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The first domino in the Los Angeles Lakers’ offseason strategy has just fallen as they’ve declined their $16.5 million team option for Malik Beasley and waived Mo Bamba and his $11.3 million non-guaranteed contract.
Giving up $27.8 million in player contracts without getting anything in return would normally be malpractice but in this case it’s a calculated move to open up $16.9 million in cap exceptions to sign free agents we could not access.
While using the exceptions will hard cap Lakers at $172.3 million, it also allows them to use the $12.4 million NT MLE (non-taxpayer MLE) and the $4.5 million BAE (Bi-Annual Exception) to sign two or more free agents.Those two exceptions gives the Lakers access to free agents over-the-cap teams like them never get. In this case, the Lakers goal is to use their $12.4 million NT MLE to sign coveted free agent Brook Lopez or Bruce Brown.
In a perfect world, the Los Angeles Lakers could end up signing Bruce Brown to be their starting small forward with the $12.4 million NT MLE and Mason Plumlee to be their backup center with the $4.5 million BAE.It does not look good for the Milwaukee Bucks or Denver Nuggets to re-sign Brook Lopez or Bruce Brown. The Bucks will likely prioritize re-signing Middleton and won’t be able to match $20 million per year offer for Lopez. The Nuggets are in worse shape as they only have non-Bird rights so the best they can offer Bruce Brown is 20% raise in the form of $7.8 million per year contract, almost $5 million per year less than what Lakers can offer.
While it’s possible Brook Lopez and Bruce Brown will get offers greater than the $12.4 million NT MLE the Lakers can offer, it’s also possible they won’t and Los Angeles will be able to sign one of them with their NT MLE. Most pundits think Lopez is more likely than Brown to get offers greater than $12.4 million. The Rockets are rumored to be willing to offer the 35-year old Brook Lopez a multi-year contract starting at $20 million per year.
The other thing to consider is both Brook Lopez and Bruce Brown have recently won NBA championships and may not be satisfied to take more money from a team that doesn’t have a chance to be a legitimate contender. With Brown, there’s also the carrot of a starting job to offer. While Bruce is only 6′ 4″, he has a 6′ 9″ wingspan and has spent most of this time playing small forward and not shooting guard. He could start at the two or three.
Reports say the Lakers are “increasingly confident” they can sign Bruce Brown with their $12.4 million NT MLE although it’s been reported that Brown will meet with the Nuggets front office at the start of free agency. Who knows whether that means Brown is still considering taking $7.8 million per year to return to Denver or he’s just giving proper respect to the front office and team that gave him the opportunity to win a gold ring.
At any rate, the Los Angeles Lakers are doing exactly what they told you they were going to do. They’re bringing back their conference finals team and looking to upgrade with a free agent like Brook Lopez or Bruce Brown.
Here’s a breakdown of projected salaries for hard capped Lakers
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LakerTom1 year, 4 months ago
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My money is on Bruce Brown. Bucks have bird rights and there is indication that they don’t want him back. Per Marc Stein.
“In related news, league sources say that Milwaukee is indeed in a promising position when it comes to re-signing both Khris Middleton and Brook Lopez,” Stein wrote. “My sense is that a new deal for Middleton is all but assured at this point, while word is Lopez—despite Houston’s well-chronicled interest and the presumed threat to a Rockets bid would carry—is likewise leaning toward a Bucks return.” There are several articles saying the same thing, that Brook is leaning towards returning. -
I dunno LT, looks like same ol same ol? We shall see I guess. How bout German! Wow!
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You have to believe the Lakers had a good idea of whom they could sign with the MLE and BAE before they let Beasley and Bamba go. If they don’t land Brook Lopez or Bruce Brown, it will be disappointing. They could even end up using the NT MLE on Beasley and the BAE on Bamba.
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I would love to have Lopez but I don’t see it happening. It is like a dream to me. But please God let this happen. If that happens I will be driving around Atlanta with my horns blaring as if we had just won a championship.
I have been chirping about our need for size and 3-point shooting since our season ended, and Lopez checks both. What hurts us more in the Denver series was a lack of effective big men outside of AD. If the Lakers can also add Bruce Brown that would be a huge upgrade. Here is hoping that we get both.
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Time for love of Darvin Ham and Disneyland to motivate Brook to consider coming home to LA for the NT MLE.
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I’d like to see us go after Plumlee over Lopez and then hopefully have money for Bruce Brown as well.I can roll with that roster. Not sure if Plumlee will come cheap cuz he had a very good showing during his time with the Clipps, but I’d much rather him at a fraction of what it’ll take to get Lopez. Better to see a larger chunk of change going to Brown and end up with 2 dudes who seem to fit what D.Ham likes to do. We’re still inadequate in the backcourt but there’s not a whole lot out there who would be realistic options for us.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
As their strategy to go big and pursue a modern starting center like Myles Turner, Kristaps Porzingis, or Naz Reid slowly implodes, the Lakers would be smart to try to steal center Brook Lopez from the Milwaukee Bucks.
Realistically, Brook Lopez may be the Lakers’ last chance to acquire a modern starting center this summer. The Pacers may be unwilling to trade Turner and Porzingis and Reid have already been traded to competitors. The Lakers believe their conference finals run ended partly due to their lack of positional size advantage against the Nuggets. Starting Lopez at center and moving James and Davis down a position would solve that.
While Lopez is 35 and injury prone, he’s also coming off what could be his career best season, shooting 37.4% from deep, blocking the 3rd most shots in the league, and finishing a close second to Jaren Jackson, Jr. for DPOY. Frankly, Brook is not only a perfect a fit for what L.A. needs at center as he can stretch the floor and protect the rim but now he may also now be the last available, affordable modern starting center left this summer.
Let’s look at what Brook Lopez’ is worth today as a free agent, whom the Lakers will be competing with to acquire him, and what the Lakers sign-and-trade deal, depth chart, and salary cap will look like post-trade.
What Is 35-Year Old Brook Lopez’ Market Value?
Lopez just finished a 4-year $52 million contract with the Milwaukee Bucks, who are at a franchise crossroads with Mike Budenholzer being fired and both Brook Lopez and Khris Middleton hitting unrestricted free agency.
Brook averaged 15.9 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 2.5 blocks, 0.5 steals in 30.4 minutes per game while shooting 53.1% from the field, 37.4% from deep, and 78.4% from the line on 11.5 shots, 4.7 threes, and 2.4 free throws. Were he 25-years old rather than 35-years old, Lopez would be worth a max salary. Regardless of age, Brook had a year for which he deserves a raise from the $13 million per year he earned in his last contract with the Bucks.
The maximum deal Brook can sign with the Bucks is $54 million over three years due to the “over-38-rule,” which prevents him from signing a deal for four years or longer since he would turn 38-years old during that contract. Right now, it’s unknown whether the Bucks are going to bring back Lopez and/or Middleton. Milwaukee knows their core is getting older and the first round exit in the playoffs could motivate the front office to get younger.
Most NBA prognosticators project 35-year old Brook Lopez’ contract value as between $40 to $60 million over three years but the Milwaukee Bucks are rumored to want to sign him to a 2-year deal for between $30 to $35 million. The Athletic’s John Hollinger’s BORD$ value for Lopez is $16,241,034 though he says: “I don’t think the money gets quite as low as this, but maybe something in the range of $55 million to $60 million over three years?”
The Los Angeles Lakers have a unique opportunity to steal Brook Lopez from the Milwaukee Bucks and other NBA teams. Brook Lopez is likely going to command a fully guaranteed 3-year contract for $50-60 million.
Who Are Lakers’ Competition For Brook Lopez?
The NBA teams listed as free agent destinations for Brook Lopez include the Houston Rockets, Sacramento Kings, Dallas Mavericks, Atlanta Hawks, New Orleans Pelicans, Los Angeles Clippers, and Los Angeles Lakers.
The Bucks have to be considered to be the favorites to re-sign Brook Lopez and it would not be a complete surprise if they made a move before free agency to lock him up similar to what the Timberwolves did with Naz Reid. Of the other teams interested in signing Lopez in free agency, the Rockets, Spurs, Thunder, Hawks, and Kings can all create enough cap space to sign Brook Lopez in free agency this summer for 3-years and up to $60 million.
While the Lakers could make moves to pursue Lopez in free agency, it makes more sense for them to pursue a sign-and-trade for him even though that would hardcap them at $172.7 million total payroll for next season. The difference is the Lakers would have to renounce D’Angelo Russell to create the cap space to sign Brook Lopez as free agent, which would then limit the Lakers to only being able to offer Russell the $12.4 million MLE.
Bottom line, there’s going to be no shortage of NBA teams interested in signing Brook Lopez in free agency next week but the big question is how many will be willing to give 35-year old center a guaranteed 3-year deal? The fact that Brook Lopez played for and has great respect for Lakers’ head coach Darvin Ham during his years as an assistant for Mike Budenholzer on the Milwaukee Bucks could give the Lakers an edge over other teams.
Brook Lopez is likely looking at the last contract of his career so there’s always the chance he will chase the most money. In any event, the Lakers need to offer him three years and $60 million guaranteed to sign him.
How Do Lakers Look After Brook Lopez Trade?
While the Lakers could renounce players they do not plan to keep to create cap space to sign Brook Lopez to a guaranteed 3-year $60 million free agent contract, the cleaner and smarter route would be to sign-and-trade for him.
While signing-and-trading for Lopez would hard cap the Lakers’ total team salaries at $172.3 million for next season, they would still be able to bring back the core of the roster that made it to the Western Conference Finals. James, Davis, Vanderbilt, and Christie were under contract. Lakers used Bird rights to re-sign Russell, Reaves, and Hachimura and the BAE to bring back Lonnie Walker IV. Along with Lopez, that’s a solid 9-man rotation.
Note this scenario assumes the Lakers plan to rely on the acumen of their scouting staff to fill out the roster with more less-expensive two-way and undrafted players and fewer more-expensive minimum-salary veterans. Here’s a detailed breakdown of the salary cap that shows the salary for each player next season and the total team payroll and then compares that total to the two luxury tax aprons and calculates how much the team is under.
The Lakers have a unique opportunity to approach Brook Lopez with a proposed 3-year $60 million sign-and-trade to return to Los Angeles as the team’s starting center with a special lifetime Gold Pass to Disneyland.
With the Nuggets officially crowned and the Warriors and Suns building superteams, the Lakers’ path to this season’s NBA championship is likely to be tougher and more difficult and challenging than faced last season. While the Lakers plan to bring back most of the core from their conference finals team and have pledged to upgrade the team to championship caliber. The surest and easiest way to do that is to sign-and-trade for Brook Lopez.
Signing-and-trading for Brook Lopez and adding him to the core of their conference finals team is the kind of move that should transform the Los Angeles Lakers into the favorite to win the 2023-24 NBA Championship.
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Let’s look at what Brook Lopez’ is worth today as a free agent, whom the Lakers will be competing with to acquire him, and what the Lakers sign-and-trade deal, depth chart, and salary cap will look like post-trade.https://t.co/MPVWqvVTIR
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 28, 2023
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What Is 35-Year Old Brook Lopez’ Market Value?
The Los Angeles Lakers have a unique opportunity to steal Brook Lopez from Milwaukee Bucks and other NBA teams. Brook Lopez is likely going to command a fully guaranteed 3-year contract for $50-60 million.https://t.co/MPVWqvVTIR pic.twitter.com/U5ZiLEdZQL
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 28, 2023
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How Do Lakers Look After Brook Lopez Trade?
While signing-and-trading for Lopez would hard cap Lakers’ total team salaries at $172.3 million for next season, they would still be able to bring back core of roster that made it to Western Conference Finals.https://t.co/MPVWqvVTIR pic.twitter.com/eAxb2sVecj
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 28, 2023
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Rookies have no no monetary value until they are signed and can not be traded for 30 days after signing a contract. I wonder if Lopez would even want to come back, considering the Lakers totally dissed him when he wanted to stay and was willing to sign for 5 mil. I think it would be pretty ugly watching LeBron trying to keep up with young athletic wings in year 21. Lebron generally was assighned the worst offensive player last year. remember we had Patbev guarding guys loke PG and Tatum last year. there is a reason for tthat.
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Aloha, Michael,
It’s not that I don’t share your concern about LeBron having to defend small forward, it’s just that I think the benefits of having a modern starting five like Turner or Lopez are greater.
I also think it’s important for the team to get depth behind both LeBron and AD to reduce their workload and provide insurance against injuries. That’s why Vando and Rui are so important. And why we need a Turner or Lopez.
Ideally, the Lakers need a starting quality center and small forward so they can play big or small. Right now, I don’t see any starter quality 3&D wing available that we can acquire. But Brook Lopez is available and I’m sure would love to play for Darvin Ham on the Lakers.
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We all have our preferences on how we’d like to see the Lakers play and who we’d like to see on the roster. But we also need to realize who our coach is and his preferred style of play last season. Lotta small ball and 3 guard lineups trying to push pace for easy transition buckets. It got him to the conference finals so I’m not 100% sure he’s ready to abandon that. Jamal Murray (present) killed us in every game of that sweep and spending $20mill on Brook for each of the next 3 years ain’t gonna change that.
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That’s true but I think a lot of it had to do with who was available. Had Darvin had bigs like Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis, we would be playing two bigs. The only reason we didn’t start out that way was we didn’t have anybody good enough to start at center next to AD.
Ham knows how valuable Brook would be to this team and how it would transform the Lakers. And I think Brook would love playing for Darvin and finishing his career in purple and gold. There’s a reason the Lakers have coveted Myles Turner and Brook Lopez would be a great fit.
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Lol, the dude is an unrestricted free agent. Nobody going to steal, he’s going to make a choice. I will say that price point is waaaaaaay too high for a player approaching his decline. He had a bounce-back season, in a contract year, after back surgery so one would hope he as at least another year of this in him.
I think the more pertinent question is one of fit. On offense it seems
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Like he would hang out around the three point line a lot since he and AD both can’t clog the paint. This, I feel, would be a waste since Brook is a decent three point shooter but an elite rebounder and paint scorer. Then there’s Mongo’s astute point about Coach Ham’s penchant for playing 3 guards w/LeBron and AD. All of these will diminish his spacing impact on our offense.
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On defense is where I think he could have the most impact in that we’d have a solid paint defender that AD could augment as an elite free roamer. That’s a pretty obvious improvement over any current internal solution.
Is that worth $60 mil over three seasons? Maybe? Hard to know but I can say what I don’t like about it is how the overall age of the team creeps closer to 40 rather than sliding back towards 30. This team needs to get better with younger guys, a tough slog. Now, as I’m sure I’ve made known, I’m not a huge fan of Mo Bamba buuuut for the role it feels like our center will have (and the cheap and expiring deal he’s on, relatively speaking) I think I’d just as soon pick up his option and see what he can with a training camp. If he plays well you can have a nice choice at the deadline between a potential trade or keeping him for the season. If he plays great you can extend him with early Bird rights (maybe full…?) and if he’s awful he’s gone with no issue next summer.
Bottom line is I won’t be mad if we sign Brook but at $20 mil/per that may be a price point we regret sooner than later.
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With a 3 year 60m deal with a team option for year 3 this is worth making the trade, at least for Brook (Lakers are trying to resign Dennis, which will take the TPMLE, plus losing Lonnie, as we can’t afford him at 7.8m). The math works & we get at least 2 years of a really decent offensive & defensive center. If we have to Guarantee the 3rd year, but make this deal if we can. We will be a much better team (if Dennis goes maybe use TPMLE to get Jevon Carter.)
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Hey, everybody, welcome Brian Stoner to the blog. Brian is a die hard Lakers fan whom I met on Twitter and who always has great smart takes on everything purple and gold. He’s also a CPA but we’ll forgive that because of the great last name.
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Welcome Brian!
Technically not a trade since Brook is an URFA.
If the deal comes with a team (and even player) option for the non-LeBron years that makes it slightly more palatable.
Not sure Brook could “stop” jokic but having Brook and AD would make that a tougher series for Denver. If there’s a bail out for any non-LeBron years that makes a little more sense.
Still, at 35 years of age, we’re likely going to get less and less out of Brook with each year on that deal starting in year 1.
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I am really starting to feel this deal can work, but the snag is DLO at 22m(?) and not having enough to sign Dennis, which the Lakers want to do. We can trade for Brook by himself with the Bucks for Beasley & Bamba (the numbers work) but don’t want to give up draft capital for this (maybe a second down the road.) We can stay under the 2nd Apron to the point where we can use the TPMLE & then decide whether we want Dennis or Javon Carter at 5m. We stay under 2nd Tax Apron & get us a better team than before, but will lose Lonnie & Shaq Harrison (oh well, Lonnie was too expensive for us anyway at 7.8m.)
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Hey, Brian, great to see you joining the blog. It’s going to be fascinating seeing if Pelinka can outdo his trade deadline heroics. If we bring back Reaves, Hachimura, Russell, and Walker, it’s going to be hard to add a player like Lopez.
May come down to whether the Lakers are willing to pay luxury taxes. And whether they’re willing to start Austin Reaves at point guard rather than an experienced point guard like Russell or Schroder. We may wee Bucks re-sign Brook today or tomorrow. If not, then we may have a chance.
Just not sure of what Pelinka defines as ‘the margins.’ Does that include anybody who isn’t a superstar or are we talking about 11-14 players? I have a hunch this is going to be one of the wildest free agency periods in NBA history.
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Hi, Tom. Please welcome Brian Stoner to the blog for me. I think the tread ran out of reply options. Also, it was great to see Humanomaly on the blog yesterday.
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If the rumor mill is to be trusted (it’s not) Brook is leaning towards re-upping in Milwaukee.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
While the Lakers couldn’t pull off a draft day trade to upgrade their roster, Jesse and Joey Buss and their scouting department may have found exactly what they needed in undrafted gems Colin Castleton and D’moi Hodge.
At 23 and 24-years old with five years of college basketball, Castleton and Hodge give the Lakers a gifted young center who can rebound and protect the rim and a volume 3-point shooter who’s an elite perimeter defender. Castleton’s size and rim protection and Hodge’s volume 3-point shooting and perimeter defense are exactly what the Lakers desperately needed but didn’t get from backup center Mo Bamba or shooting guard Malik Beasley.
The Lakers went into draft day hoping to leverage the #17 pick in the first round and Malik Beasley’s and Mo Bamba’s expiring contracts to upgrade their starting lineup “to put a championship-level product on the court.” While the hoped for trade never happened, Jesse and Joey were able to find a young undrafted ready-to-play rim protector to backup Anthony Davis and volume 3-point shooter and elite defender to backup Austin Reaves.
So where does that leave the Lakers as they get ready for free agency? Hood-Schifino and Lewis are now trading chips, Lakers are still focused on Turner and Hield, and Castleton and Hodge could break into rotation.
Hood-Schifino and Lewis Are Now Trading Chips
While the Lakers could end up keeping Jalen Hood-Schifino and Maxwell Lewis, there’s a good chance one or both of them will be packaged along with Malik Beasley’s and Mo Bamba’s expiring contracts in a mega trade.
There’s some sentiment that the Lakers were trying to have their cake and eat it too by spending their 17th and 40th pick in the draft on two talented young players who are great for the future but not any help for the present. The truth is the Lakers simply picked players who not only fit their needs but were solid values they could flip. Hood-Schifino at #17 should have been a lottery pick and Lewis at #40 should have been a first round pick.
As Rob Pelinka publicly announced, the Lakers’ goal this offseason is to upgrade the team’s roster to be championship caliber. All that’s changed is the Lakers will now have two additional young players as trading chips. They can still offer either their 2029 or after June 30th their 2030 first round draft pick. Their most likely trade partners and targets are still the Pacers’ Turner and Hield and the Nets’ Royce O’Neale and Dorian Finney-Smith.
While the Lakers were disappointed not to be able to find an acceptable draft day trade to upgrade their roster, they’re still committed to trading Beasley and Bamba along with newly drafted Hood-Schifino and Lewis.
Lakers Still Focused On Turner And Hield
The Los Angeles Lakers desperately need greater positional size and better 3-point shooting to transform themselves from a conference finals finisher to a legitimate contender to win the franchise’s 18th NBA championship.
That’s why it’s not a coincidence that the Lakers traded for Mo Bamba and Malik Beasley, signed Colin Castleton and D’moi Hodge as two-way players, or could be seeking to trade for the Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. Lack of front court size and efficient 3-point shooting were why the Lakers championship run failed when they ran into the Denver Nuggets. Trading for the Pacers’ Myles Turner and Buddy Hield is the logical solution.
Before the start of training camp, the Lakers backed out of a proposed Turner and Hield trade at the last minute because they were uncertain whether the trade would make them a legitimate championship contender. After the major upgrades Pelinka engineered before the trade deadline, there’s no question that adding Turner and Hield today would likely make the Lakers the preseason favorites to win their 18th NBA championship.
The Lakers goal this week and next should be to trade Mo Bamba, Malik Beasley, Jalen Hood-Schifino, Max Lewis, and their 2029 top-5 protected first round pick to the Indiana Pacers for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield.
Castleton and Hodge Could Break Into Rotation
While they’ll start out as undrafted two-way players, Colin Castleton and D’moi Hodge will both have an opportunity to follow Austin Reaves path and earn rotation minutes and convert two-ways to standard contracts.
Colin Castleton is an undrafted 24-year old, 6′ 11″, 240 lb center with a 7′ 3″ wingspan from the University of Florida who has five years of college basketball experience and looks ready to contribute as a backup center. Colin is has a diverse skill set for a center. An elite defender, he averaged 3.0 blocks and 0.9 steals per game. He has a great handle, can go coast-to-coast with rebounds, and averaged 2.7 assists per game as a playmaker.
Like Malik Beasley and Buddy Hield, D’moi Hodge is a high volume, high percentage 3-point shooter who shot 40.1% on 7.0 3PA per game last season. What sets Hodge apart is he is also an elite perimeter defender. Last season, D’moi averaged 2.6 steals and 0.5 blocks per game. The problem the Lakers always face when they get elite shooters is whether they can play good enough defense to stay on the floor. D’moi Hodge can.
While Castleton and Hodge are older and have less upside than Hood-Schifino and Lewis, they both also have more mature games and should be ready to make a positive contribute as a rotation player this coming season.
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Hood-Schifino and Lewis Are Now Trading Chips
While the Lakers could end up keeping Hood-Schifino and Lewis, there’s a good chance one or both of them will be packaged along with Malik Beasley’s and Mo Bamba’s expiring contracts in a mega trade.https://t.co/uHw6xq5h39 pic.twitter.com/0xJjC6Plpu
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 24, 2023
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Lakers Still Focused On Turner And Hield
The Lakers desperately need greater positional size and better 3-point shooting to transform themselves from a conference finals finisher to a legitimate contender to win the franchise’s 18th NBA championship.https://t.co/uHw6xq5h39 pic.twitter.com/WqbmFVWm6n
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 24, 2023
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None of those kids will crack the rotation anytime soon, if ever. Turner and Hield aren’t coming and will probably stink it up being 4th or worse options.
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If we end up not making a trade, Colin Castleton will end up getting converted to a standard contract and become our backup center.
Same could happen with Hodge, as he’s the first 3-point shooter we’ve gotten who is also an elite perimeter defender.
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College superstars end up being nobodies in the league. Not getting my hopes up over undrafted guys or 2nd rounders.
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Castleton and Hodge Could Break Into Rotation
While they’ll start out as undrafted two-way players, Castleton and Hodge will both have an opportunity to follow Austin Reaves path and earn rotation minutes and convert two-ways to standard contracts.https://t.co/uHw6xq5h39 pic.twitter.com/dtABoAfbWX
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 24, 2023
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The league gave every team a third Two-way player this season because teams are using two-ways to augment their roster so they can load manage more during the regular season.
Note that both of our two-ways are older guys with 5 years of college basketball who are far more ready to contribute than the 20-year olds we just drafted in the first two rounds.
The other benefit is undrafted players only cost $1M each rather than the $2M each for veterans. For top heavy salary teams like the Lakers, having three or four undrafted players can save $3-4M.
Finally, look at how Miami has found gems that make contributions with undrafted players. This draft was very strong and the quality extended into players not drafted. We may have some gems.
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I’m not sure if the Lakers are focused on Turner and Buddy but according to the Pacer beat writers they are interested in Kuminga from the Warriors and Tobias Harris of the 76ers. Both big forwards. They are guard heavy and just drafted another in Ben Sheppard. Your trade sends 3 more guards to them. If the Lakers were thinking Pacers they should have drafted Cam Whitmore that fills the Pacers need for big forwards. The Pacers have repeatedly said they want to compete while building. Your trade doesn’t do that.
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You could be right, Michael, but the trade was never about Beasley and Bamba. They were always just filler, which could allow a team to open up a lot of cap space next summer right before the second hard cap hits.
I think the Lakers took what they thought were the best fits and most tradable players in the draft. Chances are good both new draftees might be moved in a big trade. Might take multiple teams but there were teams who wanted them.
I do think the Lakers want to get bigger and would like to get Turner and I think they still covet Buddy. The question is will they pay the price to bring them both in.
Ideally, they need to get a legitimate 6′ 8″ 3&D wing who can start at small forward when we go small AND a stretch five center who can protect the rim when we go big.
If we don’t trade for Turner and Hield, I think we use the money to bring back Dlo and go for Naz Reid with the NT MLE.
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Buddy is already an expiring contract so they don’t gain much there. And the Lakers willing to pay the price is irrelevant because it’s not a good deal for the Pacers. They want to win and they are not getting much of a return on Turner. If they were to move him, they could get more for him.
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I just thought of something. The new NBA year doesn’t start until July first. The Pacers front loaded Turners contract with 35 mil deal. Probably in anticipation of a Ayton trade. Anyway his salary drops to 20 mil July first. But technically I believe we would need to send 30+ mil in a trade for him until the new year starts.
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I think you’re right but the logical solution would be to just agree to the trade and then execute it when the new year starts.
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They won’t trade Turner until the deadline, if then.
My sole reason for not trying too hard to trade Malik and Mo and suggesting we keep them for now is that they will have a lot more value come the deadline even if their on-court play doesn’t improve. Simply because their deals expire. That may even have worth to the Lakers, themselves, if injury strikes.
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LakerTom wrote a new post
The formula for the Lakers winning their 18th NBA title next season is to add Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to a core of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves, Rui Hachimura, Lonnie Walker, and Max Christie.
The Lakers almost traded Russell Westbrook for Turner and Hield before the start of training camp last season but ultimately decided to wait until the trade deadline, which in the end looks like it was the right decision. Having made it to the conference finals, the Lakers still need more size and better shooting and defense to truly compete for an NBA championship. Ironically, what they need right now is Myles Turner and Buddy Hield.
Ultimately, the Lakers decided not to trade for Turner and Hield last summer because they did not believe adding them to the roster the team had at that point in time would have made them a championship team. Obviously, Pelinka’s trade deadline makeover changed the answer to that question. Adding Myles Turner and Buddy Hield to the conference finals team would make the Lakers favorites to win their 18th championship.
Let’s look at what a Lakers’ trade for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield might look like, why the Lakers and the Pacers would make the trade, and what the Lakers’ depth chart and salary cap would look like after the trade.
The Turner and Hield Trade
The Lakers trade Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Jarred Vanderbilt, #17 pick in the 2023 NBA draft, and team’s unprotected first round pick in the 2029 draft for Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Indiana’s #29 pick in this draft.
The Pacers have the #7, #26, #29, #32, and #55 picks in this draft, which is more picks than they have roster spots. Their goal is to combine their #7 pick and the Lakers #17 pick to move up into the top-5 in the current draft. Because they have more picks than they’re able to use, the Pacers are willing to give the Lakers their #29 pick, which they originally received from Boston. The Lakers give up two high first rounders for one low one.
One interesting aspect of the trade is the two teams are swapping stretch centers and 3-point shooting guards. In Bamba and Beasley, the Pacers essentially receive poor man’s versions of Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. Bamba and Beasley could slide right into the rotation spots occupied by Turner and Hield. Since both are on reasonable contracts, the Pacers could also flip them before the trade deadline for younger players or picks.
While Beasley and Bamba have value as players and trading chips, it’s Jarred Vanderbilt and the Lakers’ #17 pick in this draft and their 2029 first round pick unprotected that make the trade a big win for the Pacers.
Why the Lakers Make the Trade
While trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield last summer might not have made the Lakers a championship team, adding the modern two-way center and elite 3-point shooter now could make L.A. the title favorites.
Despite successfully making it to the conference finals, the Lakers need more size and better shooting and defense to be a legitimate championship contender. That’s exactly where Myles Turner and Buddy Hield come in. Turner gives the Lakers an elite modern two-way center to anchor the defense, allowing Anthony Davis to split his minutes between the 4 and 5 and giving the Lakers solid positional size advantage in the front court.
27-year old Myles Turner had a career last season, averaging 18.0 points, 7.5 rebounds, 1.4 assists, 2.3 blocks, and 0.6 steals in 29.4 minutes per game while shooting 54.8%/37.3%/78.3% on 11.8/4.0/4.5 shot attempts per game.
30-year old Buddy Hield also enjoyed an excellent last season, averaging 16.8 points, 5.0 rebounds, and 2.8 assists in 31.0 minutes per game while shooting 45.8/42.5/82.2% on 13.0/8.5/1.6 shot attempts per game.Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield dramatically improves the Lakers’ size, shooting, and defense and transforms last season’s conference finals team into a legitimate contender to win the NBA championship.
Why the Pacers Make the Trade
It looks as if the Indiana Pacers’ refusal last summer to lower their price of two first round draft picks for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield could end up paying off big this summer as the Lakers could revisit an Indiana trade.
Despite wanting to make the playoffs, the Indiana Pacers should move on from 27-year old Myles Turner and 30-year old Buddy Hield and rebuild around 23-year old Tyrese Haliburton and 20-year old Bennedict Mathurin. The Pacers want to upgrade their roster this summer with a small or power forward with star upside and are said to be interested in packaging their #7 pick with other assets to move up and draft a specific player in the top-5.
Besides finally landing the Lakers’ 2029 unprotected first round pick they coveted last year, the Pacers could package their #7 pick with the Lakers’ #17 pick to move up for whatever player they’re targeting in the top-5. Finally, receiving a talented young defensive wing like Jarred Vanderbilt and two tradable players on expiring contracts whom they can flip at the trade deadline make this trade a big winner for the Indiana Pacers.
The Pacers rebuilding efforts will get a big boost by landing the Lakers #17 pick in this month’s draft, L.A.’s unprotected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young, defensive wing in 24-year old Jarred Vanderbilt.
Lakers Roster After the Trade
The Lakers’ starting lineup after the Pacers trade includes Austin Reaves, Buddy Hield, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Myles Turner with backups of Chris Paul, Max Christie, Lonnie Walker, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji.
Adding Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Chris Paul to the conference finals core of LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves, Max Christie, Rui Hachimura, and Lonnie Walker gives the Lakers an elite 9-man rotation. That rotation would enable the Lakers to have an elite rim protector on the court for 48 minutes of every game. They would be able to go jumbo-big with Turner and Davis or small-ball-on-steroids with Davis and James.
From a long-term perspective, adding two major pieces who are 27 and 30-years old and share the same championship window as Anthony Davis just continues the Lakers’ savvy efforts to become younger and more athletic.
The Lakers are betting on two more years of LeBron James as a superstar and are smartly preparing themselves to be ready to use the $50 million in cap space that will open up when James retires for another superstar.Adding Myles Turner, Buddy Hield, and Chris Paul and two draft picks to the core six players from the Lakers’ conference finals team should give the Lakers the size, shooting, and defense to win their 18th NBA championship.
Lakers Salary Cap After the Trade
While they’ll need to set limits to what they’ll pay free agents like Reaves, Hachimura, Walker, the Lakers’ total salaries will be under the $169 million hard cap without actually triggering any of the actions to force a hard cap.
Since the Lakers have not used their NT MLE or BAE or received a player via a sign-and-trade, they are not required to stay under the hard cap. They could easily decide to make moves, add payroll, and become a taxpayer. They could also hard cap themselves at $169 million by receiving a player via a sign-and-trade or deciding to use the $12.2 million NT MLE (Non-Taxpayer Mid Level Exception) or $4.4 million BAE (Bi-Annual Exception).
Pelinka and the Lakers front office have done a great job putting together an impressive portfolio of valuable players on tradable contracts that give them extensive ability to pounce on any opportunities that might come up. Rob should have won Executive of the Year for the masterful job he did making over the Lakers roster at the trade deadline. If he can pull off this Turner and Hield trade, he’ll finally be rewarded with next year’s award.
The bottom line is the Lakers would be in a very advantageous salary cap situation after trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. The team would be championship favorites with a talented roster full of tradable assets.
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The Turner and Hield Trade
While Beasley and Bamba have value as players and trading chips, it’s Jarred Vanderbilt and the Lakers’ #17 pick in this draft and their 2029 first round pick unprotected that make the trade a big win for the Pacers.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/uCtjBzjE30
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Why the Lakers Make the Trade
Trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield dramatically improves the Lakers’ size, shooting, and defense and transforms last season’s conference finals team into a legitimate contender to win the NBA championship.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/YSV59cB9l2
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Why the Pacers Make the Trade
The Pacers rebuilding efforts will get a big boost by landing the Lakers #17 pick in this month’s draft, L.A.’s unprotected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young, defensive wing in 24-year old Jarred Vanderbilt.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/6A5kzN1jp2
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Lakers Roster After the Trade
The Lakers’ starting lineup after the Pacers trade includes Austin Reaves, Buddy Hield, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Myles Turner with backups of Chris Paul, Max Christie, Lonnie Walker, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/uHDsyabhhK
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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Lakers Salary Cap After the Trade
The bottom line is the Lakers would be in a very advantageous salary cap situation after trading for Myles Turner and Buddy Hield. The team would be championship favorites with a talented roster full of tradable assets.https://t.co/W8b8aICrJA pic.twitter.com/2W2wizwAJ8
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 14, 2023
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That backcourt is getting smoked. Our frontcourt held its own against The Joker but Jamal cooked us every single night. Please..no more one dimensional 3pt “specialists”.
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Per the Pacers beat writers the Pacer would like to move up a couple of spots in the draft to draft a PF to pair with Turner. There is no current evidence that they are shopping Turner, although I would not be surprised if they approached the Suns for a Turner for Ayton deal, considering they gave Ayton an offer sheet last year.
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The Turner/Ayton trade could happen. I do think the Lakers and Pacers are keeping touch regarding the pick situation, which is good as it could easily morph into a trade for Turner and/or Hield from a simple pick swap. Word is Pacers have eyes on somebody in the top-5.
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They like Jarace Walker, a strong PF that can shoot. He could fall to 7 but the Pistons might be interested at 5. Probably want to get to 4 unless the Pistons are willing to trade out of 5.
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Hard to see the Pacers trading up that high w/our pick. There isn’t likely to be a world beater available bay 17, although it always has to be shown on the court and not on a highlight reel. The main thing is I just don’t see a huge impetus for the Pacers to make this trade now.
They’re well under the cap and could absorb any number of what will likely be better than ours players from any number of teams. That’s not to say those players will be moved…yet. It’s to say that in order to make that deal happen this summer the Lakers are likely to have to overpay. So that takes into bad deal territory. Everyone seems to love to tell the Pacers their business. Yet every season they do the exact same thing: hold the line and hope it breaks in their favor. Small markets can afford to be patient like this, they’re working the draft and they’ll work the trade market to keep a blend of young an vet. Buddy Heild will be a trade deadline boon for both the Pacers (under the cap as-is w/a lot of incoming youth) and the contender that needs him. They’ll get better than our 2029 at the deadline unless he’s hurt and even then his deal still comes off their books.
If there’s a deal out there where Indy can move up by packaging our pick this season…maybe? Still feels like a long shot.
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Yessir. I can just see there could be a lot more factors than “fits pretty well on the Lakers” and “we have a draft pick 6 years out”. Indy won’t make a preseason knee jerk trade, they have time and assets, already.
It’s why I floated in both our shows that I can easily envision Rob keeping one or both of Malik and Mo, they’ll be solid assets to move at the deadline when the season’s picture is far more clear.
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The Lakers need a new point guard to replace broken D’Angelo Russell and the Hawks need to trade Dejounte Murray to fix their backcourt chemistry and avoid risk of losing him for nothing as a free agent after next season.
While the Lakers should be proud of their post-trade deadline run to the Western Conference Finals, they still face major challenges this offseason. At the heart of those problems is polarizing point guard D’Angelo Russell. There’s no question the Lakers would not have made it to the conference finals without the solid play of D’Angelo Russell. But it’s also obvious from media reports that the Lakers appear to prefer to move on from Russell.
The problem of moving on from Russell is three-fold. First, he’s a free agent who’s no longer worth what he was before the conference finals. Second, any team signing-and-trading for him would be hard capped. Third, you need to find a replacement if you decide to trade him or let him walk in free agency and the feasible options that fit on and off the court are limited, which is why keeping Russell keeps popping up as an option.
Getting the Mavs to agree to sign-and-trade Kyrie to the Lakers or agreeing to to pay VanVleet $30 million per year seem like impossible pipe dreams and those two may be the only available point guards better than Russell. Yet stories about the poor fit between Young and Murray, Dejounte’s decision to decline any extension, and the Hawks’ need to reduce payroll could be hints that the Lakers and Rich Paul are working on a solution.
The Lakers’ top priority is a point guard to take the primary scoring and playmaking workload off of LeBron James and be the team’s aggressive point-of-attack defender with size and length to harass opposing points. Dejounte Murray has the size at 6′ 5″ and length at 6′ 10″ to be the attack dog Darvin Ham and Anthony Davis need to make the Lakers’ defense the best in the league. Murray could ultimately be the Lakers’ future third star.
Let’s look at the details of the proposed trade, why the Lakers should make the trade, why the Hawks should make the trade, and whether the Lakers’ roster and depth chart after the trade are a championship caliber team.
Proposed Lakers-Hawks Trade
In proposed trade, the Los Angeles Lakers send Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, #17 pick in 2023 NBA draft, and top-5 protected 2029 first round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.
The trade brings the Lakers an elite young two-way starting point guard in Dejounte Murray to replace D’Angelo Russell, who struggled mightily in the conference finals and whose contract would now just be allowed to expire. The Lakers would also receive a young 3&D wing in Saddiq Bey, who would help fill a void in small forwards to backup LeBron James and help defend the bigger wing scorers that so many of the better teams in the West have.
Dejounte Murray is a 24-year old 6′ 5″ point guard with a 6′ 10″ wingspan who averaged 20.5/5.3/6.1 with 1.5 steals while shooting 46.4/34.4/83.2% in 36.4 mpg while playing shooting guard 70% of his minutes with Hawks. Playing 70% of his time at point guard with the Spurs the year before, Murray averaged 21.1/8.3/9.2 with 2.0 steals while shooting 46.2/32.7/79.4% in 34.8 mpg. That’s the Dejounte Murray the Lakers are going all-in on.
The Hawks get two vets on expiring contracts they can easily flip at the deadline, the Lakers #17 pick this year’s draft, the Lakers’ top-5 protected 2029 first round draft pick, and a promising young guard in Max Christie. Christie is poised to become a regular part of the Lakers’ rotation next season and was essentially untouchable at last year’s trade deadline. He’s clearly worth a solid first round draft pick, which is why he is included.
The beauty of the trade is it’s simplicity. For the Lakers, they upgrade the starting point guard position with a younger, better player who’s the elite point-of-attack defender with size they desperately need to be contenders. Meanwhile, the Hawks get a mulligan for the failed Dejounte Murray trade instead of overreacting and looking to trade franchise face Trae Young in the wake of the disappointing season and the firing of their head coach.
The Dejounte Murray trade is a win-win trade that gives both the Lakers and Hawks a clear and easy way to fix broken backcourts without making complicated risky moves that could backfire and stall their progress.
Why Lakers Make The Trade
The Lakers’ top offseason priority has now become to replace D’Angelo Russell with a better starting point guard who can take over much of the primary scoring and playmaking responsibilities from LeBron James.
While there’s been online chatter about trading for Hawks’ point guard Trae Young, who like LeBron James is a Klutch Sports Group client, the better fitting target is Trae Young’s backcourt partner Dejounte Murray. While Murray has struggled playing shooting guard while Young plays point guard, his size and skillset as a legitimate 3&D player are perfect fits to play alongside Austin Reaves in the Lakers’ backcourt of the future.
That Murray is also a Klutch Sports Group client should only make the trade more feasible. Rich Paul has already let the Hawks know that Murray is not willing to sign the $25.4 million extension for which he is eligible. Instead, the 24-year old Murray plans to exercise his right to become an unrestricted free agent after the next season, hopefully looking for more than $30 million per season. Hence his availability on the trade market.
Knowing the Hawks gave up three first round picks and a pick swap to get Murray from the Spurs, the Lakers have to make sure their offer gives the Hawks enough incentive to make the trade. That’s where things get tough. The Lakers have to not only give up the #17 pick in this draft and their 2029 first round pick with top-5 protection but also promising young guard Max Christie, who looks like a sure fire bet to be part of next year’s rotation.
Trading for Murray would not only be a difference-maker that could make the Lakers early favorites to win their 18th NBA championship but also a move that raises the team’s ceiling and smooth its post-LeBron transition. Should James decide to retire when his extension ends in two years, the Lakers have been working hard to make sure the team he leaves behind will be the premiere landing spot in the league for top-10 superstars.
The opportunity to trade for a dynamic, young two-way star like Dejounte Murray who has all the tools and talent to become the franchise’s point guard of the future is one the Los Angeles Lakers cannot allow to pass by.
Why Hawks Make The Trade
The Atlanta Hawks find themselves in difficult position as their move last summer to pair Spurs guard Dejounte Murray with their franchise point guard Trae Young now looks like a major on-court and off-court disaster.
Theoretically, the pairing of Young and Murray was supposed to provide the Hawks with a dynamic backcourt that could both score and defend. The problem is Trae and Dejounte simply do not work well together on-court. When they’re both on the court, the Hawks are only plus 1.6 points per game. When Young is on-court alone, the Hawks are plus 3.8 points but when Murray is on-court alone, Atlanta’s a minus 6.0 points per game.
The Hawks gave up three first round draft picks and a pick swap to trade for Murray last summer, expecting the investment to pay off by the team going further than a 41–41 record, 8th place finish, and first round exit. Now with the new CBA changing the rules and a new head coach in Quin Snyder taking over, the Hawks need to reduce their payroll to better match their prospects, which means probably means trading Dejounte Murray.
A Klutch Sports Group client, Dejounte Murray will be in the last year of his contract and will be looking for a significant raise in excess of $30 million per year summer after next when he becomes an unrestricted free agent. The word is Murray is not willing to sign extension with the Hawks, which means there’s a very strong possibility Atlanta will be looking to move him this summer to avoid the risk of losing him for nothing to free agency.
The Lakers’ offer of Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, the #17 pick in this draft, and their top-5 protected 2029 first round pick won’t recover what they paid to trade for Murray but it will make them almost whole. Christie and the two picks are obviously the key assets that help the Hawks recover most of what they paid for Murray in the trade with the Spurs. Christie could conceivably start and step right into Murray’s minutes.
As difficult as it is to admit a mistake, the Hawks would be wise to realize trading for a point guard like Dejounte Murray to paid with a point guard like Trae Young was a mistake. Lakers trade gives them a chance to recover.
Lakers’ 18th Championship Roster
There’s a consensus the Lakers are likely to hard cap themselves for the coming season to avoid luxury taxes and take advantages of exceptions that would enable them to sign free agents they could not sign as a taxpayer.
The above depth chart assumes the Lakers re-sign Austin Reaves and Rui Hachimura with Bird rights and Lonnie Walker IV with Early Bird rights to join returning players LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Jarred Vanderbilt. The Lakers sign Brook Lopez with NT MLE, two veteran minimum salary players, Chris Paul from the buyout market, and James Nnaji via the #47 pick in the draft. Finally, they trade for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey
That leaves the Lakers with 13 active players signed and 2 open roster spots, one for a veteran on a minimum salary and one for the $4.4 million BiAnnual Exception the Lakers can use sign a player later in the season. Critically, the Lakers were able to assemble this roster while staying under the $169 million hard cap so they could use the NT MLE and BAE. They will also be able to receive a player via a sign-and-trade at the trade deadline.
The Lakers’ starting lineup of Dejounte Murray, Austin Reaves, LeBron James, Anthony Davis, and Brook Lopez should be a dramatic upgrade. The added talent and size should unleash LeBron James and Anthony Davis. The backups are also significantly improved with a fivesome of Chris Paul Lonnie Walker, Saddiq Bey, Rui Hachimura, and James Nnaji, an 18-year old center whom the Lakers choose with the #47 pick in this year’s draft.
Besides filling and upgrading roster holes, the Lakers continue to get younger and more talented while bringing back everybody from the core of their conference finals team. The additions of Murray and Bey matter. They not only upgrade the Lakers’ starting lineup and rotation but also give Rob Pelinka an even more impressive portfolio of valuable and tradeable contracts to use to make midseason adjustments at the trade deadline.
The trade for Dejounte Murray would be the kind of unique, out-of-the-box solutions that not only completely solve the Lakers’ point guard problems but also allow them to bring back and significantly upgrade their core.
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Proposed Lakers-Hawks Trade
In proposed trade, the Los Angeles Lakers send Malik Beasley, Mo Bamba, Max Christie, #17 pick in 2023 NBA draft, and top-5 protected 2029 first round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Saddiq Bey.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/d197MHie43
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Why Lakers Make The Trade
The Lakers’ top offseason priority has now become to replace D’Angelo Russell with a better starting point guard who can take over much of the primary scoring and playmaking responsibilities from LeBron James.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/2lcuUyClY8
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Why Hawks Make The Trade
As difficult as it is to admit a mistake, the Hawks would be wise to realize trading for a point guard like Dejounte Murray to paid with a point guard like Trae Young was a mistake. Lakers trade gives them a chance to recover.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/ERvUra8ADC
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Lakers’ 18th Championship Roster
Trading for Murray would not only be a difference-maker that could make the Lakers early favorites to win their 18th NBA championship but also a move that raises the team’s ceiling and smooth its post-LeBron transition.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/fYjJQaG7Ie
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 11, 2023
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Wow, what a great piece of article! This feels almost like the ultimate dream. Great job, Tom.
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Thanks, Buba. I’m tired of small guards who can’t defend. Dejounte is 6′ 5″ with a 6′ 10″ wingspan and quick feet. He would be a huge upgrade over D’Angelo Russell and worth Christie and the two picks imo.
It would be a great solution to our point guard problem. Dejounte averaged 21 points, 8 rebounds, 9 assists, and 2 steals in his last season as a point guard for the Spurs. Had 3.5/1 Assists/TO ratio.
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I also think this is Klutch having Dejounte refuse to sign extension so he can be UFA after this season. Hawks now can’t afford to pay him the $30M he will want in free agency. Opens door for Lakers.
There are other teams who could beat the Lakers with better offers but as the Lakers found with Russell, most teams are pretty set at point guard so the openings are as limited as the point guards.
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Hawks May Be Looking To Trade Dejounte Murray per Eric Pincushttps://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe pic.twitter.com/CcJGaJUeRG
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 12, 2023
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Klutch controls Dejounte Murray trades
While teams could offer more for Murray than Lakers, Klutch controls situation as no team will give up multiple picks for an expiring contract.
All Klutch has to say is Murray will only re-sign with Lakers.https://t.co/4qGk4KyhBe
— LakerTom (@LakerTom) June 12, 2023
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REPORT: Dejounte Murray could be available if the right deal is made, per @EricPincus pic.twitter.com/Crto4Kpsxv
— NBA Retweet (@RTNBA) June 11, 2023
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The Hawks don’t want to re-sign him because he will want over $30M and he won’t sign extension for $25M. Klutch can control the situation because he’s an expiring contract. No team’s going to give multiple draft picks for a player unless he commits to re-signing with them. Opens door for Lakers to get a great young two-way point guard for the future.
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I’m with it. Big, young PG who can defend. Not a great 3pt shooter so the usual cloud of disappoint won’t hang over him when he clangs a few. Hawks might be looking for a starter in return though. Also, there are some horror stories about Trey’s off court behavior floating around out there…wouldn’t surprise me if he’s the one who gets moved…for the right package.
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The biggest flaw in your trade Tom is Bey. Now I’m not sure what they could get for Murray in a trade. Perhaps 2 first round picks would be enticing. But they will not include Bey. They gave up a lot of draft picks for him at the trade deadline. He is a good young player that they coveted on a cheap deal. Beasley and Max would work money wise along with draft capital, maybe but I can say with confidence that Bey would not be part of the deal.
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I completely disagree, Michael. This trade is not about Bey nor would he be a deal breaker for either team.
This is a trade about Atlanta recouping what they can for Dejounte Murray.
It’s about the #15 and 2029 picks for Murray.
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Well you don’t give up that many picks to throw a guy in as sweetener. And when you consider that the Rockets are interested and they have the 4th and 20th pick to play with, plus some young players there is no way that the Hawks would take your deal giving up Bey to make it happen.
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You’re missing the point, Michael. The trade is picks for Murray. Any other players are just sweeteners to balance the trade for one team or the other.
Christie or Bey are not going to make or kill the trade. They’re just things to ask for or give up in negotiations. Same as second round picks.
You may be right about Bey but you act like you’re the Hawks GM. Bey is not untouchable imo.
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Everything about this is reasonable which, in and of itself, is astounding. I’m into it, although not sure we have the best shot at Brook but would be absolutely fine if he came here.
Not only would this be a great use of all three players who would theoretically be coming from LA (because it’s hard for me to see Max having as much impact has Reaves has had with Reaves still on the team) but it shores up two much needed areas. You could even swap out one or two of the players above and use D-Lo as a S&T candidate and not incur the hard cap if that appeals to both Atlanta and Russell and his agent.
Even crazier would be choosing to keep D-Lo AND making this deal and adding a lot of shooting and giving Ham his ultimate 3 guard line up to deploy ol. I kid on this one.
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I am not missing the point. The trade is typically Lakercentric. Nor am I saying that Bey is untouchable. But I’m the context of this trade it doesn’t make sense to throw in Bey. He is a young classic 3 and D player that shot 40% from 3 for them. The Hawks would not need to sweeten the deal to get the Lakers to bite if they could land Murray offering the draft picks and Beasley. The Lakers would jump on that.
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A couple of other problems. You have CP3 playing for 1.1 mi. The Vet minimum for a 10 year player is 3.1 mil. Also we do not have early bird rights on Lonnie. He only played a year.
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As you know, some of these issues are not easy to resolve.
What would be the minimum cap hit for Chris Paul if he were available?
Per Spotrac, George Hill is a 15-year vet like CP3. He would get a cap hit of $1,989,698. Per RealGM,however, the max a player with more than 10 years service can get is $3,778,748.
Assuming both sources are correct, the difference is what the league pays as part of each players salary. In other words, Hill gets $3.8M but the team is only pays and gets charged for $2.0M while the league pays $1.8M.
The $1.1M is just the charge per Spotrac for an empty roster spot to fill out to 12 players.
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You’re right, we have non-bird rights for Lonnie, not Early Bird. We can pay him up to 120% of his prior contract.
Thanks for the comments.
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The two-year veteran’s minimum. When a team signs any player with two or more years of experience to a one-year contract, the team only pays that player the minimum for a second-year player. The NBA reimburses the team for the rest, and the difference does not count against the salary cap.
This rule exists to minimize financial bias against older players. Most of the minimum-salary free agents you see sign this offseason will count for this figure. The projected two-year veteran’s minimum for the 2023-24 season is $1,989,698.
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Michael brings up a bunch of valid points, IMO. While not including Bey shouldn’t be a deal-breaker for LA I could see why it could be for the Hawks. Also, while they (and a few other teams) need to get under the second apron (theoretically) they will have until the trading deadline to do so.
Only certain aspects of the new CBA kick in this summer. This from Forbes:
“The new CBA introduces a second salary-cap apron set $17.5 million above the luxury-tax line, and it heavily punishes teams that cross that threshold. Beginning this summer, teams above the second apron will lose access to the taxpayer mid-level exception, and they’ll be limited to taking back no more than 110 percent of the salary that they send out in trades (as opposed to 125 percent in the current CBA), according to Yossi Gozlan of HoopsHype.”That’s not as bad as it gets the following summer when all the penalties for the 2nd apron come into effect. That’s why I don’t expect there to be quite the flurry of moves to get under the 2nd apron this summer but do expect for the trading deadline to be wacky as all get-out. A team like the Spurs, already vastly under the cap and not a free agent destination, might be in perfect position to add quality talent at a low cost since they’ll likely have ample cap room to absorb contracts without sending any out.
Still, losing the MLE and shrinking the difference in money going back and forth isn’t the fire that makes one burn up the team. I could see the Hawks seeing how this all works with a full season under Quinn (whom they seemed ecstatic to hire and with good reason) and give it until February to gel. The Lakers proved you can do some playoff damage with a mid-season roster overhaul if your two best players are on the same page, no matter what the record is.
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The Lakers are a team forever on, at a minimum, low heat. Even the dudes who wipe the sweat off the court are under a microscope when you’re a part of the Lakers organization. So the heat will only get hotter for this team as they come home after a fairly disastrous road trip. All […]
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The guys from the Lakers Fast Break return for some NBA Observation as they share thoughts on the recent big-money extensions for Miami coach Erik Spoelstra and the Clipper’s Kawhi Leonard. Does this mean the Lakers will be opening up their wallet a little more as well? Plus after Toronto Raptors coach Darko Rajakovic’s huge rant after the Lakers game because of the fourth-quarter free throw disparity, we ponder if Darvin Ham will ever show that kind of energy if he remains as the guys on the sidelines for LA. We’re back talking some big $$$, and wondering if the Lakers are ready to go on a spending spree? Find out our thoughts on the latest Lakers Fast Break podcast!
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