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The formula for the Lakers winning their 18th NBA title next season is to add Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to a core of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Lonnie Walker, and Max Christie.
The Lakers almost traded Russell Westbrook for Turner and Hield before the start of training camp last season but ultimately decided to wait until the trade deadline, which in the end looks like it was the right decision. Having made it to the conference finals, the Lakers still need more size and better shooting and defense to truly compete for an NBA championship. Ironically, what they need right now is Myles Turner and Buddy Hield.
Ultimately, the Lakers decided not to trade for Turner and Hield last summer because they did not believe adding them to the roster the team had at that point in time would have made them a championship team. Obviously, Pelinka’s trade deadline makeover changed the answer to that question. Adding Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to the conference finals team would make the Lakers favorites to win their 18th championship.
Let’s look at what a Lakers’ trade for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield might look like, why the Lakers and the Pacers would make the trade, and what the Lakers’ depth chart and salary cap would look like after the trade.
The Turner and Hield Trade
The Lakers trade Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Jarred Vanderbilt, #17 pick in the 2023 NBA draft, and team’s unprotected first round pick in the 2029 draft for Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Indiana’s #29 pick in this draft.
The Pacers have the #7, #26, #29, #32, and #55 picks in this draft, which is more picks than they have roster spots. Their goal is to combine their #7 pick and the Lakers #17 pick to move up into the top-5 in the current draft. Because they have more picks than they’re able to use, the Pacers are willing to give the Lakers their #29 pick, which they originally received from Boston. The Lakers give up two high first rounders for one low one.
One interesting aspect of the trade is the two teams are swapping stretch centers and 3-point shooting guards. In Bamba and Beasley, the Pacers essentially receive poor man’s versions of Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. Bamba and Beasley could slide right into the rotation spots occupied by Turner and Hield. Since both are on reasonable contracts, the Pacers could also flip them before the trade deadline for younger players or picks.
While Beasley and Bamba have value as players and trading chips, it’s Jarred Vanderbilt and the Lakers’ #17 pick in this draft and their 2029 first round pick unprotected that make the trade a big win for the Pacers.
Why the Lakers Make the Trade
While trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield last summer might not have made the Lakers a championship team, adding the modern two-way center and elite 3-point shooter now could make L.A. the title favorites.
Despite successfully making it to the conference finals, the Lakers need more size and better shooting and defense to be a legitimate championship contender. That’s exactly where Myles Turner and Buddy Hield come in. Turner gives the Lakers an elite modern two-way center to anchor the defense, allowing Anthony Davis to split his minutes between the 4 and 5 and giving the Lakers solid positional size advantage in the front court.
27-year old Myles Turner had a career last season, averaging 18.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 2.3 blocks, and 0.6 steals in 29.4 minutes per game while shooting 54.8%/37.3%/78.3% on 11.8/4.0/4.5 shot attempts per game.
30-year old Buddy Hield also enjoyed an excellent last season, averaging 16.8 points, 5.0 rebounds, and 2.8 assists in 31.0 minutes per game while shooting 45.8/42.5/82.2% on 13.0/8.5/1.6 shot attempts per game.Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield dramatically improves the Lakers’ size, shooting, and defense and transforms last season’s conference finals team into a legitimate contender to win the NBA championship.
Why the Pacers Make the Trade
It looks as if the Indiana Pacers’ refusal last summer to lower their price of two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield could end up paying off big this summer as the Lakers could revisit an Indiana trade.
Despite wanting to make the playoffs, the Indiana Pacers should move on from 27-year old Myles Turner and 30-year old Buddy Hield and rebuild around 23-year old Tyrese Haliburton and 20-year old Bennedict Mathurin. The Pacers want to upgrade their roster this summer with a small or power forward with star upside and are said to be interested in packaging their #7 pick with other assets to move up and draft a specific player in the top-5.
Besides finally landing the Lakers’ 2029 unprotected first round pick they coveted last year, the Pacers could package their #7 pick with the Lakers’ #17 pick to move up for whatever player they’re targeting in the top-5. Finally, receiving a talented young defensive wing like Jarred Vanderbilt and two tradable players on expiring contracts whom they can flip at the trade deadline make this trade a big winner for the Indiana Pacers.
The Pacers rebuilding efforts will get a big boost by landing the Lakers #17 pick in this month’s draft, L.A.’s unprotected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young, defensive wing in 24-year old Jarred Vanderbilt.
Lakers Roster After the Trade
The Lakers’ starting lineup after the Pacers trade includes Austin Reaves, Buddy Hield, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Myles Turner with backups of Chris Paul, Max Christie, Lonnie Walker, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji.
Adding Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Chris Paul to the conference finals core of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves, Max Christie, Rui Hachimura, and Lonnie Walker gives the Lakers an elite 9-man rotation. That rotation would enable the Lakers to have an elite rim protector on the court for 48 minutes of every game. They would be able to go jumbo-big with Turner and Davis or small-ball-on-steroids with Davis and James.
From a long-term perspective, adding two major pieces who are 27 and 30-years old and share the same championship window as Anthony Davis just continues the Lakers’ savvy efforts to become younger and more athletic.
The Lakers are betting on two more years of LeBron James as a superstar and are smartly preparing themselves to be ready to use the $50 million in cap space that will open up when James retires for another superstar.Adding Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Chris Paul and two draft picks to the core six players from the Lakers’ conference finals team should give the Lakers the size, shooting, and defense to win their 18th NBA championship.
Lakers Salary Cap After the Trade
While they’ll need to set limits to what they’ll pay free agents like Reaves, Hachimura, Walker, the Lakers’ total salaries will be under the $169 million hard cap without actually triggering any of the actions to force a hard cap.
Since the Lakers have not used their NT MLE or BAE or received a player via a sign-and-trade, they are not required to stay under the hard cap. They could easily decide to make moves, add payroll, and become a taxpayer. They could also hard cap themselves at $169 million by receiving a player via a sign-and-trade or deciding to use the $12.2 million NT MLE (Non-Taxpayer Mid Level Exception) or $4.4 million BAE (Bi-Annual Exception).
Pelinka and the Lakers front office have done a great job putting together an impressive portfolio of valuable players on tradable contracts that give them extensive ability to pounce on any opportunities that might come up. Rob should have won Executive of the Year for the masterful job he did making over the Lakers roster at the trade deadline. If he can pull off this Turner and Hield trade, he’ll finally be rewarded with next year’s award.
The bottom line is the Lakers would be in a very advantageous salary cap situation after trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. The team would be championship favorites with a talented roster full of tradable assets.
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LakerTom1 year, 5 months ago
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Why the Lakers Make the Trade
Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield dramatically improves the Lakers’ size, shooting, and defense and transforms last season’s conference finals team into a legitimate contender to win the NBA championship.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/YSV59cB9l2
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Why the Pacers Make the Trade
The Pacers rebuilding efforts will get a big boost by landing the Lakers #17 pick in this month’s draft, L.A.’s unprotected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young, defensive wing in 24-year old Jarred Vanderbilt.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/6A5kzN1jp2
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Lakers Roster After the Trade
The Lakers’ starting lineup after the Pacers trade includes Austin Reaves, Buddy Hield, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Myles Turner with backups of Chris Paul, Max Christie, Lonnie Walker, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/uHDsyabhhK
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Lakers Salary Cap After the Trade
The bottom line is the Lakers would be in a very advantageous salary cap situation after trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. The team would be championship favorites with a talented roster full of tradable assets.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/2W2wizwAJ8
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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That backcourt is getting smoked. Our frontcourt held its own against The Joker but Jamal cooked us every single night. Please..no more one dimensional 3pt “specialists”.
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Per the Pacers beat writers the Pacer would like to move up a couple of spots in the draft to draft a PF to pair with Turner. There is no current evidence that they are shopping Turner, although I would not be surprised if they approached the Suns for a Turner for Ayton deal, considering they gave Ayton an offer sheet last year.
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The Turner/Ayton trade could happen. I do think the Lakers and Pacers are keeping touch regarding the pick situation, which is good as it could easily morph into a trade for Turner and/or Hield from a simple pick swap. Word is Pacers have eyes on somebody in the top-5.
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They like Jarace Walker, a strong PF that can shoot. He could fall to 7 but the Pistons might be interested at 5. Probably want to get to 4 unless the Pistons are willing to trade out of 5.
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Hard to see the Pacers trading up that high w/our pick. There isn’t likely to be a world beater available bay 17, although it always has to be shown on the court and not on a highlight reel. The main thing is I just don’t see a huge impetus for the Pacers to make this trade now.
They’re well under the cap and could absorb any number of what will likely be better than ours players from any number of teams. That’s not to say those players will be moved…yet. It’s to say that in order to make that deal happen this summer the Lakers are likely to have to overpay. So that takes into bad deal territory. Everyone seems to love to tell the Pacers their business. Yet every season they do the exact same thing: hold the line and hope it breaks in their favor. Small markets can afford to be patient like this, they’re working the draft and they’ll work the trade market to keep a blend of young an vet. Buddy Heild will be a trade deadline boon for both the Pacers (under the cap as-is w/a lot of incoming youth) and the contender that needs him. They’ll get better than our 2029 at the deadline unless he’s hurt and even then his deal still comes off their books.
If there’s a deal out there where Indy can move up by packaging our pick this season…maybe? Still feels like a long shot.
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Yessir. I can just see there could be a lot more factors than “fits pretty well on the Lakers” and “we have a draft pick 6 years out”. Indy won’t make a preseason knee jerk trade, they have time and assets, already.
It’s why I floated in both our shows that I can easily envision Rob keeping one or both of Malik and Mo, they’ll be solid assets to move at the deadline when the season’s picture is far more clear.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The Lakers need a new point guard to replace broken D’Angelo Russell and the Hawks need to trade Dejounte Murray to fix their backcourt chemistry and avoid risk of losing him for nothing as a free agent after next season.
While the Lakers should be proud of their post-trade deadline run to the Western Conference Finals, they still face major challenges this offseason. At the heart of those problems is polarizing point guard D’Angelo Russell. There’s no question the Lakers would not have made it to the conference finals without the solid play of D’Angelo Russell. But it’s also obvious from media reports that the Lakers appear to prefer to move on from Russell.
The problem of moving on from Russell is three-fold. First, he’s a free agent who’s no longer worth what he was before the conference finals. Second, any team signing-and-trading for him would be hard capped. Third, you need to find a replacement if you decide to trade him or let him walk in free agency and the feasible options that fit on and off the court are limited, which is why keeping Russell keeps popping up as an option.
Getting the Mavs to agree to sign-and-trade Kyrie to the Lakers or agreeing to to pay VanVleet $30 million per year seem like impossible pipe dreams and those two may be the only available point guards better than Russell. Yet stories about the poor fit between Young and Murray, Dejounte’s decision to decline any extension, and the Hawks’ need to reduce payroll could be hints that the Lakers and Rich Paul are working on a solution.
The Lakers’ top priority is a point guard to take the primary scoring and playmaking workload off of LeBron James and be the team’s aggressive point-of-attack defender with size and length to harass opposing points. Dejounte Murray has the size at 6′ 5″ and length at 6′ 10″ to be the attack dog Darvin Ham and Anthony Davis need to make the Lakers’ defense the best in the league. Murray could ultimately be the Lakers’ future third star.
Let’s look at the details of the proposed trade, why the Lakers should make the trade, why the Hawks should make the trade, and whether the Lakers’ roster and depth chart after the trade are a championship caliber team.
Proposed Lakers-Hawks Trade
In proposed trade, the Los Angeles Lakers send Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, #17 pick in 2023 NBA draft, and top-5 protected 2029 first round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.
The trade brings the Lakers an elite young two-way starting point guard in Dejounte Murray to replace D’Angelo Russell, who struggled mightily in the conference finals and whose contract would now just be allowed to expire. The Lakers would also receive a young 3&D wing in Saddiq Bey, who would help fill a void in small forwards to backup LeBron James and help defend the bigger wing scorers that so many of the better teams in the West have.
Dejounte Murray is a 24-year old 6′ 5″ point guard with a 6′ 10″ wingspan who averaged 20.5/5.3/6.1 with 1.5 steals while shooting 46.4/34.4/83.2% in 36.4 mpg while playing shooting guard 70% of his minutes with Hawks. Playing 70% of his time at point guard with the Spurs the year before, Murray averaged 21.1/8.3/9.2 with 2.0 steals while shooting 46.2/32.7/79.4% in 34.8 mpg. That’s the Dejounte Murray the Lakers are going all-in on.
The Hawks get two vets on expiring contracts they can easily flip at the deadline, the Lakers #17 pick this year’s draft, the Lakers’ top-5 protected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young guard in Max Christie. Christie is poised to become a regular part of the Lakers’ rotation next season and was essentially untouchable at last year’s trade deadline. He’s clearly worth a solid first round draft pick, which is why he is included.
The beauty of the trade is it’s simplicity. For the Lakers, they upgrade the starting point guard position with a younger, better player who’s the elite point-of-attack defender with size they desperately need to be contenders. Meanwhile, the Hawks get a mulligan for the failed Dejounte Murray trade instead of overreacting and looking to trade franchise face Trae Young in the wake of the disappointing season and the firing of their head coach.
The Dejounte Murray trade is a win-win trade that gives both the Lakers and Hawks a clear and easy way to fix broken backcourts without making complicated risky moves that could backfire and stall their progress.
Why Lakers Make The Trade
The Lakers’ top offseason priority has now become to replace D’Angelo Russell with a better starting point guard who can take over much of the primary scoring and playmaking responsibilities from LeBron James.
While there’s been online chatter about trading for Hawks’ point guard Trae Young, who like LeBron James is a Klutch Sports Group client, the better fitting target is Trae Young’s backcourt partner Dejounte Murray. While Murray has struggled playing shooting guard while Young plays point guard, his size and skillset as a legitimate 3&D player are perfect fits to play alongside Austin Reaves in the Lakers’ backcourt of the future.
That Murray is also a Klutch Sports Group client should only make the trade more feasible. Rich Paul has already let the Hawks know that Murray is not willing to sign the $25.4 million extension for which he is eligible. Instead, the 24-year old Murray plans to exercise his right to become an unrestricted free agent after the next season, hopefully looking for more than $30 million per season. Hence his availability on the trade market.
Knowing the Hawks gave up three first round picks and a pick swap to get Murray from the Spurs, the Lakers have to make sure their offer gives the Hawks enough incentive to make the trade. That’s where things get tough. The Lakers have to not only give up the #17 pick in this draft and their 2029 first round pick with top-5 protection but also promising young guard Max Christie, who looks like a sure fire bet to be part of next year’s rotation.
Trading for Murray would not only be a difference-maker that could make the Lakers early favorites to win their 18th NBA championship but also a move that raises the team’s ceiling and smooth its post-LeBron transition. Should James decide to retire when his extension ends in two years, the Lakers have been working hard to make sure the team he leaves behind will be the premiere landing spot in the league for top-10 superstars.
The opportunity to trade for a dynamic, young two-way star like Dejounte Murray who has all the tools and talent to become the franchise’s point guard of the future is one the Los Angeles Lakers cannot allow to pass by.
Why Hawks Make The Trade
The Atlanta Hawks find themselves in difficult position as their move last summer to pair Spurs guard Dejounte Murray with their franchise point guard Trae Young now looks like a major on-court and off-court disaster.
Theoretically, the pairing of Young and Murray was supposed to provide the Hawks with a dynamic backcourt that could both score and defend. The problem is Trae and Dejounte simply do not work well together on-court. When they’re both on the court, the Hawks are only plus 1.6 points per game. When Young is on-court alone, the Hawks are plus 3.8 points but when Murray is on-court alone, Atlanta’s a minus 6.0 points per game.
The Hawks gave up three first round draft picks and a pick swap to trade for Murray last summer, expecting the investment to pay off by the team going further than a 41–41 record, 8th place finish, and first round exit. Now with the new CBA changing the rules and a new head coach in Quin Snyder taking over, the Hawks need to reduce their payroll to better match their prospects, which means probably means trading Dejounte Murray.
A Klutch Sports Group client, Dejounte Murray will be in the last year of his contract and will be looking for a significant raise in excess of $30 million per year summer after next when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The word is Murray is not willing to sign extension with the Hawks, which means there’s a very strong possibility Atlanta will be looking to move him this summer to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing to free agency.
The Lakers’ offer of Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, the #17 pick in this draft, and their top-5 protected 2029 first round pick won’t recover what they paid to trade for Murray but it will make them almost whole. Christie and the two picks are obviously the key assets that help the Hawks recover most of what they paid for Murray in the trade with the Spurs. Christie could conceivably start and step right into Murray’s minutes.
As difficult as it is to admit a mistake, the Hawks would be wise to realize trading for a point guard like Dejounte Murray to paid with a point guard like Trae Young was a mistake. Lakers trade gives them a chance to recover.
Lakers’ 18th Championship Roster
There’s a consensus the Lakers are likely to hard cap themselves for the coming season to avoid luxury taxes and take advantages of exceptions that would enable them to sign free agents they could not sign as a taxpayer.
The above depth chart assumes the Lakers re-sign Austin Reaves and Rui Hachimura with Bird rights and Lonnie Walker IV with Early Bird rights to join returning players LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Jarred Vanderbilt. The Lakers sign Brook Lopez with NT MLE, two veteran minimum salary players, Chris Paul from the buyout market, and James Nnaji via the #47 pick in the draft. Finally, they trade for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey
That leaves the Lakers with 13 active players signed and 2 open roster spots, one for a veteran on a minimum salary and one for the $4.4 million BiAnnual Exception the Lakers can use sign a player later in the season. Critically, the Lakers were able to assemble this roster while staying under the $169 million hard cap so they could use the NT MLE and BAE. They will also be able to receive a player via a sign-and-trade at the trade deadline.
The Lakers’ starting lineup of Dejounte Murray, Austin Reaves, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Brook Lopez should be a dramatic upgrade. The added talent and size should unleash LeBron James and Anthony Davis. The backups are also significantly improved with a fivesome of Chris Paul Lonnie Walker, Saddiq Bey, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji, an 18-year old center whom the Lakers choose with the #47 pick in this year’s draft.
Besides filling and upgrading roster holes, the Lakers continue to get younger and more talented while bringing back everybody from the core of their conference finals team. The additions of Murray and Bey matter. They not only upgrade the Lakers’ starting lineup and rotation but also give Rob Pelinka an even more impressive portfolio of valuable and tradeable contracts to use to make midseason adjustments at the trade deadline.
The trade for Dejounte Murray would be the kind of unique, out-of-the-box solutions that not only completely solve the Lakers’ point guard problems but also allow them to bring back and significantly upgrade their core.
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Proposed Lakers-Hawks Trade
In proposed trade, the Los Angeles Lakers send Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, #17 pick in 2023 NBA draft, and top-5 protected 2029 first round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/d197MHie43
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Why Lakers Make The Trade
The Lakers’ top offseason priority has now become to replace D’Angelo Russell with a better starting point guard who can take over much of the primary scoring and playmaking responsibilities from LeBron James.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/2lcuUyClY8
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Why Hawks Make The Trade
As difficult as it is to admit a mistake, the Hawks would be wise to realize trading for a point guard like Dejounte Murray to paid with a point guard like Trae Young was a mistake. Lakers trade gives them a chance to recover.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/ERvUra8ADC
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Lakers’ 18th Championship Roster
Trading for Murray would not only be a difference-maker that could make the Lakers early favorites to win their 18th NBA championship but also a move that raises the team’s ceiling and smooth its post-LeBron transition.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/fYjJQaG7Ie
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Wow, what a great piece of article! This feels almost like the ultimate dream. Great job, Tom.
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Thanks, Buba. I’m tired of small guards who can’t defend. Dejounte is 6′ 5″ with a 6′ 10″ wingspan and quick feet. He would be a huge upgrade over D’Angelo Russell and worth Christie and the two picks imo.
It would be a great solution to our point guard problem. Dejounte averaged 21 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals in his last season as a point guard for the Spurs. Had 3.5/1 Assists/TO ratio.
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I also think this is Klutch having Dejounte refuse to sign extension so he can be UFA after this season. Hawks now can’t afford to pay him the $30M he will want in free agency. Opens door for Lakers.
There are other teams who could beat the Lakers with better offers but as the Lakers found with Russell, most teams are pretty set at point guard so the openings are as limited as the point guards.
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Hawks May Be Looking To Trade Dejounte Murray per Eric Pincushttps://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/CcJGaJUeRG
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 12, 2023
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Klutch controls Dejounte Murray trades
While teams could offer more for Murray than Lakers, Klutch controls situation as no team will give up multiple picks for an expiring contract.
All Klutch has to say is Murray will only re-sign with Lakers.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 12, 2023
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REPORT: Dejounte Murray could be available if the right deal is made, per @EricPincus pic.twitter.com/Crto4Kpsxv
— NBA Retweet (@RTNBA) June 11, 2023
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The Hawks don’t want to re-sign him because he will want over $30M and he won’t sign extension for $25M. Klutch can control the situation because he’s an expiring contract. No team’s going to give multiple draft picks for a player unless he commits to re-signing with them. Opens door for Lakers to get a great young two-way point guard for the future.
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I’m with it. Big, young PG who can defend. Not a great 3pt shooter so the usual cloud of disappoint won’t hang over him when he clangs a few. Hawks might be looking for a starter in return though. Also, there are some horror stories about Trey’s off court behavior floating around out there…wouldn’t surprise me if he’s the one who gets moved…for the right package.
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The biggest flaw in your trade Tom is Bey. Now I’m not sure what they could get for Murray in a trade. Perhaps 2 first round picks would be enticing. But they will not include Bey. They gave up a lot of draft picks for him at the trade deadline. He is a good young player that they coveted on a cheap deal. Beasley and Max would work money wise along with draft capital, maybe but I can say with confidence that Bey would not be part of the deal.
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I completely disagree, Michael. This trade is not about Bey nor would he be a deal breaker for either team.
This is a trade about Atlanta recouping what they can for Dejounte Murray.
It’s about the #15 and 2029 picks for Murray.
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Well you don’t give up that many picks to throw a guy in as sweetener. And when you consider that the Rockets are interested and they have the 4th and 20th pick to play with, plus some young players there is no way that the Hawks would take your deal giving up Bey to make it happen.
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You’re missing the point, Michael. The trade is picks for Murray. Any other players are just sweeteners to balance the trade for one team or the other.
Christie or Bey are not going to make or kill the trade. They’re just things to ask for or give up in negotiations. Same as second round picks.
You may be right about Bey but you act like you’re the Hawks GM. Bey is not untouchable imo.
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Everything about this is reasonable which, in and of itself, is astounding. I’m into it, although not sure we have the best shot at Brook but would be absolutely fine if he came here.
Not only would this be a great use of all three players who would theoretically be coming from LA (because it’s hard for me to see Max having as much impact has Reaves has had with Reaves still on the team) but it shores up two much needed areas. You could even swap out one or two of the players above and use D-Lo as a S&T candidate and not incur the hard cap if that appeals to both Atlanta and Russell and his agent.
Even crazier would be choosing to keep D-Lo AND making this deal and adding a lot of shooting and giving Ham his ultimate 3 guard line up to deploy ol. I kid on this one.
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I am not missing the point. The trade is typically Lakercentric. Nor am I saying that Bey is untouchable. But I’m the context of this trade it doesn’t make sense to throw in Bey. He is a young classic 3 and D player that shot 40% from 3 for them. The Hawks would not need to sweeten the deal to get the Lakers to bite if they could land Murray offering the draft picks and Beasley. The Lakers would jump on that.
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A couple of other problems. You have CP3 playing for 1.1 mi. The Vet minimum for a 10 year player is 3.1 mil. Also we do not have early bird rights on Lonnie. He only played a year.
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As you know, some of these issues are not easy to resolve.
What would be the minimum cap hit for Chris Paul if he were available?
Per Spotrac, George Hill is a 15-year vet like CP3. He would get a cap hit of $1,989,698. Per RealGM,however, the max a player with more than 10 years service can get is $3,778,748.
Assuming both sources are correct, the difference is what the league pays as part of each players salary. In other words, Hill gets $3.8M but the team is only pays and gets charged for $2.0M while the league pays $1.8M.
The $1.1M is just the charge per Spotrac for an empty roster spot to fill out to 12 players.
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You’re right, we have non-bird rights for Lonnie, not Early Bird. We can pay him up to 120% of his prior contract.
Thanks for the comments.
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The two-year veteran’s minimum. When a team signs any player with two or more years of experience to a one-year contract, the team only pays that player the minimum for a second-year player. The NBA reimburses the team for the rest, and the difference does not count against the salary cap.
This rule exists to minimize financial bias against older players. Most of the minimum-salary free agents you see sign this offseason will count for this figure. The projected two-year veteran’s minimum for the 2023-24 season is $1,989,698.
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Michael brings up a bunch of valid points, IMO. While not including Bey shouldn’t be a deal-breaker for LA I could see why it could be for the Hawks. Also, while they (and a few other teams) need to get under the second apron (theoretically) they will have until the trading deadline to do so.
Only certain aspects of the new CBA kick in this summer. This from Forbes:
“The new CBA introduces a second salary-cap apron set $17.5 million above the luxury-tax line, and it heavily punishes teams that cross that threshold. Beginning this summer, teams above the second apron will lose access to the taxpayer mid-level exception, and they’ll be limited to taking back no more than 110 percent of the salary that they send out in trades (as opposed to 125 percent in the current CBA), according to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype.”That’s not as bad as it gets the following summer when all the penalties for the 2nd apron come into effect. That’s why I don’t expect there to be quite the flurry of moves to get under the 2nd apron this summer but do expect for the trading deadline to be wacky as all get-out. A team like the Spurs, already vastly under the cap and not a free agent destination, might be in perfect position to add quality talent at a low cost since they’ll likely have ample cap room to absorb contracts without sending any out.
Still, losing the MLE and shrinking the difference in money going back and forth isn’t the fire that makes one burn up the team. I could see the Hawks seeing how this all works with a full season under Quinn (whom they seemed ecstatic to hire and with good reason) and give it until February to gel. The Lakers proved you can do some playoff damage with a mid-season roster overhaul if your two best players are on the same page, no matter what the record is.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
If you see Jeanie Buss wildly dancing and dropping dollars on TicToc like Ja Morant at Shotgun Willie’s, it’s because her L.A. Lakers have finally figured out how to compete for championships without having to pay luxury taxes.
If the Lakers are committed to bringing back and upgrading the core of last season’s conference finals team, the best roster building strategy to elevate the team to championship level could ironically be to hard cap themselves. Being hard capped at $169 million brings a set of advantages beyond paying zero luxury taxes. Hard capped teams can receive sign-and-trade players and have $16.6 million in exceptions to sign free agents under hard cap.
The Lakers’ ownership, front office, and coaching staffs should be proud of the team’s great finish last season and looking forward to even more this season. The Lakers still need a few roster tweaks to reach full potential.
They need to figure out what to do with D’Angelo Russell. Per Jovan Buha, the Lakers prefer to sign-and-trade him, wasive him, or re-sign him in that order. Fortunately, Pelinka did a great job giving the Lakers great options.The Lakers also need to decide who will be the fifth starter to replace Vanderbilt. Will it be Hachimura? Or do the Lakers trade for a starting center like Turner? Both of those solutions leave LeBron defending the 3. Ideally, the best solution might be to find a legitimate 3&D small forward so James can play power forward. The only problem is every team in the league is looking for that same exact player, an O.G. Annuby clone.
Besides avoiding luxury taxes, here are four reasons why the Lakers hard capping themselves offers the most flexibility and would be the best roster building strategy to upgrade the team to championship level this summer.
1. New CBA Favors Teams That Hard Cap
The NBA’s new CBA includes major changes designed to prevent teams like the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers from willingly paying whatever crazy and exorbitant luxury taxes it takes to win a championship.
At the heart of the change is a second luxury tax threshold set at $17.5 million above the $162 million tax line or $179.5 million. Exceed that tax threshold and a team loses its MLE and has other severe limitations. Overall, the penalties are so draconian that $179.5 million will likely become the ‘de facto’ hard cap going forward. The effect will be to even the total salaries a team can pay and further even the competitive landscape.
NBA teams who exceed a second $179 million luxury tax threshold will incur harsh competitive penalties like not being able to use their MLE, take back more salary in a trades, or sign candidates from the buyout market. The league also reduced the Taxpayer MLE to $5 million, meaning a team with salaries over the luxury tax apron will only have $5 million available to sign free agents for whom they do not have either Bird or Early Bird rights.
Overall, the new CBA was targeted directly at the rich owners of the Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, and Brooklyn Nets who treated luxury tax penalties as just another necessary cost to win an NBA championship. Look for those teams to lose free agents and trade players under contract to make sure they get under the $179.5 million second tax threshold. Expect the Lakers to be closely looking at those teams’ free agents and rosters.
By opting to hard cap themselves, the Lakers will be able to spend a total of $16.6 million via MLE and BAE instead of just $5 million to sign their own free agents without Bird or Early Bird rights or other team’s free agents.
2. Hard Cap Lets Lakers Bring Back Core
Despite being hard capped, the Lakers could still bring back their 9 best players from last season’s conference finals team, including James, Davis, Christie, Vanderbilt, Russell, Reaves, Hachimura, Schroder, and Walker IV.
James, Davi, Vanderbilt, and Christie had contracts while Russell, Reaves, and Hachimura were re-signed using Bird rights. Schroder was signed with MLE and Walker with BAE. Lively and Livingston were 2023 draft picks. Three open roster spots for minimum salary players brings the Lakers’ active roster to 14-players, 9 of whom were part of the team that made the conference finals and finished as one of the best 4 teams in the league.
What we’re seeing is the Lakers can build a championship contending team while being hard capped provided they pursue a two-superstar and deep roster model rather than the three-superstars model had with Westbrook. The Lakers don’t need to pay luxury taxes to bring back the core of their conference finals team. They can still bring back the 9 best players from that roster while still remaining below the $169 million NBA hard cap.
Rob Pelinka deserves kudos for the job he did in making over this roster. Not only are they near championship caliber, They’re young with real upside and they can bring most of them back despite being hard capped.
3. Hard Cap Gives Lakers $12.2 Million MLE
But the Lakers may not want to spend their $12.2 million MLE or their $4.4 million BAE on Dennis Schroder and Lonnie Walker IV. They could waive them both and instead use the exceptions to sign other team’s free agents.
We know the Bucks may have to dramatically reduce payroll due to the new CBA, which means that the Lakers might be able to convince free agent center Brook Lopez to accept the $12.2 million NT Mid Level Exception. Lopez might love the opportunity to play again for Ham rather than a new coach in Milwaukee and reuniting in Los Angeles with the Lakers where Disneyland is just a short drive away could be a very feasible move.
Top free agents whom the Lakers might pursue with their $12.2 million non-taxpayer MLE could include Brook Lopez, Bobby Portis, Bruce Brown, Naz Reid, Kyle Kuzma, Kelly Oubre, Dillon Brooks, and Alec Burks. Alternatively, the Lakers can split the $12.2 million MLE between two players and the $4.4 million BAE between two players to upgrade the roster so that the backups for each position were not minimum salary players.
Having $16.6 million rather than $5 million in exceptions to sign their own or other teams’ free agents is a huge advantage for a team like the Lakers who usually operate over the cap and just need one or two more players. Being able to offer an unrestricted free agent from your team or another team the $12.2 million non-taxpayer MLE versus the $5.0 million taxpayer MLE is one of the major advantages of a team hard capping themselves.
The Lakers should seriously consider offering their $12.2 million non-taxpayer MLE to an impact two-way player like Brook Lopez who’s exactly what they need since the path to the championship goes through Jokic.
4. Hard Cap Lets Lakers S&T for 3rd Star
While being hard capped would limit the Lakers to a total payroll of $169 million, it would also give them the ability to pull off a sign-and-trade for Kyrie Irving to join superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis in L.A.
LeBron James and the Lakers’ have long coveted superstar Kyrie Irving, who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer, although there were rumors that he already has a ‘handshake’ deal to re-sign with the Mavs.
But there is a scenario where Kyrie Irving decides he has a better chance of winning an NBA championship with LeBron James in LA than with Luka Doncic in Dallas and the two teams pull off a mega double sign-and-trade.While unlikely, here’s how it could happen. The Lakers sign Russell to a 3-year $60 million deal, exercise Beasley’s team option, and trade the two to the Mavs for Kyrie Irving, who would sign a 3-year $112.5 million contract. Kyrie gets 3 years at $37.5 million to play with LeBron. The Lakers lose Russell and Beasley in trade and waive Bamba. They also no longer have space under hard cap to use MLE and BAE to re-sign Schroder and Walker.
Despite being hard capped, the Lakers could still sign-and-trade for Irving, assuming he would accept $35 million per year, and still be able to bring back James, Davis, Reaves, Hachimura, Christie, and their two draft picks.
Major changes in the CBA, ability to bring back their core, opportunity to offer free agents the $12 million NT MLE, and ability to sign-and-trade for a superstar are the four reasons why the Lakers should hard cap themselves.
Hard capping not only would eliminate any luxury tax for this season but also start the process of reversing their current status as a repeat offender, which has suddenly become much more urgent with the tougher new CBA. There’s no question Jeanie Buss and the Lakers were one of the teams in favor of the harsh new second luxury tax threshold. It should bring back sanity to team building that was undone by the Warriors and Clippers.
One of the most impressive parts of the masterful job Rob did setting the stage for the Lakers to take the next step in building a championship roster was the flexibility that the collection of players he signed gives the team. Rob has all his ducks in a row. Reaves and Hachimura are restricted free agents. Beasley, Bamba, and Vanderbilt have team options on non-guaranteed contracts. The team also has two tradable first round picks.
By hard capping, Rob has three exciting options available to him. He can bring back everybody from last year’s team including Dennis Schroder and Lonnie Walker by using the $12.2 million MLE and the $4.4 million BAE.
Or Rob can use those exceptions for other team’s free agents. The MLE might be enough to sign free agent center Brook Lopez. Or the Lakers can go all-in and try to pull off a mega double sign-and-trade for Kyrie Irving.Bottom line, the Lakers would be smart to hard cap themselves this season so they can take advantage of the new CBA rules and either bring back last season’ team, upgrade it with a star player, or trade for a third superstar.
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1. New CBA Favors Teams That Hard Cap
NBA’s new CBA includes major changes designed to prevent teams like the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers from willingly paying whatever crazy and exorbitant luxury taxes it takes to win a championship.https://t.co/lTMGBacofR pic.twitter.com/4OL9FxhaA0
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 3, 2023
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2. Hard Cap Lets Lakers Bring Back Core
What we’re seeing is the Lakers can build a championship contending team while being hard capped provided they pursue a two-superstar and deep roster model rather than the three-superstars model had with Westbrook.https://t.co/qpgXE15k1G pic.twitter.com/7zIvK1enjZ— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 3, 2023
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3. Hard Cap Gives Lakers $12.2 Million MLE
The Lakers should seriously consider offering their $12.2 million non-taxpayer MLE to an impact two-way player like Brook Lopez who’s exactly what they need since the path to the championship goes through Jokic.https://t.co/HbD6K8vcpF pic.twitter.com/PjlGq4NVMM— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 3, 2023
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4. Hard Cap Lets Lakers S&T for 3rd Star
But there's a scenario where Kyrie decides he has a better chance of winning an NBA championship with LeBron James in LA than with Luka Doncic in Dallas and the two teams pull off a mega double sign-and-trade.https://t.co/HbD6K8vcpF pic.twitter.com/puolzYbbBE— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 3, 2023
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I have had the same thought Tom, but I’m not sure if you can use the full MLE and bi annual if you go over 162 mil tax apron because you pay taxes, even though the hard cap is at 169 mil.
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The hard cap is about $7M over the $162M tax line. Original estimate was $169M but because players get a little more percentage of revenue, it will be a smidge higher but we can use S&Ts, MLE, and BAE long as we don’t exceed $169M.
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The question I have not found an answer too is can we use the full MLE if we go over the tax apron. The full MLE is for non tax paying teams. Over 162 mil we will be paying some tax.
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A real-time look at the 2023-24 salary cap totals for each NBA team, including estimated cap space.
Cap Maximum: $134,000,000
Luxury Tax Threshold: $162,000,000Teams that are under the cap will have their cap holds applied to their overall cap while teams that are over the cap will not have their cap holds applied but must use any exceptions they possess. If a team uses their Bi-Annual, Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level, or Sign-and-Trade they will be considered to be hard-capped and must keept below the Luxury Tax Apron ($169,000,000).
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Hard to find concrete info on the specifics of the new CBA so far. I like to wait for Larry Coon’s breakdown.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
If the Lakers want to seriously compete for a championship, they need to trade Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, and 2029 first round pick to the Pacers for Myles Turner and bring back their core rotation from last season’s roster.
That would give the Lakers a proven 12-man roster with 9 rotation players from last season’s ‘post-trade deadline’ roster, including James, Davis, Reaves, Russell, Vanderbilt, Christie, Walker, Hachimura, and Schroder. Besides trading for 6′ 11″ center Myles Turner, the Lakers would use their #17 pick in the first round for 6’11” Duke center Dereck Lively II and their #47 pick in the second round for 6′ 7″ Kentucky forward Chris Livingston.
The Lakers’ goal this offseason is not only to build a championship team but also to be in position two years from now to be the premier landing spot to attract an NBA superstar to replace LeBron James when he’s likely to retire. The Lakers want to do a better job making the transition from the LeBron James era than they did moving on from the Magic Johnson or Kobe Bryant eras, which were followed by years of bad rosters and losing seasons.
Pelinka has already said the Lakers were going to try to bring back the core of the team that surprised everybody by being the fourth best in the league after the trade deadline and making it all the way to the conference finals. The challenge will be to accomplish that without crossing the threshold of the league’s new draconian second luxury tax, which starts when a team’s payroll exceeds $186.5 million, which will become the NBA’s real hard cap.
Let’s look at what the Lakers would have to give up to trade for Turner, what they’re likely to do in the draft, how they’re going to bring back their core, and what their starting lineup and rotation would look like after the trade.
1. Lakers Trade With Pacers For Myles Turner
The Lakers have long coveted Indiana center Myles Turner and came close to trading for him before the start of last season before backing out at the last minute. The timing for pursuing Turner now appears to be perfect.
The Lakers need to get bigger, younger, and better defensively and easiest way to accomplish that is to trade for the Pacers’ 27-year old 6′ 11″ center Myles Turner and move LeBron James and Anthony Davis down a position. Turner is the crown Rob Pelinka needs to add to the masterful makeover of the Lakers’ roster he pulled off last trade deadline. He and a pair of stud rookies in Lively and Livingston are the final pieces to the Lakers’ puzzle.
When the Lakers and the Pacers discussed trading Turner last summer, Indiana wanted one first round pick for taking on Westbrook’s contract and one for Myles Turner with protection on the two picks a big sticking point. The trade was always about Turner for draft capital with any Lakers players simply being salary filler. Realistically, the Lakers are going to have to make their 2029 first round pick unprotected for the Pacers to make trade.
Trading for a starting center like Myles Turner would allow Anthony Davis and LeBron James to move down a position, have positional size advantage, and reduce physicality and avoid injury by playing against smaller players. With Turner replacing Vanderbilt, the Lakers starting lineup is suddenly dramatically better at both ends of the court. Turner adds both horizontal and vertical spacing on offense and is one of the league’s top shot blockers.
Finally, trading Beasley and Bamba for Turner will save the Lakers $5.8 million in annual salaries, which not only allows the Lakers to bring back almost everybody from last year but also to avoid the NBA’s new luxury tax.
2. Lakers Turn to Klutch Sports for 2023 Draft
The silver lining of this season is the Lakers ending up with the #17 and #47 picks in what should be an excellent draft class. Look for the Lakers to lean heavily on their long alliance with Klutch Sports when making their picks.
The Lakers’ biggest two roster priorities are finding an athletic center who can play defense and protect the rim and a legitimate bigger 3&D wing who can guard the bigger wing scorers who dominate the Western Conference. Fortunately for the Lakers, Rich Paul and Klutch Sports have two clients in the upcoming 2023 NBA Draft in 6′ 11″ Duke center Dereck Lively II and 6′ 7″ 3&D wing Chris Livingston who would be excellent fits on their roster.
Lively has been projected to be drafted by the Lakers at #17 in several mock drafts while Livingston worked out for Los Angeles right after Klutch Sports Pro Day last week. Both are elite athletes who provide depth and upside. The Lakers as a team want to get younger, bigger, and better defensively. They got a great start when Pelinka remade the roster at the trade deadline and now Rob has an opportunity to finish the job with a killer NBA draft.
The Lakers’ scouting department has shown great ability to find talent late in the first round, second round, or undrafted. If they can land Dereck Lively II and Chris Livingston, they would deserve a draft grade of A+.
3. Lakers Bring Back Core of Last Year’s Team
The Los Angeles Lakers currently have 4 players still under contract in James, Davis, Vanderbilt, and Christie and 5 players whom they would like to bring back in Reaves, Hachimura, Russell, Schroder, and Walker.
The above salary cap projection show the Lakers re-signing restricted free agents Reaves and Hachimura to long-term contracts and unrestricted free agents Russell, Walker, and Schroder using Bird, Early Bird, and TPMLE.
Re-signing those 5 players would then mean the Lakers were returning 9 of 15 players from the roster that made it to the conference finals last year, which would give them better continuity heading into next season.By saving $5.8 million in annual salary in the Myles Turner trade, the Lakers were able to keep their total salaries under the NBA’s $186.5 million second luxury tax threshold and avoid its multiple draconian competitive penalties. There’s no question the NBA’s new second luxury tax is essentially going to establish $186.5 million as the league’s ‘de facto’ hard cap because the penalties for exceeding the threshold greatly impact competitiveness.
By adding Turner and two draft picks to their core rotation from last year, the Lakers are projected to spend $185 million in salaries and pay $47 million in luxury taxes for a total annual payroll expense of $232 million. With three open roster spots for veteran players as insurance or younger players with upside, the Lakers have an opportunity to start next season with the best and deepest roster they’ve had in the LeBron and AD era.
This summer is the second phase of Rob Pelinka’s master class in extreme roster makeover. This summer’s trade for Turner and great draft should finally win Rob Pelinka his overdue trophy as NBA Executive of the Year.
4. Lakers Projected Championship Rotation
Almost every player on the Lakers expressed a desire to see what this team could have done if they had had a training camp and full season to play together, get to know each other, and build some chemistry and rapport.
Imagine bringing back the 9 best players from last season and adding Myles Turner and 2 promising draft picks to that roster. That might be the best 12-player roster in the NBA before you even add two or three more players. The Lakers’ starting lineup of Russell, Reaves, James, Davis, and Turner would be the biggest and baddest defensive team in the league and a bench of Schroder, Walker, Vanderbilt, Hachimura, and Lively would dominate.
This roster would also allow Lakers head coach Darvin Ham to play a deep and diverse 10-man rotation that could dramatically reduce their reliance on and workloads of overworked superstars LeBron James and Anthony Davis. The Lakers know the smartest way to keep their two superstars healthy is to reduce their minutes and workloads and surround them with players who will make their jobs easier and the team far more dangerous.
Ultimately, the Lakers’ roster goal to become younger, bigger, and better defensively will not only pay off by winning more NBA championships but also by making the Lakers the ideal landing spot for LeBron’s replacement. Successfully navigating the transition from LeBron James is right now a bigger challenge for the Lakers than winning next season. As always, the Lakers are trying to have their cake and eat it too. They just might do it.
Rob Pelinka has a great opportunity this summer to transform the Lakers into a championship team by bringing back the core rotation from last season, adding center Myles Turner, and drafting two Klutch Sports clients.
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Lakers can consider trading him at the deadline but they’re not going to get anything for him now and they need a point guard and, if he will take less, which he will, then he will be re-signed.
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1. Lakers Trade With Pacers For Myles Turner
Lakers have long coveted Indiana center Myles Turner and came close to trading for him before start of last season before backing out at last minute. Timing for pursuing Turner now appears to be perfect.https://t.co/BYs4HouTbF pic.twitter.com/b7vcatdI3n
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 28, 2023
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2. Lakers Turn to Klutch Sports for 2023 Draft
Silver lining of season is Lakers ending up with the #17 and #47 picks in what should be excellent draft class. Look for Lakers to lean heavily on long alliance with Klutch Sports when making their picks.https://t.co/BYs4HouTbF pic.twitter.com/hy2kQ7N3TN
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 28, 2023
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3. Lakers Bring Back Core of Last Year’s Team
Los Angeles Lakers currently have 4 players still under contract in James, Davis, Vanderbilt, and Christie and 5 players whom they would like to bring back in Reaves, Hachimura, Russell, Schroder, and Walker.https://t.co/BYs4HouTbF pic.twitter.com/h8kbZOJVjw
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 28, 2023
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4. Lakers Projected Championship Rotation
Almost every player on Lakers expressed a desire to see what this team could have done if they had had training camp and full season to play together, get to know each other, and build some chemistry and rapport.https://t.co/BYs4HouTbF pic.twitter.com/bXoMPRAvxj
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 28, 2023
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Trading for Myles Turner is all about making life easier for LeBron James and Anthony Davis by surrounding them with younger, bigger, and better defensive players.
Defense wins championships. This is also Lakers doubling down on going big and protecting the rim. Davis and Turner would put a lid on the basket from inside the paint. Turner would allow Davis to be the ultimate roamer on defense. And the dollars fit under new second lux tax threshold.
Best team you can build and still not break new “hard cap.”
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Love this idea and could see it working out…finally…for both teams. Even better, see if you can make it a draft day deal which would give Indy the option on both players.
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Pending free agents
Players whose contracts will expire on June 30 can’t be traded prior to that date. Beginning in July, they can be moved in sign-and-trade deals, but those are rare. Once a free agent officially signs a new contract, he is ineligible to be traded until at least December 15, and perhaps even later than that if he meets certain criteria.
Player with options
Players who have team or player options can’t be traded before those option decisions are made. In other words, a club can’t acquire a player with a team option in June, then decline that option before the end of the month as a way to create cap room.
However, a player who has an option year on his contract technically can be traded, either before or after the new league year begins. As part of the deal though, his option would need to be exercised.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2019/06/nba-offseason-trade-restrictions-2.html
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So, if Indy kept them o. The roster we could trade them in draft day.
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It’s eerie how the numbers work out after trading for Turner to avoid the second luxury tax threshold. If he made a couple of million more, the numbers wouldn’t work. Can’t trade for a free agent center like Lopez we’d be hardcapped. Turner is the perfect player and the unprotected 2029 FRP should be the golden ticket to pry him from the Indiana Pacers.
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I was thinking trade for Turner a couple days ago. For Indy this trade makes sense because both players fit into what they’re doing and allows them to explore a Heild trade w/o losing the elite shooter. They know how to get the most out of a guy like Bamba, too.
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Lol, you do love to toss that ‘master class’ phrase around lightly, tho. Too funny…
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LOL. Call it whatever you want, Rob did conduct a masterclass in rebuilding a roster. Luck always has a big part in it and oddly, when you look at the results, it was the Rui trade and rise of Reaves that really changed the dynamic, And some good minutes from DLo and Lonnie to be honest.
Oddly, in retrospect, it was the Westbrook trade that we’re still not satisfied with. Beasley and Bamba and the 2029 unprotected FRP for Turner seems like a win-win for both teams. Frankly, Rob and Darvin have been making all the right moves and there’s a history of the Lakers coveting Turner so it’s not a crazy and wild idea. It has roots so I would not be surprised if we see Rob pursue it.
I definitely think we need to be able to go big even if we decided to keep AD playing the five. I’m hoping Pelinka also sees that going big would help us defensively and reduce wear-and-tear on our two fragile superstars.
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As always….fails to look at this from the other side. An easy web search told me all I needed to know about why the Pacers are highly unlikely to do this. Has alot to do with them re-doing his contract a few months ago and their plans going forward.
I REALLY don’t feel like doing this for the next 8 months….smdh
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Have to agree with this logic, might be we end doing a Russ 2.0 in that we end up keeping both guys to be used later in the year. Especially since now that Rob popped his “in-season trade” cherry. Seems more likely we trade for a guy like Randle, Collins or DeRozan. But the $$$ works well, might be accomplished w/an over-pay in draft picks.
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Man, I wish this dude would just retire. Myles Turner will never be a Laker. Indy won’t give him up for anything less than a king’s ransom. They were doing pretty well until Halliburton got hurt. They’ve got a plucky second-round team there, which for Indy may as well be a championship contender.
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If the Lakers want to seriously compete for a championship, they need to trade Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, and 2029 first round pick to the Pacers for Myles Turner and bring back their core rotation from last season’s roster.https://t.co/w90aCQuhsp
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 28, 2023
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Assuming Lakers can bring back 4 players under contract and 5 free agents for salaries listed, they can then trade Beasley and Bamba for Turner or any player under contract making up to $22.6M per year. Here are the candidates who fit that description: https://t.co/htqQ24J3Pj pic.twitter.com/pwOrouOknd
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) May 31, 2023
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LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers are down 0–3 and facing the harsh reality that none of the 149 NBA teams who found themselves down 0–3 was ever able to mount a comeback and win a 7-game playoff series.
Make no mistake. LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and the Lakers are not going wave a white flag or throw in the towel. As long as LeBron James and Anthony Davis can lace them up, they’re going to keep on trying to win. James has always had a problematic relationship with the ‘impossible’ and actually proved it was possible to come back from 1–3 in the NBA Finals. What makes you think LeBron can’t make coming back from 0–3 possible?
The most frustrating and infuriating part of being down 0–3 to the Nuggets is that the Lakers had opportunities to win all three games but essentially were clearly outplayed in the last five minutes of each of the three games. The reality from the first three games of the Western Conference Finals is the Nuggets are now better than the Lakers and Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray are now better superstars than LeBron James and Anthony Davis.
Frankly, I’m not ready to accept those conclusions from a 3-game sample. Nor am I as a fan, ready to concede LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and the Los Angeles Lakers can’t win four straight games from the Denver Nuggets. It certainly won’t be easy, especially with two of the four games in Denver, but the Lakers have no choice but to take the series one game at a time. Right now, the goal is to win Game 4 Monday night and extend the series.
Assuming the Lakers are going to try and win Game 4 Monday night, there are questions to answer, including how hard should Lakers be trying, who should start, and how hard and long to play injury-prone James and Davis.
How Hard Should Lakers Try?
There’s no way this Lakers team doesn’t come out with an all-out desperate aggressive attempt to win Game 4 and force the series to Game 5. This team has never quit and they’re going to die trying before getting swept in four.
Lebron James is 14–11 in elimination games and while no NBA team has ever come back from being down 0–3, he’s the one who’s proven before that ‘once impossible’ tasks can sometimes be changed to ‘now possible’ tasks. Being down 0–3 to the Nuggets is going to be a great character test for this Lakers team. Do they fold like wet laundry or come out angry and defiant and ready to prove they’re not overrated and overhyped as Nuggets claim?
As LeBron showed against the Dubs, nothing is impossible. Win Monday night and the series becomes 1–3. Denver can still pull off a Gentleman’s Sweep. Win in Denver on Wednesday night and then everything changes. Suddenly, the series is 2–3 and the Lakers are just 1 home win away from forcing a Game 7. Win Game 7 in Denver and the Lakers are then just four wins against the Miami Heat from winning their 18th NBA Championship.
The Lakers have to be asking themselves as players and team if they believe they’re still the same team they were before the conference finals began, the team that was totally confident they could beat anybody and win it all? Or did the brash Denver Nuggets steal their competitive soul along with their championship hopes by winning those three games? Or even worse, irreparably damage their self-confidence to be champions in the future?
How the Lakers play tonight will give you their answer. I, for one, fully expect nothing but the kind of win we expected but did not get in Game 3. Lakers have a lot to fight for and prove tonight by preventing a sweep.
Should Ham Change Starters?
Winning Game 4 is an opportunity for Darvin Ham to change the narrative of the 2023 West Finals from his being outcoached by the Nuggets’ Michael Malone to how the Lakers smartly fought back and turned 0–3 into a series.
The first move that Ham needs to make is to bench D’Angelo Russell, who has potentially played himself off of the Lakers and out of a new free agent deal close to the $30 million he’s making in the last year of his contract. While Game 4 could be an opportunity for D’Angelo Russell to start to redeem himself, he’s going to have to be content to do that off the bench. The Lakers need to win this game to avoid an embarrassing sweep.
His logical replacement should be Dennis Schroder, who has the Lakers’ best defensive rating in the series but he has not been providing the outside shooting, points at the rim, or playmaking in the paint the Lakers need. Darvin Ham might be smart to turn instead to Lonnie Walker IV or even untested Max Christie, both of whom have the size and length to defend Murray and the handle, shooting, and playmaking to complement Reaves.
Finally, Darvin Ham needs to start Rui Hachimura, who is the only Lakers player in this series with a positive plus/minus. Hachimura is averaging 10 points per game more than any player not named James, Davis, or Reaves. His ability to play Nikola Jokic 1-on-1 with Anthony Davis providing weak side help has been the Lakers only effective defensive scheme against the Nuggets’ two-time MVP. Hachimura needs play 40 minutes in Game 4.
Darvin Ham will likely start Schroder, Reaves, James, Hachimura, and Davis for Game 4. Russell and Vanderbilt will come off the bench but have short leashes. Lakers need to get off to fast start to lesseon the pressure.
Load Manage James and Davis?
Much as the Lakers would like to pull off a miracle comeback from being down 0–3, the last thing this franchise needs to do is risk a major injury to one of their superstars in a game that has only a remote chance to matter.
Ham and the Lakers should go all out to win this game because it is a test of their heart and character but leaving James and Davis in the game should the Nuggets get ahead by more than 10 points would be too foolish to risk. Both LeBron James and Anthony Davis have long time foot injuries that may require offseason surgery. They both have essentially been playing ‘must win’ games for over two months and they have to be exhausted.
Frankly, the Lakers and their fans desperately need to win Monday night and avoid the bad taste of getting swept. Somehow, some way, Los Angeles has to figure out how to win and keep the series going back to Denver. That’s why Game 4 is so important. The last thing the Lakers want is to spend the entire summer after being swept in a series they thought they could win. All they can do at this point is play one game at a time.
As for James and Davis, the Lakers’ load management has to incorporate the odds the team is playing against when it comes to heavily relying on James and Davis to play heavy minutes under intense playoff pressure. Until the Lakers win a couple of games, the Lakers have to be careful not to risk James and Davis getting injured in playoff games they’re likely to lose. Should the Lakers get the series to 2–3, then it’s all out for James and Davis.
The ideal situation for Game 4 would be for the Lakers to lead the Nuggets by 20 at the half and seal the game in the third quarter so James and Davis could sit the entire fourth quarter. Do that and Lakers will be alive.
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You can’t wear your heart on your sleeve for this team all season long and then give up on them when things go wrong. If there ever was a situation where a team could come back from down 0-3, this Lakers team with what they’ve already accomplished and with LeBron James and Anthony Davis and crew could be it. My prediction is now Lakers in 7.
So one game at a time for at least the next two games but win those and everything changes because Lakers would be down 2-3 and on the way back to LA for a home game to force a game 7. Lakers just need to be careful not to get anybody injured in a game that could very possibly end up being meaningless.
This is a character test for Ham, LeBron, AD, DLO, Rui, Vando, and the entire team. Do they quit like Boston or figure something out and start an unbelievable reverse sweep to get into the Finals and win #18. Seriously, the championship is still there to be taken. Just do it!
This is the NBA. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!
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Hope is dangling by a thread for sure Tom. But one thing we know is this team doesn’t quit. They will go down fighting. They have been fighting for months and that won’t stop today. Like I’ve posted before I think fatigue has a lot to do with it. Denver began resting players in March while we had to battle. The games have been close and have come down to late execution. Focus is a casualty of fatigue and we have seen that. I would like to see both LeBron and AD play fewer minutes but I don’t know if that’s possible. I do believe if we can win the next 2 the pressure will shift to the Nuggets. The Nuggets have never been to the finals and the weight of expectations from their city will rest on their shoulders. Hopefully we will get a chance to see how they handle that pressure.
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Agree 100%, Michael. It’s ironic how the Lakers and the Celtics situations get treated the same. Lakers could be up 3-0 with some better play and good luck. They never quit, even after taking a haymaker blow. The Celtics meanwhile totally quit after getting embarrassed.
I also agree with you that if we can win 2, the pressure shifts. That’s what I’m rooting for. Let’s win the next 2 and see what the pressure does to the Nuggets. If any team can do it, it’s this team. They’ll do it or die trying. That’s enough for me. But #18 is so damn close….
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Problem is, this ain’t the LEBRON JAMES of the past. It’s just Le Bron…not the same dude. Sad to say, he’s only the 4th best player in this series and that’s never happened before. He’s on his way to just being L.James. But we’re expecting him to play 40+ minutes, bang with Jokic on defense, drive to the basket relentlessly, and now also be the point guard cuz D.Russell is a mess. All in his 20th season. That dog don’t hunt. …
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LeBron and the Lakers will need help from the basketball gods for sure to come back from down 0-3. Let’s hope the NBA and the refs want the series to go 7 and the Lakers 3-point shooters can drink some of the same Kool Aid the Heat’s players are drinking.
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The refs put DEN in foul trouble last game and we failed to capitalize on it.
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I’ll be bummed if the Lakers lay down for this one, although historically they come up short when down 3-0. I was actually thinking of taking my daughter to the game but it’ll be a tough slog to get there in time after work with the early start time.
At any rate I really want to see this team throw it’s best punch in this game. I don’t feel like we have in this series, game 1 coming the closest.
D-Lo is a massive X factor and has been below average in this one, need him to step up in a big way for anything positive to happen.
Vando, in whatever minutes he gets, needs to be more of factor and if that means not taking the corner three but driving it to the rim, so be it.
In the end it will, and has always, come down to what LeBron and AD are capable of bringing. They need to bring the thunder and the fire for some hard core Fire Thunder.
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Well said, Jamie. Let’s see their best punch tonight. Prove you belong is step 1 to coming back. Here are the goals:
1. Game 4 – Avoid the Sweep
2. Game 5 – Win this and everything changes.
3. Game 6 – Chance to win home game and make Game 7.
4. Game 7 – Chance to make history, the Finals, and #18.
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