstar big two with a deeper more talented roster is the better path to another Lakers’ championship? And would the Lakers be interested in a midseason trade before the deadline that sent Turner and Hield to Brooklyn for Kyrie Irving?”
Rob Pelinka: “The general answer to your question is it depends on the superstars and how they fit. The specific answer to your question is yes, we would love to trade Turner and Hield for Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline. In fact, the Nets’ coveting of Turner is one of our reasons for wanting to trade for him now.”
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I like the imaginary conversation with Rob. Good job, Tom.I’m not so convinced that he is fervently hoping for Russ to be gone. I think he will exploit any good trade for him, but may be content to bring him back, if he accepts some new rules. For example, as Russ is frustrated about his future, Ham (and RP) might be able to get him to come off the bench. Will that be enough of a change? It will certainly be better than last year.
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Thanks for reading and commenting, Dean.
It’s more like my answers coming out of Rob’s mouth than his but I have very little faith in Westbrook to change his spots. That’s going to be up to him and I just don’t see it.
The problem is the roster has been built with the idea that the Russ trade finishes the job. If no trade, then we go with a roster that’s not finished. That will be disaster.
In the end, the Lakers had to promise LeBron to use those two picks. There is no way we’re going to waste next season to get out of the repeater tax and tank for a lottery pick. Not with LeBron.
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“It’s more like my answers coming out of Rob’s mouth than his …” I wanted to write what you just said as a comment but thought better of it. It’s the perfect LakerTom echo chamber, though.
I’m not so sure any promises were made to LeBron other than “we’ll do our best to be competitive but we’re kind of backed into a corner this season”. Honestly, I think the issue that gets brushed over the most is why the Lakers are so very and obviously keen to preserve cap space for next summer.
I’m not saying I’m thrilled with the idea of another season of Russ because it could go very, very, very, very badly. It could also improve and with the less than AARP roster we have, maybe a step forward from a couple dudes, we could be a surprise. I really don’t see auto-contender with staying as-is but I also don’t see any trade, even a Irving trade, changing that.
I’m not saying there’s a player we can get next summer that changes that, either, because the main thing in all of this is the health and efficiency of LeBron and AD without which this is all pedantic anyhow. What I think we can do is assemble a roster of impact players who are either entering or in their prime on more modular deals. That, with the picks we would still have, would make the Lakers a threat to acquire top tier talent at the drop of a hat. Unlike our current situation.
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Could go down like that Dean or just as easily we see a full bore repeat of last season. Off the bench isn’t as concerning as if he’s on the floor to finish the games, at least to me. We need him to be better at the rim and better in crunch time for the narrative to have a chance of changing. But I don’t see him changing the approach that has led him to be a triple-double machine, All Star, etc.
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Indeed, Jamie, it could be like last season. Russ will never change the game for anyone. I think he was the reason KD left OKC for better pastures in the bay area.
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Good lord, man. Is this what happens when you retire? First the body goes, then the mind? Bruh, imaginary conversations putting the words you so desperately wish he’d utter into his mouth, that’s just beyond. We’ve moved off confirmation bias and straight into cognitive dissonance. Outside you and a couple Bron nut-huggers, no one thinks this team has even that punchers chance you so desperately cling to.
Hey I get it, I’d love to see another Lakers championship. No way did I have a baby just to see her wait to see a Lakers team win it all, but this foolhardy bet on this version of Lebron will leave them in the desert for that much longer. Look at it this way? What’s the over/under on games played for Bron and AD together? Optimistically? 60? 65? Let’s say 62. Whether it’s this buncha scrubs or throw Turner and Hield into there, and you’ve got around 48 wins. Squarely in play-in territory off to a probable 1st round faltering against a top seed with an actual NBA star in his prime and a well-rounded squad that plays defense and is overall cohesive. Time to stop betting whatever future you might have on a flawed premise.
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